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    Fermented Maize anyone got a recipe ?
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   Old Thread  #21 7 Jul 2021 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No, nor enzymes or bacteria, but it'd be remiss not to mention yeast, especially for the angler and with airtight buckets.
For me fermentation (topic title) leans to yeast (naturally occuring), certainly in my fishing using open top containers or closed buckets too.
Given fishing as the situation it would be almost impossible to exclude yeast or bacteria, they're all around us. If the premise is enzymatic activity then it's also reasonable to assume yeast activity as if you haven't denatured the enzymes by heat there's a good possibility you haven't the yeast and certainly not the bacteria.

Edit, Brewers Yeast means different things to different people, to me it means yeast used to make beer, another hobby of many years, sadly no more :-(
EDIT 2, re read that method of Marks, I'm talking on a tangent, not the same thing at all
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   Old Thread  #20 7 Jul 2021 at 12.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Its an interesting subject, i try to use it when its when the fermentation is at its peak, enzyme activity which is after 3-5 days for me pending temperatures. After this point, the alcohol phases and onwards the question is, what adds to the attractiveness
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   Old Thread  #19 7 Jul 2021 at 11.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think in this process you are just using the natural yeast in the Maize to provide the fermentation, the sugar feeds this natural yeast. The boiling will help release sugar from the Maize itself.

Brewers yeast and Brocacel are not active yeasts so will not aid fermentation.
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   Old Thread  #18 7 Jul 2021 at 11.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I feel sugar is enough.

Plenty of brown sugar and leave it out in the sun. Around day 5 and it's ripe
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   Old Thread  #17 7 Jul 2021 at 11.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's when it goes from alcohol to a vinegary smell that I find it's less effective. It has a lovely sticky white consistency and leaves a lovely cloud when thrown in.

I've got videos on my phone of fish absolutely hammering a spot 6ft out, completely ignoring the line that they are bumping into constantly. It resembles a bream bite when it really gets going, and gives me an early warning that the fish have arrived on the spot. Some **** commented saying that it was "spawning fish" in the margins

It works better than any boilie i've ever used, and would happily use it for eternity. For just over a tenner for 40kg of prepped boozy maize, it's a no brainer.
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   Old Thread  #16 7 Jul 2021 at 10.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Double post.
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   Old Thread  #15 7 Jul 2021 at 10.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Haven't seen anyone mention yeast yet ? Would that be breweres yeast or Brocacel ?
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   Old Thread  #14 7 Jul 2021 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Depends on the size of the bucket might need a bloody big balloon
Cheap beer airlock for a few quid would be a better option, but then there's a hole in the lid, not a prob if you have a few spare.
Me, I just crack the lid open at the edge slightly.
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   Old Thread  #13 7 Jul 2021 at 10.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A plumbing fitting in the lid with a balloon on it would be a cheap fix.
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   Old Thread  #12 7 Jul 2021 at 9.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
For anyone trying the air tight bucket method I'd be very wary where you put it, especially If you truly have a air tight bucket. Capping anything with active yeast and a good supply of sugar is not really a good idea.
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   Old Thread  #11 7 Jul 2021 at 9.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry. Not a very informative post was it..

What I should of added was leave for a few days ideally somewhere warm. You should the start to get that boozy vinergary smell as the natural sugars start to ferment. Its then probably at it's best. I'm more of a less is more type person. But no doubt adding things like sugar or salt will no doubt not do any harm. Just ask Terry hearn he likes his salty sweet Maize.
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   Old Thread  #10 6 Jul 2021 at 3.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yep - airtight bucket.

I'll fish with it from 3 days to 3 months. If the smell gets too bad, I give it a rinse by pouring the liquid away and then refilling with fresh water - do that a couple of times and it's back to tolerable again.

re the sugar part - the reason I put so much in a the start is that I want the sugary water to go into the kernals as they expand. I realise that sugar has a lower attraction / smell, but I want the fish to be able to taste the sweetness / sugar as soon as it's eating the bait. my thinking is that every animal I can think of from ants to my dog love sugary substances.

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   Old Thread  #9 6 Jul 2021 at 3.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Toronto, how long re you leaving your boiled, sugary maize for ? in a air tight bucket im guessing ?
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   Old Thread  #8 6 Jul 2021 at 1.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's interesting thanks
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   Old Thread  #7 6 Jul 2021 at 1.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If I could get berocal I would add some of that after everythingís cooled down too as itís a fantastic ingredient for the fermenting bacteria to initially feed on to give it all a kick start.
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