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   Old Thread  #141 8 Sept 2021 at 4.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Ou look, nearly the whole black forum enzyme gang showed up whilst I was at work. Hi gang. Are we no longer banging on about enzymes, now that UCN just went bust for the second time? Now it's fermenting maize is it with yeast?

There is no need to all message each other and flock on to defend the gangs membership. I already told you I'm off. I have zero interest in being the way that you freaks get a little attention. That's why you follow me about. You can make your own posts, chat as much as you want.... But that's no good is it? Everyone just ignores you. Your way to some attention, is always to try to get into a confrontation with me.

A blind man can look at the profiles of Viking & MM and see they only post about bait if I do. It then ends in an argument every single time. Most of the SHB threads got deleted to be fair. When we released that garlic hook bait UCN was just starting back up....I told you go check MM's posts. You will see it clearly for yourself. He's only interested in coming here anonymously, with a mate and they get a little convo going between themselves. It's the same thing over and over again repeated however many times. Always black forum ex members. No wonder that forum closed down.

I don't care. They clearly need this forum for some reason, unfortunately me and them noddies cannot co exist. Their constant choice, not mine. When people do not get on, it's clearly best they do not interact. They look to start a fight with me.

It's a way for them to get some attention. The only way.

I'm not here for the black forum tag teams fun. If no one is going to sort that out, I'll walk away, it's simple. They are clearly never going to stop.
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   Old Thread  #140 8 Sept 2021 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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AMEN
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   Old Thread  #139 8 Sept 2021 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive more interest in keeping the forum a nice place to be than anyone's ego's

it really is that simple mate
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   Old Thread  #138 8 Sept 2021 at 2.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You have had your digs and just don't seem to be able to help yourself.Do us all a favour and go play with your science kit and off
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   Old Thread  #137 8 Sept 2021 at 2.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My advice is, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

The word I see it, is both individuals are very knowledable in their findings, either on the bank or in the lab, or kitchen.

The way is see it is, we as forum members read the posts and, either take an interest to further our own understanding of bait/s and particles, or not.

I take no sides.
But please like Frenzy said, lets keep it on track and not personal.


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   Old Thread  #136 8 Sept 2021 at 2.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Read the post #85 and tell me how on earth that can possibly be provocative to any sane person.
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   Old Thread  #135 8 Sept 2021 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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mate, i have no doubt about anyones credentials, be it scientific or testing on their own beliefs.

what i have an issue with is people (i've mentioned no names what so ever) ruining posts and getting personal and trying to get one over another

as previously mentioned.

bait people...chat away...swap ideas and methods, dis agree by all means, nothing wrong with that...but every dam bait thread turns into something thats not needed

bar of soap cost little....manners cost nowt

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   Old Thread  #134 8 Sept 2021 at 12.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Frenzy,

I haven't posted for some time, but my ears were burning, so looked in to see what confrontation was taking place.
I've no intention of joining this discussion, but just wanted to make a point.

MM is a highly qualified chemical scientist and lifelong carp angler whose only purpose in posting on here is to advise and help those members who have an interest in their own bait formulation and on the chemistry of bait in general.
If you read through on PM his 100+ posts, you will see they are full of useful information.
The forum should be grateful that they have such expertise available to answer such technical and scientific questions.
The suggestion that he posts on here to stalk people and initiate confrontation is nonsense.
My advice is, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Regards.
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   Old Thread  #133 8 Sept 2021 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well hopefully this doesn't get removed as their is a lot of very useful info on here that we can all(well nearly all it would seem) benefit from. And hopefully the Walter whites of the bait world just let us mere mortals without a PhD get on with our own things
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   Old Thread  #132 8 Sept 2021 at 12.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We will get it there in the end
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   Old Thread  #131 8 Sept 2021 at 12.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on. No matter how many tank tests you do it will never replicate a fishing situation in the slightest. Something these scientists simply cannot grasp.
Clearly Markís method of maize prep works, and works well, why anyone feels the need to say it doesnít or shouldnít is beyond me.
I best hurry up and copy and paste all the relevant bits before this thread disappears as Iím keen to give this a try next year.
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   Old Thread  #130 8 Sept 2021 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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back on track then

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   Old Thread  #129 8 Sept 2021 at 11.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on
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   Old Thread  #128 8 Sept 2021 at 11.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly, the scientists do not get that when something works it works and while the science is interesting it's buzzers screaming that really counts.
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   Old Thread  #127 8 Sept 2021 at 11.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"You have a new bait section moderator, whoís also a salesman for a bait firm that sell his special pop ups telling me to like it or lump it below"

If that's referring to me, i've not sold a bag of bait in 2 years now and that was to a mate of mine

BUT - since Gal sadly passed away, i've always supported Gav and answered peoples question honestly and politely
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   Old Thread  #126 8 Sept 2021 at 10.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yes looks like he needs to learn loads about what works in carp bait lol
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   Old Thread  #125 8 Sept 2021 at 10.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats a fine post
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   Old Thread  #124 8 Sept 2021 at 10.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe he doesn't care what science says is right and wrong? As real world results is what actually matters. And yet the scientists here don't seem to grasp that. when results say one thing and science says another who's right? The theory, or the practice?
Guess what? Most people couldn't care less about the science behind bait, they care about what works.
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   Old Thread  #123 8 Sept 2021 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks T carper. That piece of knowledge you've laid out will improve anyone's fishing and make it cheaper.

Cheers mate.
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   Old Thread  #122 8 Sept 2021 at 10.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Honestly thank you both. But all good things come to an end. You have a new bait section moderator, whoís also a salesman for a bait firm that sell his special pop ups telling me to like it or lump it below. Sly digs all over the place.

One thing Iím not is stupid. No need for me to bang my head against a brick wall for no reason anymore.

Itís been lovely talking to you all, Iíve said it before I much prefer this forum type of format. Unfortunately me posting on here is just not really viable, for reasons laid out in this thread. To old to want or need to bang heads with these people.

Itís impossible to run SHB and post on here. I was probably always a bit foolish to think any different really.
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   Old Thread  #121 8 Sept 2021 at 10.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just can't help yourself can you.....
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   Old Thread  #120 8 Sept 2021 at 10.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All Mark has done is help people,I hope he sticks around and continues to do so.If you feel like you and your mate no longer wish to post then that would be very nice
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   Old Thread  #119 8 Sept 2021 at 10.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think Mark like to flatter himself by calling people stalkers. Or maybe it is substance-induced paranoia.
Personally I comment on the threads I find interesting, and this is usually the more in depth bait threads.
I guess the same goes for MM. I have never posted in or even read any Covid-thread so I don't know how that got to be a subject.

I don't really understand why he gets so agitated when someone points out he has got the chemistry wrong. If he did not go hysteric every time he might even learn something. Nobody knows everything and trying to understand what happens can't do any harm.
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   Old Thread  #118 8 Sept 2021 at 10.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There's a simple answer to bait threads.

"DONT TAKE THE BAIT"

Smile and respond politely
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   Old Thread  #117 8 Sept 2021 at 9.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just what I was thinking
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   Old Thread  #116 8 Sept 2021 at 9.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So the forum loses another helpful member due to some witch hunt by a pair of pathetic ********s.Why do you both stalk Mark so much,is there a bit of jealousy.Im guessing you have caught him shagging your Mrs or even worse caught a fish you wanted to catch.There has got to be some reason you go after him
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Go check MMís 100 posts. Most of them are following very quickly on from anytime I post anything at all in this bait section. It always ends the same. Go look for yourselves.

I tried to help some people in this thread. Not for monetary gain or anything like that. Look how itís turned out again.

I really donít need the aggro these people bring constantly. All with their own commercial interests in selling bait or enzymes etc. I never follow them. They are obsessed with me the whole little group of them.

This maize thread is the first time in months or even over a year in which Iíve shared some information. Look who turns up with their mates yet againÖ These people are the sole reason I do not post anything. ďYouíre wrong youíre wrongĒ. These blokes cannot stand anyone on here asking me a question.
Iíll bet that 75 out of MMís 100 posts on this forum are trying to get a bite from me. Members of the same little black forum group have clearly been using double users to create trouble on the covid threadÖ Everyone has seen it. They clearly learned to use a VPN.

Itís very simple. Iíll go. I will not just not post in this bait section, I will not post on this forum anymore just to have a little group of stalkers following me to specifically cause a row. You guys win. Donít need it. Keep it.

Simple. Take care all. Karlos, youíre still welcome to anything you need in future mate.
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   Old Thread  #114 8 Sept 2021 at 8.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i will monitor the responses and delete them with a warning. anything thereafter, i'll ban.

Its not healthy for the forum and its un necessary in my book
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   Old Thread  #113 8 Sept 2021 at 8.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe, but for some reason Mark can keep on calling people names and spread false claims while others gets banned.
Plenty of examples on that.
I myself had my posts mysteriously disappearing, like in the "Garlic Hemp" thread without getting any warning or explanation.
As far as I can see the only person being rude in this thread is Mark.
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   Old Thread  #112 8 Sept 2021 at 8.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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slightly unfair mate.

I don't shield anyone...

and my comment re shutting thread was not aimed at anyone in particular, it was a general comment re bait war threads, of which i'm sure everyone finds tiresome. I'm also sure that some feed off the negative bickering.

there's nothing wrong with debating theories etc, and i always find well mannered questions and responses helpful.

sadly, the above rarely happens.

I also understand the topic more than most do due to my back ground and profession, i just find posting pointless as it always ends up them same....bikering.
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   Old Thread  #111 8 Sept 2021 at 8.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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+1 delete the irrelevant post and lock thread. please don't delete it.

Some really interesting reading about actual bait.


Would also be open to suggestion on how you can speed up the process (eg -get my 20kg of maize in France on the Saturday and get it to a optimum state ASAP for fishing at some point in the week)
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   Old Thread  #110 8 Sept 2021 at 7.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít delete if it comes to it. Just lock it as the recipe and process is great and should be retained.

Be a shame to let the self-titled ďexpertsĒ ruin another bait thread.
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   Old Thread  #109 8 Sept 2021 at 7.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Frenzy,
This is getting pathetic.
Let's rewind and go through what happened here:
1. MystyM posts explain how to add glucose/fructose in a simpler way and post a recipe on how to ferment maize with yeast. (#85)
2. Mark shows up and as usual throws his toys out of his pram making incorrect claims on what has been said earlier (regarding the fermented hemp) and says he will not post in the thread again. In his next post he starts the usual name-calling and abuse. All very familiar.
3. MystyM proceeds to answer in an informative manner.
4. You as an admin show up and threaten to close the thread.

Now it is okay to not understand and it is okay to find the technical talk boring but to close a thread or delete posts because you don't understand it is a bit over the top.
I know you like to shield Mark but it does ruin the forum when you as an admin let him get away with his repeated name-calling and abuse and call MystyMs rather informed posts "cock waving"






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   Old Thread  #108 8 Sept 2021 at 6.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Drives me mad all the bickering over bait
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Looks like buffalos failed to stop once again
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Mark said he was going to stop posting on the thread and it seems each thread in the bait section he gets stalked by some sad individuals.
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no ones saying dont post, just its a shame that bait threads turn into childish rows and slanging matches that i find rather pathetic.

carp eat anything...even plastic corn...not much science in that one is there.

bait "gurus" seem to think that they are above most, and 99.9% is based on sales and bullsh£te to encourage pple to purchase said product.



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Carry on Mark don't let them bellends stop you posting,you have been very helpful to me via pm a few times
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Id love to comment further regarding all these very strange and bold statements...im not going to as its boring

what is it with self confessed bait gurus and arguments

Its carp bait..thats all...so refrain from cock waving or i'll delete the thread

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Yes you are on the right lines,
The work was carried out as an offshoot of research into increasing the acceptability/ nutritional value etc of maize as aquaculture feed.
The university and commercial outfit involved are looking to put in place some form of IP protection, so I am sort of limited in what I can post.
I am also a little reluctant to go deeper into the chemistry of maize fermentation related to carp attraction at this stage as it appears to have created some unwarranted abuse.
I will repost what I can when the drama has died down
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The title of this thread is ď fermented maize anyone got a recipeĒ posted by Runniel
My post was in reply to a query posted by Mr-Bean-Laden

The main purpose of my post was to explain that it was not necessary to use corn syrup to ferment maize and that powdered sugars could be equally or more effective .

If you believe yeast is not involved in the fermentation of maize( which it is ) as used in fishing then leave it out, simple as that!
There is no need to ď go off on oneĒ . But just remember how effective hydrolysed yeast can be as a carp attractant.
Where do you think the alcohol smells and vinegar smells that are associated with fermenting maize come from?
They originate from the fermentation of sugars by yeasts.
By the way sugars cannotĒ ferment ďstarch as you suggest

Products derived from the maize fermentation process described ( with some added processing)
are included in boilies/additives produced by a large multinational company with high sales volume in the UK. There is another world outside of the UK fishing circles/ bait formulation

Finally I have no problem with you quoting info from my posts ; but please take time to understand what I actually said , I did not say that correctly prepared/ fermented hemp seed was a deterrent, of course its not and to claim that I said it is disingenuous
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Keep posting Mark. All interesting stuff mate.
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Forever mate. They have a sell by date on only as itís human consumption stuff. They are two sugars, it will last indefinitely in that bottle. Iíve not had a bottle longer than 2 years. In that time it did not change at all though.
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tbf, there are so many different angling situations that it's very hard to state that there's one method that works all the time for everyone. I think a prime example is when one colored hookbait gets bites when others don't - I've found that can vary on the same venue but different days of the week.

I think the most important thing is that anyone reading any bait advice makes sure that they think about what they want from their bait in the situation that they are fishing in.

I've seen loads of posts in this section of the site that completely contradict what I have found works for me and I am always interested in finding out why. I am always wary about when someone says something definitely won't work based on the science when there are cases where it has quite clearly worked.

It's also become quite apparent to me that there are definitely a few tricks being missed in bait formulation / thinking due to people just concentrating on individual area's and not exploring the bigger picture.

there is a huge push in carp fishing for baits to be all about protein content and recognition but that ignores carbs, mineral requirements, fats & lipids - all of which are essential for an animal to include in a balanced diet.

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   Old Thread  #97 7 Sept 2021 at 3.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How long will this keep for, I'm guessing we won't use it all in one go?
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Yes mate I remember the black forum, and all the scientists on there searching for the holy grail of bait in their books. I get that some people love all that stuff ,but I really hope it doesn't turn every thread on here into a load of stuff 99,% of people don't understand like it did over there. I prefer my experiments to be in the kitchen and then on the bank, not at a desk
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If you say so. Although I'd hazard a guess that some of the best baits around have been formulated by people with no scientific background at all, and just use their brain to use a mixture of ingredients that they think will work, and go from there. Perfect example is the enzyme gang and their e liquid. What utter tosh. I watched fish spook away from it and yet one of them was making claims of "involuntary feeding " . You can keep your science , I'll keep my results
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Mate, thank you. But itís easier for me not too say anything in these type of bait threads. As was pointed out to me last time this happened. MM only uses this forum when I post anything in these bait chats. Check his posts. They always come in a pair. They are a little group of black forum members who want me to bite. This has been going on since we released that garlic years ago now. Thereís a good reason MM is anonymous.

Itís just far easier for me not to talk about bait on here. Not unless I want an argument with these stalker noddies every single time.

Strange people.
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Like it or not, but bait making is chemistry, even if someone prefer to use terms like "mother natures magic"
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Maybe, but this is a fishing forum and not a chemistry lesson
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And some prefer to hear different opinions without having to endure Mark going off his hinges every time someone disagree with him or correct him for getting his chemistry wrong.
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Keep posting mark, some of us prefer real life facts and not science and theory
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Yikes. Is this how you lot got the black forum shut down? So soon after sweeteners and sugars donít attract carp too. Do you remember telling everyone on here fermented hemp was a deterrent to carp MM? Did you see the 55 & 41 I caught from the inland sea with 35 carp in?

Anyone who asked me for advice re fermenting particles. Please donít use yeast unless you want to waste your time. Itís a dead end for fermenting particles. The sugars and the yeast take over, you may as well not bother adding the maize. It all happens to fast. Google will not tell you that though, only fishing experience on the bank will. You are looking to ferment the Starch from the maize with sugars, trust me. Been there, done that, it simply does not work anywhere near as well in the real world doing it with yeast, it turns to alcohol rapidly. The carp are not looking for booze.

This is my last post on this thread. Ainít got the time or the inclination. This is the single reason I do not post anything on these bait threads since this black forum lot started stalking me. Thanks for reminding me MM.

Google and your science papers, will NEVER tell you what you want to know about carp bait. The theory yesÖ But will it work in a real world angling situation? As you keep showing again and again on here, you ainít got a Dannyís.
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Interesting.
Is the salt used to break down the cell walls of the yeast?
It would also be interesting to hear about the further reactions, if possible.
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With temperature around 25 C should be about right after 5 days
I havenít gone down the freeze route in an attempt to keep the yeast alive. I do the opposite and kill off the yeast with heat and salt to stabilise the mix before use, this increases the free amino content.
There is also a second stage to generate further chemical reactions as the mix is prepared for incorporation into a boilie mix
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Nice.
Live yeast is something I have used a bit. It sure can make those bucket lids fly.
How long do you leave it for?
Would it be an idea to add glycerol and then freeze?
That I have done in an attempt to keep the yeast alive. Seem to work on and off.
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Corn syrup and solid fructose can be added separately to the maize mix it will make no difference to the fermentation on a ďlike for like basisĒ
Adding glucose to fructose will not increase its solubility or vice versa.

Glucose gives the fastest most efficient fermentation ( yeast initiated)
So In terms of efficiency of fermentation there is no need to use fructose.

Problem with corn syrup is that there are quite a few variations so unless you have a full analytical breakdown you will not know the concentrations of the sugars

Additionally if using solid fructose and glucose any initial solubility issues will be eliminated as the solubility limits cannot be exceeded prior to addition to the maize mixture
Using just ďsolidĒ glucose or glucose/ fructose mixture gives a much more controllable process

Just use around 2/3rd cup glucose ( for initial 2kg maize boil). Add hot water to the maize and stir in glucose allow to soak for 24 hrs then boil, stir in further 2/3rd cup glucose, seal and when below 25C stir in 1level teaspoonful of citric acid and 3 teaspoonfuls of instant yeast used for home made bread making ( Sainsburyís etc). 25 C is optimum ferment temperature.
During fermentation you really want to use some sort of air lock as used in beer making to let the carbon dioxide out and stop oxygen and airborne bacteria spores getting in.
If you want to use fructose/glucose mix as in HFCS then just make a 50/50 mix of glucose/fructose in place of the glucose.
Donít go overboard with the sugars as the yeast fermentation can be inhibited by very high sugar levels.( sucrose, fructose, glucose etc) .
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That's what I was thinking mate, bloody cheap too. I'll get a bottle I think to have a play about with
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Canít see why not mate. Itís still liquid glucose & fructose. Let me know how it goes with that please.

The price of the corn syrup has gone up massively on Amazon since I posted that link. You can get same stuff on eBay for far less.
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I've just seen something called invert sugar syrup on Amazon mark, would that do a similar job as the corn syrup?
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Bloody good read guys. Thanks to all of those that shared their knowledge

I've never fermented corn, always done this with groundbait. I've always liked using it before it starts to smell of vinegar. Fish go made for it at this stage 😁
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Ok thanks was thinking about doing a large batch and bagging/freezing for spur of the moment trips 👍🏻

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OK thanks 👍
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You can freeze it, but IMO it's never as effective if you do.
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If you go back and read what I wrote mate, I gave two ways of doing it.

The normal longer winded way, in water... I also spoke about when not having enough time and wanting some done quickly, doing it dry on a radiator after boiling for a couple of days. Obviously the quick way is never going to be as good, and I never advocated it was either mate. The dry way was added on at the end of the post when time is not available.

You can ferment it that way by reducing the moisture and applying lots of heat.... Thus speeding it up.
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Because the glucose (corn syrup) attaches itself to the fructose sugar, and stops it from crystallising. Thus it blends better than granulated fructose, and should not recrystallise in cold water. It makes it more water soluble.

For fermenting particles and getting the sugar right inside a nut or dry maize, they are better blended together.
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Mark in your original post (some months ago) you said to drain the maize prior to adding sugar , and sealing in a bucket. You described this as the dry method.

Do you still advocate that ,or are you now saying to leave the maize in the liquid it's boiled in , and allow it to ferment in the bucket wet, after adding the fructose and corn syrup ?
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Why mix at all, why not add the fructose and corn syrup separately to the maize?
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Thanks for the info 👍🏻 Mixed the corn syrup and fructose very sticky indeed 🤣 best to decant into a bucket, stir then funnel back into the bottle. Once the process has been achieved can the maize be frozen or will freezing affect the effectiveness?

Thanks

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Sorry people, I forget that I am used to blending powders and liquids. You can do it easily in the bottle... You just have to take you time and do it slowly through a funnel. Use the handle of a wooden spoon to push it all down like a plunger... Lid on and turn upside down and shake to distribute the sugar. Then repeat the process.

If you feck it up, I'm sure it makes a right ole mess
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A good slug into the water before soaking the particles. in a couple of kg of dry maize I'd put about half a cup full in. Soak and boil as normal. Once removing from the boil put into a sealable bucket whilst red hot, then put another half a cup full of HFCS into the water and seal the lid up. (At this stage I also like to add Demerara sugar). You can experiment and put as much as you like in. You cannot overdo it.

That amount will get everything kicking off inside the maize though.

Next question will be how long do you leave it for.... This is not an exact science and depends totally on current temps when you do it. Roughly one week. The more you keep taking the lid off of the bucket and peeking... The longer it will take. Place it into the sun, or next to a radiator to speed things up. You will start to see a lovely frothy white foam starting to appear on top of the water. This will grow to the top of the bucket.

During this stage, when the white foam is actually 'growing'... It's at its very best IMO. It's like drugs for carp from mother nature.

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I wonder if anyone can help, just a couple of questions regarding the HFCS. How much do you use, say per kilo of prepared maize? Also I think I already know the answer, but do you put in water after boiling or drain water and then add some syrup?

Cheers,

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That makes sense!

I'm sure the Mrs won't notice for a while if her dark brown sugar starts going down steadily...

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The refined stuff can come from beet or cane, it's refined to a point its identical

I'm intrigued by the corn syrup, is this going to be better than my usual mix of cane, fructose and brewing sugar???
The cane is only really there for taste purposes, the latter 2 take care of fermentation
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apologies - you are completely correct - I was mixed up with refined stuff.
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Demarera is fine, or raw cane sugar.
The white stuff you have in tea has been refined to remove some of the stuff you want
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Raw sugar is brown. White sugar has been treated to remove contaminants and make it look more palatable to the consumer. I'd always go for raw molasses to add to a bait. Unless you're looking for a pure saccharide such as fructose.
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Cane sugar is dark brown
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I though normal white sugar was usually Beet sugar. Cane sugar to me is golden castor.
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cane sugar is normal white sugar.
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Another 'beginner' question from me on this one. When we talk about Cane sugar (simple recipe at the bottom of the thread), are we talking Demerara sugar?
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How much of the fructose/ syrup per kg of maize are people using?
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I started to add the fructose into the bottle and stir it with a bank stick but was a nightmare. In the end I just emptied the syrup into a bait bucket, mixed in the fructose and poured it back into the bottle
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Everything is so sticky now. It's like being on the cleanup crew after a swingers party, stuff's got everywhere.
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Get a bit messy did you..
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Just in case anyone is tempted to dump a bag of fructose into the syrup without reading Marks instructions below. Just don't okay, don't!

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You're welcome Ken.
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Ordered a bottle of corn syrup and some fructose from Amazon and mixed them together this morning and then poured a load over my spod mix ready for my 4 night trip tomorrow. Wanted something nice and sticky and this has worked a treat
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Thanks, Mark. Have known about fructose for many years, but never in combination with corn syrup. Good on ya!

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That bottle of corn syrup below, has the contents of that 1kg bag of fructose sugar on the left infused into it. Itís a very small amount left in the bag that I could not fit into the bottle.

That below is the best fermentation aid there is that I've ever found bar none (Glucose/Fructose). Itís all about what that will create in a bait, not so much the liquid itself as such. If you put that into boillies, it will make them fur up rapidly too. Far quicker than normal.

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Now you all went and got your Daesang corn syrup.... Now you can make it even better.

The American stuff is as the name suggests, high in fructose. But this is for fish in a waterborne environment to ferment particles, so we are now going to take it to the extreme.

Take a 1kg bag of fructose sugar, run it through a coffee grinder to make it ultra fine. Stick a funnel into the top of your 5l bottle of Daesang... And add the fructose sugar slowly, using a wooden spoons long handle to stir inside the bottle. You can get 1kg of sugar into a full bottle pretty much, but I always tip a little bit out first to make things easier. At first the corn syrup will go very thick and sticky... But pop the bottle onto a radiator or into the sun, and it will thin back down. Pop a dab on your tongue, it's very lush and moorish. You can see why the yanks get addicted to it.

Get as much fructose into that bottle as you possibly can.

What you have done, is made yourself a 5l bottle of carp crack... And it cost less than a score delivered.

You can thank me later
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Yep do it now mate 👍 pm d both you guys if it don't arrive just lest me know
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Hi runneil, any chance you could pm me that please?

Thanks,
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Yes please mate if you donít mind ? Thankyou 👍
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Thanks for the link
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Yes, Karo syrup over here, Mark. Good stuff for sweetening & fermentingÖ..
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Yes they do not like that stuff here, or in Europe either.
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It's not the same thing mate. I will use the dry method when I do not have time. It certainly works. I like to add salt to that too.

It's very weather dependent as to how long you leave stuff in a bucket mate. In cooler temps it might take three weeks to reach nirvana. In red hot weather like we had last week, only a week. You have to be the judge.

Look at Spencers bucket of maize below. For me, as you can see I told him, that is absolutely perfect.

He went down lake, smashed them up. Lovely fish too.
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Im sure its borderline illegal over here

Its lovely though. If you ever try drinks from the american market that use it, and then try the european version that substitutes it for sugar or stevia, the corn syrup drinks are so much smoother, its a totally different type of sweetness. You can see why they're addicted.
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Daesang-Corn-Syrup-5kg/dp/B073Q2QCPZ

It's called high fructose corn syrup. The Americans have it in everything, even on their chips... They are pretty much addicted to it. It's so water soluble. It's quite hard to buy over here in the UK as I'm sure some of you have already found.

It's not used in much over here, Bakewell Tarts, Carte D'or ice cream, high energy drinks, stuff like that. It's really really bad for you and linked to diabetes.

It's the best fermentation aid for particles. Carp fooking love it.

Put some of this stuff into the water whilst soaking. Put more into the water after boiling too. Put the lid on the bucket and leave sealed... It will start frothing like the bucket of Spencers maize below within a week or so depending on weather/temps. Hey presto. How far you take that is up to you. I personally do not like to get to the alcohol smelling stage, the real magic comes before that. Others do like to go that far.

Peanuts, the same way as tigers. Slime them up.

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   Old Thread  #41 30 Jul 2021 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Loads on ebay, non fishing branded.
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   Old Thread  #40 30 Jul 2021 at 10.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I could fo that for you if you like 👍
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BAF is the only place I could find it , but they've been out of stock for months .
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   Old Thread  #38 30 Jul 2021 at 10.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very impressive captures, do you know if there is a good version of the corn syrup available in the uk?
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   Old Thread  #37 29 Jul 2021 at 10.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could you pm me the recipe for the fermented peanuts please ? 🙂
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   Old Thread  #36 29 Jul 2021 at 6.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mark, do you think your 3 to 4 day method of fermenting maize (as posted on here) in a dry state , is as good as say soaking maize for 3 to 4 weeks in a sugar solution ?

The 3 to 4 week method I've tried does smell of alcohol, but not a rotting smell just alcohol.

Do you have any views on either method being better or worse.
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   Old Thread  #35 29 Jul 2021 at 11.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Don't let anyone ever tell you that fermentation does not work.

It's the single biggest attractor of a carp in our armoury as carp anglers. It might not get glossy adverts written about it... But there's simply nothing that turns a carp on more in reality.
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   Old Thread  #34 29 Jul 2021 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He is mate. He's a lovely man.

He had another brace of 40's

First time he's ever tried preparing the fermented tigers and maize, 44lb common, 41lb mirror, 40lb common and two 33's is alright. In fact it's pretty spectacular fishing in the UK!

Balanced S2 with a turbo tiger over the top.

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Spencer is an absolute diamond
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This bloke Spencer is a very old & regular customer, I'm sure he will not mind me showing you this. He done some of the fermented tigers and maize with the corn syrup (the stuff that makes Americans plump) the same way I'd advised on here & Faceache.... He liked it a lot, so done some peanuts with it too. He used it last night for the very first time. S2 cc hook bait with a supercharged tiger on top. He had two different 33lb commons. Today he caught a lovely 40+ common.

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Edit, unfortunately I'm told the fish are not allowed to be posted on forums, only Faceache so I've had to take them down.

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   Old Thread  #31 13 Jul 2021 at 10.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's good. I am lazy so get mine online, so the cost of mine being 10 quid+ probably covers postage despite the ebay seller offering "free postage".
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   Old Thread  #30 9 Jul 2021 at 1.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree with you completely Ken. Any ď long fermentedĒ vegetable matter such as maize, hemp, etc has the potential to produce chemicals that can act as repellents.
I have been involved with problems caused by ď long fermented ď vegetable matter both in boilie formulations and with the use of it in medium sized commercial day ticket lakes,
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   Old Thread  #29 9 Jul 2021 at 9.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes that does look pretty extreme Ken 🤢
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   Old Thread  #28 8 Jul 2021 at 4.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Farm shop near me it's £8 for a 25kg sack, so 40kg+ when prepped. Personally I wouldnt ferment maize, fresh is best imo
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   Old Thread  #27 8 Jul 2021 at 12.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Before everyone gets carried away, please note that rotten maize is not always successful. I watched a French guy pile a bucket of this junk into a swim I had my eye on. I went to the other side of the lake but kept an eye on the area he had baited, and I never saw a fish show, and nor did the guy catch in the whole week he was there. The sh1t was still on the lake bed another week later when I left to come home. Not even the birds would touch it.



I feel sure there is a limit to the amount of 'fermentation'. It's a fine line between fermented and downright rotten. This is my take on it: LINK - CLICK HERE>
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   Old Thread  #26 7 Jul 2021 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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OK thanks 👍
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   Old Thread  #25 7 Jul 2021 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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add the sugar as soon as you start soaking it so the kernels take on the sweet water.
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   Old Thread  #24 7 Jul 2021 at 4.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where do you get your Maize so cheap ?
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   Old Thread  #23 7 Jul 2021 at 3.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for all the advice here fellas 👍

So this is what I intend to do :-

take some hard maize and soak it for 24hours.

Boil it up until soft or some splits like pop corn.

Add a hefty dose of sugar.

Leave somewhere warm for 4 to 5 days until it smells like alcohol .

Is that about it ? Can I leave it longer if I don't use all I've made in one hit or is it no good once alcohol smell goes ?
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   Old Thread  #22 7 Jul 2021 at 1.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Brewers yeast will just allow for extra food for the bacteria to start feeding on to get the fermentation process going - I have started adding a scoop of bait from a previous 'boil up' into my cooler after the temps drop to help with this. Frank Warwick mentions people spitting in it as the enzymes in the saliva help start the process too.
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   Old Thread  #21 7 Jul 2021 at 12.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No, nor enzymes or bacteria, but it'd be remiss not to mention yeast, especially for the angler and with airtight buckets.
For me fermentation (topic title) leans to yeast (naturally occuring), certainly in my fishing using open top containers or closed buckets too.
Given fishing as the situation it would be almost impossible to exclude yeast or bacteria, they're all around us. If the premise is enzymatic activity then it's also reasonable to assume yeast activity as if you haven't denatured the enzymes by heat there's a good possibility you haven't the yeast and certainly not the bacteria.

Edit, Brewers Yeast means different things to different people, to me it means yeast used to make beer, another hobby of many years, sadly no more :-(
EDIT 2, re read that method of Marks, I'm talking on a tangent, not the same thing at all
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   Old Thread  #20 7 Jul 2021 at 12.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Its an interesting subject, i try to use it when its when the fermentation is at its peak, enzyme activity which is after 3-5 days for me pending temperatures. After this point, the alcohol phases and onwards the question is, what adds to the attractiveness
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I think in this process you are just using the natural yeast in the Maize to provide the fermentation, the sugar feeds this natural yeast. The boiling will help release sugar from the Maize itself.

Brewers yeast and Brocacel are not active yeasts so will not aid fermentation.
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I feel sugar is enough.

Plenty of brown sugar and leave it out in the sun. Around day 5 and it's ripe
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It's when it goes from alcohol to a vinegary smell that I find it's less effective. It has a lovely sticky white consistency and leaves a lovely cloud when thrown in.

I've got videos on my phone of fish absolutely hammering a spot 6ft out, completely ignoring the line that they are bumping into constantly. It resembles a bream bite when it really gets going, and gives me an early warning that the fish have arrived on the spot. Some **** commented saying that it was "spawning fish" in the margins

It works better than any boilie i've ever used, and would happily use it for eternity. For just over a tenner for 40kg of prepped boozy maize, it's a no brainer.
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Double post.
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Haven't seen anyone mention yeast yet ? Would that be breweres yeast or Brocacel ?
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Depends on the size of the bucket might need a bloody big balloon
Cheap beer airlock for a few quid would be a better option, but then there's a hole in the lid, not a prob if you have a few spare.
Me, I just crack the lid open at the edge slightly.
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A plumbing fitting in the lid with a balloon on it would be a cheap fix.
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For anyone trying the air tight bucket method I'd be very wary where you put it, especially If you truly have a air tight bucket. Capping anything with active yeast and a good supply of sugar is not really a good idea.
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   Old Thread  #11 7 Jul 2021 at 9.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry. Not a very informative post was it..

What I should of added was leave for a few days ideally somewhere warm. You should the start to get that boozy vinergary smell as the natural sugars start to ferment. Its then probably at it's best. I'm more of a less is more type person. But no doubt adding things like sugar or salt will no doubt not do any harm. Just ask Terry hearn he likes his salty sweet Maize.
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yep - airtight bucket.

I'll fish with it from 3 days to 3 months. If the smell gets too bad, I give it a rinse by pouring the liquid away and then refilling with fresh water - do that a couple of times and it's back to tolerable again.

re the sugar part - the reason I put so much in a the start is that I want the sugary water to go into the kernals as they expand. I realise that sugar has a lower attraction / smell, but I want the fish to be able to taste the sweetness / sugar as soon as it's eating the bait. my thinking is that every animal I can think of from ants to my dog love sugary substances.

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Toronto, how long re you leaving your boiled, sugary maize for ? in a air tight bucket im guessing ?
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That's interesting thanks
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If I could get berocal I would add some of that after everythingís cooled down too as itís a fantastic ingredient for the fermenting bacteria to initially feed on to give it all a kick start.
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Completely disagree about the alcohol smell bit an I use a lot more sugar.

I will use 2kg of sugar per 7.5kg of dry maize too. Add it when you add the warm water and stir until itís dissolved before boiling it up for 20 mins and then leave to soak in the boiled water. You may need to add some more water after a few hours as the kernels suck it all up. You want the water to just cover the maize in the bucket. Iím happy for some of mine to completely explode too as it breaks the cellulose up into smaller pieces which I find helps with fermentation breakdown. I never add any salt as I donít want it to stop and have caught fish on baits that are months old. Iíve also started adding a scoop full of bait from a previous boil up to help speed up the process. Donít worry about the smell - ideally you want a hint of puke (n butyric) but Iíve used bait thatís had me gagging.

One last tip when doing this is to add a spoonful of hemp to the finished mix. Iíve found the fish come in and get completely occupied with the maize and they will eat it really quickly. With some hemp it will keep them digging for that much longer and get me more bites.



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Thanks I saw that from Mark, just wondered if there was a better long term way , Mark knows just stuff so maybe not?
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This is from Mark at Specialized Hookbaits

Take some dry maize, maize is much better than human prepared sweetcorn. Prepared sweetcorn is gold dust, but not for what we are doing here. It has preservatives in there. These will inhibit what you are trying to achieve. Use dry maize, and you do not need bucketfuls. Take 1lb of dry maize. Soak in a bucket with warm water, and some raw cane sugar. Just a table spoon full or two. Soak this for twelve hours. Boil it up for ten minutes. You do not want to break the maize by boiling it. The kernels should remain intact. Once boiled, drain, and place back into a small bucket. Add a big hand full of raw cane sugar whilst still hot, and shake up. Put the lid tightly on the bucket... Then place on a radiator, or in direct sunlight. For at least forty eight hours, thirty six is even better. Don't peek, just leave the lid on. No new air must enter the bucket, for the very best results. Now take the lid off, and throw a handful of natural salt onto them. Shake the maize up... It's now good to go. You have helped to get things kicking inside the maize itself. The heat and the sugar, have helped the maize to ferment. The salt will help to sort of freeze, or slow down this fermentation for you, for longer use in an angling situation. What you have now, is super charged maize. You only need a handful around each rod with your other free bait. It will make a big difference. It's time specific. When it starts to smell strongly of alcohol, the magic is gone. Start again.
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Don't you add anything like sugar, and how long you leaving it for days, weeks , or longer 🤔
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Just boil it up. Leave it in a sealed bucket. Nature will take care of the rest.
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Anyone got a recipe of how to prepare fermented Maize ?
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