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   Old Thread  #44 17 Aug 2021 at 5.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think you're right there many rigs that are just different ways of achieving the same effect. Some use more bits than others. Whether they are better is very subjective.
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   Old Thread  #43 17 Aug 2021 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think we have all been guilty at some point in getting caught up in the latest rig fad. ( Maybe not Ken )..

Tried the slip D rig for a bit as I was finding my usual hair type rig I was using I was getting the hair wrapping round the hook quite a lot.. ( yes before you say it in know about PVA Tape and starch nuggets ). I'm lazy..

Thought I'd give the slip D a go. But ended up with the same problems. Maybe it was happening on the retriever but it dont exactly instill you with confidence does it..

Ended up going over to the stiffer loop on the multi rig. Problem solved


But the more and more I look at the rig. ( yes I know its quick change ) for how close the loop is to the shank of the hook. You might aswell have the mini swivel O ring bait screw or what ever you use sliding up the hook shank..
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   Old Thread  #42 11 Aug 2021 at 10.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes i have used something similar to what you describe for a few years now and have similar views to you about birds not pulling the d section down certainly not on my rig anyway
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   Old Thread  #41 11 Aug 2021 at 7.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think I first saw it published in 2005 in an issue of big carp - I used it then and caught a few but I always found it a bit of a pain in the arse to tie and went for a ring blowback instead as I wanted something to reset.

I have been using a hybrid of the multi-rig / slip d for over a year now and it's now my goto for all bottom bait fishing - the main reason being that I can change hooks nd hair lengths very very quickly as I got fed up of casting a new rig out and then having it come back with the point gone over on the first cast. the hook holds I have been getting are between some of the best I have ever had (I had 4 fish in a day where I needed forceps and I've not used forceps on a hookhold for years - in turn, I have lost a few and had some hookholds slightly outside of the mouth so I am putting this down to the feeding situation at the time.

with respect to the bird pickup comments - I have definitely found that bird pickups don't pull the d section down as other people have alluded too - the only time I have had that happen are when I've been done by fish - reeling in after rod knocks etc or when it has snagged on something on the bottom.

it is saving me a hell of a lot of time around rig tying and saving me $$$ on hooklength material too.
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   Old Thread  #40 11 Aug 2021 at 11.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Should have called it the "floppy D"
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   Old Thread  #39 11 Aug 2021 at 10.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You would have to ask martin clarke why he called it the slip d but maybe because unlike a stiff material d rig which stays in place the soft d allows more movement for the baits on ejection by moving away from the hook and can even slip past the eye of the hook.
You have also got to bear in mind how many years ago he named this rig
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   Old Thread  #38 11 Aug 2021 at 7.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You could tell that to the perfectly hooked ducks that have dived on the bait in the past few weeks.

You have many as I think it was Ken put it, Youtube rigs.
Snake rig, Scorpion rig, Slip D.

Now I don't faff around with rigs, I use what works for me, which is a standard D for pop-ups, occasionally a multi-rig.

The advantage of the multi rig is it can be very effective with bottom baits as well, and I seem to recall Martin Locke calls it his Kebab rig; 3 different baits on the hair (or spike).
This is actually either set to slip tight, or is tight in the first place.

Many rigs are reinventions, rehashed, and renamed, because the current generation of anglers want new fashion...😖😅😉
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   Old Thread  #37 11 Aug 2021 at 1.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I seem to remember a rig use by lockey which was the same many years ago. Someone is always re-inventing the wheel. A lot of rigs do the same job. You only really need 2 or 3 rigs to cover most situations.
Chilly would say you only need one.
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   Old Thread  #36 10 Aug 2021 at 11.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why is it called a Slip D rig then, surely thats just a D rig?
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   Old Thread  #35 10 Aug 2021 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you watch martin clarkes gardner video of the slip d it isn't a multi rig and the d doesn't slip down to the eye when a fish pulls the hooklink tight, his version is just like a stiff d rig knotless knotted but with braid and if he uses a big ring the bait and ring can pass back over the eye of the hook on ejection.

Both versions can be set up with similar properties although the true multi version offers easy change of the hook
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   Old Thread  #34 10 Aug 2021 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Load of ballcocks invented for the YouTube generation.

Don't let them **** with your head, guys!
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   Old Thread  #33 10 Aug 2021 at 6.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats what i thought. They were the exact same thing. Made sense they called it a slip D for that reason, because it slips. So why is it called a slip D?
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   Old Thread  #32 10 Aug 2021 at 3.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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. . .I always thought the 'slip' in the slip D was the key . . .ie. it slips / pulls taught to the eye of the hook when you get a take / have been done. IMO this is also called the Ultimate Rig (Mark Bryant) which is in effect, a combi rig with the braided section set up as a multi rig . . .

Confused . . . you should be! (or either that I am . . . )
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   Old Thread  #31 27 Jul 2021 at 5.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's clear what you are saying, but in my experience things aren't as clear cut as you make out.
And I use the multi because I find it gives better hookholds and seems to get me more bites
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   Old Thread  #30 27 Jul 2021 at 4.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Coming back on topic why do you use the multi instead of the slip d?
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   Old Thread  #29 27 Jul 2021 at 4.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair enough...

I dont disagree with anything you have just said but you have to lean on the side of averages. Look back at my original post and read it carefully, nowhere do I say that if a bird picks up the hook then it wouldn't cause the indication, I specifically say hookbait, I also specifically say when the fish picks up the hook... Is this not clear enough?

So coming back to the averages how often do you think a bird picks up the hook when going for the hookbait? 1/100? 1/500? Then the average of a fish/carp picking up the hook when going for the hook bait? 1/5? 1/10? (that's probably conservative!) See the difference? The rig is designed to catch fish not birdlife

Then there is the assumption that your 1) fishing a lake with birdlife and 2) fishing in a depth where birdlife can see/reach your hook bait...
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   Old Thread  #28 27 Jul 2021 at 4.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't need to try and come back, I've been using the multi for long enough to know how it works. There is no 100,% way of knowing what causes a pickup as birds can get the hook too, just as fish can miss the hook .
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   Old Thread  #27 27 Jul 2021 at 4.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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See post #20

A bird will purely go for the hookbait resulting in the hook not being touched and not sliding along the loop. Fish feed by sucking their food + debri and *fingers crossed* our hooks it is only when the hook has pressure applied from the weight that the hook slips along the loop giving the indication.

Try tying one and test 1) when you pull the hookbait and 2) when you pull the hook and see how the indication works and then come back
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   Old Thread  #26 27 Jul 2021 at 3.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But no way of differentiating between pick ups from birds or fish like you claimed earlier then?
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   Old Thread  #25 26 Jul 2021 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Great idea! Never thought of that
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   Old Thread  #24 26 Jul 2021 at 7.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its an indicator when comparing the combi rig to the slip d which this post is about? The slip d has no indication at all... No rig or lead setup will give you an indication if the hook doesn't take hold for a split second
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   Old Thread  #23 26 Jul 2021 at 4.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's assuming the hook has taken hold in the fishes mouth. Which obviously doesn't happen all the time , so it's not really an indicator
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   Old Thread  #22 26 Jul 2021 at 4.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can use a stringer on the d instead of the hook 👍
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   Old Thread  #21 26 Jul 2021 at 4.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or tie up a small mesh bag with your hook bait in it, and then attatch the hookbait afterwards.
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   Old Thread  #20 26 Jul 2021 at 3.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The hook has to have pressure to move the loop if only the bait is pulled it will not pull the loop through.

Multi inside the pva bag - negates the con above
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   Old Thread  #19 26 Jul 2021 at 1.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why won't a bird move the loop but a fish will? Makes no sense
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   Old Thread  #18 26 Jul 2021 at 1.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I personally use the combi multi rig (the same one as Daryl Peck) The rigs mechanics are the same, however the multi rig has a few pros + cons when compared to the slip d

Pros
- Allows the hook to be changed which is a massive edge when using sharpened hooks. This also saves money/time not having to tie new rigs everytime a hook is burred/blunt
- Can tell if a fish has picked up your hook if the hook has been pulled up to bait/d section (If a bird picks up the hookbait this wont happen)
- Able to change the hookbait attachment (micro swivel, ring, bait screw etc.) without tieing a new rig

The cons are the result of the main pro

- Hook can slide up to the bait on an abandoned take resulting in the rig mechanics being completely messed up
- Unable to put a pva bag/stringer on the hook due to the above happening.
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   Old Thread  #17 25 Jul 2021 at 2.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I prefer the slip D, you can attach mesh bags/ stringer without fear of the D slipping.
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   Old Thread  #16 25 Jul 2021 at 11.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Thanks for explaining how they differ in construction but how do they differ in performance?

Can anyone explain why I would be better off using a slip d rather than a multi rig with a wafter. Otherwise Iíll just stick to the multi rig
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   Old Thread  #15 25 Jul 2021 at 7.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ive no interest in rigs and who ties what how. I briefly googled it and came up with this

https://www.carpology.net/article/rigs/the-extended-slip-d-rig/
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   Old Thread  #14 25 Jul 2021 at 7.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where have i claimed to be an expert

Ive never heard of a Slip D rig. I couldn't tell you how to tie a ronnie rig or a Turbo rig or whetever it is this week. Id bet youll find an awful lot of other people on here are the same. No interest in all these rigs and who claims to have invented them.
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   Old Thread  #13 25 Jul 2021 at 1.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Google Martin Clarke slip d rig and watch him tie it on u tube. It's not a multi rig.
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   Old Thread  #12 25 Jul 2021 at 0.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Martin Clarke invent the Slip D rig.

Mike Kavanagh invented the Multi Rig.

But, donít take my word for it. I say this because, apparently, Iím a former oompah loompah that worked in a Japanese (based in the U.K.) monofilament factory.

Anyway, the rigs look very similar, but are tied in completely different ways. The slip d, as tied by Martin Clarke, is tied using a knotless knot, with the hair, or tag section folded back on itself and wrapped with the turns that make up the knotless knot.

The multi rig, which can be used in a multitude of ways, hence the name, is tied with a loop knot, such as a figure 8, or non slip loop.

Both knots can be seen tied on YouTubeÖ google is your friend.

Apologies for the sarcasm
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   Old Thread  #11 25 Jul 2021 at 0.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry to chime in, but if you were the expert you claim to be, youíd know the difference between the Slip D rig and the Multi Rig.

I wonít bother explaining the difference to you, because of courseÖyouíre an expert 😂
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I'm not surprised, being as I showed him !!
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   Old Thread  #9 24 Jul 2021 at 11.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think Darrel Peck might do a similar thing
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Well,all I do is use the multi rig,on the deck,but I floss the hookbait to the d ,I've caught loads like this..

Must rename it multi slip d rig ,bottom bait version..
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A multi rig is tied from a stiffer material like a coated braid. A slip d rig is tied with a supple braid on the hook which gives more movement to the bait, a bit more like a blowback rig. They are not the same rig.
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   Old Thread  #6 24 Jul 2021 at 8.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just looked properly, so it does. The knot was covered with silicone.
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   Old Thread  #5 24 Jul 2021 at 8.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do they both perform the same when using wafters though?
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Multirig is a loop through the eye of the hook what makes it easy to change hooks if one would be blunt.

A slip d rig uses a knotless knot to connect the hook to the hooklink.
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Exactly why I asked. Iím using multi rigs at the moment and I googled slip D rig and I canít see the difference?!

Lots of people saying they prefer Slip D for wafters but I canít see how a Slip D has any advantage over a multi rig for wafters.
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I have absolutely no idea what a slip D rig is, so i just googled it. Its very similar to what i use for wafters, and it IS a multi rig. Why do people keep trying to rename rigs.

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How do these rigs differ and which is more effective for using a wafter?
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