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   Old Thread  #1241 23 Jul 2021 at 12.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think these figures illustrate the vaccine effectiveness :

22/07/20 cases 519 deaths 78
22/07/21 cases 35348 deaths 58
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   Old Thread  #1240 23 Jul 2021 at 12.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Problem is Mark We dont know if this thing will change into more serious / infectious variants do we? The next variants could be weaker and less infectious or stop mutating all together?

It is physically impossible to pull off what you are implying on a world wide basis

Is that for MrMoo as im not implying anything.........

Miss truths and exaggeration are rife with Covid, I just dont like the push for children to be vaccinated when the last 18 months have shown they are not at risk.
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   Old Thread  #1239 23 Jul 2021 at 12.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not sure what you're implying Ken. Brave up, and just come out and say it mate.... Everyone else is
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   Old Thread  #1238 23 Jul 2021 at 12.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Something really needs to be done about all these lunatic websites spreading misinformation.

This is as good a place as any to start...
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   Old Thread  #1237 23 Jul 2021 at 12.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wayne... Mate... It's not about how sick people are getting right now. It's about this thing is changing, and it's about how sick we ALL could end up getting if we do not beat it.

It is physically impossible to pull off what you are implying on a world wide basis... So you think that all of the countries in the world have got together to bankrupt themselves and bring about armageddon?

Come on mate, really think about what that would take/involve.

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   Old Thread  #1236 23 Jul 2021 at 12.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think that will change VERY soon Jon. I think now everyone will end up being offered vaccines soon. The general consensus towards this seems to be changing worldwide.
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   Old Thread  #1235 23 Jul 2021 at 11.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
This is cut and pasted from the Centres for Disease Control website. It's some facts about the 1918 pandemic.

"The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918.

Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic."


Do a very small bit of research into the 1918 pandemic. Year 1, it turned up in the late winter... It only affected the old and the sick during the first wave. It disappeared in the first summer. When the second wave came, people were complacent because they did not think it would affect them. By the second summer, it started being transmitted during the heat, and started affecting younger adults and children.... Any of that sound familiar? That's where we are RIGHT NOW. Second summer, it's just started affecting younger adults and now children...

Now go back a paragraph and read the data of what happened next. "Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group"

This was after everybody had already convinced themselves that it only affected the old and vulnerable. Sound familiar? History is all we have to go on in this... History tells us what is coming next if we do not beat this soon.


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   Old Thread  #1234 23 Jul 2021 at 11.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mark, That data i mentioned is upto the 9th July this year mate so only 2 weeks out of date and the delta variant has been going for 6-7weeks that we are aware of yet its kicked off with children and young adults in these last 2 weeks........ .........That to me seems very strange!

The MSM reporting and other weird things is what makes me question some stuff. This variant now affecting younger people or under 21s is tying in perfectly with the vaccine drive for that age group, coincidence or slighty misleading reporting??. My daughters boyfriend had / has Covid after visiting Wembley for the euro final and was ill for 1 day with flu like symptoms and then went back to normal, Mal lying, dont think so but what defines "Really sick"......being at home with flu like symptons or being hospitalised on mechanical ventilators? It certainly isnt hospitalised, or wasnt up until 2 weeks ago......

I look forward to reviewing data in 2 weeks time that should be reporting upto TODAY........
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   Old Thread  #1233 23 Jul 2021 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why do you think the UK isn't offering vaccines to kids now? Is it a supply thing? Pfizer jabs available for the over 12s in several European countries now. And these countries aren't as severely affected by the variant that seems to be making kids ill in the UK.
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   Old Thread  #1232 23 Jul 2021 at 11.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"Now new variants could start to target this age group more but the delta variant is not that one currently."

Wayne, again you are quoting data going back to last year. The data and the deaths, are always long behind what is ACTUALLY happening RIGHT NOW mate. You know where you hear that we have the highest daily new case rate right now in the entire world? Just because your missus school has no cases, you feel sure enough to reassure everyone that children and young adults are not in the immediate past two weeks getting sick?

Jeez. My son covers the whole of Berkshire mate, not one school. Is Mal lying about the children at his school that have become really sick from Covid very recently? In a few weeks your data is going to show that the Delta variant IS affecting young adults and children now. But for now, you will just have to trust what my son is attending on a daily basis on the ground.

What happened last year and up to the 9th of July in the data, has NOTHING to do with what is happening right now this minute.

I feel like I've explained this so many times now, I explained it to BigClanger this morning. I am not surprised at all that no children have gone down with it at her school yet. That does not change the facts of what is happening RIGHT now mate. It starts with one or two, out of thousands. Then it becomes three or four. Then five or six.

I have some facts straight from my sons lips. Up until July 5th this year, he had not attended one child with serious symptoms of Covid during this whole pandemic. Not one. Since July 7th (just over two weeks ago)... He has attended a number that is now growing visibly alarmingly. (I cannot tell you the exact number or he could get into trouble). You will not see those figures on any data, because that data will not be available for over a month yet. As far as I know no children have died yet anywhere. But it has literally only just started affecting them and making them sick. Again, it's not about where this is right now. It's about where it can go. The numbers are still incredibly low compared to say Feb. But...The very fact that it is starting to affect young adults and children now, is incredibly worrying. What's the next mutation going to do? No one knows Wayne. The sooner EVERYBODY is vaccinated the better. It's our best chance of stoping this mutating into something that can beat the vaccines and wipe out large swathes of us.

Or we could just all put tin foil hats on and go and chant at the moon...
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   Old Thread  #1231 23 Jul 2021 at 11.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No one wants facts here. Kids are all noisy and ruin everything with their snotty noses and sticky fingers.

I agree with big clanger about locking up all the old and vunerable people so the rest of us can get on with life. So lets lock the kids up too. Theyre vuneravle im sure.

Oh let's lock up the ethnics too.
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   Old Thread  #1230 23 Jul 2021 at 10.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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my son has been attending mainly kids and young adults. Parents tend to panic and call an ambulance (as you would with what's going on) The newer mutation of the virus is definitely affecting young children far more seriously in the past few weeks. Lots of kids are getting starting to get ill now like at your school.

Mark, I dont disbelieve you or what your son is saying but the ONS is not showing "Young" children dying. Children maybe Feeling unwell but the age group thats dying is still the over 75s and that includes vaccinated over 75s. I think so many parents are so scared of covid we are seeing huge numbers of parents "Assuming" their child has covid, ringing for an ambulance and once at hospital its confirmed they have bad hay fever, common cold, croup etc etc.

My mrs is a teacher and has not had 1 child that has become seriously ill within her whole setting or Knows of any in the school (3 to 11yrs old) that have been seriously ill since March last year.

I read a government report last week that stated since this began last year and upto the 9th July this year approx 254 people under the age of 18 had died and 92% of them had underlying health conditions. That means 20 fit and healthy under 18s have died out of 5.5 million confirmed cases which is roughly 1 in 250,000. Keep on with those figures and if the whole country (75 million) became infected in 1 go you would expect to see 300 deaths for fit and healthy under 18s

Now new variants could start to target this age group more but the delta variant is not that one currently.

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   Old Thread  #1229 23 Jul 2021 at 10.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Isnít covid now something like the 26th biggest killer in the UK?.

The fcuking loonies really have taken over the asylum.

Boils the P155 what these Tory vvank3r5 are doing to folk and their businesses......

As for Hancock and Boris they should be in jail the incompetent murdering tvvats.

Iím off out and Iím not happy.
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   Old Thread  #1228 23 Jul 2021 at 10.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was on a two day refresher course for my SMSTS this week and apparently the HSE new directive coming is mental health, they push on with something or other every few years be it HAV or WAH they like to push the narrative on a particular health related injury or problem it's what there there for, I'am now booked up for a First aid course in mental health so I can do you a discounted consultancy Mr Moo when i'm all trained up after all a one day course makes me an expert in the field by all accounts.

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   Old Thread  #1227 23 Jul 2021 at 10.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Something really needs to be done about all these lunatic websites spreading misinformation... Fact checking is not enough.

The problem is that'd make them worse mate...... "it's censorship I tell thee"
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