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   Old Thread  #35 20 May 2022 at 11.26pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's really complex and potentially emotive, I see quite a few people that travel down from up the line,who use these electric cars,some have even had double portals installed,where I work.

First thing they seem to do is get out the long charging leads,and get charging..which seems to take a long time..

Only yesterday I was talking to a NHS ,doctor,who has a 21 plate electric golf,his biggest fear is running out of power on the way,interestingly, he got a huge discount from the government to purchase this electric car,I get the impression, he's not impressed with it ,other than acceleration of it..

I said to him you'll have to hook up with Gaia,but my poor joke was lost on him ,certainly I agree those solar panels in previously viable agri land is just wrong,...

I wonder how it will pan out,because the electric car ,is at the moment not the great panacea ,environmental saviour it's made it to be,..of course ..us plebs will be fed a load of wallopcod as usual..

Either that ,or in the future all the lithium mines ,will make old mine sink holes and shafts look like nothing ever happened down the county in past times...lol...

(I'm expert now at hyper miles)...
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   Old Thread  #34 20 May 2022 at 10.25pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís certainly a complex issue.
As you say the batteries are the electric vehicles biggest environmental downfall. Production, disposal and recycling all need a lot of work to reduce the environmental damage. If you consider this cost over a cars life then it doesnít look quite so bad but I suspect a lot of environmental corners are being cut at present to keep the financial costs down.

Hydrogen is making progress, as is synthetic fuel but both still have a way to go, the latter more so but ultimately they both could be less destructive to the environment than battery powered vehicles. Costs are much higher though so not so popular as the quick fix battery electric as things stand at present.

Renewable power obviously has to be the way forward whatever system we use and we will definitely need a lot of it. However something like fields of solar panels sat on what used to be good quality productive agricultural land has to be a step too far in my view. Just a cheap quick fix to meet a target at the detriment of food production. Perhaps we need a bit of long term planning and decisions made by someone not concerned about getting re-elected.
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   Old Thread  #33 20 May 2022 at 7.12pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It seems to me that ,the powers that be want people out of their cars ..some might say the green issues are being bandied about to achieve this..we all know how much lies and half truths the greens and government throw out into the media..

At the moment electric cars are new,but I bet ,that in the not too distant future ,these vehicles, and when enough of them have been forced upon people,they will get so expensive to run or use ,that it could possibly be untenable to purchase and use,ie only the very wealthy could afford to own or use them..

They might start off cheaply to run at the moment, I say at the moment..!

Another point I keep hearing is electric cars have more environmental impact than ,combustion engines..with mining of lithium,battery wastage when spent and the biggest issue of all

Where is the main power coming from to power these cars..?

Interesting..?
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   Old Thread  #32 20 May 2022 at 7.03pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm a Driving Instructor and my next car will be an electric
I've done a few lessons in their own electric cars and they are great

I work local and part time anyway so range isn't an issue plus I already teach auto.
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   Old Thread  #31 19 May 2022 at 9.39pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've gone electric now so doesn't matter, and before anyone starts talking about electric prices, it still only cost me £10 to fill it up with a range of 285 miles lol.
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   Old Thread  #30 18 May 2022 at 2.38pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The only time I've ever noticed a difference in fuel was about 10 years back we had a batch of pad petrol around this area.

I could drive it as I think experience of lots of vehicles makes you automatically compensate. But my pupils really struggled.

It was in all the papers a day or two later. I just thought the first girl was having an off day.
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   Old Thread  #29 18 May 2022 at 11.31am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same as....

My diesel is getting on for 20 years old. Still averages 50mpg+ on a run and 40 in town and country running.
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   Old Thread  #28 16 May 2022 at 4.47pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've never kept a bike long enough to se any detrimental effect. My diesel car gets filled up when the low level warning comes on, normally at the sext filling station regardless of what station it is but I've never notice any performance difference from one place to the next.
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   Old Thread  #27 16 May 2022 at 2.59pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tankers definitely can fill from the same terminal be it for supermarket or other but might have a different additive pack.
Octane level can definitely affect power and smoothness depending on the engine design but for a normal family saloon itís highly unlikely to be noticeable. Not sure how it would affect your bike but Iíve a high performance normally aspirated engine in my car (100 + bhp / ltr ) that swings the ignition timing to compensate for a lower octane fuel and that does run marginally better / has more power with a higher octane fuel. If you use petrol with a like for like octane from the different filling stations then I donít see how you would notice any performance difference, which your dyno seems to confirm.
What could be debatable is the long term effect IF the additive pack is not as good. Diesel might be more prone to long term detrimental effects but Iíve been using mainly supermarket petrol due to supply convenience in my high performance engine for 20 years with no noticeable problems.
Ethanol content is different ball game though.
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   Old Thread  #26 16 May 2022 at 12.31pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes it has to meet standards, but supermarket fuel just meets them whereas the larger fuel companies exceeds them. It to do with the additives withing the fuel. I speak from experience,nothing to do with any marketing nonsense. Back when I was in the trade the amount of people who's lack of power issues were rectified by simply ditching supermarket fuel and using one of the major players fuel was quite something, and I'm told by people still within the trade it's still the case today. I have a diesel car and the couple of times I've out supermarket fuel in the difference has been noticeable. It makes a difference,100%
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   Old Thread  #25 16 May 2022 at 11.46am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All fuel is heavily regulated and has to meet British standards, does anyone have analytical evidence to prove that supermarket fuel is of a lower quality and can cause issues or is it just marketing hearsay to justify the higher prices elsewhere. Having run my bike on premium fuel and had it on a dyno and exhaust gas analyser then repeated it after a month on supermarket fuel and seeing exactly the same results I don't believe there is any difference. In fact I'm told supermarket tankers are often filling up from the refinery as the major players.
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   Old Thread  #24 16 May 2022 at 10.11am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's lower quality, and it also can cause issues with long term use. Diesel moreso than petrol .
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   Old Thread  #23 16 May 2022 at 9.41am  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nothing wrong with supermarket fuel.
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   Old Thread  #22 16 May 2022 at 2.05am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Current Motor - average 42mpg.

Previous motors have been around 10mpg dependant on driving style & what map i used in the ecu. Would love to have the car back but would be scared at the petrol pump when filling it


I see the logic in driving economically but genuinely think it can increase the dangers on roads in some instances. Plus have to agree it does nothing good to a engine if you drive like that all the time, especially using supermarket fuel. Cant imagine what the ECG valves look like on a turbo's car driving economically with supermarket fuel

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   Old Thread  #21 15 May 2022 at 11.51pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gentle does it till its properly warmed up, then rag it bouncing it off the limiter in every gear.
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