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In reply to Post #159
Either way the plastic will be recycled, you seem to be shooting a lot of members down recently for no reason.
All Zack done as explain the way he fermented maize with the materials that worked for him, you’ve already got 2 uses out of a old bottle.
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In reply to Post #156
I just want to reduce my plastic waste mate, a bigger necked bottle could be decanted and re used multiple times. I wasn’t slagging the guy off for doing it just trying to find a solution to reduce my own plastic use. I assume that’s alright?
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In reply to Post #157
How long will the maize in the bottle last once opened and started being used?
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I recall this morning that the funnel I eventually ended up using is the top from another PET bottle of the same size. Also when bottling the maize, a bit at a time, usually I use a desert spoon full at a time and poke it through with the handle. Too much and you just clog the funnel up.
Plastic bottles cut in half can be used as propagators to go on top of plants and cutting to grow etc
As for how much pressure the bottle will have to bear, try standing on, jumping on or stamping on a fizzy drinks PET bottle full of water and no air inside which would only compress and try forcing the bottom out of the bottle to become dome shaped. You cannot. How often have you seen a PET bottle with a domes out bottom, probably never, that is because it is rare for a bottle to be pressurised so much. Now try that with a milk carton etc.
I weigh 220lbs and what that works out as lbs/sq inch I dont know, and that is not enough to "Pop" a bottle base out , but off the internet:-
The surface area of a 2 litre coke bottle is 684.274cm2, so now you can work it out.
There may be other containers you can use, but they would have to be clear plastic, otherwise, you would never know what the condition of the maize is, ie, has it fermented, gone rotten etc without opening the top and potentially letting in harmful bacteria. Plus, with a harder plastic, how do you squeeze the air out apart from filling it up to the top with water, but that then leaves no room for the container to expand and potentially become even more pressurised.
A couple of other things about fermentation if your not into winemaking, yeast is killed off when fermentation reaches a level of 10% to 15% alcohol, so when you bang your sugar or fructose syrup in with the particles, is it a controlled amount or just a case of tip it in, because if not, you could end up with a "dry" bait similar to a dry wine, all the sugar has fermented, or it could be a "sweet" bait, like a sweet wine, the sugars have fermented, but the level of alcohol has reached the point were yeast is killed off still leaving sugar in with the particles.
To get a higher level of fermentation, you have to use a "Super Yeast" but that will only raise the alcohol level to around 17% I think as I have ever only used them once years ago.
So basically, that "top" bait you have created, may be an unsweetened or a sweetened bait which could be why sometimes, your bait does not work because it was made wrong, too much sugar or not enough.
As I never add sugars, I have to presume that I am using a "Dry Bait".
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In reply to Post #146
Honestly what’s the problem with cutting the lid off a 2L bottle?
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In reply to Post #153
Why are you asking me what container thst would be? I’ve described a type of container not one I’ve identified. Calm down. 😂
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In reply to Post #153
Can remember reading Zack's method a very long time ago and using it, often thought about a wide neck bottle as well but never found anything. Did wonder If there is a wide one on the marhet that had an air admittance valve in the lid to allow the fermentation process to drive the air out so the bottle didn't expand but again didn't find anything suitable.
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In reply to Post #152
What large screw top bottle would that be then? He's already explained why you need to use a bottle that'll withstand the pressure.
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In reply to Post #151
Hence why I asked lol.
Still think a large screw top would be better.
HDPE will deal with compression just as well as PET to be fair
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In reply to Post #148
>>>>remember those 3L bottles of cheap squash? JUBLEE with the massive tops? be deal them.<<<<
>>>>Plastic milk bottles<<<<
If your planning on using my method and planning on using squash bottles or even plastic milk bottles or even spring water bottles, forget it, you need proper PET plastic bottles that are designed to hold the likes of carbonated drinks that can become highly pressurised. Unless of course you want the container to explode which would go down a treat in the back of a car when you hit some bumps or in a kitchen cupboard.
Believe me, when the maize starts fermenting, the bottle will become very pressurised. Have you ever dropped a bottle of Coca Cola from a height and picked it up and noticed how firm the bottle has become, that is how hard the bottle becomes when maize is fermenting.
I actually think that the serrated bottom of plastic bottles is actually part of the design as a "pressure release valve" in case its contents should start fermenting by accident or the bottle is dropped and this "valve" pops out. As a rule "fizzy" drinks usually have potassium sorbate in to kill off fermentation and bacteria like you use for making homebrew.
Yes Ken, tigers ferment well also prepared this way. The hardest part with tigers though is, they don't like being boiled and scratch and bite like hell when your trying to force them into the bottle. I'm always glad to finally get the tail in and screw the top on.
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In reply to Post #147
Also I promise you I have tapes thst will hold it it was more of the materials would
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In reply to Post #147
you just need to chose who to send it to. Steve carrie of DNA baits / malting organic will turn your fishing line and face masks into benches and boards etc. Brilliant innovation.
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In reply to Post #146
remember those 3L bottles of cheap squash? JUBLEE with the massive tops? be deal them.
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In reply to Post #146
Tape isn't going to hold if the fermentation is enough to make the bottle swell up massively..
Most plastic bottles don't get recycled anyway, we just send them abroad to be burned/buried..
Recycling is good in some countries but not in the UK.
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In reply to Post #144
My only gripe wit htast method is cutting open the plastic bottle, I understand its been recycled once already but its a shame there doesnt seem to be a wider neck bottle to facilitate emptying. ever tried it with a milk bottle and taping the lid shut?
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