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In reply to Post #1032
The pumps pre-authorise the maximum amount allowed for fill up to ensure people have the funds to cover what they fill up with. Once you've filled up and the actual amount purchased is less, the system then refunds the difference.
Some systems just put a hold on the max amount and then only takes the actual amount purchased.
This is also the same in the uk
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In reply to Post #1030
What’s that all about then .🤔
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In reply to Post #1030
I think you will find its changed over here now to £99 at some stations. My mate was shocked when he saw it said 130 euros at first aswell
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned already but just a quick heads-up on buying fuel in France as we got surprised. When using a ‘pay at pump’ they took around £130 from our bank even though we only topped up with £50. We thought we’d been ripped off but the remainder was reimbursed later. It’s the same as here but here we only take the first £1 then the outstanding later.
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In reply to Post #1028
Download you covid passport and have a copy ready to show them on way out.
On return complete a passenger locator form and get a lateral flow test completed upto 2 days after you return, and report the result via NHS/gov app
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In reply to Post #1027
Hi all, of to France 🇫🇷 mid November could anyone help with what I need to do before travelling, I've had both jabs , information would be helpful.
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In reply to Post #1025
Also the 90/180 rule doesn't apply for work A British citizen can stay in EU for 90 days, but has no right to work during those 90 days.
So a UK balliff to be legally employed needs a visa full stop 90 day rule not applicable in those circumstances.
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In reply to Post #1025
It's also difficult for any British Citizen to now buy a lake in France and set up a carp fishing business. Even taking over an existing trading one has obstacles not present before.
The owner needs a visa. It can take month's, and not a certain outcome.
In the meantime the business can not trade (or if an existing one can not employ the UK owner, who has to leave every 90 days and not return for another 90 until the visa is processed)
To get the visa you need to present a business plan, proof of income, and police clearance. You also need to demonstrate that the business will make a minimum amount per month from the get go. Every month (including winter!!!).
Before Brexit under FOM UK could literally start trading the day you owned it. There were no minimum income requirements.
it will in my opinion, reduce over time the number of English owned lakes in France. Getting in to it from scratch now has numerous obstacles that didn't exist before. Those English owned lakes that go up for sale will take longer to sell and probably not be brought by a UK citizen. More likely Dutch.
"but the rules aren't a problem at all".
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In reply to Post #1024
Not very easy now. 90/180 day rule applies unless they get a work visa. Bailiff's working in France year round will need to become resident I would assume.
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How easy is it for lake owners in France to employ British bailiffs legally now?
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Straight on the boat at Portsmouth yesterday. Passport checked and proof of double vaccine asked for. Opened the door and van and closed it within seconds, bait and food clearly visible. Only had passport checked at Caen, not asked for anything else and van not checked and sent on my way.
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In reply to Post #1021
And the rules are not a problem in the slightest , not in the slightest . Most lakes you book are finding ways to supply bait , I emailed a bait company in Belgium who would deliver to an address near where I fished , it's just using your brains and not being lazy . We would all like to take or have bait ready when we arrive , but really , it's not a hassle we have just got used to the convenience .
The French anglers I talked to don't buy British bait , they chip up to a store like we all do .
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In reply to Post #1020
Precisely
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In reply to Post #1007
The rules haven't changed. The UK is now a third country so third country rules apply. Rules the UK helped draft and sanction.
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In reply to Post #1017
My mate lives and works in France , and he said that there are a lot of slings and arrows being directed at us , to make political gains ? , almost certainly , as we would and do if the Wellington boot was on the other foot as it's all part of the game .
If my bait was taken ? , Yes my attitude would be a shrug of my shoulders , as I know the law , and it was a gamble . Knowing I could go to shops to pick more up made it worth taking , as although it's wrong , it's not cocaine or a body in my rod holdall .
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In reply to Post #1015
But the French are not bitter at all  :-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58894876
"We'll create as much disruption as we can, by blocking the things Britain needs the most," he said.
Since they became a republic there default position for anything is to stop and protest. I personally was against Brexit but many people forget Europe had a chance to change and avoid a British referendum but chose not too.
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In reply to Post #1014
Agreed not worth getting hung up about.
Brexit must be difficult for lake owners all year round, but for the angler who goes once or twice a year it's an irritation. Either take bait and run the risk of losing it, or source it over there, it's down to the individual.
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In reply to Post #1014
Well, that rather depends from whose perspective.
Take for example a British owner of a carp lake in France, who for example purchased his boillies from one of the numerous UK bait suppliers. Let's assume he paid say £5/Kilo because he brought in Bulk. Say 2 or 3 times a year.
He sold that bait to his punters for sat 10euros a kilo. They paid for convenience, he made a bit of an income, probably not an inconsiderable amount a year.
Now he can't. He has to find an alternative source in Europe for his bait. probably has to pay more. No doubt passing it on to his customers.
Just one example of one small thing which you don't consider major having a greater impact on somebody else. There are numerous other examples. (For example it is now reasonably difficult for UK citizen to purchase a lake in France and start a carp fishing business).
When you add up all the "small things" we have lost it actually comes to a significant detrimental sum. I am yet to see any tangible benefits.
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In reply to Post #1008
as stated...
my ignorance on the subject
not much to get hung up about 
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In reply to Post #1011
But how many wish you would? 😉
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I don't know about bitter but the French can be a stroppy lot of do as you likey's as far as I'm concerned.
They are not shy when it comes to blockades, protests etc. I can't say I blame them, pity we are not like sometimes, we used to be but those days have gone.
Let's put it this way would we threaten the French with power cuts if our demands are not met? Not that we have that capability but id we did we wouldn't anyway, the media would be in uproar.
Nor would we escort dinghies to French waters because the French wouldn't be there to meet them.
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In reply to Post #1007
or put it this way...
Had Richard Walker loaded his Morris Traveler or Bedford Van in 1972 with boilies (assuming they were available then, which they were not), or indeed sweetcorn, par boiled potatoes, worms etc, and made his way to France to catch some french Wackers, his bait transportation would have been entirely legal.
Only from January 2021 has it been illegal to take bait (as we now know it) to Europe for the first time in recent history (post 2nd world war) (ignoring bait based on cooked meats, which prior to the UK joining the common market in the mid 70's would not have been permitted).
So your wrong I am afraid.
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In reply to Post #1007
Again, factually incorrect. but let's not get started on a history and development of Anglo European customs relationships dating back to the mid 70's
the Drama was that somebody was complaining about bait being confiscated as being the French being "bitter". Factually incorrect as is your post.
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In reply to Post #1006
in my ignornce...before we joined the EU, the rules re food and bit was exactly the same...so we've left...and rules get reversed?
same as before then...whats the drama????
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In reply to Post #1004
Ignoring the first sentence of your post, I generally agree.
Your real example demonstrates the application of common sense and how it should be. However, if you had the bait confiscated (entirely legal enforcement by the French) would you be demonstrating the same attitude?
My original post was made in response to a post that asserted the French were being "Bitter" in espect of an earlier post example where bait had been confiscated. Such a position is wrong.
It is a failure to point out and correct such misrepresentations and twisting of the facts that led us to the position that the UK now finds itself in.
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In reply to Post #1003
Agreed , to many people with the intelligence of having a mouse and Google and try and look clever .
I went with bait , not masses , but enough . I got stopped both ways , but it was jovial stuff , and the smell of the landing net / unhooking mat made the return search a short one . The paperwork was waived aside , and all I got was have a nice vacation . As always in life if you are pleasant and polite it's normally returned .
Because I was traveling alone there was more attitude from the British custom's returning , but again they have a job to do.
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In reply to Post #1002
The French seem to be bitter about fishing in Jersey's waters. Also accused of stealing 5 million vaccines.
Anyway this is a fishing forum so we talk about fishing and taking bait into the EU, which is a pain. But there's more to Brexit than that.
Brexit is only 9 months old, it's a long term thing and they'll be plenty of twists and turns along the way for a few more years yet. It used to be discussed in the Non Carp section but along with other topics that got far too political it got pulled.
Anyway back to fishing, taking bait into the EU is a pain but it's not the end of the world for most people.
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In reply to Post #1000
I went out via coach on 24th, there were 29 of us on the coach, we were inspected and they X-rayed some of our baggage, did nothing about the half a ton of boilies that was on there
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In reply to Post #994
Not bitter...just applying the law that we were part of making when we were in the EU. I think that the French have been very lax in implementing the rule of law regarding bait and long may it continue.
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In reply to Post #998
This ping pong is really funny if you are not from fr or uk 
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In reply to Post #997
It's because they are French.
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In reply to Post #994
Why? Are they bitter because it's going so well?😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #994
I took over around 100kg of boilie 3 weeks ago and had no issues at all.
Everyone on the lake took bait and no one (14 anglers total) got picked up. Even some of them were searched prior to boarding the ferry.
I think if you take a shed load out for selling you may get picked up but the vast majority are fine with it.
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In reply to Post #994
I wouldn't risk taking bait but out of interest did the lake owner have bait for sale.
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In reply to Post #993
hearing anglers getting bait taken off them now at the ports
the french are very bitter about brexit
anyone heard first hand ? i heard from a lake owner ?
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In reply to Post #991
Have a great trip mate, you certainly deserve it 
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In reply to Post #991
Bonsoir
Finally some peace 
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In reply to Post #989
I wrote London or where your living at this moment 👍
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In reply to Post #988
When filling in the Entry form into France, where you put the date its says 'Done in' before the date - what info is that after please?
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In reply to Post #987
It does if you dip the swab in too 
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In reply to Post #986
No checks for me, either way.
I also did the pre departure test by email from the bank. Apparently if you drip the sterile liquid onto the tester without having dipped the nasal swab into it first, it gives you a negative result.
Who would have thought it😂
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Got off the tunnel not long ago in a van
No checks at customs England side at all 👍
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In reply to Post #984
Their not worried about food or bait its not, allegedly, the UK saying you cant take it. Dairy products are different, always have been.
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In reply to Post #981
It was outbound so UK
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In reply to Post #982
Having just visited the Uk after a long 19 month I was amazed at the difference with mask wearing. Over here in France everybody will wear a mask when in shops or other public places and yet when I walked out of Stansted airport masks were a rarity. Trains were full of unmasked people with just the odd old fellah like me wearing one. It is to early to tell but me fear is that the UK with see cases of Covid soaring again and then the problem will be whether France will close its borders in response. An interesting autumn ahead.
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Looks as if the gravy train that all these testing sites may be hitting the buffers soon, if the press is anything to go by, as Boris is believed to be planning on abandoning the traffic light system and the attendant tests in the very near future. Won't help us as have already paid out a fortune simply to be allowed back into the UK!
Incidentally, France continues to post C-19 infection numbers that are at least 25% lower than the UK's!
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In reply to Post #980
Was this the English or French ?????
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In reply to Post #979
They pulled me over in the shed at customs on the outbound opened rear door and side door on the van my cooler box with food and bait were in plain site he just said "oh your off fishing ok have a nice trip".
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In reply to Post #978
Were you checked for bait and food ?
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In reply to Post #976
Practically the same as that, got back at the weekend but did my C19 antigen at 9am (French time) last Thursday had the email back with certificate by 1pm nice and simple process no problems when back at passport control hardly any vehicles on the ferry on the way back from Caen I was through in minutes but I have to say on the way out you normally clear passport control in 15 to 20 minutes it took over an hour an a half to clear.
Twas a slow week at Rainbow but managed a few carp 28,50,56 & 67 and a sturgeon around 35ish.
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In reply to Post #976
Yep likewise mate , same price and certificate back in a few hours earlier today, uploaded docs to tunnel booking on line...so already for trip back on Saturday...
Few nights fishing left yet though 😀
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In reply to Post #975
We bought the C19 test, £29 - done today at the lake, got the certificate back via email in 4 hours.
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In reply to Post #974
Stay amber or go green seeing as the UK leads Europe in total infections.
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In reply to Post #973
That's to do away with the traffic light system the next green amber red update is 16th sept if france stay in amber I am out there on 2nd october
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Looks like the next travel review is on 1st October
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58491245
Interesting that the pressure is on to remove the requirement for tests for EU countries especially.
We're due out 10 days later but wont hold our breath 
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In reply to Post #971
Ive done the form now and also ordered all the tests as im out on 18th.
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In reply to Post #970
I find myself checking euro tunnel website daily .
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In reply to Post #969
yeh, just signed the French one. They must have changed this over the last couple of weeks?
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In reply to Post #968
Make sure you use the correct one ( Amber country )
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Reading on the Eurotunnel site that vaccinated passengers now need to complete a Statement of Honour form?
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In reply to Post #966
Thought so cheers
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In reply to Post #965
To put that reference yes
All the info is already here, have a read if you're unsure
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In reply to Post #962
So it's just the online gov. Form you fill in 48 hours before you arrive back in the UK?
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In reply to Post #963
Or use your EHIC as still valid if in date
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It’s also worth getting your new global health card fellas and it’s free 👍
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In reply to Post #961
That goes on the passenger locator form you have to fill in before returning from abroad.
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In reply to Post #942
Anyone know where your meant to put the 2 day test code on this form? I was expecting a box for it.
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Anyone needing a 2 day test when they get back this one is £40 and is what i used last week
https://nwp-online.co.uk/
i used the Co-op test when we were out there
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In reply to Post #956
The code easyjet2021 is just a code to get 5% off
Could easily be virgin media it doesn’t mean your flying there it’s just a 5% off code
It worked for me and others I know
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In reply to Post #956
When you buy the test you get the reference number to put on your return form that you "might" get checked.
All you need is the reference number.
I know folks who've not returned the actual day 2 test when back in the UK 🇬🇧
All you need is the reference number.
Cheers Mike
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In reply to Post #955
Sorry not understanding the booking reference bit. If you didn't book a flight with easyjet how did you get a reference number?
And won't it cause a problem if you're not using easyjet?
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In reply to Post #954
The code is easyjet2021
Mine turned up today when I booked it,,it gave you a booking ref needed for the form so I just printed it off 👍
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In reply to Post #945
What discount code did you use to get the Randox for £43. Have you been away and come back yet and did you have to give a booking reference
Thanks
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In reply to Post #950
In a van or a car?
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In reply to Post #948
I personally know of two anglers who've had bait taken but obviously as you rightly say they won't put their hands up to it as they fear the "you know the rules, got what you deserve" response.
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In reply to Post #949
We are on the tunnel now, no covid checks, no food or bait checks, straight through no problems 👍
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In reply to Post #942
Hi,
I believe we should be filling in the amber document? I read on the French gov site that UK is on the amber list.
There is a colour coded map on the link.
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/content/download/128926/1028128/file/04-08-2021-engagement-sur-l-honneur-orange-version-anglaise.docx
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In reply to Post #947
Sounds like you are asking a risk analysis question, so far as I can see nobody has said they have had bait or food confiscated so the odds are in you favour, but there again if some have been caught would they admit it with all of the publicity on what you are allowed to do and they are embarrassed because they have broken the rules?
If a few anglers had been caught would it make any difference to your decisiom?
I am not back out to France until next year, under the current rules, I will rely on getting baits while I am in France even if they cost me more than what I normally pay, why take a chance?
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Has anyone had bait taken off of them?
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Randox for the 2day test when we get back
The owners of the lake arrange for a nurse to come to the lake before we leave €26 👍
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In reply to Post #943
Randox for 2 day test cost me £43 , delivered in 3 days.
Cv19 testing for Antigen test £29 delivered next day
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We came through the tunnel today, no issues. Checked our vaccination proof, no checks on food or bait.
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I know this has been asked before but things change.
So a question to people who have been recently or are going soon, where are people buying their tests from?
That's the one before you leave France and the one when you get home.
Someone mention Expert Medicals but they have been removed from the government list, so you have to be careful.
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In reply to Post #940
I'm not sure if some of you lot are on a wind up with these questions over and over when it's all in here already
Here ya go lol
French declaration
Or just the doc
document download
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In reply to Post #940
If you go on the Eurotunnel website .
Then look at covid 19 travel requirements
Then traveling from UK to France I think it's there.
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Hi Guys, can someone do me a direct link to the download of the 'declaration sur l'honneur' please, I cant find it . TIA 
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In reply to Post #938
Yep we go late tomorrow night...tunnel, getting boilies at lake (trusted cst ) , and doing our food shop out there, just in case we were stopped etc...fingers crossed for a good trip 😀
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We are off tomorrow, through the tunnel. Fingers crossed all goes smoothly.
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In reply to Post #936
I wish I was young enough not to know what a butter mountain was.
Tight lines
(I should have been going tomorrow)
Keep safe
Mike
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In reply to Post #935
Have fun I'm out tomorrow night on the overnight from Portsmouth, boilies are packed as will be my butter mountain.
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Entered France yesterday. Customs didn't even look in the car and our vaccine certificates and signed declaration sur l'honneur were merely glanced at. Could have come though with a butter mountain, a side of beef and 100kg of boilies had I known in advance how simple the process would be.. As for the pass sanitaire our NHS Vaccine Certificate were accepted in our hotel, and the bar we went into didn't even ask!
Masks are being worn by most but in general, everything seems very relaxed.
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In reply to Post #933
Two of my neighbours used Eurofins last week, No issues £20 drive in. Tested mid morning got results 9.30pm same day. I booked mine about a month ago for 20th sept. £20. I’m in Lymm so it’s Birchwood Eurofins testing for me.
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In reply to Post #932
Has anyone used Eurofins for the day 2 test ❓
£20/30 at the drive ins .
I'm in Sandbach so warrington is only up the road.
Cheers Mike
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In reply to Post #929
I got this posted in a thread I started the other day:
Ken I tried to use Chrome and Firefox on my pc and couldn't find the tick box to get past that stage. I used chrome in my mobile and it worked a treat. Give that a go 👍
We used the wife's tablet and was able to access the test straight away.
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I’m due out Friday and going with Randox going by the feedback
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In reply to Post #929
Euro fin
Randox
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So seeing as the expert medical site is hopeless can anybody recommend a site for the 2 day (once home) test please?
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In reply to Post #927
Hi mate all the best , hope you have a great time, let us know how you get on ? You getting bait out there ?
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In reply to Post #926
Going on Thursday, let's give it ago, can't wait
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In reply to Post #925
And if you're still not clear, look it up on the Eurotunnel website, as the instructions can't be clearer. If you're still struggling, should you be in charge of driving a car in France? 
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In reply to Post #923
I am not being funny mate but have you read the DFDS information for travellers from UK to France. It sets out what you need to do very clearly.
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In reply to Post #923
If your double jabbed you need proof of your vaccination ie: NHS app or printed copy of it the card when you had your jabs is not sufficient fill in a health declaration form when leaving then on return 72 hrs before travelling take a test for proof of a negative test taken then fill in your passenger locator form and have your 2nd day test information to fill in on the form as well and submit the form.
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In reply to Post #922
still not clear
i have my cert that i have had both jabs
do i just need to have that on me? or add the information to a form?
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In reply to Post #921
All set out on the DFDS website. Look at the "all routes to France" tab.
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In reply to Post #916
i am being thick
do i need to complete a locator form to get into France with DFDS ferry?
i know i have to 48hrs before travelling back to the UK
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In reply to Post #919
If you find out get the lotto numbers for the weekend too
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Just about to order my testing kits as travelling out on the 18th Sept. Any news on the grapevine on whether the current entry requirements into the UK will change in the immediate future?
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In reply to Post #917
Expert medical site now working
Dpd delivery Monday
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In reply to Post #916
thank you
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In reply to Post #915
Yes, read the links already posted on here to the government website gov.uk
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In reply to Post #914
Can anyone advise what we need to do going france with 14 year old please
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In reply to Post #913
Yeah didn’t work for me either
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In reply to Post #912
That's them.......
Mine wasn't too bad, had to chase for the delivery of day 8 test But it arrived couple days later and still before it had to be used. Day 8 result was 5 days after sending the kit back.
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In reply to Post #911
If its this company I would avoid https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.expert-medicals.co.uk
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In reply to Post #910
Managed to get through to them on the phone and they said it was a server issue, and they hoped to have it sorted by Saturday. I still have a couple of weeks to wait until I go, so will give them until Monday. Failing that will have to be one of the more expensive options.
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In reply to Post #909
Website is possibly overwhelmed, as I have seen this company exalted on many websites.
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In reply to Post #908
Same problem fill everything in and it kicks you bk to start
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In reply to Post #906
Anyone had any luck with the expert medical website? Been trying for a couple of days to buy a test but keeps sending me back to the details page and nothing in the basket.
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In reply to Post #906
No worries Andy...yes nice and cheap 🙂
Where you off to ? Farm lake for us 🙂
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In reply to Post #905
Cheers mate we’re also going out on the fourth. 28 quid bargain
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In reply to Post #904
https://www.expert-medicals.co.uk/products/fully-vaccinated-amber-arrivals-day-2-test-kit-home-kit
Hope this helps ...we going out on the 4th 🙂
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In reply to Post #903
Anyone got a link for a day 2 package please
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In reply to Post #902
Thanks for all your help mate
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In reply to Post #901
Yep correct.
If you order in advance they will sometimes send it so it's there before you travel....... Then you self swab, stick the swab in a tube, package it in pre paid envelope and return via their method (expert medical that i used and many others use a royal mail priority post box system)
Lots can change before yo go though lol
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In reply to Post #900
So how does the swab at home test work, you order it before you go to arrive at your home on the Monday (Day 2)......i presume when you order it they give you the code for your paperwork
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In reply to Post #899
You can do it at a local place or via post..... Pick somewhere from the government authorised providers
authorised testers
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In reply to Post #898
Soz about this..........so this 'day 2' test...I have to physically book it at a local clinic for the Monday after I return, which would be day 2. ?
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In reply to Post #897
The day you return to England is day zero, you have to have a test booked for on or before day 2 in the uk.
The test needs to be booked before you come home so the reference can be entered on your passenger locator form.
Just like I said in the other post 
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In reply to Post #896
What do you mean 'day 2'
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In reply to Post #895
And a day 2 test in the uk, but no need to isolate unless you get a positive result from day 2.
If the test in France is positive, you're not coming home lol
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In reply to Post #893
So to clarify.........If you are double jabbed then you need no test going out, just a test coming back, which i have just been told the lake sorts it out by running you to the Pharmacy on the Friday before coming home.
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In reply to Post #893
I will take a look......i hope it is clear to understand
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In reply to Post #892
Dean see my post number 841 which is the current correct info
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Can someone spell it out in black and white, exactly what needs to be done to go on my fishing trip to France ? (Early October). TIA
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I’ve just returned from holiday (not france), I ordered my day 2 test from a company called randox. If you go on airline websites they have normally partnered up with these companies and you can get a discount, at no point did I have to enter my flight details, the discount codes are on the airlines webpages
In paid 43 quid for day two tests with the discount code
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The rules are clear and as mentioned below do say you can't use the nhs tests...... Couple of easy reasons being so the nhs does not subsidise peoples holidays and also that the tests need some proof of who took them and when etc.
At one point, France did state that home tests were not acceptable for entry to france. Makes sense as there is no real confirmation of who actually did the test unless it is monitored / taken in a controlled environment.
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In reply to Post #888
Just a bit of info re day 2 tests.
We ordered 2 to be delivered at home.
They where packed in one bag and would not fit through the letterbox we where still in Holland at the time as got caught by France going to amber plus.
Luckily the next door neighbour took them in.
And shop around as prices vary .
They are coming down as well.
Unfortunately what ever we think about the rules they are the rules.
The wife saw somebody reffuced entry to the tunnel as they did not have a paid for PCR test when leaving the uk
One positive nobody has checked the car rescently whereas we used to get checked nearly every time.
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In reply to Post #887
That would be easier Ken but with the Government we have they have said we cannot use the free NHS testing kits and it must be a private company kit, Randox have made something like 100 million all throughout the pandemic probably a backroom handshake somewhere along the line an associates wife cousins uncle.
This is the one I've ordered But there 2 day test is a bit pricey so went with Boots for that at £75.00 plus eases the doubt that your not going to get shafted as |I've heard and read a few stories regarding test not turning up etc...
LINKY POO
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In reply to Post #886
See, that makes even less sense, but that is not surprising with this lot in power (left hand/right hand; which is doing what to whom).
From the kits I have seen, the NHS self-test kit is more or less identical to the 'private' ones.  Me and the missus self-test every other day and submit our results to the NHS. They in turn send me a confirmation email saying that I am Covid-free...so why can't I use a sheaf of printed emails to prove I am free of the virus. I could even perform a self test in front of the border forces...the result comes back in less than 30 minutes.
I fully accept that control is needed via the tests, but FFS make the 'rules' more user-friendly and understandable.
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In reply to Post #864
I think to gov website is referring to the free NHS tests:-
"NHS tests
NHS tests cannot be used for the purpose of pre-departure testing before travel to England.
You cannot take an NHS test abroad with you to use on yourself before you return."
I might have missed it but I cant see anywhere is says you cant buy the test in Uk to take with you? Just says it needs to be an antigen test or PCR test?
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In reply to Post #883
Because you need to do one within 3 days of leaving France to return home
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In reply to Post #882
Hi guys
Sorry bear 🐻 with me in not up to speed with all this 🙄
We’re of in 5 weeks to france 🇫🇷
Am I right in saying (double jabbed, we are)
Going out to france fine but before we go I have to book a 2nd day test on arriving back in England 🏴, but
Whilst out in france I have to take a test at a chemist 72 hrs before coming back home and have proof of that test ?? It’s all doing 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Thanks guys
Andy
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In reply to Post #882
Question was, why do you need to take an antigen test kit away with you in the first place...?
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In reply to Post #881
3. Why??? - Only £29 notes Ken and easier than leaving the lake closest place is 30 minutes away and 49 euro's
4. From whom? I went with Boots obviously you can get it a bit cheaper but know a few that have used them now all good I know of one angler that bought a cheaper kit and it never turned up left him chasing them so he bought another from elsewhere in the end turned up the next day the first one he ordered turned up 2 days after he left, obviously you need to enter the test code on the PLF.
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In reply to Post #878
Friday overnight ferry booked with cabin
Declaration form printed ready
Antigen test purchased to take with me
Day 2 return test purchased
1. Check
2. Check
3. Why???
4. From whom?
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In reply to Post #879
Expert Medicals were about the cheapest and I gave up trying to find cheaper when others keep adding higher postage costs on. Expert medical add about £7.99 to that for 'delivery' so around 35 ish
Leaving france is easiest to use a French pharmacy at around 26 euro, that's my preference.
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In reply to Post #878
What's the cheapest at home day 2 test people have found?
Expert Medicals are £28 which seems ok?
Cant find anyone else apart from c19 for the return to England test
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In reply to Post #877
I would say our treasury Ken when they collect the revenues, only four weeks-ish until I'm out to Rainbow now.
Friday overnight ferry booked with cabin
Declaration form printed ready
Antigen test purchased to take with me
Day 2 return test purchased
Only thing I need to do now is fill in the passenger locator form just prior to travel and sort the fishing gear out.
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Yesterday, France reported 3,919 new case. The UK reported 25,056...
And STILL they insist on returnees from France taking Covid tests. Yet, one can enter France without any test whatsoever. All the papers are reporting on this and asking, who's making the killing on unnecessary tests?
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In reply to Post #872
My mate just took his normal supply of boilies got threw threw with no problems at all.
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In reply to Post #874
That's the latest and current rules as per our government that has not changed since the 19th July.
All that changed is that france is no longer amber plus and so the normal rules for travelling to and from an amber country applies
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In reply to Post #869
That link was dated July 19th, it’s different on the government latest, I’m just trying to establish whether I can take a C19 test with me or if I need to be tested there, I’ve been told take test with me but it’s different since it went to amber.
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In reply to Post #872
Yes, they are classed as lures.
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Has anyone established yet if you are legally allowed to take pots of pop-ups/ hook baits etc
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In reply to Post #870
Agreed. All the info and links are in here a few times
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Andy, you can only reiterate what's on the Gov site so many times . I'm afraid ultimately people have to decide for themselves. I think we both agree the rules at any given time are fairly clear accepting they do change.
The travel providers, Eurotunnel particularly in my opinion , explain the rules and what's required very clearly
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In reply to Post #868
The government website is clear
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england
As long as the company can provide the results as detailed in the above link then you'll be fine
Information that the test result must include
Your test result must be in either English, French or Spanish. Translations will not be accepted.
You must provide the original test result notification. It must include the following information:
your name, which should match the name on your travel documents
your date of birth or age
the result of the test
the date the test sample was collected or received by the test provider
the name of the test provider and their contact details
confirmation of the device used for the test, or that the test was a PCR test
If the test result does not include this information you may not be able to board, and may not be able to travel to England. If you arrive without a test result that includes this information, you might have to pay a £500 fine.
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In reply to Post #867
Need someone to comment that has returned from yesterday which is when the tests has changed again on the government website, it’s all a money making game and totally contradicting, I’m still no nearer to what I need, I contacted the c19 site that sells the tests and their reply was check the government website.
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In reply to Post #864
https://www.c19testing.co.uk/rapidtravel/
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Have used it myself - no problems.
Trouble with these, a bit like taking bait, you can never be certain till you pass through customs. As you say Gov website does rule them out regardless of what the company says.
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In reply to Post #864
Friend of mine purchased it and used it successfully last week.
I noticed it was also endorsed by the bailiff at Abbey lakes saying their guests have been using it .
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In reply to Post #863
Has anyone got the c19 test to take to France for the return, the government site says tests must not be purchased in the uk to test on return but on the c19 website it says theirs are approved all overly complicated and contradictory.
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In reply to Post #858
Just booked my 2 day test with Eurofins Covid testing services (Drive through) £20. can not complain
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In reply to Post #861
😆thanks mate...
Steak, brie and baguettes it is for the week then...
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In reply to Post #860
You can buy food in France believe it or not. And unlike much of the UK supermarket shelves are fully stocked😂😂😂😂 But on a more serious note I wouldn't have thought a few packets of bacon and sausage will get you a night in the cells.
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Cool, we will finally get to the farm lake on the 4th Sept now.
We are going by euro tunnel, has anyone risked taking food over for their trip and been stopped etc ?
Bait wise the lake supplies it so will be safe on that front.
Good luck to all those who can now finally get out there, with no restrictions on way home 🙌...
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In reply to Post #858
Thanks for that mate, appreciated.
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In reply to Post #856
Day 8 not required if double jabbed, this is from gvmt website:
France from Sunday 8 August
If you arrive in England from 4am Sunday 8 August, and you are fully vaccinated in the UK, USA or Europe, you will not need to:
quarantine on arrival in England
take a day 8 Covid-19 test
You must still book and take a day 2 Covid-19 test.
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In reply to Post #850
Thanks for that tip, I didn’t realise you could do that
Save me venturing into town before returning home and as you say at £29 it’s not badly priced either
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In reply to Post #855
What's the cheapest way to book the day 2/8 tests (is day 8 still required)?
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In reply to Post #854
If it's eurotunnel you'll likely not be allowed to travel if the tests are not booked or the locator form completed.
Not sure on the other crossings and how they are checking etc.
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In reply to Post #853
Im going to book everything as per instructions as I dont want a fine or to be stranded in France but my passenger seems to think its not required and may not bother.
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You can't complete the PL form without a code and certainly with Eurotunnel you have to download it to their site to get through the border checks.
You only need to book 1 test to get a code so if you choose a cheap day 2 test only you will get you through.
It's not the right thing to do but you will be able to complete the form.
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Has anyone been stopped returning to the UK without having booked 2 & 8 day test and having the references on the Locator form?
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In reply to Post #849
The C19 test you take with you is £29 so competitively priced if that's what you want to do.
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In reply to Post #848
Exactly this....... (French pharmacy)
Just for info
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england
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In reply to Post #845
Just go to a local pharmacy. Job done. You won't get it cheaper.
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In reply to Post #845
Have a look here. My mate is out at the moment, did his test this morning and got results etc. back 30 mins later.
https://www.c19testing.co.uk/rapidtravel/?fbclid=IwAR1k3DYVegdWcFou1cbvLV12PG3uqPJ_cW6DUVOROPUPlfIM6dUs9NugvXE
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Yes you can take a lateral flow test with you for the pre return test but it will need to be from a private company not NHS and it will need to produce a suitably signed certificate to show a negative result.
There are companies that do this.
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In reply to Post #840
For the return journey, do you have to have to have an official test done in France, or can you take lateral flow tests with you and use those?
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In reply to Post #841
See, its changed already!
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In reply to Post #842
This is so funny... when majority of europe was green you had to isolate, now that eu countries are going back to orange and red you dont have to anymore...
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In reply to Post #841
thank you
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In reply to Post #840
After Sunday, if you're double jabbed you will not need the day 8 test when coming back from France.
No test going to France
Antigen or pcr test before coming home
Day 2 pcr test booked before coming home to put reference on locator form
No isolation
No day 8 test
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In reply to Post #839
If you are double vacced, you dont need a test before you go out but you do need proof of vaccinations.
At the moment, coming back you need a negative test plus you need book the 2 and 8 day PCR tests and enter the details into your Passenger locator form.
I think!
It may change!
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In reply to Post #838
does todays changes mean we do not have to pay for the tests to go and come back?
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In reply to Post #837
Yay, no more isolation when coming back from France
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In reply to Post #836
In fact, you no longer need a pre travel test to enter france if you are double jabbed
https://uk.ambafrance.org/COVID-19-rules-for-travel-to-France-and-the-UK
If you have been fully vaccinated you will therefore no longer have to present a test in order to enter French territory. The period of time you must wait following the final dose has been reduced to seven days (double dose, or previous infection + one dose) and 28 days (single dose)
(your travel carrier like eurotunnel or ferry etc may have other rules for travel)
If not double jabbed then it could be hard work if I'm reading this correctly and it's 24 hours for the test
1/ From Sunday 18 July (00.00 a.m.), if you have not been vaccinated you must present a negative PCR or antigen test less than 24 hours old to travel to French territory from the UK.
Eurotunnel rules are in line and up to date with French info
https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/latest/covid-19/#foca
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In reply to Post #835
If you're travelling to france their requirement is antigen or pcr, it's on their and ours government websites.
Pcr - test within 72 hours of travel
Antigen - test with 48 hours
For postal tests, even 72 hours is cutting it fine
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In reply to Post #834
Cheers guys, Id like to use a local site but the closest one is 34 miles away so will definitely be an online booked test posted and then post back for result, I came across the one in the link you provided the other day for the Antigen test but I thought it was supposed to be a PCR test to travel out reading again conflicting info on this information some say antigen is fine other sites say PCR swab tests.
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In reply to Post #832
I used dam health as they are local, they were good for me and results emailed within a couple hours.
But look at their reviews and there are some bad ones, prob the same as most others.
I would suggest a local one you can go to for the travelling out test, as even 72 hours (pcr) is not much time when the test has to be sent back and result waited for.
Antigen is fine for coming home, mine in France was 26 euro and result in about an hour emailed to me. Ps antigen is fine for getting into France too
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In reply to Post #832
Few friends of mine have used this.
https://www.c19testing.co.uk/rapidtravel/?fbclid=IwAR01NR3E6wcrscWRf2i_bGQ_d6SOrMpjr4T-0AakBxrMMldkVAw0S6drMYM
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Who have people booked their PCR with before leaving for France, who's reliable as I've heard a few stories where test results are not coming back in time for travel, I've had a look online at a few for the PCR before leaving such a minefield massively differing costs and reviews.
Got the local Medical centers details whilst I'm out there to book the return test only 49 euros.
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In reply to Post #830
Yes, Thursday is correct. No more than 48hrs technically.
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In reply to Post #829
Yes easy, probably a local pharmacy in most towns......
I had mine on a Thursday, results within couple hours and home on the Saturday
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In reply to Post #828
Is it relatively straightforward to get a PCR test in France, prior to coming back to the UK? And if returning on a saturday, what day would you get the PCR test so you get the email in time to show border force.
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In reply to Post #827
Raab is unfit for office
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In reply to Post #825
Michael Green...
Raab actually came out with the Reunion link in his comment, clearly not knowing the Reunion was not part of mainland France but an island some 10,000 km away!. Remember, this is the same guy who was unaware of the importance of the short sea crossings from Dover. (See Vossy's link.)
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I read in the paper today that our ministers put France on the Amber+ list because they mistakenly took the figures from the Reunion Island, what a joke, seems they're going to downgrage to amber soon. In several pepers now.
Click here
EDIT, just realised bullseye posted it below!
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In reply to Post #824
Shapps should go back to selling bogus online money making scams.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-grant-shapps-defends-frances-position-on-the-amber-plus-travel-list-as-french-ministers-accuse-the-government-of-disproportionate-action-12367726
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In reply to Post #815
Apologies to one and all. I jumped the gun a bit there. However, there is some speculation that the need to quarantine on return from France will be dropped after a review on 4th August.
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In reply to Post #822
To answer several questions, you can have an Antigen test from one of many pharmacies at a cost. I paid 25 euros for mine and you upload it to your train booking as you did going out. You DO have to quarantine for 10 days on return (i am on day 6) and i've been phoned every day. You can of course pay for day 5 early release.
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In reply to Post #818
That's not correct. Unless you have been vaccinated in the UK you have to quarantine when returning from France. I live in France and will have to quarantine for 10 days if I visit the UK as the rules now stand.
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In reply to Post #819
You can have an Antigen test but not the free NHS one.
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In reply to Post #817
Going to review it at the end of next week
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Can i use the free NHS Rapid Antigen Test for my entry back into the UK or do i have to have the full PCR?
https://www.c19testing.co.uk/rapidtravel/?fbclid=IwAR01NR3E6wcrscWRf2i_bGQ_d6SOrMpjr4T-0AakBxrMMldkVAw0S6drMYM
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In reply to Post #817
It wouldn't make sence to still have the Amber plus rules.... When if your a French citizen you can come on holiday to the Uk and not quarantine.... But people that visit on holiday have to quarritine when we come back.....
I think the key difference will be the double vaced element to the rules
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In reply to Post #815
Yeh France still excluded but surely can’t be too far away
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In reply to Post #815
But not from France it seems Ken. Perhaps it will change when they review the traffic light list on August 4th. Lets hope so.
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Looks like the quarantine requirement is about to be dropped.Yippee! 
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In reply to Post #810
Totally agree. The Antigen test is accepted but very hit and miss!!!
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In reply to Post #812
Exactly
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In reply to Post #811
Just don’t answer the door or the phone simple, worked for me🤷🏻♂️
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In reply to Post #803
What you can and cannot do in quarantine
You must quarantine at the address you provided on the passenger locator form. This can include staying:
in your own home
with friends or family
in a standard hotel or other temporary accommodation
Amber list arrivals cannot quarantine in a managed quarantine hotel – these are for red list arrivals only.
You must quarantine in one place for the full quarantine period, where you can have food and other necessities delivered.
Quarantining safely
As soon as you arrive at your place of quarantine you should, as far as possible, avoid contact with other people in the place where you’re quarantining to reduce the risk of spreading COVID-19.
You should stay in a well ventilated room with an outside window that can be opened, separate from other people in your home.
If you’re staying in a hotel or guest house, you must stay away from others who did not travel with you. You must not use shared areas such as bars, restaurants, health clubs and sports facilities.
Stay 2 metres apart from other people staying there at all times.
Visitors
You cannot have visitors, including friends and family, unless they’re providing:
emergency assistance
care or assistance, including personal care
medical assistance
veterinary services
certain critical public services
Going out
Unless you’re at risk of harm, you cannot leave the premises where you’re in quarantine. You must only exercise inside the place where you’re quarantining or in the garden. You cannot leave the place where you’re quarantining to walk your dog. You will need to ask friends or relatives to help you with this.
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In reply to Post #804
Glad you got back and didn't need to be placed in hospital. But 4 negative tests before you went? Makes one really question the accuracy of them in view of how quickly you came down with the virus.
And really begs the question can you trust the tests?
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In reply to Post #808
🤣🤣🤣 thanks Tim. I've had a season ticket for over 20 years so my torture is definitely not over this year!!!
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In reply to Post #807
Sobering story, Yidboy. We are currently debating whether to travel to Spain in 2 months for a non fishing holiday, and the repercussions of testing +ve when there are becoming a major concern to us.
I also have a 2 week trip fishing in France End-Oct…… it’s all a bit of a risk right now.
Pleased you got home ( you can worry about who we sign too😁 .
Just hope things improve everywhere soon.
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In reply to Post #805
Yes i was double jabbed. That doesn't stop you contractng or spreading the virus, just allegedly reduces the symptoms. I wasn't hospitalised but very ill with all the symptoms i.e loss of smell, shivering fever, fatigue, headaches and heavy chest cough.
'What a ball ache and glad it’s all over and managed to get back to the U.K. ok 👍' - thanks, but only due to an admin error in the end or i'd only be leavind today!!!
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In reply to Post #804
What a ball ache and glad it’s all over and managed to get back to the U.K. ok 👍
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In reply to Post #804
Just wondered, but were you double jabbed before you went to France?
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In reply to Post #803
Ok, was unsure whether to post this but thought i would as a word of warning for you all. I travelled out to France for 10 nights a couple of Wednesdays ago on my own. Quickly after arriving i felt unwell and ended up hardly fishing for several days. I decided to buy a home test kit from the local pharmacy and soon realised that i had contracted Covid despite 4 negative tests on the days leading to departure. I had to drive 30 mins to a proper laboratory for a PCR test which also proved positive. I now had to isolate at the lake for 10 days after which i could only come home if i tested negative. I was warned by the many medical staff that it could and often does take months to test negative. You have to arrange and pay for your stay in France with no exceptions. On my 10th day i took another test and was told i had again tested positive so was in for the long haul!!! I phoned work and started making the costly arrangements being obviously devastated. By an absolute stroke of luck i got a mail form the test centre saying i was negative. Within 6 hrs i was packed up and on a train at the tunnel having uploaded my negative test. As i hit the UK i was looking at my phone out of boredom and realised i had received a second mail from the test centre saying positive! I am currently still isolating having got home without leaving my van from start to finish. I have finally tested negative today and still feel very rough but am very aware of how bad things could have been. I was very lucky and have certainly learnt a valuable lesson. Be very aware you cannot come back to the UK without testing negative and you will get no support or information.
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In reply to Post #802
There are many reasons you might not answer the phone, not least of which would be going out to post your day 2 or day 8 test. That's before you get into mowing the lawn or having a shower etc.
All of which are quite legitimate.
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In reply to Post #801
And what happens if you don't answer the door or aren't there to open the door?
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In reply to Post #800
I guess they potentially might send someone to knock on your door
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In reply to Post #799
What happens if you don't answer the phone?
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Been back nearly 2 weeks now, 2 day test negative, 5 day test negative, 8 day test negative. Received a phone call every day sometimes 2 even after the 5 day early release test was negative.
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In reply to Post #797
No problems for me at the boarder crossing on Saturday
Got pulled aside for the usual drugs check but wasn’t asked for my forms nor for evidence of vaccination status
Test booked for this coming Thursday at a local chemist for my return trip
Fingers crossed the quarantine rules are changed as I’m due back
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I think parts of Spain and Greece are going to be put into amber +
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In reply to Post #795
Quite a few papers running the story about France returning to amber soon.
In actual fact they are saying that France could return to amber, from a category nobody knew even existed, the so-called 'Amber Plus' level. As far as I know, France is the only country currently in the Amber + category.
And you think this lot know what they are doing............! 
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Quite a few papers running the story about France returning to amber soon.
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In reply to Post #793
I didn't get checked for anything on the way out, friend in another car got the drugs / explosives swab and that was it, normal practice
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In reply to Post #792
Any checks for bait on the way out ?
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In reply to Post #791
I returned yesterday and correct that you have to fill in the test references on the locator form. I travelled on eurotunnel and the form had to be uploaded along with the negative French test result before travelling.
Made it seamless coming back, French customs confirmed with me that I was double jabbed and everything else was as normal. Into the port and through the checks in about 20 mins total including the small queue of other passengers.
Already been phoned this morning by an advisor confirming my understanding of the testing and isolation rules etc.
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In reply to Post #790
Correct me if I'm wrong but you need to put the relevant code supplied when you purchase your day2&8 test on the passenger locator form. Without it you can't send the form.
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In reply to Post #782
The Border are no longer required to check for 2&8 Testing bookings on return, unless you put down an exemption.
Make of that what you will.
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In reply to Post #787
Yes, but that's George 'Useless' Eustace. A well known candidate for Dawn Butler. Known in these parts as Jack of No Trades and Master or Even Fewer.
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In reply to Post #786
The incidence rate in France in 99 per 100,000
https://www.linternaute.com/actualite/guide-vie-quotidienne/2462477-coronavirus-en-france-19-561-cas-en-24h-bientot-une-4e-vague-a-l-hopital-1627062139.amphtml/
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In reply to Post #786
This came out earlier today Ken. obv nothing gospel but its more promising
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9818107/Minister-hints-France-dropped-amber-plus-travel-quarantine-list.html
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Due to go out 31st August. If France goes red before that date, we will call it off. If it goes red while we are there we'll have to like it or lump is as far as hotel isolation is concerned...or, we could stay there until it goes back to amber again!
As of today, France's cases per 100,000 is just shy of 150. The UK is within a squeak of 500! I know where I'd rather be right now!
LINK.
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In reply to Post #784
I'm due to go to France two weeks today, but with the current rules of having to isolate on return, I can't see it happening.
There is 10 in our group normally, but only 6 are going as of today.
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In reply to Post #783
Crazy considering our cases were only getting higher by the day
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In reply to Post #782
No you don’t
The rules were changed while you were out in France
If you are double jabbed then no pcr or rapid antigen test needed to enter the country
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In reply to Post #778
I just returned from France last week. I'm double jabbed but you do still need a negative pcr (within last 72 hours) or a antigen test (48 hour hours) to enter france, along with proof of your jabs. This was all checked outbound, however different story coming back - nothing checked and let straight in!
Also they didn't care about my bait
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In reply to Post #780
Will be interesting to see if all eu will demand tests for uk even for 2x vacc now that all the restrictions are gonne in uk.
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In reply to Post #779
Cheers mate. No doubt this will change but its difficult to know whats right at the moment!
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In reply to Post #778
The answer is no you don't. Keep an eye on the Eurotunnel site. They keep that updated with very clear instruction on what is required as you would expect.
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Due out end of September, already moved this trip 3 times since May 2020.
I am double jabbed but do I still need a negative PCR test before entering France?
I know there is a good chance that this could well change but just wanted to know where I stand at present.
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In reply to Post #776
same here mate.
10 of us, 6 cant take the risk, so cancelled as we are all fed up of the indecision/s
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In reply to Post #775
We booked in 2019 for aug this year........we can’t take anymore of this indecision c..p,
3 of my crew are workers they just cannot isolate for 10 days,ok it might change🤣 but we’ve made our decision it’s bye bye france🤬
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In reply to Post #774
Thanks
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In reply to Post #770
GISAID is a site that tracks variants
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Oops. My mistake. Its not on the red list but the relaxing of restrictions does not include france while the gov look at the beta variant numbers.
So you'll need to quarantine upon return and pay for tests.
From Monday, UK residents who have had two COVID jabs will no longer have to isolate after returning to England from amber list countries such as Spain, Portugal and Greece.
France was meant to be part of the plan, but last night the government said it would be excluded while it looks at latest data on rising cases of the Beta variant in the country.
It means travellers must continue to quarantine for 10 days.
They must also have a coronavirus test on the second and eighth day - however the option of ending isolation early on day five with a separate test will remain.
The policy switch has angered Britons currently on holiday in France, while Easyjet's boss said it "pulls the rug" from people already on trips to the country, which is introducing its own enhanced testing regime for non-vaccinated people arriving from places where the Delta variant - not Beta - is considered especially prevalent.
People who have not been double jabbed will have to test negative for COVID-19 (via PCR or antigen) within 24 hours of arrival in France if they are travelling from the UK, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, the Netherlands and Greece.
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In reply to Post #770
https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/dossiers/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-chiffres-cles-et-evolution-de-la-covid-19-en-france-et-dans-le-monde
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In reply to Post #770
The beta variant only accounts for 3.4% in mainland France. The overall number is higher because they have very high numbers of the beta variant in la reunion which is out near Madagascar but is a French protectorate.
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Does anyone know a website that tracks daily or weekly cases of beta variant in France?
Quarantine isn’t a major issue for our family but if it turns to red in the next few weeks then will need to get back sharpish.
The consensus seems to be France would have gone to red had it not been for the impracticalities of getting 10’s of 1000’s into hotels.
I’d like to see the weekly figures myself to form a view. Scientists are suggesting the numbers of beta aren’t really rising but drew comparisons with the Seychelles that was fully vaccinated but saw a rise of 70% in beta that caused major hospitalisations.
Website anyone pls?
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In reply to Post #766
France isn't on the red list.
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In reply to Post #766
France is still amber!
No tests needed to enter France from today for all double jabbed... so ALL the restrictions are what the UK have initiated.
If lake owners continue to move bookings then consider yourselves very very fortunate.
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In reply to Post #766
I don't think France is on the red list
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Well.... That's France cancelled till further notice. I feel it for the lake owners but if they have your money and you can't go as it's now a red zone you should get a refund or move the booking without question IMO.
A lot of unhappy UK based anglers out there no doubt..
LOL... I just hope the peeps using.... 'work parties' to get fishing in France are ruled out as well... 
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In reply to Post #757
100% , this the reason, NOT the so called beta SA variant, it is not prevalent in France, that is BS.
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In reply to Post #752
I feel your pain. I was due to go on the 29th. Obviously now cancelled. This was a holiday that was gifted to me aswel apart of a group, absolutely gutted but not overly surprised by this generations politicians
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In reply to Post #761
100% sensible
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In reply to Post #758
The Netherlands citizens has been put on a red list by Germany and france today I think as well.
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My last trip to France was 2019 and won’t be back until this **** and poxy traffic light bollox is gone.......so will probably look to book something in 2023......hopefully...... 
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In reply to Post #759
Not looking forward to the retaliatory measures France will now impose on the UK
Supposed to be going out next Saturday but I don’t hold out much hope of that happening now
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Yes I felt if anyone would impose stricter rules it would be France on Uk travellers
You can cut the 10 days down to 5 with an extra test which I’ll probably end up doing but the annoying thing is I’m sure they said they’d make no short notice changes like last year when everyone ended up queuing at the ports but yet here we are again with a change made 3 days before it takes effect.
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In reply to Post #757
It seems like that, I said below if anybody should be on a red list it's us
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Seems like a political decision to me, Boris is obviously pissed off with Macron so by keeping France with quarantine rules means no holiday makers go there to spend money in their economy...... 
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In reply to Post #750
Either vaccines work or they don't. Why bring the beta variant into it? The delta variant is the most transmissible.
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In reply to Post #754
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-double-jabbed-arrivals-from-france-must-still-quarantine-despite-amber-list-rule-change-on-monday-says-health-department-12357429
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So what's the real reason for the (yet another) u turn on travel to France? The rise in cases from SA is more BS, we have 5 times more cases here, due to government pandering to India because of Brexsh1t related mess. What game are they playing at? My view is still they don't want anyone taking their money and spending it in France, being the most popular travel destination for brits.
Has anyone heard of any penalties actually being imposed for quarantine non compliance?
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In reply to Post #751
Bang goes my trip to France in 3 weeks. Can’t see it getting any better that quickly
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In reply to Post #750
 How things can change!!
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In reply to Post #749
Fully vaccinated travellers returning to England from France will still have to quarantine for 10 days from Monday.
From 19 July, adults who have been jabbed in the UK arriving from other amber list countries will no longer need to isolate.
France will remain on the amber list.
But the government said the planned relaxation of rules would not apply there due to "persistent presence of cases" of the Beta variant, which was first identified in South Africa.
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Yep just seen 😢...we due out 4th Sept hopefully back to Amber at least by then, but I'm not too hopeful...
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In reply to Post #747
that is France on the RED list
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I am surprised that countries have not put the U.K on their red lists
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In reply to Post #744
Any trips in the near future can be forgot about if its red list
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In reply to Post #744
Bizzare as the dominant variant in France is the Delta one.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ministers-to-decide-if-france-will-be-moved-to-red-travel-list-within-days-12357257
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Telegraph newspaper our reporting France is probably going back on the RED list as they are seeing a surge in the beta variant.......
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Cant believe the cost of crossings atm.... 
They`re taking the P155 !!!
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In reply to Post #736
Boris lifts the 10day quartine and bang you cant get hold.of euro tunel promise voucher from.previous cancelled trips 82mins wait time
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In reply to Post #734
Yes I like Caen especially on the way back get there for 8ish in the evening nice meal and a pint at the cafe/restaurant next to the custom boarding lanes, last 4 or 5 years coming back has been interesting trying to outrun the migrants nearly clipped a few.
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Does anyone know how strict they are on checking documents at Portsmouth? Travelling on the overnight ferry to Caen on Friday for a weeks fishing. 4 of us all double vaccinated but 3 have not had the 2nd jab for 2 weeks. Everyone has a negative PCR, do they even check the covid vaccination dates? I am hoping not!
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In reply to Post #731
Those Caen boats are nice and quiet with mainly freight traffic. Nice small port with no thrills.
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In reply to Post #732
Thanks Richard
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In reply to Post #731
I know a couple of people who have used that crossing recently and have had no problems. On the other hand the Portsmouth to St Malo crossing has been regularly cancelled.
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Has anyone done one of the longer ferry crossings recently? I've got one coming up Portsmouth to Caen early September on the overnight crossing but was wondering if they have consolidated the trips as I would presume there are less passengers daily for all timings, I heard rumblings this was the case and there were some disruptions to timed crossings just wondered if anyone had had their crossing re arranged to suit the Ferry companies.
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In reply to Post #729
Anyone else on here from wales who has travelled to france just after some information
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In reply to Post #728
Cheers Dave 
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In reply to Post #727
Wish you all the best Jim for the remainder of the season.
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In reply to Post #726
David, I think it unlikely that when positive test angler arrives at the port that he will be forced to remain in France. To the contrary I believe that it will be a case of having to isolate when he gets back home. We cannot be sure until such an event happens so fingers crossed it wont be an issue.
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In reply to Post #725
Found this info Jim "If you test positive for COVID-19 while abroad you will need to follow local public health advice regarding self-isolation. You should expect to self-isolate in the country you are in, so you may need to stay longer than planned. Plan ahead for any possible delays to your return home and the entry requirements at your next destination." Presumably then you cannot stay at a fishery as you will not be able to self isolate unless you are the only person on the lake for 10 to 14 days, so where can you go? It certainly puts me off travelling!
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In reply to Post #724
I think that if you test positive you can return to the UK but will have to quarantine.
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In reply to Post #723
So what happens if you test positive on the test taken in France before you return to the UK, presumably you can't come back and where do you quarantine in France, surely not at the lake?
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In reply to Post #720
Macron giving a speech on Monday night regarding the rise of the delta variant in France. Possible return of some restrictive measures to be announced.
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Good luck Andy 👍
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Live from folkstone.....
I uploaded all required forms before travel, no need for stopping in the document checks room, no issues with customs, showed negative certificate (antigen) and passport and now on the train. Simple process for the tunnel
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In reply to Post #719
France hints it could lift travel restrictions for UK travellers
Despite the fact the number of cases is currently growing in the UK, France appears to be preparing to relax rules governing people travelling there across the Channel.
"With the vaccination campaign advancing well in both France and UK there could be a co-ordinated decision soon to remove the UK from the orange list," French transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari has told the BBC.
"We are looking at the evolution of the health situation and want to make a decision as quickly as we can."
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In reply to Post #715
OldFella. Same for me, as a US resident I’m still f*cked.
Just gave up my End August trip to Laby, now more worried about End-Oct,....
Good luck to all you UK based lads, envy you.....
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France no longer an+ 'essential journeys only' country. No need to worry about your insurance company's policy restrictions. This is from the Gov.uk
Still current at:
9 July 2021
Updated:
8 July 2021
Latest update:
The FCDO no longer advises against all but essential travel to France, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks.
Good news, folks!
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In reply to Post #716
I see now that on the Gov website it has a link to all the test providers for cost comparison, not had chance to have a proper look at it but did spot one company doing the day2 return PCR for £40. This was a home test as well, be good to find a package that provides both exit from Uk and day 2 tests, would make it all less complicated.
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In reply to Post #715
Agreed Jim.
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In reply to Post #713
And the silly thing is that I have had both inoculations over here in France but still cannot visit the UK without 10 days quarantine in a hotel.Madness.
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In reply to Post #712
You're welcome.
I went there today for mine, other than filling in a form with details I had mostly already submitted when booking online, was painless. Had my result emailed to me within 2 hours
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In reply to Post #711
Jim sadly of course it will probably all change again before the end of the month, look at the latest news re the Olympics announced today, no spectators at all, so that should be scrapped! Whole Covid thing is going round in circles just hope a vaccination beating variant doesn't appear in the near future but a very good chance that it will!
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In reply to Post #676
Thanks for the tip regarding DAM healthcare. Seems pretty decent price for antigen test to get us out to France
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In reply to Post #710
If you are travelling home after the 19th then no isolation.
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In reply to Post #709
Does that mean if you are mid trip on 19th in France you don't have to isolate? Just test out, test in and day 2?
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In reply to Post #701
Yes, you will need to have 3 tests.
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In reply to Post #704
hi Daniel, we just paid 295 one way Roscoff Plymouth
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In reply to Post #704
Big money. The western channel routes are probably three times the cost of the short sea crossing/tunnel.
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In reply to Post #703
All ok at Portsmouth Ken, just takes a bit longer but a lot of this is because of the virus
John
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In reply to Post #703
hi ken what sort of price do you pay for ferry to roscoff please
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Can anyone tell me, what are the customs like at Pompey and Plymouth...
Similarly, what are the postes de douanes like in St Malo and Roscoff?
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In reply to Post #700
Bad or not, he still used a disguise to run his scam.
David: That's the way I see it.
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In reply to Post #700
Does that now mean a test before you travel abroad, a test before you return to the UK and another test within 2 days of getting back to the UK?
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In reply to Post #699
Schapps must have been a really bad get rich quick scammer.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-quarantine-scrapped-for-fully-vaccinated-adults-returning-from-amber-list-countries-from-19-july-12351524
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Michael Green Grant Shapps making a big thing out of reciprocity in the House today, making out that it is those nasty foreigners who are not playing ball. (Google Michael Green for more on the duplicity of Mr Shapps.)
Looks like quarantine on return being stopped for the double jabbed on July 19.
Yes, but PCR tests still required. Those lovely Tory donors that supply the testing services must be kept sweet
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In reply to Post #697
Looks like quarentine on return being stopped for the double jabbed on July 19.
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In reply to Post #696
Pharmacies do antigen tests while you wait.
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In reply to Post #695
Is there any advantage / disadvantage to antigen test over a PCR? Or is it just a case of what’s being offered closest to your venue
I know PCR is meant to be more accurate but just thinking in terms of ease of doing it while on holiday
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In reply to Post #693
Yes from today it's about 50 euro for PCR tests. 25/30 euro for antigen test. The free testing was not reciprocated by other countries hence the new charge for tourists.
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In reply to Post #693
Charging starts today according to the earlier announcement.
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In reply to Post #692
my test in france was free but i heard that the french are going to start charging soon
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In reply to Post #691
I think it is very likely if the need for quarantine for the double jabbed is removed then testing at best will stay the same or maybe even increase.
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In reply to Post #690
For me, I'm waiting to hear if the paid private tests will still be required which I suspect they will.
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Possible announcement tomorrow allowing double jabbed brits to avoid quarantine from amber countries.
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In reply to Post #686
the owner of the lake organised our covid test in france
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In reply to Post #686
When your out there , if the lake bailife doesn’t know , just google PCR / certified AG test near “ your closest large town “
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In reply to Post #685
yes had to go into room to fill extra paperwork in
passenger form
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In reply to Post #684
We're and how did you arrange your covid tests in France?
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In reply to Post #684
Did you have to go into room when coming back as you hadn't pre filled in all the paperwork? Or did everyone have to do it?
Eurotunnel has added some extra forms to their site that now need filling and uploading if travelling with them
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In reply to Post #683
i got back from etang le villaine on sat had an excellent weeks fishing and would reccomend highly
friend and i travelled in his ford transit using the chunnel
going into france was really easy we were only asked for our passports and booking details
the van steering wheel and handles were swabbed for drugs and fire arm residue took 5 mins
we drove straight onto train and theres nothing when you get into france
coming home was more difficult booking in we were sent to a room were we had to fill anther form in show our covid test results that we had while in france
going through french customs no problem just checked documents
english customs showed documents and questioned to were we had been van pulled to side questioned again and 5 min look inside the van then on our way
all in all was a bit of a hastle coming home but well worth it
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In reply to Post #682
MPs in UK have summer recess on July 22 or 23 so I think we know travel will be less restrictive from then until September when the swine return to work.
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In reply to Post #681
I read that on inews earlier but on another site they didn't mention France as a possibility...... All rumours and hope at the moment.
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In reply to Post #680
Is everyone hearing the news coming from France is they are expected to be announced Green on 15th with expected start day of 21st??
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In reply to Post #679
Yes. Screenshot on your phone. I printed off as well.
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Does anyone know if France are accepting the NHS app as proof of double jab? Or is it best to apply for a letter?
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In reply to Post #677
I'm in before then so will report back
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In reply to Post #676
I'm booked in for the 24hr Antigen test with a DAM health centre Monday week for a 04.42 train on the Wednesday. I'll let you know if i make it!!
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In case it helps anyone, the below do on site 24 hour results with either antigen tests or pcr. If you have a site close to you, £29 for the antigen which can be used for travel to France
https://www.dam-health.com/
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In reply to Post #673
You may have jumped the gun as there could be a relaxation before you are due back - assuming you are away at least a week.
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In reply to Post #673
What travel insurance are you using as everyone i try says no cover for a country on the governments amber list??
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In reply to Post #672
I’m all booked for the 24/7. Tests booked, forms ready to go, just need dating, scanning and uploading to my eurotunnel booking. Can’t complete docs until just before we travel.
I’ll let people know how I get on. Not taking my own bait before anyone asks
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In reply to Post #671
UK Gov accepts both a PCR or an Antigen test.
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In reply to Post #666
whats an analgesic test? Analgesics are pain killers
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In reply to Post #669
Fairly sure the 29 euro one is ok to use for your return to UK.
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In reply to Post #666
July 7.
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In reply to Post #666
Its happening now
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In reply to Post #666
Gabriel Attal said on Wednesday that it will come into effect on 7th July. 49 euro for a PCR test. Reason given is reciprocation for charges in other countries upon French citizens.
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In reply to Post #665
While watching France 3 news last night it said the goverment is now going to start charging tourists for covid tests
:- PCR tests 49€
:- Antigénigue tests 29€
it didn't say when from though.
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In reply to Post #664
you may be right, but there is NO way i can be away from my business for 10 days isolation (if thats still the case and they dnt change their minds over n over again)
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In reply to Post #662
That is just what Doris wants people to do! Don't be a sheep, I know of lots of folk who have come over here without problem.
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And the latest potential sticking point is
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-vaccine-passport-excludes-5m-142216597.html
Anyone been turned away?
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In reply to Post #661
im totally fed up with the "indecisions" and "uncertainty" surrounding french travel, so ive sacked off this yrs trip (first time in 20 odd yrs) until we know exactly whats going on
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Narendra Damodardas Modi
Easy 👍
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But how was Doris going to get his 'World beating trade deal' with India if he stopped those lovely Indian COVID-19 spreaders from coming to the UK...Narendra Damodardas Modi for one...and try saying that when you're pithed!
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In reply to Post #656
If you've had both jabs - there is no requirement to quarantine in France.
If you haven't had both jabs, you need to quarantine for 7 days. Hence why my daughters won't be coming on our family holiday in August (if it goes ahead with Macron/Merkel threatening to change the goalposts again - and force UK travellers to quarantine for 14 days on arrival, independent of jabs).
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In reply to Post #655
There is no quarentine in France currently for UK visitors.
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In reply to Post #637
Hi,
as far as I know it's a 7 days "quarantine" at the fishery.
Lake owner are happy to do shopping for you and the good thing is the Covid test is free
Cheers
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Should of been in France last week I have to say the venue I had booked and have had to move due to restrictions have been very good, I was supposed to be at Blackberry lake last week with a few mates, I was leaving it as close as possible to the date (in hope) before having to make a judgement, so about a month ago emailed Kris and Ellen and they have kindly moved it to same week-ish next year at no cost.
These guys have invested heavily acquiring the lake in 2018 stocking somewhere in the region of 700 carp feeding them for two years, gravel track laid all the way around the 33 acres then swim building etc...their opening date was March 2020 (hows your luck) weeks and weeks lost last year due to lock down then only the European angers that have booked going when they've been aloud, but Kris is a genuinely nice guy whom I know from meeting a few times at Rainbow, he's obviously invested heavily in a dream and been faced with this in his first few years of trading so hats off to him and his wife.
The Carp Specialist have been very good as well they moved our trip from last October to this year FOC then as a group we decided sod it just recently with all the uncertainty we would move it to October 2022 a small admin fee of £50 euros so no complaints from me.
Just hope all the nonsense does sort itself out soon as I have a trip to Rainbow in September with a mate, I will not bother if it's all the testing and quarantining as well, I don't mind sorting out testing or the cost but then having to come back and quarantine means nearly three weeks off work start to finish just not going to happen and they'll be no re scheduling that trip.
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In reply to Post #650
Will do Dave 👍
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In reply to Post #651
Jim obviously the support from the French Government is well short of what fisheries would normally earn and it must be extremely difficult for new venues to continue without any financial support. I would agree that most fisheries seem to have been very fair in trying to help customers in either rearranging bookings or refunding monies paid in full, but obviously some have not. I will leave it to the anglers who have been unfairly treated to report accordingly. I think we will all be glad when things return to normal!
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In reply to Post #650
Sorry David but I must ask you to clarify that statement. The help from the French Government is very welcome but a fraction of the earnings lost due to Covid. I would like to know who are these venue's that are ripping people off because in my circle of lake owner friends without exception the customers have been treated fairly and the venue owners are struggling due to 18 months of lost income. The poor couples that have opened new fisheries during 2020, and there are more than a few of them, have had to contend with no help and no income. Never easy.
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In reply to Post #649
Good luck with that trip Phil, very surprised you never went back to my old lake especially as I haven't been there for 9 years (lol). Reading between the lines, some venues are really ripping people off, I think the customers don't realise the support that venues are getting from the French Government and some of those who aren't getting the financial support from the Government for whatever reason, are still doing everything to help their customers. Please give Paul my best regards when you see him!
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Cancelled because of COVID and the restrictions that’s still imposed
On the flip side tho Paul has been a diamond as I’ve a trip booked there in October so he’s taken the money and moved it to that date 👍👍👍 can’t say fairer than that as I was expecting to loose the money
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In reply to Post #647
I wish Phil, what happened?
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Should have been at the island lake today 🥲
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In reply to Post #641
Can't even go for a golfing holiday in Eire unless I am willing to isolate for 14 days, said it before and I will again, absolute chaos in trying to plan a holiday (fishing, golfing or normal holiday) anywhere this year! Scotland looking like the best bet at the moment.
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In reply to Post #644
Yep. No problem self isolating at the lake.
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In reply to Post #643
My understanding from last year is that you could quarantine at the lake and even if the requirement is 14 days you could still repatriate after 7 days??? Doesn't really make any difference if France decide to follow suit unless any lake owners know different.
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In reply to Post #642
Germany already has a quarentine for UK travellers and has done for quite some time. Doubtful Spain will go along with it. France is a 50/50.
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In reply to Post #641
Italy introduced 5 days of quarantine for travellers arriving from the UK last Monday.
I'd agree with BRB, the Germans don't see lots of British holidaymakers' cash, so may impose a quarantine. The Spanish, on the other hand ...
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In reply to Post #640
For every Germany there is a Spain, Italy and Portugal with a different view. The chances of the EU having a unified approach is very small so I'm sure it will continue as now with each country deciding its own policy on visitors.
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In reply to Post #638
A scaremongering story with no real basis - if you read it.
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In reply to Post #637
Cam
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In reply to Post #635
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelocal.fr/20210625/is-france-imposing-a-14-day-quarantine-on-uk-travellers/%3famp
If somebody could kindly create a link please .
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In reply to Post #630
That's pretty much screwed most anglers travelling to France this year to fish....when is this nightmare going to end?
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In reply to Post #632
Thanks for that.
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In reply to Post #631
Press the blue 'click' in my post below
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In reply to Post #630
I have seen that the Germans are doing it but not anything about the French following suite. Any links please.
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French and Germans now calling for quarantine due to Indian variant not looking good
Click here
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In reply to Post #623
72 hour PCR test or 48 hr lateral flow i saw today
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In reply to Post #622
That might be out of date
LINK
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And once the Covid situation is over and you can travel freely ... mobile roaming charges set to be re-introduced next year ... ta-daah!
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In reply to Post #624
I appreciate you can use one hence me asking if anyone actually has without issue. I also have a place nearby that does same day for £29.
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In reply to Post #623
The antigen test is acceptable for entry but seems you'd need to be near a test centre or lab and not sure 48 hours is enough time to send the test back and receive the result in time
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In reply to Post #622
Has anyone used the Rapid Antigen test by an approved government provider as apposed to the PCR test? The Antigen test is a fraction of the price?
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In reply to Post #620
Shouldn't, doesn't = can't
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In reply to Post #617
>Its because to travel from UK to France and from France to UK you are dealing with 2 goverments with 2 different sets of rules and you need to satisfy both ie France say you can come in as long as you`ve had 2 vaccinations but Uk say you should`nt travel for leisure purposes to a country on the UK Amber list, simples.
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UK GOV website says HGV or van drivers arriving in France from the UK are no longer required to provide a negative covid-19 test to enter France
So if I take my Dispatch over does that count
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In reply to Post #617
Are border control still calling people on their returns etc
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In reply to Post #614
That might be because Doris and his cronies don't want people to leave the UK, that is the reason it hasn't been updated, they want people to keep their money in the UK. It's a disgrace!
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In reply to Post #614
UK ministers looking at scrapping the quarentine for double jabbed individuals.
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In reply to Post #611
Travellers who are fully vaccinated do not need an essential reason to travel to France and do not need to self-isolate on arrival. Fully vaccinated travellers will need to present the following documents:
those travelling aged 11 years old or over, will need evidence of a negative PCR test result taken within 72 hours of departure, or a negative antigen test result taken within 48 hours of departure
a completed ‘sworn statement’ (déclaration sur l’honneur) form self-certifying they are not suffering from symptoms associated with coronavirus and have not been in contact with confirmed cases in the preceding fortnight. This can be found on the French government’s website
proof of vaccination status
Further detail on who is considered fully vaccinated by the French government, and how you can prove your status, can be found below under ‘vaccination status’.
This is taken from the UK gOV website on travel to France from the uk so if the French gov page says you dont need a test to enter, IF you`ve had the double vaccination, the UK says you need one to leave the UK.
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In reply to Post #612
It dos state on the site rich that you gave to have a negative test if arriving from a orange country so in my eyes we still have to have a pcr negative test
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In reply to Post #608
You are right and I am mistaken. I assumed incorrectly that the connexion would be up to date on this. By the way, I also live in france.
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Thanks Richard.
Can anyone tell me if i'm being really thick??
On the main page it states....
Entry requirements to mainland France from the United Kingdom
If the traveler is vaccinated, entry into metropolitan territory is not subject to any restriction. However, he must present a sworn statement attesting to the absence of symptoms of Covid-19 infection and contact with a confirmed case of Covid-19, as well as proof of vaccination status.
If the traveler is not vaccinated, he must produce a compelling reason to return to metropolitan territory. The indicative list of compelling reasons appears on the certificate of entry into metropolitan territory . The United Kingdom being classified among the countries of the "orange" zone, it must present to the transport company and to the control authorities at the border a negative PCR test dating from less than 72 hours before the departure (departure of the first flight). in the event of a journey with a connection) or a negative antigen test less than 48 hours before departure (departure of the first flight in the case of a journey with a connection). Children under eleven are exempt from testing. He must finally present asworn statement attesting to the absence of symptoms of Covid-19 infection and contact with a confirmed case of Covid-19; a sworn undertaking to undergo the antigen test or the biological examination which will be carried out on arrival in mainland France; a pledge on honor to self-isolate for seven days and a pledge on honor to undergo a virological screening biological examination (PCR) at the end of the isolation period.
On another page it states........
Orange Countries - Of which we are one.
If you are vaccinated:
upon boarding, each traveller aged 11 years or older must present a negative PCR test taken less than 72 hours before the flight or a negative antigenic test taken less than 48 hours before the flight.
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In reply to Post #609
Check link in edited post!
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In reply to Post #608
I would absolutely bow to your superior knowledge Richard as you live in France and are far more informed than us that don't. I have checked several sites but can't see any mention of the test being no longer required just that ' From 9 June, fully vaccinated people from EU or Schengen Associated Countries will not be subject to testing or isolation requirements'. Can you possibly point us in the right direction with a link? As i stated before it would be great news practically and financially if you are correct .
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In reply to Post #607
You are wrong, I live iYou are wrong, the need for a negative test has been removed, as stated. Take a look at the French government Website.
But what do I know, I only live in France!
Link: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/conseils-par-pays-destination/royaume-uni/
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The french government haven't removed that need it is still required. What they have removed is the requirement for an
'essential reason' to travel. it is still necessary to have had two jabs and a negative pcr test within 72 hours or a negative antigen test within 48 hours of travel. see:- https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-19-Rules-for-travel-to-and-from-France. note also the curfew has been completely lifted from today.
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In reply to Post #604
Would love interested if you could post a link to that information Richard . I hope your right , but think you might be getting confused with a “ Green “ rated country . The U.K. is currently rated “ Amber “ by the French and requires a negative PCR or Antigen before entry ..
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In reply to Post #604
That's interesting. Where did you read that as the Gov website and eurotunnel site still say you need the 72hr PCR or 48hr Antigen test even if fully vaccinated? Hope it's true as will save a bit more money that will dilute the extortionate bait costs
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In reply to Post #600
The French government have removed the need for a negative covid test to enter France on the basis that you have had both vaccines and sign a form to confirm you have no symptoms. At least someone is showing some common sense.
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In reply to Post #599
And isolate for 10 days when you return to UK. 
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In reply to Post #596
It's been like that since the 9th, as long as you have a negative test before entering and tests on return to England
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In reply to Post #597
it is the strain... uk was first in vaccinations and it is only logical that virus will mutate and change there the most to survive and spread again... pure biology...
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I believe in the metro this morning France have said you can come in (U.K.) if you’ve had the two jabs
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In reply to Post #594
Will be interesting to see if France will "allow" people from uk entering France for long as approximately 90% of cases in UK are now "fast" spreading delta version of virus compering to only 2% in France.
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In reply to Post #593
I think the government’s strategy is to make it difficult and costly to travel to try and put as many people off from going as possible at the moment
Amber status leaves it at the discretion of the individual but they know the 10 day quarantine and testing costs will put off the majority of working class folks who just can’t work from home or don’t have the money for tests
I can work from home during quarantine and will fork out for the tests as I really don’t want to miss yet another french trip.
My worry is that France will put us on their red list as our government put France on the green list given the massive reduction in cases over there compared to our ever increasing volumes. It’ll be just my luck!
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Or give us the option
Isolate when coming home and skip testing
Or
Take the a test when you get back and be allowed to skip isolation IF negative.
But agreed, you'll still be allowed out to get tested and still allowed to go shopping for your essentials so most of it is just for tracking and money making
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In reply to Post #591
They are posted to you with the idea that you self administer, my wife's day 2 test arrived on day 4! And who is to say it's actually you that has done the test and not somebody else? It's a load of ********.
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Forgive me for being thick or missing a point but if you are self-isolating, which is compulsory if returning from amber list countries, how are you expected to get out and about to get your 2 & 8 days tests?
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In reply to Post #588
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In reply to Post #588
Yeah, heard that announcement this morning - I guess we might hear more next Thursday when they plan to make their next travel announcement.....
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In reply to Post #587
One possible move in the right direction being mooted at the moment is that the UK may drop the need for returning travelers to quarantine if they have had both inoculations. Fingers crossed that it is more than a false hope.
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In reply to Post #586
'Situation in France has changed 10 days earlier than forecasted by the government thanks to great data results.
Curfew ends en Sunday morning. No masks needed in the street anymore all over France. 🎉🙏
Everything back to normal' - Pascale at Goncourt Complex.
Bet it won't be Green when reviewed in a weeks time!!!!
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In reply to Post #585
It is a cash cow and absolutely disgusting. It cost my wife £400 in tests etc to return to the UK recently whilst the test in France cost nothing. All this despite her having had 2 vaccines.
There's always big profits to be made from misery and a definite suggestion that Boris and his cronies want to keep people in the UK so they can spend money there.
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Info I have gathered on t' net:
The processing costs by the labs average £20.
PCR core systems cost around 60p each***. The swab & tube packages suitable for Covid are around 90p***
£21.50 for the whole procedure***.
Talk about profiting from disaster, Spivs were arrested for less during WWII.
*** Depending on amount ordered and source.
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In reply to Post #583
Stop all travel until everything is resolved (if ever), then all of this red tape, confusion, rip offs and genuine complaining by most of us will stop, until then we have to grin and bear it!!
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In reply to Post #581
They are also playing the let's make a price hit the cheap end of the government list and then when you check..... Plus vat, plus delivery, plus dinner money for a night out!
One I looked at started at about £90 and then became £130 or so AFTER filling in all your details!!!!
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In reply to Post #580
Some people are making a lot of money doing the private tests......shocking!
The same test one wanted to charge me £135 and £185 for the other 1.
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In reply to Post #574
I looked at boots before and not many places doing the the in store testing.
The postal test at £65 isn't very cheap but is an option
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Book online at Boots, £60
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In reply to Post #574
Thanks for the info
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In reply to Post #575
Thanks thats useful
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In reply to Post #575
Night time Curfew ending in France this Sunday. Masks not required outside from Thursday.
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In reply to Post #574
Randox health are doing all 3test for £144
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In reply to Post #573
Which - the consumer rights company have a good information resource for testing and who does the cheapest. A lot of the discounts have been secured by travel companies and you need to have a booking reference to take advantage of these offers
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/06/where-can-i-get-a-covid-19-pcr-or-antigen-private-test-to-go-on-holiday/
For us independent travellers Boots seem to offer all you need at a reasonable price
They do the PCR and Antigen tests both in store and via post.
I’ll take the cheaper antigen test on the way out as it’s still valid for travel to France
https://www.boots.com/covid-19-testing
Hope people find these useful?
Bryan
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In reply to Post #569
When my wife came back to the UK for a visit she didn't receive her day 2 test until day 3 or 4! Farcical.
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In reply to Post #565
Exactly my interpretation Jim.
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In reply to Post #568
No vaccine is 100% effective so guess you nead to still test on the way back in.
Yes they do check you have got your tests booked on the way back.
This is at the tunnel the wife saw some one with a NHS covid test turned away on the way out.
Shop around for the tests as not all the places on the government list charge the same.
Especially if doing 2 5 and 8 day package.
They are calling to check you are at home at least once a day.
Funny thing is nobody that calls or at 119 know if your test is positive or negative when they speak to you.
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In reply to Post #567
UK has got to pay for furlough some how?
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In reply to Post #565
My thoughts exactly, Jim. There's more than a fiddle going on here...it's a bloody great orchestra!
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In reply to Post #564
It's not too bad to sort by the looks of it once you know what's needed when.
I guess the 2 and 8 day test is just to ensure they've covered the incubation period, you could potentially catch it after the French test and / or on the way home......
However, why make you take a 2 and 8 day test if you have to isolate for 10 days anyway....... (unless taking the 5 day test too which probably gets you out on day 7/8) I guess better safe than sorry
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In reply to Post #564
I think that Boris is playing politics over this as he wants to keep everyone spending their money at home. People with full inoculation protection and a negative test before they leave for home are being treated appallingly by then being made to quarantine for 10 days and pay for two more tests. Either the inoculations work and the tests are reliable or we are all wasting our time.
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In reply to Post #563
Many thanks, mate. Sounds a bloody complicated affair. As read it you have to present a negative test before leaving France then two more tests in the UK (2 & 8 day) when you get home. So are they saying they don't trust the French tests or is it that you may have got infected on the boat coming home?
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In reply to Post #562
I've put a link a few posts back to the government official providers list that shows sample prices. Best to book a couple weeks in advance if possible as that gives you more choice, some only do x amount to ensure they can cope with the turnaround times.
You need to have them booked before coming back to the uk as you'll need the references for the passenger locator form which must be done before travelling home.
My favourite at the moment are the post packs, they mail to you and you mail back.
Nhs not acceptable I guess because they don't want to subsidise private travel or its just a way of gaining lots of ££££ for all the testing
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Where are you peeps getting your tests done.
Do the 2 & 8 day tests have to be booked well in advance and how are these carried out?
Do we have to show proof of booking at Passport Control
Tnx
(Just out of interestl (no politiics please) why aren't NHS home tests acceptable? Wes self test every week and submit our results to the NHS, who then provide email confirmation tthat our self tests were negative. Surely that should be enough to satisfy border controls on both sides of the Channel.)
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In reply to Post #553
Whats Macron got to do with importing bait into the EU, the UK and the EU made the terms of the withdrawal agreement, with Both sides agreeing and signing it.
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In reply to Post #33
Indeed yes, all drifted away from the actual fishing side of things! It is simple: If you have hade 2 vaccines and have proof coupled with a negative test prior to entry in to France there is no problem.
The ******** is the money making tests and quarantine when you get back to the UK.
Do these vaccines work or not Boris, why the need to quarantine on return to the UK and pay for all the tests?
Somebody is making a fortune out of this much hyped *****!
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In reply to Post #555
From I can gather the curfew between 11pm and 6am does not allow travel for tourism, fishing, etc. The list of exemptions really leaves no room for maneuver , There is a further easing of restrictions planned for the end of June when the Curfew may be totally lifted.
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In reply to Post #554
Did rules on curfew also change now? Is long distance drive during the night on motorway possible or is it still 23-6 ban?
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In reply to Post #553
What's he done to upset you?
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I’m sad to say but my french fishing days are over......I refuse to pay a penny to their economy with that **** Macron in charge!!!
Ref bait - Lots of people on FB are making trips with bait and no issues.......most are using the train though.......
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In reply to Post #540
well, other than bait the beans and teabags are allowed
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In reply to Post #550
It is no surprise that the possible new date for opening up the UK is likely to be July 18 or thereabouts as it is when schools break up for summer holidays. There is no doubt that when the UK and Europe reach about 60% double inoculations then the decision will be taken to start ending restrictions, lockdowns etc. Covid is not going away and will be something that we will have to live with for the foreseeable future. If the traditional holiday season is lost for the second year running then Governments will be faced with huge business losses and resulting unemployment in area's that are totally dependent on tourism. I know that as a French lake owner the loss of what could be two seasons income will see many venues unable to continue. Despite remarks made but odd individuals in this forum the vast majority of commercial fisheries over here are not sitting on pots of money made by fleecing poor anglers. The truth is that the vast majority are family run business's that manage to live from season to season comfortably in normal years but are now finding the situation extremely difficult. The same applies to the many gite business's, hotels and guest houses throughout the UK and Europe. No one could have predicted that this year would have been worse than last year but that is how it is panning out. I suggest that a 'covid passport' will be the key to foreign travel in the future so the importance of having both jabs is imperative if you want to travel. Already France has gone down that route with the border open to fully vaccinated people with the major obstacle being the quarantine needed on return to the UK.
There is much being written about bringing bait and food into France and talking to a handful of individuals that have made the trip I will share the findings. Vehicles have been checked physically and also scanned. Things such as tinned products and sealed boxes of tea bags not being targeted although the feelings are that fresh food and bait is very likely to be a real no no. People will take the chance and some will get through ok however others will find themselves financially penalized and possibly have their holiday ruined. I see all sorts of comments regarding this basically making the assumption that the French are just playing hard ball due to Brexit. Not true. These rules have been in play for decades regarding non EU countries and now that we are one we will be subject to the same rules. To break them is illegal and classified as smuggling and the consequences are really not worth the risk.
At the end of the day non of the above is as important as peoples lives so take care, get inoculated and look forward to coming over to France..........sometime. lol
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In reply to Post #549
What you said....... And...... The increase in testing especially the surge testing they have been doing in a few specific areas where the India variant has popped up
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In reply to Post #548
As said on here many times, vaccines don't prevent infection but rather limit the level of illness preventing hospitalisation and death. They seem to be achieving that although small rises have occurred.
On average there are 600 hospital admissions per day for bowel cancer, yesterday there were 32 Covid admissions.
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In reply to Post #547
Thing I don't get is the UK has vaccinated so many more people than any other country in Europe. France is a similar population. We've double jabbed twice as many people......yet our infection rate is now more than double the likes of France, Spain etc. It's 12 times more than Portugal who they moved onto the amber list! If, as we have been brainwashed into thinking,vaccines are the way out if this......why do we now have such a high infection rate?
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In reply to Post #538
That would all depend on ones perception of "worth"
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In reply to Post #545
This is a government approved list for the return day 2 and 8 tests
https://www.find-travel-test-provider.service.gov.uk/test-type/amber
Lots of these also do the fit to travel tests but due to time restraints I presume, they are more expensive
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Any talking to a medic at work his friend went back to Nigeria and he paid for a test online £50 and they just sent him a certificate
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In reply to Post #537
He got it done in a pharmacy for less than 40 quid.
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In reply to Post #542
Some will, some won't. Just like taking any other contraband across. You weigh up the pros and cons.
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Officialy but it seems that people are and not getting checked
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In reply to Post #540
You can't take bait.
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In reply to Post #536
So now, if you're lucky, and meet a kind / lazy French customs official, you can take beans, teabags and bait to France.
Talk about 'taking back control'.
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In reply to Post #538
Why?
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In reply to Post #537
Ffs how much meither do you all require before you decide that a week or 2 in France really isn't worth it right now .....madness
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In reply to Post #536
Where did he get the test done and how much please?
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In reply to Post #529
Travel to Franc from the UK is permitted for any reason providing you have had both jabs and a antigen test. I had an angler arrive today with no issues at all and even brought us some cases of baked beans and teabags that were seen but not a problem.
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In reply to Post #532
Only difference is 72hrs for PCR and 48hrs for Antigen
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In reply to Post #531
A PCR or antigen test is acceptable for travel to France for vaccinated individuals.
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In reply to Post #530
Thanks for that, I have passed the link on to my brother-in-law, lets hope things only get easier.
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In reply to Post #529
The rules were changed today by France, completely vaccinated people from the uk can travel to France without any reason as long as they get a pre travel negative test
There are a few links confirming this already but here's the latest official notice from the uk government site
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/entry-requirements
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In reply to Post #514
I'm confused. I live in france and cannot go to the UK to see my family unless there is a very good reason, death etc?, French rules. The Uk requirements for a visit are another matter, not relevant here.
My brother-in-law who lives in the UK has a second home in france and cannot come because he does not meet one of the 13 conditions to be able to come. He has had 2 jabs but cannot come. Leisure travel from the UK to France does not appear to be allowed (by the french), so what do you know that I don't. I'm not trying to be funny because I'm sure that everyone wants to know the answer to this one.
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In reply to Post #506
That is certainly my view, after all, brex****, covid and the cost (eventually to the taxpayer) of course there will be a desire to reduce stirling being spent overseas by a large proportion of holidaymakers, especially to the eu. Nothing better in the treasuries eyes to retain it and tax it.. Same as with testing..
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In reply to Post #526
UK has higher daily infections than France and most other EU countries now.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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In reply to Post #525
I'll be looking to book mine a few weeks in advance for all of the tests
Will sort the return home one in France once there
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In reply to Post #524
Book your day 2 and 8 tests well in advance
I felt there were various risks to me actually getting into France so decided to book them while I was over there. It wasn’t a problem but the cheapest 5 providers were sold out for the days of my return so I had to pay a little bit more
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In reply to Post #523
If they're nhs test kits then they're no use for travel anyway
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In reply to Post #519
Thankfully, ive got a full box of Lateral Flow tests here as i deal with apprenticeships as an approved government provider then
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Not sure it needs a separate thread but it may be worth a mod posting a sticky at the top of here with maybe places to purchase / get tests and the prices
I've looked at a few of the government approved providers today in preparation and for me, the below seems the best option (there was one cheaper but currently requires an approx 30-40 min drive from mine to drop off the tests for return)
Anyway, for £81 this place will send you a day 2 and 8 test kit with prepaid return royal mail packs that you simply drop in your nearest priority mailbox (these can be searched for) and I have one at the end of my road!
https://www.rtdiagnostics.co.uk/product/day-2-8-test/
Now to find a cheaper fit to travel test, but these seem to be comfortably over £50 currently and I'm fed up of trawling test sites for today lol
Ps priority postbox search, just tick the box for show my nearest priority boxes
https://www.royalmail.com/services-near-you#/
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In reply to Post #520
As i suggested half way through this thread, perhaps we should have a seperate thread for those that have successfully been and returned to France. What tests they had and when, what paperwork, any challenges they got, cheapest government website found for all the tests including day 5 early release, how long for tests to be turned around etc etc?
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In reply to Post #515
Still a licence to print money then !
FFs !
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In reply to Post #518
I have looked all over the Web and can not find any supply of LF Test that you send off for results.
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In reply to Post #517
You can do a NHS LFT test at home and when you report the result you get an email back confirming whatever the result is. It should be enough but its a significant risk turning up at the tunnel with it and getting turned away. There is no test facility there so you would be buggered.
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In reply to Post #516
What I don't understand is why it states you can not use a NHS facility for LF Test . I am not really sure what that has to do with the French Government, I can go to a drop in center and get the results email to me for Free
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In reply to Post #515
Agreed. I checked and found the same as confirmed for example on the eurotunnel website. A self test doesn't have any validity or confirmation from someone 'official' (although there are very obvious ways around this anyway)
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In reply to Post #514
As far as I am aware the fit to travel test has to be via one of the approved Gov suppliers resulting in a negative certificate. It can be a LFT but still needs to be sent off via post/courier.
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In reply to Post #513
So from today .. if your double vacinated you can head back to France without an exceptional reason .
Perhaps someone who’s gone / going could answer this ... you still have to have either a PCR test ( 72 hours out ) or an Antigen test ( 48 hours out ) . Can that Antigen test be a self test rapid one ?
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In reply to Post #512
Shows its more political than medical.
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In reply to Post #511
It's amazing to think that the UK put Portugal on the amber list. Portugal's case numbers are SEVEN times less than the UK's over the past fortnight.
It stinks.
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In reply to Post #510
Both the semi finals and final are being played at Wembley, I saw a news report the other day that UEFA want restrictions lifted. The only reason why Portugal was in the green zone was so people from the UK could go to the Champions League final like Michael Grove, Clarkson ect and not have to self isolate on their return. Michael Grove had to leave a meeting a few days later as he was told he had come in contact with somebody that tested positive.
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In reply to Post #508
That isn't going to happen, is it??
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In reply to Post #506
Don't think so Phil but I could be wrong! Not sure we can cope with any more tourists down in Cornwall this year, it won't just be Newquay Beach enjoying waves this Winter, it will be us Cornish residents, send everybody abroad, I would go 2moro!!
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In reply to Post #506
Of course it is if they allow football fans to come in with no restrictions for the Euro's it will go to show that even more.
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If it was about saving lives and a pandemic they wouldn’t let you travel full stop. Instead they let you travel but just tax you for it.
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Is this a ploy by the government so people will have a staycation so to get the economy moving faster ?
It wouldn’t surprise me
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In reply to Post #504
By the way shop around for your returning pcr tests.
Different companies on the government list are charging quite different amounts.
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In reply to Post #502
100%
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In reply to Post #502
This all sounds way to sensible guys
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In reply to Post #501
Yep agreed again, made it legal and then start stuttering out that we shouldn't be going etc..... Then put Portugal on green, oops lots went, let's make it amber again and slow them all down!
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In reply to Post #500
No problem my end mate.
Personally I think the government is doing everything it can to put people off walking through the open door to going abroad without actually banning it.
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In reply to Post #498
Sorry, I misunderstood, i thought you wasn't sure why someone would book the day 8 test
But agreed 100 %, if we are forced to pay for 2 tests then make it day 2 and 5 and let's get on with it. I understand they are likely just being cautious in case it takes that long (8 days) to show a positive result
Or a cynical person would just think the government are trying to rake in some money some way
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In reply to Post #486
The phone is traced.
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In reply to Post #497
I know Andy, I've been doing it every 12 weeks as I work overseas.
My point is, why bother if you can break quarantine after a day 2 & 5 test.
Scrap the 2 & 8 and replace it with a 2 & 5
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In reply to Post #496
Unfortunately the day 2 and 8 tests have to be booked before coming back to the uk and the booking reference used on your passenger locator form
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If Day 2 and 5 tests are good enough to come out of quarantine, why bother with day 8
Just have a day 2 & 5 test, and break quarantine after the day 5 result if Negative
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In reply to Post #494
madness mate
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In reply to Post #487
Probably should have pointed out that was him and his wife so just over three calls a day each over the ten day period which I suppose is to be expected if it is been done properly.
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In reply to Post #491
Maybe the fact Serco pays NHS track and trace workers £9.50 an hour but the government pay Serco £21.50 an hour might have something to do with it😂
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In reply to Post #491
Crackers
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In reply to Post #490
Correct, as mad as it sounds.....
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In reply to Post #488
Same as John, once a day.
I'm still trying to figure out the 5 day early release farce, i.e:
"Travellers can still use the Test to Release for international travel scheme, which allows you to take an additional PCR test on day 5 of quarantine. If your day 2 and day 5 (Test to Release) test results are negative, you can end your quarantine period. However, you still need to take the second Travel Testing Package test on or after day 8 to check that you do not have coronavirus".
Basically, have your day 2 & 5 day tests, both Negative so you can break quarantine, but then have another test on day 8 to make sure???
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In reply to Post #486
Exactly. 😉
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In reply to Post #487
I’m currently quarantining. They are calling me once a day. If I miss the call, they may call later in the day, they may not.
My day 2 test result was negative which hasn’t changed the level of calls
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In reply to Post #483
7 calls a day 
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In reply to Post #483
Leave your phone at home. Use another while you are out😂
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In reply to Post #484
It does seem rather excessive to me, seems over zealous.
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In reply to Post #483
That can amount to harassment!!
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In reply to Post #482
Have a friend whose quarantine period finished today having returned from his property in America to his property here in the UK. In the 10 day quarantine period he has had 68 calls from NHS test and trace so at least something is working!!!!!!!!!
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In reply to Post #481
Quite possibly. I have only spoken to my medical insurer provider and they advised I would not be covered based upon FCDO advise.
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In reply to Post #480
If I chose to ignore government advice and go to France 🇫🇷
I have been told my vehicle breakdown insurance, my car insurance and medical insurance is not valid as I have decided to ignore the government advice.
Is this correct?
Below is the extract from the government website
"The FCDO advises against all but essential travel to the whole of France based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks".
Cheers Mike
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In reply to Post #478
Yes thanks Jim, assumed it would be the case. Just the remortgage for the PCR tests to negotiate now
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In reply to Post #478
Good news, my 3rd July trip is starting to look a lot more like it will happen
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In reply to Post #476
If you have had both vaccinations Ashley then you can come to France without a compelling reason. That is the latest announcement.
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In reply to Post #474
Just for you😂
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-to-reopen-borders-on-june-9-for-travellers-from-third-countries/
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In reply to Post #470
Interesting to see it states you can use an Antigen test from within 48 hrs as well as a PCR test to enter France from June 9th which is significantly cheaper. Still stupid money for the Day2 + 8 PCR and Day 5 if you want early release on return.
It is a bit confusing though as in the narrative it states 'Vaccinated visitors from “orange” countries – including the United States and Britain – will no longer need to quarantine on arrival and will no longer have to justify the reasons for their trip to France. They will, however, be asked for a negative PCR test no older than 72 hours or a negative antigen test of no more than 48 hours.' Immediately below that in the ORANGE section it states you would need a compelling reason to enter for those vaccinated or unvaccinated????
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In reply to Post #473
Cheers Ken. France also vaccinated 748,001 yesterday so going in the right direction.
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In reply to Post #473
France24 is often not the most accurate of news platforms. You can see the amber category they use in their graphic still shows you need a compelling reason to travel.
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In reply to Post #463
The next wave is already happening in the UK.... we'll see how the EU copes in the next few weeks.
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France is still in the amber category? Holidays are not an option atm, the uk advice is to only travel for work or emergency health/family reasons. This is regardless of France's entry requirements.
When France is in the green category it'll be time to go. Their numbers of infections has dropped quite well so it does look promising atm but will the Indian variant now take hold and produce another wave of Covid?...
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In reply to Post #469
But from June 9 you no longer need a compelling reason if you've had your vaccine.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210604-france-reopens-for-foreign-tourists-but-with-conditions
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In reply to Post #466
I do remain positive though, but it will be a very long time before this situation is sorted. I am eager to go to Spain or Portugal tomorrow (to play golf) or even France (fishing), not affected by work (being retired) or quarantine rules, but can I describe it as essential travel, how do I justify that, topping up my cigar cabinet that doesn't work, thanks to Brexit!
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In reply to Post #467
I imagine it is showing the rules in place for travel at the moment and It will update nearer to 9th June.
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In reply to Post #439
I've just looked on the official French Diplomacy website and it still states that you need a compelling reason to travel. I don't know if there is a lag to updates on the site, but with UK cases now rising significantly again with the latest variant, its difficult to see any possible relaxing of entry restrictions for the UK being long lived...
Who knows, the situation changes so quickly is impossible to second guess. I now hold no realistic hopes of going to France this year, on terms that are acceptable to me.
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In reply to Post #464
It's not ideal David but those who wish to travel can and will work through the rules.
I appreciate you look on the downside of things but some of us remain positive.👍
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In reply to Post #451
Tell him to go to a vaccine centre late afternoon and have one of the spares. The govt want us to have two jabs sharpish I’m sure he will have some luck
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In reply to Post #463
I am thinking that eventually a Covid (inoculation) passport will become the norm for international travel. This disease is not going away that's for sure.
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In reply to Post #462
Whole system is a complete shambles, 1 country says this, your country of residence says something different, should be simplified (everywnere) green you can go/come and red you cannot. It won't matter soon as another wave seems to be on the cards and hopefully they will shut down all international travel soon.
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Slightly off topic but when a guy at work tested positive for Covid he was ordered home and the guys working with him was also sent home and to get themselves tested.
The company excepted the NHS test results only one guy done a private test which was negative but was refused entry to site until he had the nhs one.
So some will except the nhs and some won’t (over here anyway)
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In reply to Post #459
I think most of us are aware of the hoops for returning..just discussing the new news of requiring a pcr or antigen test before going to France
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In reply to Post #459
Eurotunnel guidance states a non NHS PCR or antigen test. P & O ferries state a PCR test only so they are not very consistent.
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Please also don't forget that you will need a PCR to re-enter the UK so you will also need to track down a clinic when you're out there.
The good news is that they're free.
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Private PCR tests are the ONLY accepted tests that will allow you access. I went through all this a few weeks ago to see my son in France.
If you want to read about the trials of returning back to the UK, check out my Passenger Location Form thread.
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In reply to Post #456
To be fair, they may not be accepted....
Eurotunnel for example may not let you board if they think the nhs test is not acceptable
https://help.eurotunnel.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360016717137-What-are-the-testing-requirements-to-travel
Edit thinking about it, i presume the main issue with the nhs rapid test is that it gives no official paperwork to prove it is you that took it (although I guess anyone could do your swabs!)
Eurotunnel won't accept
https://help.eurotunnel.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360016717137-What-are-the-testing-requirements-to-travel
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In reply to Post #455
Great find
I was told that LFT were not suitable for access into France .
Thanks for the link.
Edit I’m sure I read previously that NHS test results could not be used as proof to allow you to travel.
Read so many messages on various platforms I’m frazzled
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I would hope it will count, seems to be an antigen test as asked for
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understanding-lateral-flow-antigen-testing-for-people-without-symptoms
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In reply to Post #448
Just been looking into this myself .
I have a feeling that NHS lateral flow tests will not be good enough and you will need to buy a private one and send off for written confirmation. IE boots etc.
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In reply to Post #452
The link posted below states an antigen test prior to entry
Those who are vaccinated against COVID-19 with one of the vaccines approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) are only required to present a PCR test taken in the last 72 hours or an antigen test taken in the last 48 hours upon their arrival in France.
Edit ps thanks hitman, may need some guinea pigs to try it, but I'm sure some had travelled recently before they locked us out by using a lateral flow
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In reply to Post #448
PCR and LFT are both antigen tests. An antibody test is a different thing.
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In reply to Post #449
For those had 2 jabs I am ok but 1 lad in our party hasn't hopefully will be lifted by the time we go for his sake
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I would say no Andy
I get tested twice a week with these rapid tests from a proper medic and I asked the very same question and the answer was NO
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In reply to Post #446
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-to-reopen-borders-on-june-9-for-travellers-from-third-countries/
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Ps anyone know if the nhs rapid flow home tests count as the antigen test needed to get into France?
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In reply to Post #445
I read it the same way, a test before entering to prove negative then the normal uk rules for returning home
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In reply to Post #445
I have looked at a few reports on french news site and that is what I am reading Ken as of 9th if you have had both vacination and a negative test you can travel
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as far as I can tell this is good news!
We've had both jabs and we do LF testing once a week and we have always been clear so in effect (according to the link) we can go back to France and travel far and wide therein. OK we may have to self isolate for 10 days when we get back but as we are both retired this is not a problem...
Unless I am readign this (link) wrong.
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In reply to Post #443
There is a new welsh variant let's see them knobs in Westminster try to pronounce this one
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
And that is a real place
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In reply to Post #442
Let's just hope.it is true and gets confirmed as I can work.from home for 10 days one of the lucky.ones
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In reply to Post #440
That's not a problem for many of us that work from home, especially when the alternative may be losing a trip that's been booked for almost 3 years
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In reply to Post #440
i know, but for those going or planning to go it will be a bit easier once there
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Yes but this government has put it onto the amber list so you must isolate when you return
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from the daily mail just now
British people who are fully vaccinated against Coronavirus will be able to enter France with proof of a negative antigen test from next week and do not need a 'compelling reason' to be in the country
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9651743/France-allow-fully-vaccinated-Britons-holidays-June-9.html
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In reply to Post #435
Absolutely spot on.
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In reply to Post #435
This is diappointing as it was looking so good a few weeks ago..... the numbers of hospital admissions and deaths over the next few weeks will either delay or endorse further unlocking.......
But this data can be manipulated to fit the narrative of the government. They can put the emphasis on infection or death or hospitalisation. If we are working purely on the original philosophy of keep the NHS and health service from being overwhelmed then the hospitalisation numbers are good....same for deaths. However if a government wishes to maintain the fear factor, infection rates will be their go to weapon of choice to keep the public terrified of stepping outside their front doors. We've seen it time and again. Moving goal posts and pushing the figures they want. Who can forget the charts showing how well we were doing compared to other countries back at the begining of the pandemic and then, mysteriously, the day our death total hit the highest in Europe we announced it wasn't helpful to publish data comparing ourselves with other countries and that then stopped. Yet come vaccine roll out, we are comparing ourselves with our close neighbors again😂. So predictable.
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In reply to Post #435
Damn you talk some dribble
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In reply to Post #433
What matters is hospital admissions and fatalities alongside controlled low numbers of infections.....
It looks like we can expect the final unlocking of restrictions to be pushed back as the following is required....
1 The vaccine deployment programme continues successfully.
2 Evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently effective in reducing hospitalisations and deaths in those vaccinated.
3 Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospitalisations which would put unsustainable pressure on the NHS.
4 Our assessment of the risks is not fundamentally changed by new Variants of Concern.
If willing hosts continue to let the numbers of infections rise and this leads to hospitalisation of the willing hosts then we can expect lockdown to be extended and if required reversed.
You can thank the anti vaccine peeps and the people that are spreading it willingly by ignoring willfully or by accident the guidance. This is not the fault anyone else but the willing hosts of the virus....
So... I think the idea of a trip to France needs to be delayed for a couple of months at the minimum...... This isn't over yet...
This is diappointing as it was looking so good a few weeks ago..... the numbers of hospital admissions and deaths over the next few weeks will either delay or endorse further unlocking
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In reply to Post #71
Edited, replied to very old post by mistake !
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In reply to Post #432
I wasn't being negative at all, just responding and agreeing to the previous posters comment....
"So the best bet is to get as many people vaccinated as fast as possible to reduce the numbers of infections.
Once we get a variant that bypasses vaccinations countries will have no choice but to impose draconian levels of control on peoples liberties until a solution is found - think - lockdowns with no end date in sight....
So be good and get your vaccine when offered it or it's available to you upon request."
Until that happens we will go round in ever decreasing circles!!
Nobody can argue about the vaccination effort in the UK, awesome, most other places impressive and other places... worrying, roll on the Olympics and Japans vaccination statistics...that is very worrying!! What will that variant be called ..the Jedi variant?
Great news that there were no, well no reported deaths yesterday, it will be interesting to see how many reported tomorrow compared to last week. The number of cases yesterday as far as I can backtrack on was about a 40% increase on the same time last week, so no reason to feel positive.
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In reply to Post #431
Don't be so negative. Zero deaths today, the vaccination roll out is going really well.
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In reply to Post #430
Good advice but sadly many thousands of people will opt out!!
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In reply to Post #429
This will continue for as long as the virus is allowed to spread through society by willing human hosts and there's a bigger chance of more dangerous mutations the more it's allowed to spread.
So the best bet is to get as many people vaccinated as fast as possible to reduce the numbers of infections.
Once we get a variant that bypasses vaccinations countries will have no choice but to impose draconian levels of control on peoples liberties until a solution is found - think - lockdowns with no end date in sight....
So be good and get your vaccine when offered it or it's available to you upon request.
Vaccination = massively reduced chance of catching it - if you do catch it your very unlikely to get it badly and your much less likely to pass it onto others. You do all you can to protect yourself and all the people around you, your kids would prefer to have their parents and grandparents around after all and of course youngsters can die from it as well and you would not want to live with that guilt all your life would you??.
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In reply to Post #428
After this Vietnamese variant we'll have Nigerian, Bolivian, Cambodian......followed by Saharan. 😂😊😂. Does anyone believe the BS anymore?
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In reply to Post #427
Things are getting funky 😂 new india-uk combo discovered 😂.
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In reply to Post #426
Doesn't apply to uk. France have banned all non essential travel from the UK.
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In reply to Post #425
Useful post Barry, thanks.
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In reply to Post #424
Pretty sure their next review is as follows:
June 9
The curfew will be pushed back to 23:00
Bars, cafés and restaurants will be able to reopen indoor spaces - maximum of six people per table.
Gyms and sports halls will be reopened and the range of outdoor contact sports and non-contact indoor sports allowed will be expanded.
The work-from-home rule will be relaxed.
Gatherings of no more than 1,000 people allowed.
5,000 people will be allowed at cultural or sporting events with a health pass.
Foreign tourists will be allowed to enter France with a health pass.
WITH REGARD TO THE 'HEALTH PASS' FOR FOREIGN TOURISTS MENTIONED ABOVE I HAVE FOUND THIS INFO:
France started easing its third national lockdown last week with people once more allowed to travel across the country.
The next phase is scheduled for May 19. On that day, the nighttime curfew will be pushed back by two hours to run from 9 pm to 6 am, outdoor drinking and dining will be allowed and cultural venues including cinemas, theatres, and museums will reopen.
On June 9, capacity at cultural and sporting events will be increased to 5,000, large gatherings including exhibitions and fairs will be allowed to proceed and foreign tourists will be free to visit.
But this will be dependent on the health pass.
France has already launched a health pass allowing its citizens and residents who have either been vaccinated, have recovered from the disease or have tested negative over the previous 72 hours to travel to the country's overseas territories.
The government has said that it will be easily convertible when the European Union's version launches. The Digital Green Certificate, which aims to facilitate free movement within the 27-country bloc, is expected to be made available in June.
The EU has also indicated that foreigners who have been fully inoculated with vaccines recognised by the European Medicines Agency should be allowed to enter the bloc.
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In reply to Post #423
Anyone know how often the French look at their restrictions
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In reply to Post #422
Correct. Government ministers shouldn't tell lies but........
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In reply to Post #420
Shouldn't? You mean the government would prefer it if he hadn't, not breaking any laws so it was fine to go
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In reply to Post #420
Maybe he is working
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In reply to Post #419
But still shouldn't have been travelling to an amber country for leisure purposes.
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In reply to Post #418
But he went to rainbow before the 31 May so didn’t need an “essential reason” to travel. The rules seem to be changing from Monday and getting stricter so I doubt he would be going if his trip had been booked for next week.
I am due at rainbow myself at the beginning of July but if the rules coming into play on Monday are still in force, I doubt we will go.
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In reply to Post #417
Seen elsewhere that Simon Crow has commented how tough his week on Rainbow has been and the trip will be documented in his next vlog. Some anglers are obviously managing the problems and getting over there although he did say the testing has cost around £400☹️
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In reply to Post #416
Just had this sent from the gov.uk web link ref french travel this got nothing to do with covid all about Brexit so if you are in the EU you can travel from the uk to france what a joke
Summary
Still current at:From 31 May, travel to France from the UK is only permitted for EU nationals, French residents, or those travelling for essential reasons. (Entry requirements)
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In reply to Post #415
It doesn't and unless they all have an 'essential reason' to be travelling to France after 31/5/2021 they will be turned away at the border anyway !
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In reply to Post #412
Not sure about that, so 20 anglers booked on a lake in France give the same address i.e. the lake, how does that fit into a quarantine address??
Please provide more info to back up your 2nd sentence, sure a lot of customers and lake operators would welcome that!
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In reply to Post #412
Not anymore. From 31st May in addition to needing a negative PCR or Antigen test within 48 hours (previously 72 hours) to enter France, you also need an 'essential reason' to travel to the country. My advice would be to clue up to avoid disappointment, unnecessary outlay and heartache !
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In reply to Post #412
Travel is for essential travel this isnt the case up till 31st may
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In reply to Post #411
Reading the link you still require a PCR test going out and back so what has changed? The 7 day quarantine has always been doable at the lake address.
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In reply to Post #410
Due out on 3rd july keeping everything crossed
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Was due out to Jurassica 2 tomorrow but had it moved to end of September now. 3rd time we have moved this booking since May 2020. Managed to shift ferry crossing for free this time but last time they charged us £60.
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In reply to Post #408
We've had our trip for 19th June cancelled... Gutted but moved to Nov so hopefully OK then
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In reply to Post #407
Hi Jim - fair play to you. Appreciate that it's a regularly-moving feast, so can't be easy to be accurate at any given point.
Best of luck to you - we all hope that this situation abates as soon as possible.
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In reply to Post #406
Yes, unfortunately that is correct unless you have a legitimate and compelling reason to visit, all travel to France is not possible from 31/5/2021 until further notice.
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In reply to Post #405
Looking at that it says essential travel only I thought the guidance was to isolate for a period of time if you travel so is it the case you cannot travel to france again during this period
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In reply to Post #402
I totally agree with your comments Keith and it is something we are very aware of. We have local testing centre arranged and even have a translator on standby for any issues. We also have arranged with an English butcher over here to deliver meat products direct to the lake for the anglers. Most of the lakes I am in regular contact with have also made arrangements to ensure ease of travel for their anglers. We have to accept that things are likely to be more difficult for many months to come and as lake owners we need to be proactive in ensuring the least hassle for our anglers.
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In reply to Post #401
Everyone's frustrated with the situation - goes without saying.
Just an observation - lake owners need to make it EASY for guys to travel and proactively deal with potential objections.
Example - we had a trip booked for three weeks ago, which we had to roll, due to it being illegal to travel at the time. However, in March, I asked the owner where we could get tested closeby. He didn't know. I asked him about us (effectively) quarantining at the lake - and could he get us food/beer and supply enough bait. No definite answer about food/water/beer.
The main issues for anglers are food/drink, bait and most importantly, not worrying about testing to return to the UK (ie the lake owner will take you to the test centre/pharmacy on the right day, and deal with any translation/issues etc). To go above and beyond, lake owners could offer to ensure all paperwork is in hand (passenger locators, attestations).
Just my view - there needs to be a level of proactivity, rather than leaving it to the (often confused) angler/party leader.
Edit - even a simple FAQ sent to the party leader covering the above would go a long way.
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In reply to Post #399
Yes I used to believe that, but talking to 2 baillifs and 2 lake owners these days I know they already know for 2-3 weeks in advance for June that they will have 50 to 0% people on the lake... so it is not like a friday evening cancellations are going on... Yes I do believe you are struggling but I also think that majority of owners are very passive when it comes to this. Looks like some want to keep reputation of full bookings and some just dont care or need to... That is purely my opinion and it is as it is. I also dont agree about established agents... Having bookings for some countries organized by agents doesnt prevent you to put a post on your fb page or your web site stating what is available and for how much... Now back to fishing, got my test booked so need to start packing for next week...
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In reply to Post #399
Well said Jim.
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In reply to Post #398
That really is a load of nonsense. When a lake has UK bookings and until the last minute actually expecting anglers to be coming over it would be a bit premature to start pushing for EU anglers. Also you must understand that most Dutch and German bookings for French lakes come via well established agents so no advertising would be seen. Whatever you like to think the truth of the matter is that lakes over here have had a torrid time for the past couple of years with a good 80% of income being lost. We can survive purely due to me pensions with a little contribution from the French Government but still are paying significant sums in maintenance, feeding carp, etc. A lot of lakes are suffering far more than us and there is no doubt that many are running up debt, borrowing from family and just toughing it out in the hope that things will improve sooner rather than later. I really get a bit fed up with posts from anglers who seem to believe that French fishery owners are rolling in dosh that they have sucked up from poor anglers. We are struggling fellah and many families are at risk of losing everything, business and home, if things continue like this. No sympathy asked for but a little understanding would go a long way.
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In reply to Post #397
I still havent seen any lake doing major advertising towards eu anglers... no last minute deals, no nothing and I know some lakes are empty... slowly starting to think things are not that bad for them...
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In reply to Post #396
Well, the wife and I live in SW France and have both had 2 vaccines. There is so much bull**** and suppression of the people, more so in the UK! There are loads of people coming over her to fish without issue, including bait and food, sorry it's all bull****. My wife is currently back in in the UK sorting some affairs and it is costing a small fortune for tests etc even though she has had 2 vaccinations! Money making racket for the privileged springs to mind!
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In reply to Post #395
They are playing it clever , pointing at Britain saying they are protecting France , when in fact their lack of speed in vaccination is more of a risk as there are more people walking around who have not had any jabs . My mate over there said it's pointed out all the time , but don't suit the narrative.
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In reply to Post #394
According to the Connexion newspaper, on the 20th May there were at least 80 confirmed cases of the Indian variant in France, all linked to travel to India. Methinks that France are playing politics.
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In reply to Post #393
Isn't it already in mainland Europe?
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In reply to Post #391
I understand that the quarantine is to try and stop the spread of the Indian variant which is now pretty established in the UK. Boris foolishly allowed flights from India in the hope of doing a trade deal with them and the consequences are now becoming apparent. The French quarantine is to try and stop the spread of this variant to mainland Europe which really is understandable even if it is also bloody annoying for the rest of us.
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In reply to Post #389
Not that I am aware but I am always open to accepting evidence that they are.
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In reply to Post #387
Bit of a joke france putting us in quarantine when these are their figures for today
France reports 13,933 new COVID cases and 142 deaths
It takes the total number of cases in the country to 5.63 million, an increase of 1.2% compared with a week ago when the total was revised down by nearly 350,000 cases to weed out double-counting of people who have been tested several times.
The seven-day moving average of new cases, which set a high of more than 42,000 in mid-April, fell further to 9,583, remaining below 10,000 for the second day in a row.
France registered 142 new coronavirus deaths in hospitals - a lower number than on Wednesday - but higher than a week ago.
The total COVID-19 death toll now stands at more than 109,000.
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In reply to Post #388
South Americans have been doing bus tours of Europe then flying in from France etc to avoid Quarantine, so I don't see why we cannot.
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In reply to Post #387
You don't think the EU haven't politicised this pandemic at all?
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I had a four week French trip planned (not all fishing) in mid June.
Was thinking I could instead get the ferry to Spain, do two weeks there, get another CV test, then pop over border to france for two weeks. Before heading home mid July and quarantining on return (if still amber). I might be wrong, but I don’t think this would mean quarantining when going from Spain to France?
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In reply to Post #386
What do you mean by 'The Eu playing their political pawns and giving their head a wobble' ???? I am truly mystified.
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In reply to Post #380
"By allowing the indian variant in we have gone backwards as a country. June 21st full lifting of restrictions looks unlikely"
Not really, what is the death rate? 8 or 9? compare that to January.
Lock down the areas where the virus is prevalent and let the rest of us get on with life. If you want to play silly ******** and travel to India, or have your family over from India to celebrate something to do with your sky god then don't punish the rest of us, especially when it's your demographic that is dying due to refusing to take the vaccine.
People panicking over a variant whilst sitting there with two shots in their arm. It either works, or it doesn't. If it doesn't work, why did you get it in the first place
There are some proper bed wetters hiding behind their sofa happily on the take since Furlough came in,and would quite happily watch Sky News and live in fear for eternity.
As for France, I feel sorry for those who have booked trips. But as I said at the start, it's a pointless exercise until the EU stop playing their political pawns and give their head a wobble.
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In reply to Post #383
I am going to self isolate (hibernate) for a few days, good advice thanks!
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According to the news all most of these people catching the Indian varient are those who chose not to get the vaccine,now do we still blame the government 100% or the people’s free liberty and not get the jab ????
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In reply to Post #382
Little point responding to post 380 David. He trots out the same stuff over and over again. He did say he'd finished at one point but he's started again. Lol.
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In reply to Post #380
I think it is a far bigger picture than just our small island, what were the travel restrictions in place by the EU since the whole thing started? Really don't see how Boris is to blame for everything affecting UK citizens lives (including carp anglers). Write this year off and hope 2022 will be better, I have!!
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What happens when something a lot worse than Covid turns up as scientists say it’s only a matter of time .
It will be on a par with Black Death and the Spanish flu epidemic circa 1914 .
We are talking millions .
Still on the upside we might get a booking where the lake is booked up 3 years in advance .
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In reply to Post #379
You have my sympathy.
I have a son who went on a post degree travel and has been 'stuck'in Australia. I haven't seen him since April 2019. Australia has indicated that it is not opening its borders AT ALL until the second half of 2022 at the earliest and more likely 2023!!
The French ban was inevitable. Its our blooody stupd leaky border policy with regard to Covid that got us here.
Why were flights to India permitted? And yes it was on the amber list, but given the "average" individual who travelled to india in say early April, (who lets say lives in a 3 bed semi in Blackburn with 8 other people!!?) do we seriously think that person self isolated properly?
Its wishy washy unenforceable travel rules that got us here. Why cant the government learn?
All they had to do was close off all non essential travel and only allow travel to Green countries for leisure purposes as the country in question reached the required "tests" as regard covid to get itself on the Green list.
All othe countries should have been red-ie no travel unless absolutely essential which would need to be demonstrated and required a supervised hotel quarantine upon returning.
By allowing the indian variant in we have gone backwards as a country. June 21st full lifting of restrictions looks unlikely.
We all want to travel, the accessibility and popularity of world wide travel in say the last 50 years has increased expediently, particularly with British people. But sadly what we needed to have done at the outset of this chaos was to shut the bloody front and back doors. We didn't and we have paid the price and continue to do so.
I now forsee France going Green in say July, but them not letting us in! FFS.
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In reply to Post #375
What a bell, you're obviously looking to get a rise out of me you've just had one well done you can do the usual emoji of rod and line, hence why we haven't been back since December 2019 the April 2020 trip was booked pre pandemic then moved to August 2020 then December 2020 then May 2021 this year and now hopefully August if allowed to travel without needing a reason like business health or education and is safe to do so not for a celebration but to be in the same presence as our son, I don't know if you have children who have moved away from home or how close you are to them if you have but you sound like a candidate for Dad of the year.
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In reply to Post #373
"The French government announced that from 31 May, anyone arriving from the UK must quarantine for seven days", think your comment and the previous posters comment are wrong!
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In reply to Post #376
LOL, I think Tim Paisley might have said that quite a few times....
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What. A. Mess. This is down to piss poor management of our borders by the government. Take back control? Pfffft. As Tim Paisley once said, how do you snort in print?
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In reply to Post #369
Amber and red listed countries should only be visited for emergency or work reasons and having a party to celebrate a promotion doesn't really fit into any valid reason.
We are still in a global pandemic after all...
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In reply to Post #373
Not according to a quote from the French Europe Minister, unfortunately I can't see fishing as an essential reason.
Clément Beaune, the French Europe minister, said on Wednesday that starting on Monday, travellers arriving from the UK who are not either French nationals or residents will have to demonstrate an essential reason for their journey.
They would also have to produce a negative result from a PCR or lateral flow test carried out less than 48 hours – rather than the usual 72 hours – before departure, and self-isolate for seven days, Beaune tweeted.
France currently requires travellers from 16 countries including Brazil, India, Argentina and Turkey, to undergo an obligatory 10 days of self-isolation either at home or at a nominated, approved address, with the right to go out only two hours a day and a fine of €1,500 in the event of non-compliance.
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In reply to Post #372
Yes but it does say if you’ve had both you don’t have to
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In reply to Post #371
Just seen that myself, quarantine on the way out from Monday by the looks of it,
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Not good news
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57256859
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In reply to Post #369
Hopefully you will be able to get over to Holland sooner rather than later. If you look logically at the situation the infection rate is on a downward trend all over Europe but the introduction of the Indian variant into the UK has put the fright on the EU countries. With mass inoculation now really underway things should be improving almost daily. I believe that the French Government will want to open up again when the real holiday season gets underway at the beginning of July for economic reasons. Unless there is a sudden flair up of Covid in the meantime I anticipate that from the end of June we should e able to travel with much more freedom.
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In reply to Post #367
Everything's crossed at this point Jim I do hope your right, even more importantly me and the wife want to get over to Holland to see our son I've got Vouchers here off KLM from last April, yes we can skype/zoom etc.. but it's not like being in the same space as each other going out for a beer/meal or bit of sight seeing, we moved him over in August 2019 and apart from a short two day stop over prior to Christmas that year we haven't been back, we had the April bank holiday 2020 booked for a return as he had got his mortgage and moved into a new home with his girlfriend in a very short space of time by Jan 2020, I know the area he lives as a Dutch mate of mine lives a few minutes away and I have stayed with him a few times, there is an outstanding park lake not far away with some absolute lovely commons in it but that aside the boys all excited about moving into his own property even been recently promoted in his job and we cannot visit him or celebrate it in anyway really.
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In reply to Post #367
Oldfella
That's a brave statement hope your right as I am due out 3rd july
I thought we had to isolate for 7days anyway looking back at the comments on this thread or was that incorrect
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In reply to Post #366
I think that July 1st could see all the restrictions easing. Fingers crossed.
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Probably best to just write this year off, I was hopeful perhaps optimistic my trips in September and October would go ahead this year now I'm thinking probably not, ten days isolation on arrival seven days fishing then a further ten days isolation on return practically a month off work to go fishing for a week in France, even if you can account for seven days at the lake where do you spend the other three days?
Lads I know who are back after a weeks trip arriving back last Saturday are just doing their ten days isolation they are being called everyday and one has had a visit to his door so they are making the checks.
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In reply to Post #364
Seems that it is 7 day but we cannot know at this time whether isolating at a lake will be acceptable. It should be clarified later.
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In reply to Post #363
Some reports now stating its a 7 day quarentine which I'm guessing would be OK?
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Jeez......
The indian variant has properly f##ked it up for us...
Let's hope the people that live in the 'hot spots' of indian variant in the UK do the right thing and sit on their backsides and quarantine properly...... like...... nil chance of course.....
Oh well... another couple of months delayed before trips back to france methinks........
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These governments are all as bad as each other they are not exactly banning people from their country’s
Like said before scrap the amber and just have red or green
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In reply to Post #360
It has been announced that it will be 10 days.
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In reply to Post #359
The timescale is being reported as unknown in the UK. Commentators are speculating between 7 and 10 days.
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In reply to Post #358
No one knows at the moment as the details have yet to be announced. We shall have to wait for a day or so to see what the details of the isolation period are.
Find below the latest....
France is to toughen up its restrictions on arrivals from the UK over fears of the so-called Indian variant of Covid-19 which now makes up half of new cases in the UK.
Speaking after a meeting of the Defence Council on Wednesday, French government spokesman Gabriel Attal said France would introduce “compulsory isolation” for all arrivals from the UK.
“There is a new situation with the progression of the so-called Indian variant in the United Kingdom,” said Gabriel Attal. “(France) will set up compulsory isolation for people coming from the United Kingdom.”
Details of the measures, and when they will be introduced from, will be announced “in the coming hours”, he said.
They are likely to apply to all arrivals into France from the UK, including French citizens and people who have their permanent residence in France, although previous travel restrictions have included exemptions for hauliers and other vital workers.
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In reply to Post #357
Could anglers just go back to UK after 7 days?
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In reply to Post #356
It has been confirmed that the isolation period for travelers from the UK will be 10 days- It has not been announced when the start of this will be but expect it within days.
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In reply to Post #355
No they haven't nor what form it will be - hotel or other approved address.
The announcement was a " more detail to follow" job.
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In reply to Post #352
Have they actually stated how many days isolation it is yet????
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Nightmare... Due out in 3 weeks 😕😕
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In reply to Post #352
I believe you could however to be honest it was not policed at all whereas this one looks like it well could be. I will update as I hear more.
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In reply to Post #351
Jim, what was the finer detail on the 7 day isolation - could you break it early in order to travel home.
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In reply to Post #350
The French Government have just announced that due to the Indian Variant a 10 isolation period will be applied to all visitors from the UK. It looks like it will be policed with checks as well.
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In reply to Post #340
Vaccination does work. Once everyone (or as many that can be and want to be) are vaccinated.
We aint there yet. I am 55 and dont get my second Jab until mid June. My son hasn't had either of his. All that is required is a bit of patience. Just a few more weeks.
We dont need to lockdown. We just need to stop international travel to anywhere but green countries (ie those in the same covid status as us) .
International travel is how we got in this bloody mess FFS!
My concern is simple. We open up to early to international travel based on selfish priorities and we all end back in bloody lockdown.
This amber list is nonsense. There is no way people coming back from amber countries are self isolating. Not properly.
That means staying in a house or a room on your own (or with the people you travelled with) and not mixing or sharing facilities with anyone else who didn't travel with you.you should not even stop for fuel this side of the channel FFS!!!
Are you seriously telling me that all people who are returning from fishing in France, even if they stay at home, are not mixing with their families at least . Because i simply dont believe you!
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In reply to Post #343
You obviously dont understand how this works and how variants arise.
The more COVID in general circulation the significantly greater the chances of a variant.
Therefore by opening up slowly, once we are mostly FULLY vaccinated to ONLY countries that have high levels of FULLY vaccinated people, with low levels of Covid in circulation we reduce the risks significantly.
We can not eliminate it. But what we can do is reduce the risks.
By allowing people to travel to countries such as France (and previously india) where vaccination levels are not as of yet at our own, and Covid is in relation to us, in high circulation, then "trusting" people to FULLY self isolate (that is definitely not happening) we increase the chances of importing a variant.
And no we cant vaccinate everyone, and yes there will be some
Anti vaccers. But once everyone who wants and can have it has had both jabs we can then open up because we will have reduced the level of circulation and transmission, thus reducing (significantly) the importation of a variant.
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In reply to Post #328
Thanks. That’s good to know.
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Had me second jab today and looking forward to going later on in the year what with all those extra spaces left by the anti vacc brigade. Get in
From the numbers I'm hoping France will be in the green by late July.... as long as they get a 4th wave with the Indian strain.....
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In reply to Post #345
not overly keen on taking the risk if im honest mate
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In reply to Post #313
Im actually more peeved about the not being able to take my own meat for the legendary BBQ's i do
All depends if your willing to take the risk by the sounds of it Joss.
Spoke with a few I know that went out this weekend just gone they said they checked in the booth at Tunnel with card straight round no checks and on the train, also stated there were about another 20 vans with anglers going over, they took all their own food and 70 kilo's of boilies good job they never got checked eh.
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In reply to Post #341
I agree with your totally common sense stance, once all want it have had the 2nd jab, we can then start to open up our borders etc.
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In reply to Post #341
And, as you pointed out yourself, a variant comes along that vaccines don't protect against? What's your solution then? Go through the whole lockdown for 2,3,6 or 12 months again?
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Although I totally agree what you say it’s impossible to vaccinate everyone as some will /are refusing the jab
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In reply to Post #338
All that is required is a bit of patience once everyone is vaccinated.
That wont take 20 years, or 20 months, probably not even 20 weeks.
I am not advocating we stay in lockdown. READ WHAT I SAID.
I am suggesting that foriegn travel be suspended and gradually released as countries become vaccinated.
Meanwhile we can come completely out of lockdown. Everyone and everything can open here domestically.
You have deliberately misrepresented what i said to sensationalise your position . Its not all or nothing, lockdown or fully open, just a gradual opening of foreign
travel. Meanwhile everything else can open here.
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In reply to Post #337
But even with Australia strict border control and quarentine rules the Indian variant still got there.
The vaccines work it’s been proven in real world trials not just lab so it’s now time to live with this disease and get on with life
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In reply to Post #337
As you say....by going abroad we risk bringing a variant back. But that is never going to change. Covid is not going to disappear. So your logic would dictate we never travel again, just to be on the safe side😂. Vaccinate every man, woman and child and keep borders closed. We can then all live happily ever after 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #337
That's me done on the subject, i give up.........another suntan and fish comment.
Do you honestly think this is going away? You accuse everyone of being naive and yet you have your head so far in the sand you'll have an Australian accent!!! We could be in lockdown for 20 years with food delivered to our house and this thing would reappear as soon as we did. Variants and mutations are a natural and inevitable trait of most viruses of this nature. You are deluded i'm afraid....my sister, who i speak to regularly, lives in NZ and yes they are all running around partying but the second they open up, as their economy will dictate, they will be back to square one. Travel and trade are part of our everyday life which is unsustainable without it. Please stop day dreaming that we can sweat this out and it will go away because it won't. The quicker we put plans in place to live with this the better. The only virus we've beaten is smallpox!!! Didn't see you hiding behind your couch calling everyone selfish because of the Marburg virus, Ebola, Rabies, HIV, Hantavirus, Influenza, Dengue, Rotavirus, Sars-cov, Sars Cov-2, Mers-Cov etc etc. This stuff lives among us on a daily basis in various forms day in day out.........now, i'm going fishing in England with the other 70 anglers on my syndicate!!!!
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In reply to Post #336
Not being able to go on a foreign holiday is unlikely to cause depression.
Being in lockdown is.
By allowing foreign travel we significantly increase the risk of importing a varriant that is more contagious or less resistant to vaccination or both. Hence we significantly increase the risk of another lockdown.
The uk, by way if its brilliant Vaccination program got ahead of this disease. Almost more so than any other country. All we had to do was sit tight and wait for the rest of the world to catch up and get their population vaccinated, and as they did so we could add them to the green list. Whilst we waited, life on this island could have returned to relative normality. No lockdowns, no restrictions etc. All we couldn't do was to travel outside the uk. Not much of a price to pay in my view.
Catch more English carp. Go on Holiday to Devon, Cornwall, or Norfolk or wherever in the UK! Forr maybe a year. So what?
But no, we had to risk all of that so a few selfish people think they have the right to decide the risk for all of us for a suntan or some fish.
It is foreign travel that imported the disease, it is foreign travel that brought the SA and indian variant in.
By example look at Australia and NZ: they have had very strict border closures from the start. They have had a few short but strict lockdowns, but have controlled entry and thus reduced the risk. Life inside both those countries has been relatively normal for months.
We just cant seem to learn from our own history and other examples .
By having red or green countries only, as a country comes within our sphere of vaccination numbers and case numbers we can add them to the green list provided their rules of entry are similar . Its not that difficult and its not really much of a scarfice in my view.
It is also the quickest way out of this. In the long run.
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In reply to Post #334
UK GP on the radio this morning saying a third of the patients he sees are people suffering with mental health issues due to the past 12 months of restrictions and lockdowns.
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In reply to Post #334
100% agree...
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In reply to Post #333
Of course you are right but we can't let that dictate the future and hold us all to ransom surely?
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In reply to Post #332
My point was that it is the same everywhere it is not just british public that is like that...
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In reply to Post #331
So lock everyone up indefinitely then??? You can't trust the public not to steal your car or break into your house but you don't place everyone on lockdown when that happens!! Of course there are a percentage of selfless individuals in this world but it's not about a tan or fish, it's about getting on with our lives and making the best of the situation. Do you honestly think this is going away and hiding for the rest of the year will improve matters or change the actions of those people you speak about?? Vaccinations and proper structures in place is about all we can do, not sitting in doors for the rest of our lives peering around the curtains!!!!
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In reply to Post #329
you cant trust public. period
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In reply to Post #329
So you're saying the vaccines don't work at protecting the vulnerable then?
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In reply to Post #328
The reality here is you can’t trust the British public to do the right thing, poor leadership by Boris in this instance, as far as I am concerned foreign travel should be a no this year. Most people won’t isolate on there return and put others at risk, for what some fish or a tan.
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In reply to Post #299
no it doesnt rule out night fishing , it just means if you are there after 9pm you cnnot travel before 6am the next day, so night fishing is ok
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In reply to Post #326
Then we agree.
My point us that such an approach should be for all Green countries (which should probably include France-based on the science of course ).
All other countries that dont meet the criteria should be red.
By having an amber category it allows an unclear middle category.
The current travel rules /laws are simply wrong IMO. And they have not been voted upon democratically. They have been conjured up by an inept Government based on a political agenda rather than what should be done.
If a sensible travel approach /policy was adopted and applied we wouldn't have the incidents of indian virus we do have and we could all go fishing in France without restrictions othwr than a bit if testing. If not now, very soon.
If we had endforced a strict travel ban and then gradually opened up to Green countries (based on the science) in the long run the UK would have been better off.
Our vaccination program was world leading its the lack of control at the borders that is awful, combined with a vague and leaky travel policy. We all know not everyone is self isolateting for 10 days! Whatever the rules say.
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In reply to Post #323
"Following your argument to its logical conclusion we should be free to travel to ANY country based on individual risk analysis! India, Brazil, south africa, you ok with that?"
Of course not, that's ridiculous. We are discussing trips to France for fishing under current circumstances not world wide free travel. Supply free PCR tests and job done. We can't keep bunkering in forever that's ridiculous and economically unsustainable. We need to move on and going out with a free clear PCR test and coming back with one followed by the minimum isolation time and retest. Safe and sensible whilst supporting essential economies. P.s i have no arguement, it's an opinion
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In reply to Post #324
Which is why it (France) should be Green.
Our chaotic and confused travel policy is why we have the highest incidents of India variant outside of India in the world.
And why Germany have banned us. France may well follow suit.
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In reply to Post #322
But, but, but
14:58 - France is no longer a risk zone, according to Germany
This news should delight all frontier workers. From Sunday May 23 at midnight, France will no longer be considered by Germany as a coronavirus risk zone. If France will still remain a "high incidence zone", the announcement of the German authorities also leads to the lifting of mandatory PCR tests to cross the border, which had been in effect since March 28, 2021.
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In reply to Post #320
My point is simply this.
Upon a proper risk analysis all countries should be either
1. You can travel
2. You cant.
Upon such an analysis France is likely to be green and we could all go. None of this debate would be necessary.
Leaving it to "the individual" is not an option when you are dealing with a contagious disease. Why should an individual get to decide the acceptable risk that may affect society as a whole?
And if you think people are seriously observing the self isolation... How do you think the indian variants got here then?
Actually my argument supports freedom. The last thing i want to see is us all being forced back into lockdown here and our freedoms curtailed because some people considered it was acceptable to take a risk for us all and travel to a place that perhaps they should not have. I am NOT suggesting France is such a Place, but it may be.
They may be right, it may be ok, and i fully support that line of thinking in usual circumstances when they are dealing with their OWN health and safety. But these are not usual circumstances are they?, its not open for an individual to take risks and to decide on matters that affect society as a whole. How do you think Covid got here? Travel, thats how. Only takes 1 person!
Following your argument to its logical conclusion we should be free to travel to ANY country based on individual risk analysis! India, Brazil, south africa, you ok with that?
A good analogy is speed limits on roads. Why do you think they are there? On your argument they should be removed and it left to the individual to make his own choice. So if i hit you or your family doing 120mph, thats my choice? That ok with you?
The record shows that countries that have been the most effective at controlling COVID are those that had clear and strict order policies and were clear and straightforward with their population. Look at Australia by way of example.
Enough said. Not going to argue anymore
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In reply to Post #319
Germany have announced brits are banned from entering from tomorrow night... How long before France follows suit!? Hope not as I'm due out on 19th June
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In reply to Post #318
Depends what sort of society you want to live in Jim. I don't want to see the things you refer to legislated, I prefer to manage my own risks.
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In reply to Post #319
And people still think Boris is brilliant!
Are we getting to the real reason for your enthusiasm on this subject?
The opinion you disagreed with (post 315) is basically right. We live in a democracy where freedom of speech and movement reign supreme i'm afraid only bound by the confines of the law. Unfortunately for your argument, as you've meticulously laid out in your last post, is that it isn't illegal to travel to an amber country as many have done so far without opposition. We then only have your moral compass to deal with which isn't really the place for a fishing forum. If people observe all of the covid protocols and travel to and from a lake without stopping unopposed then there is little risk. Like it or lump it, and you are more than entitled to your opinion, people will travel in numbers and no amount of political satire from your good self is going to stop them i'm afraid.
Floodgates open.........................................
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In reply to Post #318
Precisely
The intention of this amber category is political.
It would be unpopular to say you definitely cant go, but...
In the event it all goes pete tong, they (UK Govt) will say we told you shouldn't go.
Thus removing any liability on them.
That's not leadership, that's s not decisive:its a fudge focused on retaining popularity without the risk of future liability.
And people still think Boris is brilliant!
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In reply to Post #317
I think the pertinent word here is the 'should' which really is a nonsense and leaves the choice to the traveler. In life you should not drink to excess, should not eat to much red meat, should not break the speed limit, etc, etc. By leaving the choice open the Government is just washing its hands of any future issues coming out of amber travel.
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In reply to Post #315
Well thats your interpretation. Mine is different: Amber countries you should not go for leisure purposes.
It is far from "perfectly clear". Which was the intention of it.
The fact you and others think its clear is worrisome
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In reply to Post #312
Jim,
I agree with you.
As i said i wasn't having a go at lake owners. And lets be honest (and i am not massaging your ego here (it doesn't need it!) ) you are one of the better ones.
I dont blame anglers or lake owners at all.
My point is that the amber category is frankly b*ll**ks?
Surely it would be better if it was just old plain red or green?
Imagine how much easier it would be for you as an owner if france was green (which if there were just 2 categories I suspect it would be).
This amber and the Governments response to the questions (anybody seen the 2 car crash interviews yesterday with ministers over the amber category?) are like something out of the old TV seies "Yes minister". (people of a certain age will remember that!) :
Minister: "I dont know what to so about travel come May 17th"
Humphry: "Well minister a good old fashioned confusing fudge should remove any possible future liability for us".
Minister: "What do you suggest?"
Humphry: "We will have a category where we initially tell people that they can legally go but with restrictions, then after everyone thinks thay can go, we tell them that they really shouldn't, but its up to them. We wont say yes or no, we will say its" individual responsibility "whilst confusingly saying you shouldn't really do it"
Minister: "Brilliant..."
Humphry: "Yes minister, and if it all goes wrong and we have another wave of covid we can remove any blame on us by saying" we told you not to go" without actually telling people not to go. I'll draw up the rules now minister! "
Its straight from that series, seriously!
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In reply to Post #313
It all seems fairly clear to me, you can legally travel to an amber country and the rules are set for what you need to do on your return. That may not suit some and others may simply not like it but it is what it is.
I appreciate Boris has given some advisories but that is all they are at the moment.
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In reply to Post #313
Had the promise of cheap PCR tests been implemented then it would possibly make a trip viable. A test on the way out, free one in France and 2 booked for day 2 and day 8 is currently over £300. If you then decide to take the private test on day 5 (Thursday for most) then that makes 4 tests paid for. If the tests were free or a minimal admin fee then the 4 tests would be financially viable and 2 weeks holiday would give you a week in France and a week's DIY  . I isolated after a 2 week trip last September and stayed in for the whole 10 days and am sure the guidance was that others in your household didn't need to? Can't/won't be doing that again but have 2 weeks booked off around my trip already so if the cost of the PCR test comes down then i will seriously consider going as like others have said i travel alone and do the trip on one tank in the van.
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In reply to Post #312
When i go, i use the train, drive straight to the lake and back on a tank of fuel, so no need to stop.
Sadly, its going to be very difficult for many of my group to do the 10 day isolation period on return.
hopefully when we go in September, we will know more and things get more relaxed.
Im actually more peeved about the not being able to take my own meat for the legendary BBQ's i do
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In reply to Post #311
What you say it broadly good and factual however it is important to understand where a lake owner stands in this situation. If you have bookings for the period that France is regarded as an amber category country then it is not for us to make the decision on travel for the anglers. We can only give factual information and try to make a visit to our fishery as painless as possible. If an angler makes the decision that he is willing to travel then for us it is great that after such a long time without income we can start making some sort of living again. If an angler decides that he is unwilling to take an extra 10 days to isolate which is necessary then we can be understanding and reschedule his holiday. We do have the majority of our visitors in the coming month prepared to take the hassle and enjoy a long awaited visit to France and it may be naïve to believe they will all stick to the rules on their return to the UK. Having said that no one has indicated that they will not isolate for the necessary period. On a more realistic note it is worth seeing that when the majority of anglers drive straight from the tunnel/ferry to the lake there really is no more chance to contracting covid than when they are fishing at home. IMO of course.
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In reply to Post #310
And i am also aware that some lake owners are actually encouraging anglers to travel!
Thats not necessarily a pop at lake owners. I mean who can blame them, they must be in desperate financial situations?
But with the unclear amber category it alllows interpretation, and a combination of not fully reading the rules ("you should not travel to amber countries for leisure purposes" but its not illegal to do so?!!? ) allows either lack of understanding of the rules or personal financial desperation to cloud their judgement.
I have had several conversations with some anglers who respond
"(name of lake owner) says it will be ok"
Indeed some have even gone on Facebook or their website confirming travel is all ok and advertising the availability of covid tests.
As i said i am not having a go at the owners. The ambiguity has caused this.
Jesus, even Ryanair, TUI and other big travel companies have done it!!
Red/Green only removes this ambiguous category 'that you can kinda go but should not go' nonsense.
I also think that if there were just 2 categories france would likely to be green anyway! And if its not we definitely should not be going.
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In reply to Post #307
Agree with this 100% , we have put our trip off again for a further year thanks to an understanding lake owner, but to read some of the Facebook sites it’s as if COVID doesn’t exist, you can tell from the comments they will not isolate it on there return, and freely spread any new variants around, it appears one weeks fishing is worth the risk of life and not just there own.
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Totally agree with the two previous posts.
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In reply to Post #307
Agree scrap the amber simple green or red can or cant go no grey area straight forward
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In reply to Post #306
The simple truth is that people are not observing the 10 day quarantine period upon returning.
If you read the rules you should be in a room on your own in your home. Using separate kitchen and bathroom facilities!!!!
People are either ignoring it entirely , or mixing with others in their household (because lets face it, who has that kind of space/facilities?) . The others then go out into the community and spread any infection. Thats how the indian variant has spread. (Before India was in red zone).
If Government doesn't want us going to amber countries then the same rules as red countries should apply. Ie Hotel quarantine - (albeit thats a farce as passengers are mixing upon arrival).
Personally it was always clear to me that travel to amber countries for leisure purposes is not permitted. But then its not illegal either. Which is nonsense (see below).
I think if we just have plane red and green some of the countries that are currently amber would be moved into Green, that probably includes France and probably Spain also.
That way its clear. You can either go with no restrictions, (Green) this end (you will still need to comply with the designated countries entry requirements) or you can only go if you can prove a real urgent need and will have to enter hotel quarantine upon your return eturn to UK(red).
That will move any "grey" area concerning amber countries.
Personally i think this is where this is all heading. But not until the autumn!
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In reply to Post #305
For me the issue is not the travel to any country, it is our Governments requirement that you must self isolate for ten days on your return from an amber country.
Until that is no longer a requirement I don't see how foreign travel is feasible for the majority.
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A bit silly for Spain to say that (if true) as it could open all sorts of problems
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In reply to Post #303
without restrictions and without health requirements." - that is not what I read in our news... only for vaccinated or those with neg test. It looks like it is all a big blur at the moment.
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In reply to Post #302
Well this will force other countries to follow suit
Spain to allow holidaymakers from UK in from Monday - but British government still says don't go
Spain will allow visitors from Britain into the country from Monday 24 May, according to an order published in the state gazette today.
However, the British government is advising Britons against travelling to amber list countries, saying trips to those nations should only for circumstances like visiting a sick relative or going to a funeral.
UK restrictions still require travellers returning to Britain from Spain - which is on the government's amber list - to self-isolate upon arrival.
The amber list covers the most popular UK holiday destinations such as Spain, France, Italy and Greece.
Transport secretary Grant Shapps has said "you should not be travelling to these places right now".
Those who go against that guidance must take two post-arrival tests, and are also required to self-isolate at home for 10 days, although they can reduce that time if they take an additional negative test on day-five.
Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez said "Spain will be delighted to receive British tourists again into our country... without restrictions and without health requirements."
It means British holidaymakers will not be required to show a negative PCR test, or quarantine in Spain upon arrival.
Read more on this breaking news story here.
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In reply to Post #301
That doesn't apply to UK
Wea are no longer in the European Union!?
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In reply to Post #300
This makes interesting reading and being made law on same day as the uk announces the new green list
Deal reached for EU-wide COVID travel pass for summer holidays
The European Union has reached a deal on COVID certificates designed to open up tourism across the 27-nation bloc this summer.
The certificate will take the form of a QR code on a smartphone or paper, letting authorities determine the status of a visitor based on records in their home EU country.
It will show if a person has received a vaccine, had a recent negative test or had immunity based on recovery.
Politicians had wanted countries to commit to free testing for the certificate and said that no EU country should set additional quarantine requirements.
Germany and Sweden were among those resisting, officials said, though countries within the bloc in general are reluctant to give up their final say on border controls.
In the end, EU countries agreed to refrain from imposing additional restrictions, such as testing or quarantines, unless considered necessary on public health grounds, such as because of the rise of a new coronavirus variant.
The European Parliament is expected to pass a law in the week beginning 7 June for more than a dozen EU countries, including France and Spain, to test the system before a launch on 1 July.
The scheme also covers non-EU members of the border-free Schengen zone - Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland - and is separate from plans to open up the European Union to vaccinated non-EU visitors.
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In reply to Post #299
You can night fish public lakes now.
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In reply to Post #293
There’s currently a 9pm curfew, moving to 11pm on 9th June. Assume that rules out night fishing public lakes until July.
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In reply to Post #296
I already have a permanent Carte and am resident in France, the 90/180 day rule doesn't apply to me. It applies to my family who are all in the UK.
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In reply to Post #296
https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/19/eu-states-agree-to-allow-entry-to-bloc-for-vaccinated-travellers
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In reply to Post #295
If you live in France apply for your carte de sejour and you no longer need to adhere to the 90/180 rule.
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In reply to Post #293
Th British Embassy may not be right. This is a very confusing area of immigration law in France. It appears that this attestation is only required for visitors of nationalities that require a short-term Schengen visa. The UK do not require a visa for visits of less than 90 days. Much discussion is going on within France regarding this and no official ruling has been given yet. Several french immigration lawyers have said the attestion is not required under current immigration law. I hope this is the case, since I live in France and it would be a right pain in the ass if the attestation is required, especially as 30 days notice has to be given of any such visit, so any quick family visits would be curtailed. We are watching this space and I'll keep you posted. Personally, I don't think it will happen.
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In reply to Post #292
You and I may be prepared to accept death or illness from Covid as an "accepted risk". But will the general population? More importantly will those in power?
Somehow I doubt it, given the fear whipped up!
People smoke and drink, eat to much of the wrong stuff , dont exercise, ride motorbike's, even drive cars, and a whole host of other activities far more "risky" than covid! But that is not the general perception is it!
There is the issue. How do you reduce the perceived (but not reality) of the risk so we are all prepared to live with it? Such a shift in public opinion wont happen until everyone (or almost everyone) feels safer by having 2 vaccination jabs.
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On a slightly different note, not sure how this would maybe affect people going to France to fish public lakes? Although I am presuming a booked stay at a registered fishery avoids the need for this.
https://uk.yahoo.com/style/brits-visiting-friends-france-must-164350506.html
The French civil service instructs: “A foreigner who wishes to come to France for a tourist stay of less than three months must present a proof of accommodation.
The Facebook group Remain in France Together told members: “We can advise you that the British Embassy have confirmed to us that the attestation will be required for UK passport holders travelling to France for private visits to friends and family where they do not have accommodation, such as a gîte, hotel, Airbnb. etc, booked.
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In reply to Post #291
If the vaccine isn't the route out then we just learn to live with it and accept loses to covid.
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In reply to Post #284
I think its doubtful that unrestricted travel will be available to vaccinated people in June.
Not just because of the 'risk' (however small) of a variant, but my understanding is that the vaccine does not stop you (the vaccinated) actually catching the virus, it simply reduces the effect upon you and the chances of you (the vaccinated) getting seriously ill.
You can still bring the virus back from wherever you go and spread it to others who are not vaccinated.
The problem is if the vaccination isnt the route out of this what is? All risks cant be eliminated. This disease aint going nowhere!
We were told last year. "3 weeks to flattern the curve" then it was "sacrafice November to save Christmas" then "No family Christmas but Easter all we be normal" then "Sacrafice spring and we have a 'irreversible' route map to normality by June". And the "bugal of vaccination is being heard over the horizon" (remember all those and who said them?)
All wrong, all lies.
Now we are being told "oh the indian variant is dangerous : the chances ofJune full restrictions being lifted (the" irreversible" route map!) completely are close to nil".
You see the pattern here. We are running a race where every time the finishing line gets close, it moves back a few yards further!.
What next? The Russuan/Korean/vanatu/(delete or add as appropriate) variant? The North Wembley version? This is never ending if we allow it to be.
Personally, IMO travel restrictions will remain in force in some form or another until all adults in UK have beem offered both doses. Thats about October /November. After that time the restrictions won't be politically sustainable to the public. At the moment the pols apparently indicate the public are overwhelmingly in favour if shutting all borders completely. 🤔🙄
Some Red must countries will remain well into 2022.
I no longer trust a single thing the Government says. Its clear to anyone that they are both terrified of their own shadow because of the "risks" (however small) of getting it wrong. (which given their track record is laughable) and they are making this up as they go along. Just lok at the confusion and mixed messages from the Government over Amber classified countries and the ability to travel to them for leisure purposes in the last 48 hrs.
Its time the people say "enough is enough" but they are being both bribed (furlough) and frightened (propaganda) into compliance. That won't last. Its no accident that furlough ends in October. Its no accident that the Covid emergency act powers also end then.
They already know that the autumn is the target. But no doubt when we get there it will be the winter surge that will be the new risk.
The nanny state needs to step back and let us live our lives free. Truly free.
Rant over!
Fishing in France in 2021 looks increasingly difficult until the autumn IMO. Even for the fully vaccinated.
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In reply to Post #288
It seems the basic infrastructure is there i.e. QR codes but its the legalities and freedom of information that isn't and wont be for some time for anything to be implemented effectively. We not only have that but the fact we have left the EU with agreements not in place or still being discussed, most seem to think this will take years. It all adds to the work load.
I also don't see France being added to the green list anytime soon. Their case levels are still relatively high, they are now reducing restrictions which means they will further increase the transmission given the lack of vaccination progress. For people that don't want to quarantine on return its all but impossible to see a trip any earlier than Sept time imo.
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In reply to Post #285
I think the QR code is to load your information onto your Ameli account and the french anti covid app. After which you can pull it up and show.
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In reply to Post #287
I imagine that eventually Covid inoculation information will be shared internationally. It is early days yet and it would seem that already the data base and scanning options are in place.
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In reply to Post #286
Do police/customs in lets say Italy have permission to log into NHS to confirm that? Doubt that very much! With medical information there is all sorts of human etc right involved... You see where the problem is? There is no joined register or system to check... all we can hope for is that people will not abuse this to much so that normal paper versions can still be used for some time...
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In reply to Post #284
People re getting proof of vaccination on some paper that is easily forget and there so no system to check it on international level...
If I log into my NHS profile both my Pfizer vaccines are documented on there under my medical information.
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In reply to Post #284
As a point of interest I have now had my second vaccine in France after which I was giving a certificate with a QR code so that it can be scanned. I presume that this will be used by border control to establish vaccination stays when travelling.
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In reply to Post #283
We only need one strain of virus that is immune to vaccinations that we have now and all that theory goes down the drain... we will have a good idea of what the future will look like in June... if vaccinated people will be able to travel freely without restrictions as promised than things will be ok, if tests and isolations will still be mandatory than we are looking into few more years of ..... Dont forget that EU talked about covid passports in June but there isnt a single protocol yet developed for joined system that will give info about peoples situation regarding covid (vaccinated, when, how many times, when and where test was made etc...). People re getting proof of vaccination on some paper that is easily forget and there so no system to check it on international level...
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In reply to Post #282
The difference is that Europe will be "fully" vaccinated" in 2021. Some measures may be in place in 2022 but not to the extent of 2020 and 2021. God helps us if they are.
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In reply to Post #280
Why are you assuming you will be able to travel hassle free in 2022? Most were saying in 2020.....oh why not forget it this year and go in 2021. Remember?
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In reply to Post #280
I've had this year's lake booked since 2018 so either a big loss or a few more £ into the pot if we can travel. It's a 2 week booking with 50% deposit
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Why, why, why have all the hassle, uncertainty and additional cost this year. Let alone bait worries. I've used my "spare" holidays on my best UK syndicate and while I'll still go to France annually 2022 and onwards, it will be a single week and not the four I was planning for pre-covid.
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In reply to Post #278
You font need one for return journey as you do the online locator form
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These sworn statement forms that you have to fill in and download
Did the guys that’s been to France recently print out the french and English versions for obvious reasons
And did you print one of each for the outward journey and then one of each for your return ?
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In reply to Post #272
Mates of a mate have just gone out last weekend to Feuilette said pretty much as what has already been said about the ease nd such like at border checks and easy enough to get it all sorted, I'm sure he said costs them about £160 quid each for all the testing or there about's, it's not the cost that bothers me its the three weeks off work, I run my family company which my retired Father-in-Law will fill my seat on a week trip even two weeks at a push if it's once a year but asking him to do a three or four week stint would finish him off its why he retired in the end at seventy so fair play to him mainly stress and health issues that forced him to retire even as much as I was forcing him too from the age of sixty five, his head tells him he can do it but his body says different.
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In reply to Post #275
Having a vaccine protects the vaccinated person, thus stopping hospitals coming under pressure. It does not stop you catching or transmitting the virus to others.
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In reply to Post #274
Once again we all could be forced to live our lives behind closed doors due to goverment allowing hundreds of Indians Into the country with covid
tests results show they had 50% higher confirmed case than normal
And they allowed to travel to communities where the people they lived with wernt isolating
Well done to the British goverment
Also we could be forced into another lockdown due to the minority who refused to had the vacine and these are the ones who are causing the spread of this variant
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In reply to Post #273
Hopefully...I'll not hold my breath!
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In reply to Post #272
Ken
Hopefully France will allow fully vaccinated people to travel without a test
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In reply to Post #265
Same as, Ian, two weeks in France from 4th September. Not bothered about self isolating on return, no different to the weeks on lockdown.
However, what I cannot get my head around is the need for these PCR tests. What is wrong with lateeral flow tests that we can do ourselves? Had both jabs, come back Covid-free the past three LFTs. We should be good to go but this red, amber, green thing does my head in.
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In reply to Post #264
Mainly dodgy MPs or fheir equally dodgy friends.....seems like most MPs have shares in PPE companies or companies that make testing kits
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In reply to Post #268
Eurofin have just been given the approval for the 2 and 8 days test so you can get a depart test £44 and the 2 other for £99
What confuses me is why are the english border control asking for a negative test to be showen to them when on the amber green and red it clearly states all you require is a pcr test in the country your are departing from back to the uk
This is ripping people off
On the news yesterday it also reiterated it is not illegal to visit an amber country it is just advised by the goverment bot to travel
It states on the amber travel
Pre-departure test at destination
All what I have read is it is only her english border control asking for a negative result when you leave the uk not the French
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In reply to Post #264
It seems we will never lose the Rip off Britain tagline..
The cynic in me still believes in the conspiracy to deter people from overseas holidaying, especially when there is a cost element involved.
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In reply to Post #265
I'm just hoping the decision makers start being sensible and free pass vaccine holders.
Scrap the 10 day fiasco if you're fully vaccinated. The main cause of this new variant spreading is 1 person self quarantining for the 10 days in a 3 bed house with 6/7 other people who are leaving that house daily, and free to spread the virus to other non-vaccinated person in their community.
Non-vaccine holders should have the 10 day option in place, but like I said, there's no control measures in place to manage the movement of other people living in the same dwelling.
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In reply to Post #265
Totally agree as did a 2 week trip last September with a 10 day isolation on return. There is an option to release after 5 days if, as you say, you don't mind the expense of an extra private PCR test.
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Just moved my first trip this year which is next month to next year, I've another trip this year to Rainbow in September and one to Livardiere in October which is a trip we moved from last October, I don't mind all the testing or any cost that incurs etc.. but it's the ten days isolation on return for me practically three weeks off work for a weeks fishing or near a month for a two week trip never going to happen for me, hopefully by September they might lessen this if not then those trips will have to be cancelled.
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In reply to Post #263
Good news, I've just forked out £250 for a day 2 & 8 self test kit.
Theres people out there making a lot of money on the back of this.
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In reply to Post #262
One good piece of news is that visitors to France will be able to get their PCR test for free before returning to the UK.
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In reply to Post #261
they should have stopped furlough months ago, but a whole new thread
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In reply to Post #260
Stop furlough.....see how quickly the public start demanding normality!
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In reply to Post #254
Well said.
Albeit i cant see the world going back to normal for a long while.
Australia has announced that it wull not be opening its borders until the second half of 2022 at the earliest and most likely 2023.
Thats 3 years almost!
We need to accept that this virus is out there and get in with living cowering behind the sofa is not a solution.
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In reply to Post #258
Firstly you can't return to the UK without a negative test. I can't read the French Gov site well enough to know what their rules are for a positive tested tourist so if your the same I suggest you phone the French embassy and ask.
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In reply to Post #249
I know its unlikely, but I would still like to know what happens/where you go if you test positive on your covid test to return to the UK. Anyone know?
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In reply to Post #256
That’s a serious amount of bait , fair play though mate 👍
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In reply to Post #250
If you mean what bait Ralph, it was crushed maize, pellet, hemp & tigers, and squid boilies. These were some hungry fish....
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In reply to Post #251
The day 2+8 tests are mandatory, so the 5 day 'test to release' needs to be ordered in addition to these
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In reply to Post #253
All viruses mutate. It's how they survive. After the Kent, Brazilian, south African and Indian variant there will be others. Thai, Filipino, Korean, Zimbabwean......who knows. The bottom line is you can't continue to live in a constant cycle of lockdowns and restrictions.......because that's not living. We need to learn to live with the virus and return to normal.
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They are doing local mass testing where this new Indian varient is most common
I can also see the government having area/county/cities in lockdown as before instead of the whole country
Irresponsible people again not self isolating when entering this country but that for another topic.
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In reply to Post #251
And just as we’ve started to ease the Indian variant has arrived. We are unlocking and the variant is doubling. Whilst it may not be a huge issue for hospitalisation and death, the number of cases could soar.
France will be keeping a close eye on this. They don’t have the same rate of vaccination and they won’t want this variant coming in, Particularly after we brought the Kent variant to the EU.
Boris is being way too reactive again, monitoring the situation until it’s everywhere...it’s quite possible the France window will be limited before France shut us out again.
Sorry to put a dampener on the weekend but this scenario is quite possible. Hopefully it will be contained!
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In reply to Post #246
In terms of the the two PCR tests you book on day 2 and 8 of your return, i read that you can potentially get early release if you take one on day 5. Does this come in place of the day 8 test or do you have to pay effectively for 3 tests i.e days 2,5 and 8 (even though you may not need day 8). Coupled with the test before you go that's starting to get a bit costly!
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In reply to Post #246
Well done on the pb mate, 320 kg of bait , kin ell what was it
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In reply to Post #247
I think the risk is pretty low TBF. You'd have tested negative on the way out, and unlikely to be unlucky enough to pick up the virus during a week's fishing, assuming you've been sensible with distancing, mask, hand sanitising, etc
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In reply to Post #247
Someone else has mentioned that before as it is unlikely you can stay at the lake if others are booked on and doubt you could then book accommodation once a positive test results been given
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In reply to Post #246
A question...
If you are at a French lake and have the required PCR test a couple of days before you come back to England- and that test then comes back Positive.... What is the position? Where do you then go to presumably quarantine for xx days? What is the cost?
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In reply to Post #226
I got back from a 2 week trip to the Marne Valley last Saturday, and my experience at Folkestone was similar to Gav's. I too had a valid & provable reason to travel, but they were less interested in that than the negative PCR test (this is a must have!). Same applied on the return journey, but getting a PCR test in France was relatively straight forward, and free. I got mine done at Chalons hospital. One thing I would add, and Gav might find this when he gets back, is that I have been contacted virtually every day by UK Gov Test & Trace. They're obviously very interested in people who have crossed borders!! I opted for the 2+8 day tests while quarantining for 10 days (I booked this while in France, as you need a unique reference number for the required Passenger Locator Form), and have 3 days left before I can hit the pub. A lot of ball-ache & additional expense for a fortnight's fishing, but well worth it for me. I Bagged a PB mirror at 74.10lbs on my second to last morning!!! 
I didn't take any bait with me, opting to buy it at the lake - all 320kg's of it!!!!! 
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In reply to Post #237
Presumably you will get a refund in that case? Then have a look elsewhere?
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Sorry, we were allowed lateral flow tests back at Christmas but I still wouldn’t go on the words of the people making money out of it, be sure to double check.
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There’s a list of tests accepted by the French, it’s three A4 sheets, and the test listed first is the one the NHS use. The Eurotunnel woman still said it wasn’t allowed.
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When I came across at Christmas I had an NHS certificate so I was reluctant to shell out for another. I rang the NHS COVID helpline and it’s not that their test isn’t accepted, it’s that they haven’t got the manpower to provide it. The very helpful NHS lady gave me all her contact details and a reference no. for the very unhelpful Eurotunnel woman. She wasn’t interested in the slightest, a money making scam IMHO.
My wife and I came through with no probs at all.
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In reply to Post #239
Brilliant - I personally don't want to risk it but that's great.
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In reply to Post #238
My pre-travel test was an nhs test and they never said anything.
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In reply to Post #236
Although this would make much more sense and would prevent people being ripped off by all these crap random testing companies, unfortunately border forces will not accept the NHS test.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/get-tested-for-coronavirus/
Specifically says...
"If you're travelling abroad, you may need to get a test before you travel. You need to pay for a test privately and should not get a free test from the NHS."
But thanks for flagging it - hopefully soon it will change.
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In reply to Post #236
Well gutted the lake I was due to fish is not opening as the owner lives in uk and works on uk.so he cannot get over to france to open the lake as he cannot isolate on his return so gutted
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In reply to Post #234
I’m sure I heard on the news that you can now use the nhs test
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In reply to Post #233
One more tip if you are going soon - try and book your day 2 and 8 tests BEFORE you leave the UK so you don't have any problems completing your passenger locator form before you return - you need the reference number from the pcr test supplier. You can't use NHS testing - they won't accept the result.
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In reply to Post #226
Thanks for that update. 4 of us travelling to France on the 22nd and your comments align with my expectations, we are taking pop-ups and some glugs, no bulk baits. Advice seems to be 'don't hide it' so you can claim ignorance. If it's tucked inside your sleeping bag it's obvious you are concealing it and that could be a different kettle of fish. I think 30kgs of boilies would get you in a different amount of trouble from a pack of pop-ups. I'll try and remember to report in after my trip to help you guys out. Summary seems to be follow the rules and be fully prepared.
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In reply to Post #231
If you read carefully, you will see he hasn't returned yet....
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In reply to Post #226
Great write up thanks. Have anyone contacted you in the UK during your 10 day quarantine
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In reply to Post #226
Good write up and pretty much echoes what I have been told by travellers/workers/fishermen.
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In reply to Post #226
Great write up. Gives me some confidence.
Never thought I’d be trying to smuggle bait into Europe
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In reply to Post #226
Very informative, thanks.
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In reply to Post #226
Great report, thanks.
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Ok, I traveled over to France this week and this is how it went...
At UK passport control I was only asked for my passport and proof of my negative Covid test which I had a text and an email for. The lady at the desk noticed the fishing kit and purely commented “oh is it that time of year again already”. I had with me all the forms required including the insurance green card, declaration form etc but none of this was asked for.
At the French control as I stopped I went to show my passport but he didn’t even look at it and waved me through. They then scanned the car like they do with their “wands” and the questions asked were whether I owned the car etc. Again, obvious that there’s fishing gear in there but they did not bat en eye lid.
I did not take bait with me as I decided I would go to a tackle shop on the way.
On my 6 hour drive I was not stopped or asked for any documents at all. I am coming back on Friday and so I had my pcr test today which was a 20 minute drive and free of charge. I should get the results tomorrow.
All I have to do now is book my Covid tests for days 2 and 8 at home as from what I understand they ask for this reference number on the form you need to fill in 48 hours before you come back.
To be honest it was very straight forward and pretty much the same as it usually is. Obviously things could be randomly different for other people and I certainly wouldn’t condone trying to smuggle bait through etc. It’s simply just a bit more admin by printing insurance certificates, getting your green card, declaration forms and that’s about it. The world hasn’t suddenly changed and no-one was concerned with why I was travelling or indeed asked. I did have legitimate business reasons but they didn’t ask.
So there’s an account of what actually happens right now. Obviously the only downside is self isolation when home but that could only be for 5 days if you take a test on day 5 and are negative.
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In reply to Post #222
You are quite correct that the Government advice is that you should not travel to an amber category country however the important thing is that is does not say you cannot. It is purely advisory as far as I can see.
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In reply to Post #223
From 17th May 2021 travel to France IS allowed.
There seems to be quite a lot of confusion and uncertainty regarding travelling to France so this is how things stand...
Entering France from UK
The UK is one of seven non EU countries that France have classed as safe and if you are arriving from one of those seven countries, you can enter France. You must comply with health regulations to enter France (PCR test and sworn declaration). You must self-isolate for seven days after your arrival. However, reports say this is only voluntary. Even it if wasn't, you will be self-isolate at a lake. From the 9th June 2021, France are looking to lift restrictions so maybe the PCR test and self-isolation will be lifted but this will be detailed nearer the time from the French. Full details of this can be found on the French Diplomacy Government website https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/
Entering the UK from France
The UK government from the 17th May 2021 will lift the legal restrictions to travel abroad but have placed France in the amber list of countries that means you should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes. However, this is guidance from the government and not classed as an illegal trip so you can travel if you wish (i.e. the same as it was last year). You must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 3 days of departure to the UK. You will then need to self-isolate for 10 days. Full travel guidance can be found at https://www.gov.uk/travel-abroad and https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#amber-list
Hope this helps.
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In reply to Post #222
From your independent BA story
The UK government has confirmed it will lift the prohibition on international leisure travel in time for the resumption of holidays abroad on 17 May.
We can disagree it doesn't bother me as I'm not in a rush to go anywhere, just posting info from the government as they have advised.
Not that I want to encourage travel, it sounds like you could easily legally travel to your property but that doesn't avoid the quarantine requirements of a red country. Unless you come home via another country on the amber list and have a little holiday there first.
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In reply to Post #221
I have read the whole thing. (ie the specific pages applying to rwd, amber and green countries that vome into force aftwr 17th May) I respectfully suggest you haven't!
Lets agree to disagree and see what happens.
I dont like these f**king rules at all!
I have a property in SA i want to go to, which is why i am studying them so specificly!
If i could find a way round not having to spend 11 days in a prison at Heathrow and 1750 of my hard earned for the pleasure upon return. Trust me i would!
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In reply to Post #220
Lol repeating yourself doesn't make you right, read the same website and find the section about what is changing on 17 may
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In reply to Post #217
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england
"You should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes"
Says it in clear black and white.
As i said you need to read the whole thing.
I am not wrong!
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In reply to Post #217
I haven't assumed anything, I've taken facts from the government website
I think you're just not picking up on the fact you're reading the rules as of "now" and that leisure travel is not allowed.
The rules I posted below in bold is from the same website under the same covid section but under "what will change on 17 may"
Anyway, I'll let other make their own mind up and will gladly wait until Monday for any such announcement.
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In reply to Post #215
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/british-airways-ba-travel-ban-b1845376.html
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In reply to Post #214
And read the rukes under tbe traffic light system you refer to in bold. Ie that subsection
That is where it sayd they you can not travel to amber or red country for leisure purposes.
You are only reading the main page not the specific rules for amber and red countries under the traffic light system to which you refer.
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In reply to Post #210
I have!
From the 17th May you no longer have to fill in a travel declaration form.
However further down on the page it clearly says that you should not travel to red and amber countries for leisure puposes.
You have incorrectly assumed that the withdrawal of the declaration form allows you to travel to any country for any reason. It does not.
Border control remain empowered to ask your reason for travel to red and Amber countries and if its leisure purposes not allow you to travel. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.
At an airport thats not going to be an issue because all passengers wherever they are travelling to (ie red, amber or green) go through the same exit gates. So its unlikely (albeit still possible) that you will l be challenged.
However travelling to France (amber) with a van load of carp tackle through folkestone or dover makes your intended reason for travel obvious, and all passengers going through that border are all going to an amber country where leisure travel is not permitted.
The Government website says in clear terms unde the amber and red countries subsection that you should not be travelling to such countries for leisure purposes. Read the whole page(s).
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In reply to Post #214
BA's warning email re no leisure travel was sent to all passengers booked including those booked on flights to Faro. It is clearly based upon current guidance not post 17 May.
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In reply to Post #212
Ignore the info from silverslayer as it is wrong (except maybe the BA warning, as I believe they did send one out)
Taken from gov.uk
From 17 May:
You should continue to work from home if you can. When travelling within the UK, you should aim to do so safely and plan your journey in advance.
You should get a test and follow the stay at home guidance if you have COVID-19 symptoms.
Gathering limits will be eased. Outdoor gatherings will be limited to 30 people and indoor gatherings will be limited to 6 people or 2 households (each household can include a support bubble, if eligible).
New guidance on meeting friends and family will emphasise personal responsibility rather than government rules. Instead of instructing you to stay 2m apart from anyone you don’t live with, you will be encouraged to exercise caution and consider the guidance on risks associated with COVID-19 and actions you can take to help keep you and your loved ones safe. Remember that the risks of close contact may be greater for some people than others and in some settings and circumstances, there will be specific guidance that you will need to follow even when you are with friends and family.
Indoor entertainment and attractions such as cinemas, theatres, concert halls, bowling alleys, casinos, amusement arcades, museums and children’s indoor play areas will be permitted to open with COVID-secure measures in place.
People will be able to attend indoor and outdoor events, including live performances, sporting events and business events. Attendance at these events will be capped according to venue type, and attendees should follow the COVID-secure measures set out by those venues.
Indoor hospitality venues such as restaurants, pubs, bars and cafes can reopen.
Organised indoor sport will be able to take place for all (this includes gym classes). This must be organised by a business, charity or public body and the organiser must take reasonable measures to reduce the risk of transmission.
All holiday accommodation will be open (including hotels and B&Bs). This can be used by groups of up to 6 or 2 households (each household can include a support bubble, if eligible).
Funeral attendance will no longer be limited to 30 people, but will be determined by how many people the COVID-secure venue can safely accommodate with social distancing. Limits at weddings, wakes and other commemorative events will be increased to 30 people. Other significant life events, such as bar/bat mitzvahs and christenings, will also be able to take place with 30 people.
The rules for care home residents visiting out and receiving visitors will change, allowing up to five named visitors (two at any one time), provided visitors test negative for COVID-19.
All higher education students will be able to access in-person teaching.
Support groups and parent and child group gathering limits will increase to 30 people (not including under 5s)
There will no longer be a legal restriction or permitted reason required to travel internationally. There will be a traffic light system for international travel, and you must follow the rules when returning to England depending on whether you return from a red, amber or green list country.
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In reply to Post #212
No
Read the government website.
Travel to Green County is allowed for leisure purposes. Portugal is Green you can go for ANY reason.
My reading of the government website clearly says that you should not travel to red or amber countries for leisure purposes.
As i said BA has issued a note to all people booked on flights to red and Amber countries after 17rh May reminding them that leisure travel is not permitted..
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In reply to Post #209
So it looks very likely the champions league is to be played in Portugal which is a green travel
Country, are you saying then that fans are not allowed to travel as this would fall under a leisure activity ???
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International leisure travel from the UK will be allowed from 17th May. Whether you get in depends on the rules of the country you are visiting. Whether you isolate on your return, either at home or in a hotel depends on where you came from.
Its that simple.
Covid test requirements will depend on the destination country, and of course the UK requirements foryour return.
Hopefully, EU traffic light status will change in June.
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In reply to Post #209
You need to read the government links I posted that clearly shows you're wrong and that it will not be illegat for leisure travel from the 17th
No reading between the lines or trying to justify anything from me, just providing the facts from our government
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In reply to Post #207
Wrong.
And the other suggestions in otjer posts that from 17th May it is OK to travel to amber country for a holiday. It is not and rwmaims illegal.
Uk Government website says
"it is not permitted to travel for a holiday"
In both respect of amber and red countries.
Indeed British Airways has issued a notification to all customers booked on flights to red and amber countries after 17th May advising them that they can not travel for holiday or leisure purposes.
France may well be willing to let you in but its illegal for you to leave the UK. Government website clearly says that.
In the same way you are legality entitled to leave the uk to go on Holiday ro Australia from 17th May because its on tje Green list, but they wont let you in.
You can all justify it and read between the lines. But a French Fishing Holiday is illegal even after the 17th May.
I dont like or support these rules, but they are the rules.
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In reply to Post #207
I for one remain confident that May 17th and June 9th will see a change for the better in line with the announcements already made by both UK & French governments.
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In reply to Post #206
Good afternoon everyone, as I told you we have been speaking to the English Ambassy yesterday and I have been phoning the Tourism Minister.
There has been some confusion on social media when you can travel to France.
Travel is permitted to France from the UK May 17th onwards. The requirements to enter France to the UK will be a negative PCR test prior to arrival.
France has stated that travel would be allowed for non EU countries from June 9th. The UK is one of the seven countries allowed to travel to France and this since the 12th March so it is definitely not illegal to travel in France.
I am joining to this post some informations that might interest you too.
Kind Regards
Pascale (Goncourt on FB)
P.s Also stated is that there are 7 non EU countries including the UK that can travel from 12th March along with EU countries ??
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In reply to Post #205
UK government pages
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-confirms-traffic-light-list-ahead-of-cautious-return-to-international-travel
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-coronavirus-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do#how-the-rules-will-change-on-17-may
There will no longer be a legal restriction or permitted reason required to travel internationally. There will be a traffic light system for international travel, and you must follow the rules when returning to England depending on whether you return from a red, amber or green list country.
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In reply to Post #203
I don't disagree with your thoughts on the rules but you have said "IF" they don't change. Currently the government advised that is what will happen on the 17th, but as always in these discussions over the last year ish, it's all speculation until the dates and it is officially announced or not.
We will see next week hopefully
I agree with the bending / ignoring of the rules by people, possibly a contributing factor to this keep dragging on etc.
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Was due to be in France first weekend of June. Have just been emailed by the lake to say that France are not allowing any tourists in before 9th June so we are looking at moving our booking.
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In reply to Post #201
We dont know that
Yes it may change, but if it doesn't then whether "the ballif gets your food," (hes still got to give it to you so theres an interaction) or "youve been tested", or "you know you will be ok" or whatever other 'reason' you may well conjure up to justify your trip, its clearly for leisure purposes, and therefore (assuming the rules dont change) isnt permitted.
And there in lies the problem here. From the very beginning of this whole pandemic people have found 'reasons' or justifications as to why a certain rule doesnt apply to them!!!
No wonder we were hit so hard (albeit i admit there are other reasons at play).
Why do "you" (and i dont mean you as the poster or particular individual) get to decide what rules apply to you and what rules dont?
I often find that those individuals that are selective with their rule interpretation are the first to complain when others break other rukes!
Its a thin end if a wedge. Either we all accept all the rules whether we like them or think they are sensible or we dont.
Personally i dont like ANY of these covid rules, as in the same way i dont like the UK speed limits, VAT rules, taxation, and a whole host of other rules.
But...
If the rules dont change come May 17th, a fishing trip to France is not permitted because its clearly a leisure activity, and therefore illegal. However you try to dress it up or justify it.
Accordingly if you go (even if you conjure up some self justification) you deserve to be stopped, turned back and fined in the same way as i would be if i drive my car down the motorway at 130mph! ,
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In reply to Post #194
Lake owner or bailiff will get your shipping. Pre covid it's something I've always done anyway. No skin off my nose popping down to get their stuff.
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In reply to Post #194
But isn't that just because it is the correct current stance of the uk? Currently international leisure travel is illegal but on / after the 17th I suspect that site will change to remove that statement as it will only be recommended against travel to amber countries
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In reply to Post #199
Great idea .
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In reply to Post #198
We could do with a dedicated thread on travel.experiences ONLY. People who have attempted to fulfill their trip to France for example, did they get through or turned away, what were they actually asked to provide, are they actively checking for bait/food, what's the cheapest PCR test etc etc? Just a thought as so many questions still unanswered.
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So where I work I get tested twice a week and it shows up on a app (v passport ) whether it’s positive or negative.
Now my question is would this be classed as a private test and therefore be acceptable as it’s not nhs ??
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In reply to Post #196
I think anybody who attempted to travel to France for fishing ATM runs the real risk of being turned back ay their point /port of exit from the UK.
And IMO rightly so.
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In reply to Post #194
Lake run by a French bailiff who is willing to do the shopping I dare say girls a few beers lol
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In reply to Post #193
As i said previously.
The self isolation rules are there for those people who are travelling for reasons OTHER than leisure purposes.
I have property in South Africa (bloody hell!) and have enquired with a lawyer if i could go. Answer Yes, provided its NOT for leisure purpose. I would have to demonstrate my reason for travel.
But upon return i would need to follow the rules for returning from a red list country.
So the rules are there for people who need to travel for valid reasons outside leisure purposes.
Turn up with a van load of carp fishing tackle at Dover or Folkestone and try convincing border control your trip isn't for leisure purposes if challanged. Best of luck!
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In reply to Post #192
Thats arrivals TO the uk.
The Government website says that you should not LEAVE the uk for travel to an amber or red rated country for leisure purposes.
So France may well let you in, but that aint no good if UK border force at say Dover wont let you leave!
Its like sticking Australia and NZ on the green list, great in theory, except they wont ket you in. So its pointless.
There is no joined up thinking between nation states.
And just as a matter of interest, if you do travel to France for a weeks fishing in the near future, what you going to eat for that week? (unless the lake provides food- even thats an issue). Because :
1. Brexit means you can not take your own food.
2. Given the current need to self isolate at the lake you are not permitted to pop down to Super U and stock up?
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In reply to Post #192
Amber List:
That covers the most popular UK holiday destinations such as Spain, France, Italy and Greece.
Transport secretary Grant Shapps said "you should not be travelling to these places right now".
Those who go against that guidance must take two post-arrival tests.
They are also required to self-isolate at home for 10 days, although they can reduce that time if they take an additional negative test on day-five.
Strange how they saying should not travel.but if you do then you should follow guidlines
If you not allowed to travel why have guidlines if you do
Nothing saying it is illegal
Be interesting if they do turn people away at the ferry or the folkstone
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In reply to Post #190
This is of the gov web site also my next post is off the directive from transport minister
Arrivals from the UK do not need to justify an essential reason to enter France. This applies to all air, car, ferry and train passengers. All other measures, detailed below, are in place for those travelling from the UK. The French government strongly advises limiting international travel to a minimum.
Arrivals from the UK will need to complete a ‘sworn statement’ (déclaration sur l’honneur) form self-certifying they are not suffering from symptoms associated with coronavirus and have not been in contact with confirmed cases in the preceding fortnight. This can be found on the French government’s website.
Testing requirements
All travellers from the UK, including children aged 11 and above, will need to present a negative PCR COVID-19 test result, carried out less than 72 hours before departure.
HGV or van drivers arriving in France from the UK are no longer required to provide a negative COVID-19 test to enter France. The latest information for HGV or van drivers is available here.
You should not use the NHS testing service to get a test in order to facilitate your travel to another country. You should arrange to take a private test from a private coronavirus testing provider.
Self-isolation
Passengers arriving in France from the UK will also be required to self-isolate for seven days on arrival, before taking another PCR test. Exit from this self-isolation period is subject to a negative test result. Find more information on how to get a PCR test in France.
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In reply to Post #189
The reasons for the guidelines if you do travel, is because there are other reasons for travel outside leisure.
For example you may own a property in an amber country and need to attend to it. Thats not leisure.
I actually own a property in a Red rated country and could in theory (based on my understanding) travel to that country on that basis (attending to property matters) but would then have to spend 11 days in a hotel room and pay £1750 for the pleasure upon my return.
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In reply to Post #189
Sorry
I am not understanding your point?
Are you saying it is OK to travel to a Amber country? Or not?
Govt website clearly says that travel to amber countries for leisure purposes is not permitted.
Now my questions are.... .
Is that advisory or the law? Which law? If and how it will be enforced ? Whats the sanction if you attempt to travel for leisure purposes ? Will they let you travel? Turn you back at your point of attempted departure ? Impose a fine? If so what fine? And on what basis?
The directive is clear enough, but the force and authority behind it isn't.
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In reply to Post #188
If that's the case why have guidlines for a amber country just have green and red the gov web site states not to travel but if you ignore the guidance then you have to follow the amber process this is misleading people
The brief was on foreign travel and they set out guidlines if you do travel the goverment should say unless the country on green list then no travelmallowed and against the law
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In reply to Post #187
Precisely.
I wonder how or if that will be enforced?
If you pitch up in Dover with a van load of fishing tackle you are clearly travelling for leisure purposes.
Will border control turn you away?
Its interesting that there is a general misconception that you can go to Amber counties for any reason, as long as you self isolate and carry out the tests, which is not the case.
No doubt some will try.
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In reply to Post #186
I saw that , gov website states “ don’t travel to amber countries for leisure purposes “
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In reply to Post #173
Amber list countries and territories
What you must do if you have been in an amber country or territory in the 10 days before you arrive in England.
You should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes.
Government website.
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In reply to Post #181
France vaccinated 617,000 people on May 7.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/2425456
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In reply to Post #183
Read again.
I said about 16or 17m have had both dosed here(uk)
Franve had only adminstered circa 17m single doses and onlt 7m both doses. Only about 23%of the population has had any vaccination in France.
Here circa 37m have had one dose and 16 or 17m both.
At france current rate it vaccinates about 10%of the population every 35 ish days. So to get to say 50% it will take another 2 +months. To get to 60% 3 and a half months.
They are doing about 350k a day. Half of our max figure.
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In reply to Post #182
You state 16 or 17 Mill have had both doses in France, isn't that about the same as here?
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In reply to Post #179
Unrestricted access to France ie without the need to quarantine either this side or that (or both) will be the Autumn in my opinion.
At Frances current situation and vaccination rates its extremely unlikely that the UK Government will take France out of Amber until then. Its a simple mathematical calculation by assuming they follow the same path as we did.
France has been slow with the vaccination. We started in December (or January in earnest, and picked up pace late Feb). The NHS did an incredible job but here we are 5 months later and we are still not at heard immunity. Many people haven't had their 2nd dose (I think only 16 or 17m have had both).
If France manage to go at the same rate we went at (unlikely) they will get to where we are NOW at about mid August. (thats only 3 months away). Given a greater level of reluctance for the vaccination in France, and its bigger, and they dont have the same level of access to the vaccination we had, i consider it will take them longer.
Until they (France) reach a point at where we are now they are going to stay amber.
Just do a quick mathematical calculation. Given populations are similar in size its not difficult.
People are being far to optimistic.
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In reply to Post #180
How can he be certain.
France is not vaccinating anything like 500k a day. Thats bollox.
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In reply to Post #1
I have been in conversation today with a French lake owner who assures me that my 2 week trip from 5th June will go ahead as France will be Green by then due to the fact that France has vaccinated 17 million people and is currently vaccinating 500000 people per day. The owner also stated that Bars and Cinemas are opening on 19th May and that all will be well for my trip.
The concerns I raised with said lake owner about quarantine on this side were ushered away with the 100% certainty that they will be on the green list by then and no quarantine required. I was also told that there would be no further chance of my trip being moved as a result of this certainty.
As party organiser, I am left with the complete drama of what if's right up until our departure time.
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In reply to Post #178
How can you say october as people are planning on going out on 22nd or do you mean travel without testing etc
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In reply to Post #177
I’m guessing they might see through that maybe you can make up some bull**** about a work party?
Simple fact is people will start taking the piss and we go back to lockdown.
I think the venues simply couldn’t rearrange again.
It’s going to be October IMO
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I know because if that’s the case I would hire a van as it would work out much much cheaper
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In reply to Post #175
Would be great but i should imagine that's on freight???
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So if your a fisherman and plan on going soon and you drive a van you don’t need a test ???
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In reply to Post #167
It is likely to be a practical and realistic option for some and not for others. France being in the amber zone is what most people thought would happen. The doom mongers will likely continue to be negative whilst others will take the opportunity to go.
Fishery owners can't continue to roll over bookings so I suspect some tough decisions will have to be made.
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In reply to Post #172
This is off the gov .uk site and date the 8th may
This is what we need to do pretty straight forward
Travel between the UK and France
Arrivals from the UK do not need to justify an essential reason to enter France. This applies to all air, car, ferry and train passengers. All other measures, detailed below, are in place for those travelling from the UK. The French government strongly advises limiting international travel to a minimum.
Arrivals from the UK will need to complete a ‘sworn statement’ (déclaration sur l’honneur) form self-certifying they are not suffering from symptoms associated with coronavirus and have not been in contact with confirmed cases in the preceding fortnight. This can be found on the French government’s website.
Testing requirements
All travellers from the UK, including children aged 11 and above, will need to present a negative PCR COVID-19 test result, carried out less than 72 hours before departure.
HGV or van drivers arriving in France from the UK are no longer required to provide a negative COVID-19 test to enter France. The latest information for HGV or van drivers is available here.
You should not use the NHS testing service to get a test in order to facilitate your travel to another country. You should arrange to take a private test from a private coronavirus testing provider.
Self-isolation
Passengers arriving in France from the UK will also be required to self-isolate for seven days on arrival, before taking another PCR test. Exit from this self-isolation period is subject to a negative test result. Find more information on how to get a PCR test in France.
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In reply to Post #171
I would imagine owners are just as confused as anglers are at the moment.. saw on the Gigantica fb yesterday that they will open on 22th but they deleted it now so I would guess everybody is seeking more info and alternatives.
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In reply to Post #170
Managed to get to france last year and to me this is no different except the goverment requiring pcr test to line the pockets of private companies
We had to self isolate last year we filled I the locator form and out of 7 of us not one was contacted
I will be travelling for my week and like I have stated I paid for all this years trips last year you can get a test for £45 plus by time I go I would have had my 2nd jab so it could be a case that I will not need a pcr test to enter france
Us anglers are less likely to catch it at a lake than all these numbers sitting outside in Soho having food but we are restricted but they can go out in there droves
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In reply to Post #169
Agree that in general owners have been very accommodating. I'm not casting aspersions, just interested to see what the stance will be given that we can, albeit at extra cost, travel to the lake and the fact many owners deemed this as a refusal to go not an instruction in past lockdowns. I know many lake owners and feel very much for their predicament.
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In reply to Post #168
I would say owners (majority) did what they could but at this point I am not sure they can keep postponing dates...
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In reply to Post #167
I can see your point and agree with the timings however lots of people will be travelling to France on an Amber status when France give them the green light. I personally will be doing the calculations for July as i am fortunate to get lots of paid holiday which reduces the burden and i can clear the Mrs list of homely duties whilst isolating. The extra cost of 2 x PCR tests and an extra week's holiday will be a mere inconvenience to some people. The cost of the test is coming down daily and in a few months you'll be able to get them for less than £100 the pair which for some people will be a price worth paying. I say 2 as there has been a suggestion on here from Dave that the French test is often free and you can test again 5 days in for early release once home. If, as most do, you arrive home Saturday afternoon you can send your test off Thursday afternoon and should receive it back before work Monday. Even 3 tests will be value for some.
The interesting part for me and the deal breaker will be whether venues in France start to deny a re booking as you can physically get there, you just don't want to. This has been the case in previous lockdowns when we were required to quarantine on return for 10 days. Would like to here from lake owners on this. Jim Everiss from Moulin Du Mee is generally level headed and on this thread.
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In reply to Post #165
Yes.
Its just too much hassle, time and cost.
Inevitable that some will just ignore the rules and go anyway.
But i was astounded that there were people genuinely believing that a French fishing trip was a practical proposition in say June!
And then those who suggested money would be the driver for unrestricted access to Europe!
Until the French and rest of Europe get to somewhere near where we are in terms of vaccination and infection rates they will stay amber.
Given France has about the same population as UK, if they go at the same pace we did, which was astoundingly quickly, which is unlikely (this is France!) they could possibly get there by about August at the earliest from where they are now.
Its more likely to be late September /October or if they drag things out end of the year.
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In reply to Post #162
Cost.
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In reply to Post #162
In other words forget it!
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The biggest problem I see is people trying to hide their boilies away
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In reply to Post #162
Yep
That's about it.
And i am not surprised (see below i forecast that!)
And i cant see France coming off that amber list until the autumn.
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In reply to Post #161
What an absolute nightmare !
The way I understand it . To go to France fishing before June 9th you have to -
Have a PCR test before you leave the U.K. .
Download and fill in the French forms saying that you not been around anyone with COVID and giving permission to be tested at random .
Give the address where you are going to self isolate for 7 days ( the lake ! )
On the 7th day have a French PCR test ( if negative you can leave the lake )
This PCR test you can then use to get back into the U.K.
Log on and Fill in the U.K. personal locator form .
Once back in the U.K. you must qaurantine for 10 days
You must take a PCR test on Day 2
You can take another PCR test on day 5 and if negative can leave quarantine ( which is day 7 realistically by the time you get the results ) .
Have I missed anything 😭😭😭
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In reply to Post #160
Following todays announcement by the Govt, it must be a nightmare for lake operators in France as to know what to do about their customers who are booked on holidays from 17 May. Personally I think there should not have been a traffic light system, it should be red or green, you can go or not go!
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In reply to Post #156
Quarantine will be compulsory back in the UK when you return, good luck with your holiday!
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In reply to Post #156
So France on the amber list. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#amber-list
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In reply to Post #157
Thanks for that, reviews look a bit rubbish but as long as you have the tracking number you'll be fine. I'd probably use someone else for the 'fit to travel' test - I'd rather pay a few more pound for the service to ensure there was no drama before departing. Thanks again.
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In reply to Post #156
Eurofin £44 is cheapest I have found
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In reply to Post #155
I don't think June 9th date matters much. I'm going May 22nd (assuming amber not red). The lake I am going to have advised that you can isolate at your lake. It will only be an issue for you if you combine travel away from the lake to local restaurants etc. Lake owner also advised there appears to be little enforcement - I believe quarantine is voluntary. So, I would get planning on the assumption you can go. Next stage for me is to find some reasonable costs for PCR testing. Good luck.
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In reply to Post #154
Can someone send me the web site where it confirms this 9th june please as if france are amber I will be travelling as I paid for my trips last year so not paid for any trips this year so going to use the money I saved not booking this year to pay for the pcr tests
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In reply to Post #153
Won't really make much difference what the former alias using get rich quick salesman says this evening as France aren't changing anything in regards to their travel restrictions till June 9.
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In reply to Post #152
Only if they get to grips with the Pandemic and are rated 'green' - safe, for UK travellers.... Can't see France being deemed safe ATM due to their levels of cases being so high. Tests are mandatory for Green rated countries as well...
Catagories for destinations being released today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57021044
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52544307
What have other countries said about holidays?
The European Commission has recommended allowing travel for anyone who has received the last dose of an EU-approved vaccine at least two weeks beforehand. Vaccines used in the UK would qualify
France says tourists with a French Covid-19 "health pass" (TousAntiCovid) will be allowed from 9 June
Need more info on the France requirement......
But here's the requirements from a UK perspective for 'Green' destinations -
Green countries
Travellers to countries on the green list will need to:
Take a private Covid test in their holiday destination, before returning - this can be a lateral flow test or a PCR test
Fill in a passenger locator form online before leaving their destination
Take a private PCR test on or before day two of their arrival in England
No need to quarantine on return, or take additional tests, unless the post-arrival test is positive
The cost of a private PCR test varies between suppliers, but the transport secretary said he hoped prices could come down to less than £50 per person. Tui Group is offering test packages for between £20 and £90.
There will be a "green watch list", to give people advance notice of countries about to move to amber or red.
I just checked my area and the cost of a PCR test was £175..... but found some now sub £100
So how are countries rated??
The government has not detailed all of the data it will assess, or what numbers will determine a country’s green, amber or red status. It has said that vaccination numbers, vaccination rates, the prevalence of variants and the country’s ability to identify those variants will be key factors in rating countries. Until the government makes public all the data it considers and what the ranges are for placing countries in red, amber or green it’s impossible to be certain which countries will be placed in a category.
Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/05/travel-traffic-light-green-list-countries-where-holiday-abroad/ - Which?
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In reply to Post #151
Think your interpretation is about right! I think most people booked to go to France mid July should maybe have a normal holiday with no restrictions or the inconvenience of tests or quarantine, that would be my best guess.
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In reply to Post #150
France have declared dates on when they are dropping travel restrictions . I can’t remember what they are off hand. The 17 May is the date France will likely be categorised as amber by U.K. hence able to travel subject to testing and quarantine on return
It is likely France will welcome travelers from 9th June from what I’ve read, so until then I have to follow the 7 day rule plus a pcr test at border and after 7 days.
That’s how I interpret it, but might be wrong
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In reply to Post #148
Apologies , I’m a little confused . Do you mean France looks like they are dropping all these travel restrictions on the 17th as well . Or are you referring to the UK,s being dropped the same date ?
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In reply to Post #148
The comment relating to business I think applied to the UK rules complying with essential travel.
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In reply to Post #147
Website says negative pcr test at border and sworn declaration and address for 7 self isolation, and address of pcr test taken in France (pharmacy address).
No business reasons needed unless u r travelling outside curfew hours
It suggests u can travel from 17 May if u want to go through the hassle and expense of it all
Given the jersey situation I expect border force will be confiscating boilies in the boot as well!
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In reply to Post #145
Negative pcr test £65 and all business related paperwork, French registration number, house and business bills and had to fill a declaration form stating reason for travel, apparently Customs Officers at every Peage!
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In reply to Post #143
Do those claiming to travel for work purposes have to show a work permit now we are not in the EU?
Edit
oops someone has already asked that
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In reply to Post #144
What paperwork did they require to travel for work purposes
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In reply to Post #143
I know a couple of people who have gone out there in the last 2 weeks and had to quarantine for 7 days and also take a covid test while they were there as well as before they went there.
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In reply to Post #139
A quick question for those members who have travelled to France recently ( for work )
The French 7 day quarantine - Is that compulsory , with checks . Or just “recommended “ ?
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In reply to Post #141
Posting on the wrong forum I think.
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In reply to Post #140
They won't be able to check once they have cut the electric off 😂😂😂😂 , the French , completely bonkers , a country so wasted on them .
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In reply to Post #138
The EU is apparently working with the US to develop a process to verify tourist vaccine status. Apparently no EU /UK equivalent discussion has yet taken place..... I personally hope this happens soon, my France trips in August and Late Oct depend on it. And I have to get to France from the US via the UK🤞🤞
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In reply to Post #138
that's a fair point
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In reply to Post #137
Thanks but I know that having had both jabs, that card is not likely to be accpeted as proof of vaccination as it is so easy to forge. We will have to wait and see what happens, when it happens and if it happens (lol).
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In reply to Post #135
when you have your jab, you receive a little card as proof
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In reply to Post #135
Like most things.... they'll be a printable version.
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In reply to Post #134
Think your are right Phil, but what happens to us poor o.a.p.s who use pay as you go mobiles that are not linked to the internet?
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I’m sure I heard that if you have the jab it will be put onto the NHS app if you have it as proof
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In reply to Post #132
I imagine the cost of tests will come down prior to travel being given the green light. Maybe they'll allow lateral flow tests.
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I have 3 trips from August onwards. Hope things change as currently it would be £450 per trip just on covid tests!!! (Even if you are fully vaccinated)
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In reply to Post #127
It's looking very optimistic IMO, looking very promising, all we we now need is for France to get to grips with vaccinating the population ( this really is the ONLY way out of Covid lockdowns and health system overwhelming ) so the numbers drop and then France will be in the Green and we can visit freely.
ATM I'd say anything July or Aug onwards looks like it might be okay, anything later looks like it should be a safe bet but this depends mainly upon Covid variants.
I have a booking late in the year and one moved to next March but if the situation improves I'll be trying to get March 22 booking moved back to 21.....
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In reply to Post #129
Probably be dead by then.
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Will be all good by 2028 🤫
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In reply to Post #127
Same here,😡
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Got two antumn trips booked and part paid. Not feeling confident at all.
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In reply to Post #125
It should have been today but they missed the deadline
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So I stead of today being promised we will now know in the next few weeks which countries will be green,amber,red
🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞 for lake owners and us
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In reply to Post #121
what wont be in place??
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I feel for the owners of the French lakes but sadly agree
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In reply to Post #121
Bet it will be.
Green, amber and red list likely to last rest of year.
France, based on current figures is well and truly in the amber category (and there is an argument that of all European countries it maybe should be classified lred).
France has absolutely no prospect of meeting the criterion for being classified Green by UK government by 9th June (which relates to infection rates AND levels of vaccination (both doses) in the relevant country) .
Having to quarantine 10 days (with the opportunity for early release after day 5) will be a feature of travelling (and therefore any fishing trip) to France until they have a sufficient level of vaccination and much lower infection rates.
In my opinion thay will be the Autumn.
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In reply to Post #119
That won't be in place by June 9.
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Good luck is all i say haha
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In reply to Post #117
and of course, at present, there is still the matter of 10 days isolation when you return from your fishing week....so a week off work becomes 3 weeks off work How many can afford that?
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In reply to Post #115
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210429-covid-19-france-aims-to-relax-curfew-allow-outdoor-dining-and-reopen-cultural-venues-from-may-19
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In reply to Post #116
On French News today, President Macron has announced the stages out of french lockdown, and stage 3 is that from June 9th they will be accepting foreign travellers that are in possession of a ‘health pass’ , seems very optimistic when the daily cases are still over 30k and the deaths are still over 300 a day. Of course we don´t know how France will be classified by our Government under the traffic light system, but does give a bit of hope to anglers booked on a French trip from 9 June.
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In reply to Post #112
Same for me. I will miss my May trip again this year and unlike last year, will not be looking to go later in the year. Don't want the uncertainty, hassle and potential cost.
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In reply to Post #113
Its extremely unlikely that Covid 19 will ever be eradicated.
Mankind has only ever eradicated 1 disease in its History- Smallpox.
Therefore if you are correct travel restrictions will be the new normal,
Or we learn to treat it like flu (which once most of the world population is vaccinated it largely will be).
I can not see much hope European travel before Autumn (when most of UK will be fully vaccinated and after the risks of children (un-vaccinated) going abroad and bringing it back has diminished because of school Holidays ended). Even this will be subject to an EU/UK agreement on a standard Covid Passport- and as we know from experience agreement between the UK and EU is never swift!!.
Long Haul will depend on destination, but outside USA (Probably autumn as well) most will be much later- 2022 or beyond.
So IMO if your French trip is Mid September or later you will probably be OK , before that it is likely to be doubtful.
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In reply to Post #112
Chances are if you want to travel to the EU for the foreseeable future that there will be requirements to prove your health status, we require something similar to come to the UK now, Covid isn't going away any time soon so this may be the norm for many years to come.
This will be the new normal until either Covid 19 is eradicated or it eradicates us.
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In reply to Post #108
Waaaaaayyy too much trouble for me that is. French trips can gladly take a back seat this yr, its the UK all the way for me in 2021!!
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In reply to Post #110
who? there is no general rule for eu and there will not be one... Each country will still set their own limits/rules... it only makes sense as each country is affected differently by virus... this app/document or however we want to call it will only be a common way to show what you did or you have regarding virus (pcr or hat test, vaccine when and which one, proof that you had corona etc).
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In reply to Post #109
which tests will they be requesting?
PCR or lateral flow?
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In reply to Post #108
It is not only proof of vaccination. It will show if you have had covid and proof of negative tests. I therefore assume it will allow travel for those unable to be vaccinated.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_1181
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/american-travel-eu-summer-vaccine-b1837442.html
Some good news...
Vaccinated people to be allowed to travel in EU this summer without restrictions...
So.... If you fancy a trip to the EU to fish this year and possibly next year best you get yourself vaccinated and apply for that EU vaccination passport when it is rolled out..
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In reply to Post #106
I stand corrected, my French isn't as good as I thought.
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In reply to Post #105
Think it translates as " night fishing is still not possible"
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In reply to Post #104
Think that translates as not always possible at night? It doesn't say interdit (forbidden).
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In reply to Post #103
Exactly ! same as my email no fishing at night.
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In reply to Post #102
This was the reply I got to my email:
Bonjour,
Le couvre-feu étant toujours en vigueur de 19H à 6H00, la pêche de nuit n’est toujours pas possible.
Cordialement.
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In reply to Post #101
Copied from the official french gov site
7 Activité physique, de plein air, promenade (dans un rayon de 10 kilomètres autour de votre domicile)
- Déplacements liés à la promenade, à l’activité physique individuelle, à l’activité de plein air,
aux besoins des animaux de compagnie.
Vous ne devez remplir l’attestation pour ce motif que si vous ne pouvez présenter un justificatif de domicile.
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In reply to Post #97
Maybe you can fish at night in a differant department but here in the Limousin there is no night fishing ! the email from the federation d'peche clearly states respect the curfew hours, ( l know this as l live in France too ) Even tomorrow when the travel restrictions are lifted you can still not leave your home for recreational purposes during curfew hours!
If you read the attestation their is no box to tick Number 7 for "Activité physique " for 19.00 - 6.00 h
Edit : Sorry meant to say next Monday not today when travel restrictions are lifted.
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In reply to Post #99
Nah I won’t, it might just be the region I’m in isn’t allowing it.
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In reply to Post #98
just dont push it if they tolerate it leave it at that!
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In reply to Post #97
I’ve just replied to their email asking for clarity. I’ve loads of time on my hands but days only gives me more frustration than satisfaction, so I don’t do them.
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In reply to Post #96
its wrong, night fishing is fine here, you just cant travel during the curfew hours. If you are set up and fishing you can stay the night but you cant travel before 6am....I know this as I live in France and have just come back from a 3 day trip, no problems at all, garde de peche checked our tickets, no problem with night fishing at all
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In reply to Post #95
The email I got translates to this:
Rules to be observed:
- Respect the 6 am to 7 pm time slot for your travels. The practice of night carp fishing remains impracticable in the public domain.
- Bring your proof of address and the exceptional travel certificate by checking box 7 (Physical activity, outdoor activities, etc.).
- Do not forget your fishing license, it constitutes proof of your practice, just like your equipment.
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In reply to Post #93
No it isnt, night fishing is ok . Travel must be outside of the curfew times
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In reply to Post #93
This is a translation for the federation de peche this week, it seems that night fishing is allowed as long as the sanitary and travel time rules are adhered to.
Travel exemption granted to recreational fishing!
After numerous requests and long-term work with the public authorities, the FNPF obtained, for recreational fishing, the extension of the movement limit, initially from 10 km, to 30 km in a department.
Now for the practice of individual fishing, you can:
Go to a fishing spot located 30 km from your residence.
The confinement of carp anglers at the water's edge is possible (subject to strict compliance with sanitary rules)
Rules to be observed:
Respect the 6 am to 7 pm time slot for your travels.
Bring your proof of address and the exceptional travel certificate by checking box 7 (Physical activity, outdoor activities, etc.).
Do not forget your fishing license, it is proof of your practice just like your equipment.
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In reply to Post #92
Night fishing is banned at the moment. Fishing / exercise is not allowed after curfew hours 19.00 - 6.00. You can only leave your home after 19.00 for work, health reasons, motif impérieux aid /assistance to vunrables, or see to animals within 1 klm of your residance,
bivvy-ing in a field does not count as a place of residance.
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In reply to Post #89
Yes you can still night fish BUT you have to be there before 7pm and cant leave before 6am (current curfew hours)
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In reply to Post #90
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In reply to Post #89
From my understanding it is all to do with the curfew Dave. That's our interpretation anyway.
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In reply to Post #86
Hi Jim, night fishing banned in France? I thought EU anglers were still continuing to be able to night fish, maybe I am wrong?
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In reply to Post #87
I believe the EU travel pass will show test results and if you have had the virus already, not just vaccines, so even those unable to be vaccinated can travel.
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It seems likely that the EU will introduce some kind of covid/health passport of some kind, if they do you won't have a choice but to engage with it if you want to travel to the EU. This is very straightforward, it's not down to how we feel it's right or wrong because that does not matter, if they bring it in you will have to do it.
Now that that's all resolved the situation has not really changed in France recently, the numbers of cases are still bobbing about with the current 7 day average of 33k a day. If i recall they are reviewing it every month so it seems reasonable to expect this to continue until they have a significant level of their population vacinated because there is no other way to get out of lockdown. I realise that revelation upsets some so if your one of the anti vaccers then feel free to say how you will manage the pandemic in a humane reasonable way reducing deaths to the minumum.
Here's hoping that 3rd Q 2021 is a go for travel to France without rediculous requirements of quarantine so we can get back to the fisheries and get hauling and the gravy train gets rolling again for the venues.
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In reply to Post #84
I think the problem with giving updated information on the website is that we really have nothing new to report. Nothing has changed for some months and we have no idea or when we will be able to take UK anglers once more. Your comment regarding continental anglers is valid however when all our weeks are currently booked by UK anglers it would not be right to invite EU anglers to fish them. I also understand that night fishing is banned at the moment so that is of no help.
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In reply to Post #83
I have a suspicion that the financial pressures of continued lockdown and restricted travel will begin to influence decisions as the year progresses. One thing for sure is that Covid is going to be with us for a very long time so I believe that testing and inoculation are likely to influence how Governments react to the travel situation. As a lake owner I can see that with bookings being carried forward it will be some years yet before income looks like getting back to some degree of normality. Tough times.
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In reply to Post #83
Digital passport was only proposed by 12 eu members, not many really important ones... Eu in general didnt decide anything on it yet and with all the problems and WHO against it it will take a lot of time for that idea to become reality (imo)... What I miss from owners is more up to date situation and information on their web sites/fb about situation in France and conditions for entering/traveling for EU and UK anglers... Still believe that EU anglers will be the first ones that will be able to proper travel in France but dont see many owners really do much on attracting them in any way...
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In reply to Post #82
Jim, i make you right. But the problem with a COVID passport is that is a political hot potato to introduce it until you have offered the vaccine to everyone, and that they have had both doses. (even then what do you do about under 18s? and those that cant have the vaccination for medical reasons ?)
It can not be right that Grandpa and Grandma can bugger off to spain for a fortnight because they have been vaccinated, but their grandchildren are grounded at home, can it? Especially when the young have given up so much in respect of a disease, that FOR THEM at least, is unlikely to be serious at all.
So if we do the maths, by the time we have offered both doses to the entite UK population, thats going to be late October /early November at the earliest.
I cant see UK joining any digital passport introduced until then, unless they make the vaccination commercially accessible, which they (UK Government) say they won't.
This probably means that foreign travel without isolation and or significant restrictions is off the cards for most people this year, so i recon its another right off for an entite season for france in terms of fishing, i hope i am wrong, but i am not very optimistic on the near future (ie rest of 2021) in terms of travel outside UK being accessible.
Australia, by way of example, has made it clear that its borders are likely to remain shut until 2023.
There will come a point when travel returns to something that is taken for granted and easy for all, but i doubt its within the remaining part of this year. We are nearly in month 5 and not much has changed. I dont believe BJ for one minute on qny of his promises given the track record.
Do you have bookings then Jim you recon will go ahead?
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In reply to Post #80
I see that the EU are now planning to implement a digital health pass by mid to late June to allow holiday travel within the EU. I feel that Yidboy is quite correct in as much as it has now become clear that Covid is with us long term and we must learn to live with it. Inoculation, whether you agree with it or not, is certainly going to be a major factor in whether you can travel or not and Covid tests before crossing borders will become the norm. For those anglers that refuse to be vaccinated it is very likely that you will not be fishing on the Continent for the foreseeable future imo.
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In reply to Post #79
open to anyonhe who can travel........French anglers only at present!
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In reply to Post #74
Lot's of if's, buts and maybes.......the simple fact is that we are unlikely to ever be covid free so the respective governments are building plans to be able to live alongside covid not free of it. The vaccination programme as mentioned already is designed to reduce the impact of the virus not to prevent infection rates. We are all going to run the risk of infection just by walking out of our front door so adherence to preventative measures is about the best we can do plus the vaccination. France like every other country won't be under the illusion that they will be covid free at any stage and the economic pressure cooker surrounding every country with high infection rates will eventually tip the scales. Yes passport control will have risks of infection so wear gloves and a mask etc etc etc. Common sense, vaccine and adherence to the rules are our only defence not battening down borders for the rest of time! Life WILL go on.
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Could the lake owners in France explain if their lakes are closed ? Either by themselves or by the french government
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In reply to Post #76
ahh well done you!!
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In reply to Post #75
No because I live in FRANCE
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In reply to Post #74
I go to super U every week. I haven't had covid. 😂
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In reply to Post #74
And why wouldnt they... Ffs if this virus would be so easy to get for sure we would all be alredy infected like 10 times... Prettty sure you people get out of car in UK dont you?
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In reply to Post #72
ok fine BUT lots of anglers do go on ferry, do stop for fuel do go to super U..thats all Im saying
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In reply to Post #69
i dont, go on train, dont get out, dont stop for a p£ss nor fuel
3.5 hours drive into france, i can get there and back on one tank of fuel
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In reply to Post #70
The vaccine is to prevent serious illness and hospitalisation. It does not prevent catching or spreading. Sounds like it did as it was meant to.
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In reply to Post #69
Where I come from we just had outbrake in elderly home... 26/28 infected was vaccinated 2 times with Pfizer... Yes they all have mild symptoms and vaccine probably saved some lives but it just shows that vaccine passports are total and utter idiotism as vaccine doesnt prevent infections and spread of virus.
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In reply to Post #68
OK whatever you say, you take a chance, most wont....but France isnt open yet thats all..
PS you mix with people on the ferry, customs officers, when you stop for a piss or some food , going to supermarket for beers or food, so you could get infected quite easily bearing in mind the infection rate in France 39000 new cases yesterday !!
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In reply to Post #67
If you tested negative in the UK, been lakeside for a week, I doubt you'll test positive before you return. A small chance, it's always possible. Will most take the chance? I'd say yes. I've been to Spain twice this year from France. Would I go again? Yes. Whatever you do in life involves some risk.
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In reply to Post #66
Straightforward yes, but can cost 60 euros each , they are not all free for tourists
Imagine if you test positive, where are you gonna go, cant stay at the lake cant get home?
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In reply to Post #64
Most pharmacies in France do testing and give vaccinations so it should be straightforward.
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In reply to Post #64
the rates are LOWER than UK? Really? ON my covid app yesterdays Covid infections (new) shows as being 29344......what was the UKs number?
Yes people may be allowed to travel to France BUT will they want to pay the 2-300 quid for the 2 and 8 day tests in the UK AND isolate for 7-10 days when returning home, thus turning your 7 day trip into 3 weeks off work?
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In reply to Post #63
Watched french 24hr news last week the head of infection in france was adamant the country will be green middle of next month he was saying the rates are lower than the uk and the programme roll out will be inline with expectations he was asked twice if he meant people would be able to travel to france and he replied yes in his view there would be no issue with travel to france he was quiet clear in his statements
Also the lake I am due travel to have confirmed the local chemist will carry out pcr test for anglers in the area free of charge
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In reply to Post #62
The bait problem will never change. It's a situation that's been in place for decades. Covid will eventually be controlled. India isn't on the red list, would France be on red if India isn't? Be a rather strange ruling. But who knows with Bonking Boris?
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As a lake owner, I believe that French trips for 2021 will be a complete washout......people just cant afford to do the 10 day quarantine after their trip (1750 in a hotel if France goes on the red list, which is looking increasingly likely)......very slight possibility in Sept or Oct IF the French rates rapidly decrease....but then you also have the bait problem....2020 and 2021 have been terrible for lake owners over here, despite people thinking we are all rich and can ride out the storm, it really isnt like that at all....we are just hoping we can still open in 2022
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In reply to Post #57
Well put Bullseye.
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In reply to Post #59
At least a few on here understand the reality not the fairy tale .
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In reply to Post #58
Yes, testing is where they need to invest. Effective track and trace along with fast and accurate testing is the way forward. Hoping for a covid cure is a non starter. But the politicians will probably go with both approaches as they can rinse more money out of the public doing both test, track, trace and vaccination.
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In reply to Post #57
instead of working on quality, fast, easy to do self tests they are investing billions in vaccines that are totally useless when virus mutates properly... how everything is being handled there is no hope for another few years...
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In reply to Post #52
As Chile is proving, vaccination doesn't mean lower infection rates. Death rates yes. A vaccine doesn't stop the spread or contraction. If you work purely on infection rates you will never get abroad, vaccines or not.
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I would put money on it that rates go up and we go back into lockdown .
Just looking today people have just thought sod it and are doing what they like .
I think 2021 will be a washout for trips and if it were me I would probably go for a 2025 booking 🤭🤫😷
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In reply to Post #54
When I moved my booking to 2023 the lake owner was confident the week could be filled as plenty waiting to fish the place. I had booked two years earlier and it was one of the last weeks available. What I did say when I moved the booking was that he could keep my deposit and I would pay another one for 2023 as I realise how hard this must be for them financially. To be fair to him he did not take me up on my offer but if he can't have any anglers the week I should have been there then the deposit is still there if he wants it, can't be fairer than that.
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In reply to Post #52
What makes you think that if Johnson lets the uk go abroad this summer, that the EU will be letting you in, when the highest strain in France is the " anglaise variante "
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In reply to Post #52
Bet they don't!
Hope I am wrong. But I really can't see Bojo taking that risk. Not until all of Europe has got on top of infection rates and vaccination. That will not be until the autumn at the earliest.
We will see.
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In reply to Post #49
4.9% and largely in the east of France
I’m guessing France will still be red until at least 28th June, but it could make the amber list.
Portugal is now proving that without large parts of the population vaccinated the case rate flies straight back up once u ease restrictions so the EU needs to get moving on the vaccinations.
Government will moveEU to green for the summer if only for a month or two
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In reply to Post #48
My bad - green or amber list.
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In reply to Post #48
My bad - green or amber list.
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In reply to Post #48
The South Africa strain only accounts for 4.9% of covid cases in France.
https://sante.journaldesfemmes.fr/fiches-maladies/2693761-variant-sud-africain-du-covid-en-france-symptomes-vaccin-carte-dangereux-nom-difference-variant-anglais-1615288645.amphtml/
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In reply to Post #47
If its on the "Green list" then there is no quarantine required.
I doubt most of Europe will make the green list until later on in the year. Some may even initially be on the red list (France? ) because of the SA strain. I suspect most will make the Green list by about or around October 2021.
Fishing in France this year is likely to be off the cards for most. Remember to get a vaccine passport you need both doeses and a further 14 days. Even for an oder (55+) like me that's early July time.
Politically Bojo cannot afford to open up world travel without restrictions given the economic damage any further lockdown will cause, here. He made that mistake (open borders) at the outset of all of this. Not going to repeat it. He is going to be very cautious in my opinion on this, regardless of the pressure.
Proper and complete unrestricted travel (likely to be subject to a vaccine passport) is not likely to occur until first quarter of 2022 at the earliest. Australia has confirmed its borders are likely to remain shut until July 2022!!
So its possible that even the first few months of next year France may require quarantine upon returning.
A constant feature of this "pandemic" has been the over optimistic timescales people have put on all of this, our "leaders" included. Remember "3 weeks to flattern the curve"?
They either knew or know and didn't /don't want to tell us all the reality as the public would freak out (my opinion) or are just bloody useless!
I would not book anything anywhere for the foreseeable future!
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In reply to Post #46
I will not be at all surprised if most of Europe is on the green list next month. Doubtless travel will come with testing and quarantine provisos. You may think this will be madness but the pressure is on, it just wouldn't surprise me.
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In reply to Post #43
Another one who thinks owning a fishery is all red wine and roses. Buy a lake, throw in some fish, sit back and take people's money. Haven't got a clue.
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In reply to Post #43
oh dear.
I think you missed the point entirely.
Never mind. Perhaps you were taken for a ride by a Fishery and are suffering from the misconceptions that they are allrolling around in euros every Friday night drinking Moet!
FYI. I have actually lost a deposit from a large fishery. The original booking was made in 2018 for April /May 2020. A fortnight £650. They were good enough to roll it forward an entire year, but obviously that's not possible either. Now I understand they have gone bust.My £60 gone with their business.
Do you think they went bust on purpose?
I doubt it. While I lost £650 deposit, they lost everything.
This has been a tough time for everyone . But again I ask you, could you afford to go 2 years without income?
The point of my post wasn't to ask people for sympathy for fishery owners, just a bit of empathy and understanding.
The fact that was missed by you, or misunderstood (being generous) demonstrates the inability for most people to see something from any other perspective other than their own (selfishness perhaps?) and explains an awful lot about why we are where we are.
Maybe we can all spend Thursday nights looking for your understanding of fellow man? I won't be joining in!
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In reply to Post #43
You know the reality of the Covid situation has been a downer both healthwise and financially for much of the population however it is a fact that the leisure industry as a whole has taken a huge financial hit over the last two years and included in that is fisheries, both UK and foreign. The fact that an odd fishery has been deemed to have acted unfairly to customers doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority have, and are, taking the financial hit of cancelled holidays with anglers being rescheduled for future dates. Consider for one moment that these days the majority of French commercial fisheries are family run rather than being large enterprises and the loss of almost 2 years income is not a small matter with both home and livelihood being put at risk. Bills are still significant and have to be paid, fish need feeding and maintenance continues. Non of us want a clap or praise but just a little understanding of the situation we find ourselves in.
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In reply to Post #42
Maybe we should clap for fishery owners then on a Thursday ,no fishing holiday is backed by ABTA ect and some of the hoodwinking that's going on by foreign fishery's is more than evident in non return of payments and so on ,and I'm not saying oldfella falls into this catagory nor do I know what fishery you run ,but to single out fishery owners as a point of concern and sorrow right now ,do me a favour
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In reply to Post #40
Great post.
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In reply to Post #40
Good post Paul and nice to see one from an angler that appreciates the tough time fisheries over here are having.
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In reply to Post #39
I don't blame you, but its the fisheries I feel sorry for.
They are going to go almost 2 years without any real income. They are not usually big companies but micro family businesses.
Imagine if you went 2 years without any income?
And they still need to feed the fish without anglers baits going in.
Being selfish, I dodged the bullet, narrowly missing out on buying a French Fishery in late 2019. God knows what would have happened if I had of been successful.
Maybe somebody up there was looking out for me!
But while we all complain about not getting out there, think of the guys who own the lakes.
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In reply to Post #38
Already cancelled my planned trip in September and moved it to 2023 as already got a trip planned next year. Can't see trips happening this year unfortunately.
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In reply to Post #37
Lets hope n pray mate
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
If you keep an eye on the cases you can see how France is coping with the pandemic. Another 43k cases today . I think September isn't a bad guess for a fishing trip. Fingers crossed
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In reply to Post #34
september
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In reply to Post #34
Regardless of the traffic light system being banded about the MSM today with mid April mentioned ,let's ffs get real about this ,France our destination are a couple of days into a month lockdown,like us they will be eased out of it and then eased back into the next one lol ,also couple that with most seasonal holiday flights only resuming and bookable for the end of June all to coincide with a hopeful return for the school holiday weeks at best ,imho if you have something booked then the later in the year it is the better ,I certainly wouldn't book nowt what so ever going forward where deposits or up front payments are concerned , and if you've already paid a deposit I would pay the fishery not another penny until you can actually arrive if a deposit has been taken ,regardless of what they say or tell you ...you will not get your money back half as easily as you passed it there way ...so pays your money and takes your chances ,I've already written off my 2 trips this year .I will go if I can but know it ain't happening ,I'm booked to go next Friday lol and mid June into early July ,
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In reply to Post #33
When can we go frenzy
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In reply to Post #32
Dunno about you lot, but im getting a tad bored of theories re covid blah blah blah
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I suggest you look at the Long Covid numbers at 1.1 million and counting...
"Rates were highest, at 18.2%, among 25- to 34-year-olds. The ONS said it was unclear whether the patterns were due to differences in the risk of contracting coronavirus, or susceptibility to developing long Covid post-infection."
You might have the mindset of 'It does not affect me so I don't need it.... I'll be alright...' but many younger adults are finding out that it's not just 'old' people that suffer badly from it after all....
Truth is that for France to get out of this they need to get their population vaccinated else they will just keep going in and out of lockdowns as their hospitals get overwhelmed.
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In reply to Post #27
1 more post......
Ok, 32 million vaccines done should mean less deaths than flu going forward according to reputable stats regarding covid 19......
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In reply to Post #28
Spot on Mr Tin.
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In reply to Post #26
I thought the biggest problem was not so much deaths ( any death is a tragedy btw) but the amount of people who would need to go into hospital, without any measures being taken the hospitals would be overwhelmed and unable to take in new patients.
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In reply to Post #24
32 million vulnerable people have not been vaccinated as you have stated
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In reply to Post #25
The figures supplied by the ONS is 552 deaths under 60 for England and Wales and this is only upto 31st December 2020.
Covid-19 survival rate is not 99.991% for under 60s
According to NHS data, as of 21st January there have for people between the ages of 0-59
according to figures from the NHS, there have been 4,717 Covid-19 deaths of people aged between 0 and 59 in the UK up to 21 January. The figures are correct and cover the period from the start of the pandemic to 20 January, but it is wrong to say this data covers the whole of the UK. These statistics are for England only. They also only show the number of deaths in hospitals—meaning these numbers do not include people who died at home or in care homes or hospices.
There is currently no single, recent source that shows all UK Covid-19 deaths broken down by age. However, we know that in England and Wales alone over 7,000 people under 60 have died with Covid-19 mentioned on their death certificate since the start of the pandemic.
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In reply to Post #24
Only around 400 people under 60 with no pre existing medical conditions have died of covid since last march.
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In reply to Post #23
Last post - I’m 46 and I want my immune system to do its job.......the figures are correct and the people who have been dying are over 75 and make up the majority......
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In reply to Post #18
Your figures are incorrect though if you are saying that all of the 32 million vaccines have been given to the elderly and vulnerable. Vaccines have been given to health care workers teachers ect. I have had it I am 45 not at risk but my wife is and just because I have had it that does not mean I can't catch it still. The whole point of vacations is the more more people that have them the less chance you will catch something.
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Yes, 32 million people are now vaccinated. Out of that 32 million they made up 98% of fatality’s for one reason or another. Now there vaccinated surely we should have Covid deaths at around the same level or less as flu......
Based on the above we should not see a large wave of deaths anymore, unless of course you have refused the vaccine and are over 65yrs of age or have underlying medical conditions and then you really should have taken the vaccine!
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In reply to Post #20
This. You have the vaccine so someone else doesn't die.
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In reply to Post #18
The problem with deciding not to have a vaccine is that it is true you may have relatively mild symptoms should you contract the disease however the real issue is that you could well infect many other people, some of whom may get very serious symptons.
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In reply to Post #18
Correct
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In reply to Post #16
think those most likely to reject vaccines are strongly linked to the cult of brexit, which in all probability, means they're righties, not lefties.....
Or it could simply be the fact 32 million of the most vulnerable and susceptible to potentially dying have been vaccinated and depending on your age / health will simply get a cough, a bit of a headache so have no desire to have a vaccine and are neither left, right or influenced by brexit.......
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In reply to Post #15
That 60 thousand was over a two day period as there were no data collection or release the previous 24 hours due to technical issues.
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In reply to Post #12
Why did you bring politics into this, muppet? But seeing as you have, think those most likely to reject vaccines are strongly linked to the cult of brexit, which in all probability, means they're righties, not lefties.....
Reality check. Anyone will be fortunate to get a week in France before early autumn.
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60,922 cases reported today.....
I think it's reasonable to expect France to take months to get on top of this, I'd guess 3 months plus but we'll see.
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In reply to Post #13
France in lockdown AGAIN, 1 month AT LEAST...think we can all forget about French fishing for 2021...it aint gonna happen
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50,659 cases today in france...
I think from experience we can expect it to get worse before it gets better. This is terrible news....
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In reply to Post #7
Agree.
September and onwards is likely to be fine - assuming you have been vaccinated and are not a lefty that won't have it - then tough, UK pubs maybe, French lakes no. You decide.
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In reply to Post #10
Unless there is a third wave over here and we're back in lockdown
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In reply to Post #7
I think your September and October trips will be ok
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Was due out at J2 end of May, this was rescheduled twice from last year but have already asked the lake to reschedule to May 2022. Honestly dont think its worth planning anything for this year.
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I've managed to get one of my bookings moved to end of March 2022 and fingers crossed for Nov 2021 at Gigantica...
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Like I said in the other thread I have 3 trips booked this year
June
September
October
Now I believe the June trip is out of the question but still 90% confident the September and October trips will happen 👍🤞
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In reply to Post #5
There will be NO French fishing trips this year due to the incompetence of Mr Micron, the President.....as a lake owner I am sure that 2021 will be a complete write off
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In reply to Post #4
July and August
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In reply to Post #3
Yes but wait until August when the whole of France goes on holiday and Macron needs the tourist Euro.
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Breaking news - New France lockdown across the whole country for a month.
French President Emmanuel Macron is to expand a limited lockdown to cover the whole of mainland France and Corsica for four weeks, in a bid to stem a resurgence in Covid-19 infections.
He has been on prime-time TV to say the new measures will start on Saturday and last until 2 May.
The president has been trying to avoid a third major lockdown amid accusations he let the crisis get out of control while trying to give the economy a chance to recover.
France has seen daily new infections double from 20,000 in February to about 40,000 now, and hospitals in the capital Paris are overflowing.
On Tuesday health authorities reported the highest daily number of new intensive care cases since April, with 569 recorded. The country has suffered at least 95,500 deaths and reported more than 4.6 million cases since the pandemic began.
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In reply to Post #1
dont hold your breath, i cant see it happening
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I am wondering if we are going to get to France this year for fishing what with the third wave of Covid, quarantine requirements, health passports of some kind being rolled out by the EU, Slow EU vaccination rollout and our frosty relationship with the EU won't help either..
I have Gigantica booked and a fully paid up Vallee lake booking that was moved from last year....
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