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   Old Thread  #43 8 Sept 2021 at 12.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perfection loop knot is also a good way of doing it.

Slightly more complicated but stronger and imo gives a better presentation of the loop.
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   Old Thread  #42 8 Sept 2021 at 9.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #41 7 Sept 2021 at 7.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Was I talking to you no lol
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   Old Thread  #40 7 Sept 2021 at 12.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Surely "sorry you are correct" is what you meant to say?
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   Old Thread  #39 7 Sept 2021 at 11.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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See was that so hard??
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   Old Thread  #38 7 Sept 2021 at 9.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes your right its quite ironic really as load testing and calibration of load cells is still part of my job we no longer actually calibrate scales on site as due to bsi regs we have to have an external company in to certify them
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   Old Thread  #37 7 Sept 2021 at 9.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The heat is clearly getting to some...
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   Old Thread  #36 7 Sept 2021 at 9.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Think you're wasting your time mate
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   Old Thread  #35 7 Sept 2021 at 9.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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does post 22 not give the reason? ok i will say it again with some physical meanings if it makes you happy?, do you agree when something is crimped a force is applied ? well it is

It is unlikely the mechanical force applied to the crimped material (line)will be equal on both sides of the crimp so when a loop is involved with nothing behind it one side of the line will move before the other which can cause slipping, friction and heat and result in premature failure.

When a crimp is applied direct to a swivel or ring etc the slipping, friction and heat doesn't occur the same so doesn't damage the line as much resulting in a stronger crimp.


Also how ironic of your dilusional quote "atm your looking like the normal idiots on fbook who make claims but actually understand none of it"
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   Old Thread  #34 7 Sept 2021 at 8.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your making a lot of noise but not actually backing up your claims which tells me I was right and itís all bluff
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   Old Thread  #33 7 Sept 2021 at 7.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #32 7 Sept 2021 at 7.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The easiest line/knot test without bouncing the needle of the scales around is hanging a bucket on the line and adding water or weights until it snaps. Simple physics lol
Truth be told it doesnít matter, because only about 5% of carp rods will exert more than 8lb of pressure on the business end, I happily use 8-10lb mono hooklinks and they very very rarely go.
As citykoi says, if it doesnít snap with a good tug on these heavy materials itís generally mustard.
You can check rigs on scales without destroying them too. Just pull to your mainline equivalent bs
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   Old Thread  #31 7 Sept 2021 at 6.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Back on topic....
Just use Krimps.
It's the best way.
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   Old Thread  #30 6 Sept 2021 at 11.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ironic...
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   Old Thread  #29 6 Sept 2021 at 9.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can take a horse to water but cannot make it drink!
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   Old Thread  #28 6 Sept 2021 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I knew you had a rep on here for ridiculous posts but jeez
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   Old Thread  #27 6 Sept 2021 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No no do explain cos atm your looking like the normal idiots on fbook who make claims but actually understand none of it
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   Old Thread  #26 6 Sept 2021 at 4.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I thought you might not understand simple physics so i even explained the principles behind one side of a loop moving before the other side, the more you post about this subject just heightens my original view
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   Old Thread  #25 6 Sept 2021 at 4.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you say so chap. You are completely wrong though. It is a FAIRLY accurate way, as I've said not as accurate as line testing machines no, but still good enough to get a decent idea of what's going on.
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   Old Thread  #24 6 Sept 2021 at 3.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Unless your testing it using an actual line testing device that is secured then no itís not accurate in the slightest scales are spring loaded and by their very nature will be innaccurate for testing the breaking strain
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   Old Thread  #23 6 Sept 2021 at 3.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What physics are those lol Iím general when people say itís simple physics they actually have no clue about physics and physics by their very nature arenít simple lol
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   Old Thread  #22 6 Sept 2021 at 12.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A crimped loop will nearly always be weaker than a crimped connection without a loop simple physics its highly unlikely both sides of the loop will be crimped equally so one will slip before the other causing a weakness without a loop it doesn't slip.

Testing something by applying pressure until it breaks is a very good and true way of testing a knot or crimped connection breaking strain on any given material.
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   Old Thread  #21 6 Sept 2021 at 11.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry but you're wrong. Of course you exert pressure and pull, it's how you do a pull test! . I don't know why you think anything will judder for starters, a smooth pull prevents that. It's not 100% accurate, but it's close enough to test your rigs with. I first tested line some 30 years ago using scales, and on the very few times since then I've felt the need to test anything I've used it again. Without some seriously expensive equipment it's as accurate as us anglers can get with what's at our disposal.
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   Old Thread  #20 6 Sept 2021 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No itís not your exerting pressure and pulling which will
Judder and cause innaccurate measurements boom krimped with a loop breaks a couple lb under the stated strain but with no loop itís higher same with hybrid with a loop couple lb under but with no loop actually breaks at 30lb so yes that method is clearly innaccurate
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   Old Thread  #19 6 Sept 2021 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not really, it's close enough to get a decent idea
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   Old Thread  #18 6 Sept 2021 at 9.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've never tested anything apart from using a pulla tool just to tighten or straighten. don't see why you would need to. i can honestly say hand on heart ive never had a knot or krimp go.
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   Old Thread  #17 5 Sept 2021 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I would think its a good way of testing the strength of knots or crimps for that matter on a chosen line, this way doesn't test the true linear breaking strain of a line as knots or a connection are involved but in most fishing situations that i can think of i use knots
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   Old Thread  #16 5 Sept 2021 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'll take your word for it , thanks
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   Old Thread  #15 5 Sept 2021 at 2.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very innaccurate way of measuring the poundage itís snapping at
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   Old Thread  #13 3 Sept 2021 at 2.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'd say most anglers have a set of scales...
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   Old Thread  #12 3 Sept 2021 at 11.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Figure of 8 loop pal job done. You can buy a little tool on line that makes it easier if your struggling. Just type loop tyre into eBay.

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Got a machine have ya??
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   Old Thread  #10 19 Aug 2021 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've just started doing this after an issue with crimps, it's really easy using a figure of 8 knot just don't attach the hook until you've tied the ring swivel on .

I can easily get a loop as small as I did crimping .

Also found 25lb boom snapped at around 24lb with a figure of 8 knot both ends .
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   Old Thread  #9 18 Aug 2021 at 3.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Get your line, thread it through the ring\swivel, double the line up so you effectively have a loop with a ring\swivel on it, then tie the figure of eight as normal, carrying the ring\swivel.
Or am I missing something in the question?
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Rapala knot is nearly always pictured on a lure😉

It is the loop knot I always use whenever I need a loop.

Rapala loop knot link
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   Old Thread  #7 16 Aug 2021 at 6.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Krimp or korda recommend the perfection loop knot
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   Old Thread  #6 18 Jul 2021 at 1.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No probs, mate.

Some of those sea fishing and predator videos are pretty good. The non slip loop knot and rapala knot are used carp fishing now, same as the figure 8, but they all started out for using with lures
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Thanks buddy that hits the mark bang on, if you dont know, you don't know?
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   Old Thread  #4 18 Jul 2021 at 11.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Try this:
https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/double-figure-8-loop-knot/
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   Old Thread  #3 18 Jul 2021 at 11.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know the knot feller well enough, it's how you get it on the ring.

To do the knot you need to pass the loop though the ring twice, but the ring is attached to the hook. Are you making a massive loop for all the items to go through, or are you doing it from the other end? I'm just looking for the easiest way, thanks.
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   Old Thread  #2 18 Jul 2021 at 10.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Google figure of 8 loop knot
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Might seem an odd question, but how do you get a loop on a small ring at the end of the Ronnie rig please?

I've seen it done in fluorocarbon and braid, but cannot see how to achieve it, hope you get what I'm asking. This is a knot and not a crimp, thanks all.
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