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   Old Thread  #23 27 Feb 2021 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Really interested in all of this just not the political side and any information on signs etc I would really appreciate.
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   Old Thread  #22 24 Feb 2021 at 8.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The joys of an otter trapper for UKWOT and NE mate

I see alot more than i care to mention these days

the amount of otters within fence lines since we had the floods and cold weather is scary
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   Old Thread  #21 24 Feb 2021 at 8.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I will add that mink absolutely love mussels.

On my lake last year i had a mink, the piles of shells it left was incredible for one animal
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   Old Thread  #20 24 Feb 2021 at 8.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good stuff Frenzy, keep it coming, I often see and find things but wouldn't have a clue as to pointers etc.
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   Old Thread  #19 24 Feb 2021 at 8.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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if an otter bites, chews or marks the shell, you can tell by the gap they leave between the teeth marks mate

ive got some material on this, but im blowed if i can figure out how to post pictures on here or id show you
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   Old Thread  #18 24 Feb 2021 at 8.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What marks would they be?
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   Old Thread  #17 24 Feb 2021 at 8.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I always learnt one thing about otter predation,just because there was no visible carcasses, doesn't mean fish have not been taken..

Don't know if you have noticed Adam, but this winter the signs are absolutely everywhere you look, be it river or un-fenced still water, the signs are so blatantly obvious they can't be fobbed off with excuses/blaming something else.
This was last week on the Ribble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCOkuI0jXnA&t=77s



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   Old Thread  #16 24 Feb 2021 at 8.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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large mussel shells are one of the first things i look for when investigating otter issues.

YES lots of things eat them, but its the tell tail marks on the shell thats the give away as to if its otter/s
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   Old Thread  #15 24 Feb 2021 at 8.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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On some lakes I know that have had otters taking fish, a carcass might not stay on the bank for more than 24 hours. It will be scavenged. Foxes and badgers can move the whole corpse, crows and other corvids will peck clean.

In the 1980's there was a single pair of otters on the River Gipping near Great Blakenham. I was told on Barham A and B pit that the mussel shells on the bank were coots and mink, yet coming down and watching convinced me otherwise. It was otters.
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   Old Thread  #14 24 Feb 2021 at 2.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I have to say,after all the lakes I have fished,some sadly with a lot of rats,due to lots of anglers leaving bait and food left around,and ever present bird life,I have never seen either..eating a mussel..I'm not saying it doesn't happen though

However,I have fished,and seen lakes,with otter predation occurring outright under the owner ,bailiffs and anglers noses with them not even noticing and seeing the subtle and not so subtle signs of fish loss..

One of the reasons is blaming other things,or creatures,or lack of predation awareness,or even disbelief that this could happen even..

One lake I know,lost lots of fish,none found on the bank,but go on the island kill platform,dear in dear..it was bad..

See ,I hopefully the OP,is right lake breached ,otter seen,otter went,breach sealed up,so many variables..,you'll never know, maybe a few roach taken but for me ,myplace I found my losses in thirty secs of arriving,and the in and out points,still even tho the lake was solid with ice,except a two foot clear bit..

I always learnt one thing about otter predation,just because there was no visible carcasses, doesn't mean fish have not been taken..

Glad the fence has been repaired,a bit of peace if mind..
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   Old Thread  #13 23 Feb 2021 at 10.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's always been otter related on lakes I've fished.
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   Old Thread  #12 23 Feb 2021 at 4.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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no fish have been found that I'm aware of. There's a decent stock of carp, tench and bream so I think if it was an otter we'd know about it.
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   Old Thread  #11 23 Feb 2021 at 2.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its hardly rocket science is it 😂😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #10 23 Feb 2021 at 2.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1550660.stm
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   Old Thread  #9 23 Feb 2021 at 8.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think I would be asking myself Rats and Coots have always been present, why have I not been seeing Swan Mussels in every swim all the time?

I would be having members walking as many Dogs as possible inside the perimeter of the Fence to be on the safe side, also checking every marginal under growth meticulously preferably from a kayak/Boat looking from the water to the banks.

But if youre not finding fish carcases on a almost daily basis then Id suspect if one visited your site via entry through the broken fence, it most likely vacated the site via the same breach the same day.
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