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   Old Thread  #880 15 Jul 2021 at 1.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just for you as you seem to be having a hard time with grasping timelines and what was readily avilable around the turn of the 1900's.......
People these days look at you like a weirdo if you talk about the healing properties of plants or any other holistic practices. Much like anything else, there is a lot of politics and money behind our modern medical system.

It all starts with John D. Rockefeller (1839 – 1937) who was an oil magnate, a robber baron, America’s first billionaire, and a natural-born monopolist.

By the turn of the 20th century, he controlled 90% of all oil refineries in the U.S. through his oil company, Standard Oil, which was later on broken up to become Chevron, Exxon, Mobil etc.

Rockefeller Standard Oil
At the same time, around 1900, scientists discovered “petrochemicals” and the ability to create all kinds of chemicals from oil. For example, the first plastic — called Bakelite — was made from oil in 1907. Scientists were also discovering various vitamins and guessed that many pharmaceutical drugs could be made from oil.

This was a wonderful opportunity for Rockefeller who saw the ability to monopolize the oil, chemical and the medical industries at the same time!

The best thing about petrochemicals was that everything could be patented and sold for high profits.

But there was one problem with Rockefeller’s plan for the medical industry: natural/herbal medicines were very popular in America at that time. Almost half the doctors and medical colleges in the U.S. were practicing holistic medicine, using knowledge from Europe and Native Americans.

Rockefeller, the monopolist, had to figure out a way to get rid of his biggest competition. So he used the classic strategy of “problem-reaction-solution.” That is, create a problem and scare people, and then offer a (pre-planned) solution. (Similar to terrorism scare, followed by the “Patriot Act”).

He went to his buddy Andrew Carnegie – another plutocrat who made his money from monopolizing the steel industry – who devised a scheme. From the prestigious Carnegie Foundation, they sent a man named Abraham Flexner to travel around the country and report on the status of medical colleges and hospitals around the country.

This led to the Flexner Report, which gave birth to the modern medicine as we know it.

Needless to say, the report talked about the need for revamping and centralizing our medical institutions. Based on this report, more than half of all medical colleges were soon closed.

Homeopathy and natural medicines were mocked and demonized; and doctors were even jailed.

To help with the transition and to change the minds of other doctors and scientists, Rockefeller gave more than $100 million to colleges and hospitals, and founded a philanthropic front group called “General Education Board” (GEB). This is the classic carrot and stick approach.

In a very short time, medical colleges were all streamlined and homogenized. All the students were learning the same thing, and medicine was all about using patented drugs.

Scientists received huge grants to study how plants cured diseases, but their goal was to first identify which chemicals in the plant were effective, and then recreate a similar chemical –but not identical — in the lab that could be patented.

A pill for an ill became the mantra for modern medicine.

And you thought Koch brothers were evil?

So, now we are, 100 years later, churning out doctors who know nothing about the benefits of nutrition or herbs or any holistic practices. We have an entire society that is enslaved to corporations for its well-being.

America spends 15% of its GDP on healthcare, which should be really called “sick care.” It is focused not on cure, but only on symptoms, thus creating repeat customers. There is no cure for cancer, diabetes, autism, asthma, or even flu.

Why would there be real cures? This is a system founded by oligarchs and plutocrats, not by doctors. For there is no money in the cure of mans ills!

I will post you the events which lead to the Spanish Flu and you will see the connection Mr Tcarper

Here you go......a Little long but you will get all the details. Copy and paste this URL into your browser......
http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/11/spanish-flu-of-1918-was-really-a-bioterror-attack-on-humanity/
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   Old Thread  #879 15 Jul 2021 at 11.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Dean, everyone is scared. Some just deal with it in different ways. Please stop playing the victim here... When I made my first post on this thread you were calling everyone stupid sheep who have had the vaccines. No one is gaining anything at all by the world burning as it currently is. The vaccines are being given totally for free throughout the entire world. The scientists doing this work are real life heroes. As for gangs, I do not know one single person posting on this thread. Not one.

All previous pandemics mankind has suffered went exactly this way at their start. Spanish Flu was NOT injected into soldiers by the Rockerfella corporation as you so stupidly said last night.... Soldiers helped to spread the infection, first around Europe, then around the world, at a time when international travel for normal folk was incredibly rare/non existent. If you analyse that one statement you made regarding the Spanish Flu.... It really shows how bent out of shape the information is on all of these websites you look at. You are honestly asking us to believe that back in 1918, there was also a global conspiracy to wipe out large swathes of mankind? Do you even realise how crack pot that sounds, trying to equate your modern day conspiracy theories back to a time over 100 years ago?

Really think about it Dean... The telephone had not long been invented. Medical science was still backwards to say the least, penicillin was not discovered until 1928 and even that was by accident... But according to you they were inventing deadly viruses in a lab to wipe out mankind decades before that? Don't be so utterly stupid.

I don't even know where to start with Mother Teresa was a global pimp for nonces.

I have had my vaccines... Because I'm not scared of a jab in the arm... I am scared of losing my family and friends to a global pandemic though. Your statement regarding your family and the vaccines makes me very sad. We live in a free society, so you can choose not to have a vaccine. But your influence is risking their lives too. And you are happy to do that, on the say so of some crack pot websites, that have totally pickled your brain?

Dean, no one wants to kill you or your family. They are trying to save you.

I would love to know who you think stands to gain, if things went the wrong way, and mankind was wiped from this planet?
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   Old Thread  #878 15 Jul 2021 at 9.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #877 15 Jul 2021 at 8.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mr M00, sounds like you're signing off.

Thanks for the best wishes for the future, same to you.

If I ever find myself in a Soros labour camp, or stuck to the wall of a magnet factory because of my vaccine, I'll remember you and say 'Blimey, that bloke on Carpforum was RIGHT!'

In the meantime, I'll try to give up the adrenochrome if you promise to spend less time watching stuff online.

Cheers.
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   Old Thread  #876 15 Jul 2021 at 8.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What
I asked if you genuinely thought covid didn’t exist and is the flu. And how that could reflect on the source you are using as facts, while in disagreement with it.
Honestly I’m not in a forum gang lol, I mean actual people that I interact with and if one of us were to die as a result of having a vaccine or not we would look a **** had we spent the entire time preaching the opposite.
Leavers/remainders.. black/white.. vax/antivax
New label, same arguments and another 2 day doctorate on google
You already look a bit bonkers mate, don’t start bringing bloody god into it!!
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   Old Thread  #875 15 Jul 2021 at 8.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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so what you're saying is either there is none and it's an invention of some paranoid persons mind, or you know your source is rubbish and won't stand up to any scrutiny!?

Come on share something and we can sensible discuss it's merits...
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   Old Thread  #874 15 Jul 2021 at 8.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tom, you are talking utter tripe. Anything that i present to you, you will shrug off as either non credible or will try to rip it apart because your brain will not allow it to be true because of pride and the justification to yourself that you have made the correct decision to have taken their poison. Deep down you are just as scared as the rest of us because you have taken a massive gamble with your health. I understand that and can only hope and pray that everything I have said is wrong, because i would want nothing more than to be completely and utterly wrong about all of this.

I am not here to gloat, merely to open your eyes to the fact that we are being pushed into a way of life that we are never going to be able to change and once we accept these small drip fed changes, all of a sudden we are going to find ourselves in a real time Hunger games scenario.

Good luck with your health guys, I really do hope that you get through these human trials unscathed.

Have a healthy and happy life
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   Old Thread  #873 15 Jul 2021 at 8.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hold on Noj. So people can insult me and others down calling it nonsense and laughable, tin hat, conspiracy freak blah blah blah, yet because you kind of try and vindicate your own special and not so unique position of choosing not to vax just like millions of others, yet still want to remain in "THE GANG", you choose to have a pop at me, yet I am getting it from each and every one of you because you will not even contemplate the remotest possibility of a sinister agenda?

My lord, the hypocrisy smacks you straight in the face. Just listen to what you are saying. So for sitting on the fence that gives you the right to do as you please? How about you grow a back bone and admit that you are scared of what might happen with these jabs and you think they are dangerous instead of dancing around your friends agreeing yet deep down disagreeing and not having the minerals to come out with your true worries and concerns? You can run me down because your friends are too, but its OK because you have a common enemy it would seem?

Do me a favour, please, its OK not to want their poison, millions of us will not have it EVER. Because we are also frightened for the health and safety of our family members. We are Pro choice, not anti vaxxers, we have a god given right to choose what we put into our own bodies and god help those that try to force the issue because believe me when I say that if they want to stick a sharp instrument into me or mine against my will, then be prepared to get the same in return. This all ends when we stop letting Governments dictate how we live our lives without a democratic vote being put to us the people who they are supposed to represent.
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   Old Thread  #872 15 Jul 2021 at 8.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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and there you go proving my point, you dont understand, they haven't changed the number of cycles, most cases through the pandemic showed positive after about 20 ish.

now your evidence please....
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   Old Thread  #871 15 Jul 2021 at 7.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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MR moo, ive seen nothing to support that the cycles have changed, they have never been above 40 and the median is around 25 with most positives showing in the 20's..

So the very fact that they were at 40 and then dropped to mid 20s which is the information that you yourself have found via a quick google search, you now want me to provide you with exacting evidence? Yet you have already yourself explained and pointed that fact out?

So your now doubting your own findings?
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   Old Thread  #870 15 Jul 2021 at 7.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That *cough* news channel you posted discuss variants of covid and acknowledge the existence of it but play down severity.
So are you saying covid doesn’t exist and it’s actually flu? That this is a reliable source as far as anti vaccine propaganda goes, they’re just behind on the whole hayfever/flu thing?
I know people who think I’m a piece of **** for not having a vaccine and people who would never have it. All of us respect each other’s decisions though and don’t belittle one another. If it turns out one of us is wrong we won’t die alone or looking like a complete ****
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   Old Thread  #869 15 Jul 2021 at 0.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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and again il ask for evidence the number of cycles changed... I'll wait.

This is such laughable nonsense.
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   Old Thread  #868 14 Jul 2021 at 11.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oh Tom ffs mate.

Its Summer time, just like last year when the numbers dropped. Its seasonal just like the Flu because it is the Flu.

If you seriously believe that just because you have all had your CLOT SHOTS the mortalities have dropped then you sir need a check up from the neck up because cycles repeat such as seasonal Flu. The Clue is in the word seasonal. they turned down the amplification to show less positives because of the vax roll out to make it look like its working and when you consider that virtually all those getting tested are the vaxxed, by turning down the amps you are likely to get fewer positives. It's not rocket science is it Tom? Now they increase it again to con you into taking yet another shot for a new variant with hayfever symptoms. They don't even have to try very hard with you lot do they now? God help them all.

I will pray for you tonight. it would seem you need some help from a him up there!
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   Old Thread  #867 14 Jul 2021 at 11.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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no Mr moo, I don't think you understand how the cycles work from your comments.

and ultimately it's the metrics for measuring deaths, unless you think they have changed those? Either way there are less deaths now, and if they have reduced the cycles to capture less positives then actually that just proves the vaccines effectiveness
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   Old Thread  #866 14 Jul 2021 at 10.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So tell me this, how, by using amplification are more positive results found at mid 20s than when amplified higher at 40 cycles?

Do you actually realise what you have just said there. How is that even possible that when amplification has been increased you get less positives? Me thinks you may have made an incy wincy boo boo there Tom.
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