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   Old Thread  #101 7 Sept 2021 at 8.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The title of this thread is ď fermented maize anyone got a recipeĒ posted by Runniel
My post was in reply to a query posted by Mr-Bean-Laden

The main purpose of my post was to explain that it was not necessary to use corn syrup to ferment maize and that powdered sugars could be equally or more effective .

If you believe yeast is not involved in the fermentation of maize( which it is ) as used in fishing then leave it out, simple as that!
There is no need to ď go off on oneĒ . But just remember how effective hydrolysed yeast can be as a carp attractant.
Where do you think the alcohol smells and vinegar smells that are associated with fermenting maize come from?
They originate from the fermentation of sugars by yeasts.
By the way sugars cannotĒ ferment ďstarch as you suggest

Products derived from the maize fermentation process described ( with some added processing)
are included in boilies/additives produced by a large multinational company with high sales volume in the UK. There is another world outside of the UK fishing circles/ bait formulation

Finally I have no problem with you quoting info from my posts ; but please take time to understand what I actually said , I did not say that correctly prepared/ fermented hemp seed was a deterrent, of course its not and to claim that I said it is disingenuous
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   Old Thread  #100 7 Sept 2021 at 7.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Keep posting Mark. All interesting stuff mate.
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   Old Thread  #99 7 Sept 2021 at 6.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Forever mate. They have a sell by date on only as itís human consumption stuff. They are two sugars, it will last indefinitely in that bottle. Iíve not had a bottle longer than 2 years. In that time it did not change at all though.
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   Old Thread  #98 7 Sept 2021 at 4.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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tbf, there are so many different angling situations that it's very hard to state that there's one method that works all the time for everyone. I think a prime example is when one colored hookbait gets bites when others don't - I've found that can vary on the same venue but different days of the week.

I think the most important thing is that anyone reading any bait advice makes sure that they think about what they want from their bait in the situation that they are fishing in.

I've seen loads of posts in this section of the site that completely contradict what I have found works for me and I am always interested in finding out why. I am always wary about when someone says something definitely won't work based on the science when there are cases where it has quite clearly worked.

It's also become quite apparent to me that there are definitely a few tricks being missed in bait formulation / thinking due to people just concentrating on individual area's and not exploring the bigger picture.

there is a huge push in carp fishing for baits to be all about protein content and recognition but that ignores carbs, mineral requirements, fats & lipids - all of which are essential for an animal to include in a balanced diet.

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   Old Thread  #97 7 Sept 2021 at 3.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How long will this keep for, I'm guessing we won't use it all in one go?
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   Old Thread  #96 7 Sept 2021 at 2.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes mate I remember the black forum, and all the scientists on there searching for the holy grail of bait in their books. I get that some people love all that stuff ,but I really hope it doesn't turn every thread on here into a load of stuff 99,% of people don't understand like it did over there. I prefer my experiments to be in the kitchen and then on the bank, not at a desk
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   Old Thread  #95 7 Sept 2021 at 2.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you say so. Although I'd hazard a guess that some of the best baits around have been formulated by people with no scientific background at all, and just use their brain to use a mixture of ingredients that they think will work, and go from there. Perfect example is the enzyme gang and their e liquid. What utter tosh. I watched fish spook away from it and yet one of them was making claims of "involuntary feeding " . You can keep your science , I'll keep my results
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   Old Thread  #94 7 Sept 2021 at 2.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mate, thank you. But itís easier for me not too say anything in these type of bait threads. As was pointed out to me last time this happened. MM only uses this forum when I post anything in these bait chats. Check his posts. They always come in a pair. They are a little group of black forum members who want me to bite. This has been going on since we released that garlic years ago now. Thereís a good reason MM is anonymous.

Itís just far easier for me not to talk about bait on here. Not unless I want an argument with these stalker noddies every single time.

Strange people.
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   Old Thread  #93 7 Sept 2021 at 2.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like it or not, but bait making is chemistry, even if someone prefer to use terms like "mother natures magic"
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   Old Thread  #92 7 Sept 2021 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe, but this is a fishing forum and not a chemistry lesson
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   Old Thread  #91 7 Sept 2021 at 1.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And some prefer to hear different opinions without having to endure Mark going off his hinges every time someone disagree with him or correct him for getting his chemistry wrong.
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   Old Thread  #90 7 Sept 2021 at 12.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Keep posting mark, some of us prefer real life facts and not science and theory
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   Old Thread  #89 7 Sept 2021 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yikes. Is this how you lot got the black forum shut down? So soon after sweeteners and sugars donít attract carp too. Do you remember telling everyone on here fermented hemp was a deterrent to carp MM? Did you see the 55 & 41 I caught from the inland sea with 35 carp in?

Anyone who asked me for advice re fermenting particles. Please donít use yeast unless you want to waste your time. Itís a dead end for fermenting particles. The sugars and the yeast take over, you may as well not bother adding the maize. It all happens to fast. Google will not tell you that though, only fishing experience on the bank will. You are looking to ferment the Starch from the maize with sugars, trust me. Been there, done that, it simply does not work anywhere near as well in the real world doing it with yeast, it turns to alcohol rapidly. The carp are not looking for booze.

This is my last post on this thread. Ainít got the time or the inclination. This is the single reason I do not post anything on these bait threads since this black forum lot started stalking me. Thanks for reminding me MM.

Google and your science papers, will NEVER tell you what you want to know about carp bait. The theory yesÖ But will it work in a real world angling situation? As you keep showing again and again on here, you ainít got a Dannyís.
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   Old Thread  #88 7 Sept 2021 at 9.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting.
Is the salt used to break down the cell walls of the yeast?
It would also be interesting to hear about the further reactions, if possible.
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   Old Thread  #87 7 Sept 2021 at 8.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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With temperature around 25 C should be about right after 5 days
I havenít gone down the freeze route in an attempt to keep the yeast alive. I do the opposite and kill off the yeast with heat and salt to stabilise the mix before use, this increases the free amino content.
There is also a second stage to generate further chemical reactions as the mix is prepared for incorporation into a boilie mix
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