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   Old Thread  #1801 1 Aug 2021 at 7.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yep. gladly. As I said earlier, thank goodness for modern medical science.
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   Old Thread  #1800 1 Aug 2021 at 6.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep.

If it's good for myself and for those around me on a daily basis then why not? I work in an environment where I could pass it on to hundreds of people so if I can reduce that risk then sign me up. As I say, why not?

Because some nutter on YouTube / carp forum says it's an evil plot and calls me mean names like a year 8 schoolgirl?

What will you do? Or are you waiting for some flat earther to tell you?

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   Old Thread  #1799 1 Aug 2021 at 6.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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let me ask you this, if the agenda was depopulation why would you need a 3rd dose, why not just make the first dose do the job? in fact why have over 20 different vaccines made by different companies? seems very uplanned no?

Also, no comment on piers Moo?
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   Old Thread  #1798 1 Aug 2021 at 5.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolutely ill be first in line again. Why wouldn't i?
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   Old Thread  #1797 1 Aug 2021 at 5.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Whats that cub scout moto?
" Be prepared".

So let me ask you a question if i may. When the next booster for a variant comes out, how many of you guys will be partaking? Confident of lining up for a third dose chaps?
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   Old Thread  #1796 1 Aug 2021 at 4.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not for some of you obviously... Telling the truth that is

The spread of disinformation will cost more lives than a jab or two.

Maybe I've stumbled across you and your madhead compatriots' secret scheme for mass extinction eh?
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   Old Thread  #1795 1 Aug 2021 at 4.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They always censor the truth Chairperson Mal.

They can't have someone telling the truth now can they?
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   Old Thread  #1794 1 Aug 2021 at 4.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very interesting that and makes a lot of sense
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   Old Thread  #1793 1 Aug 2021 at 2.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #1792 1 Aug 2021 at 2.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They looked like they were 18 years old giving a cash bribe. I imagine he will say he knew it was a fake.
oh no. He said he was naive. and this is the Scamdemic hero
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   Old Thread  #1791 1 Aug 2021 at 1.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Interesting medium length read for those that fancy it. A tweet from a guy I follow. Verified account.
ICU specialist and Lecturer.

Dr Greg Kelly


I think much of the incoherence & backflips in #COVID19 response, esp in rich countries, came about b/c ppl don't understand who ICU teams are & what they do

I'm an intensive care specialist who did an MBA to try & understand this better myself, here goes at an explanation: 🧵⬇️
Firstly, it's TOTALLY MEANINGLESS to talk about death or mortality rates in a pandemic without talking about ICU teams

If you are in a rich country with a functioning health system there is ALWAYS an ICU team standing between you & a potentially avoidable premature death


We're NOT used to thinking like this b/c epidemiologists & ID normally think either about outbreaks of deadly diseases in places w/out ICU teams Ebola in Africa) OR non deadly diseases in other places where ICU is irrelevant - gonorrhoea is embarrassing, not life threatening
The other outbreaks we've had in the era of modern ICU teams (SARS, MERS, etc) have severely strained local systems but not overwhelmed them - hence ICU capacity didn't become a major issue
ICU as a field was developed because of another pandemic of avoidable premature death: polio

Kids dying b/c they couldn't breathe, realisation that if we helped them breathe they wouldn't die

So ICU is inextricably linked to pandemics, we just forgot


The outbreak that invented intensive care
A heroic community effort at a daring hospital saved lives, led to today’s ventilators and revolutionized medicine — it holds lessons for our times.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01019-y
As well as never thinking about how pandemics meet ICU capacity in the modern era few people understand what ICU teams actually does in a modern system

ICU is the CENTRE OF GRAVITY of high intensity, hospital health care

Primary care other centre of gravity, of community care
ICU is not one thing - like cancer care, or heart surgery, transplant, etc

Rather, ICU teams look after the sickest patients at their most vulnerable time FROM EVERY OTHER AREA

ALL high intensity health care DEPENDS ON ICU TO FUNCTION
B/c workload of ICU teams drawn from diverse areas the patients average out & DEMAND IS RELATIVELY STABLE

Liver transplant work is up, neurointerventional slightly down - etc

Capacity so finely tuned that ONE PATIENT can strain system
Which patients strain system? Those that stay long time. Big majority ICU patients come in & get better quickly.

E.g. 85% of our pts are in & out < 3 days. Remaining 15% take weeks or even months

Those 15% of our 'long stay' patients = 2/3 of our bed capacity


Why is this so relevant for #COVID19? If you make it to ICU with COVID, esp. if you end up on a ventilator YOU STAY A VERY LONG TIME

Melbourne data last year - median ICU LOS 16 days. UK data avg 30 days

So just 1 severe COVID pt = estimated 20 heart or major cancer surgeries
So those 50+ patients we have in NSW, many on ventilators, represent far more workload than an average 50 ICU patients. It's not just that it's 6% of our 875 beds, it represents FAR MORE OF OUR BED DAYS
Remember the finely tuned capacity? Yep, well those 50 don't come with reduction in anything else

The pandemic patients are always 'on top' of everything else. In fact, this year, it's on top of worse seasons of seasonal viruses, plus all the elective work we are catching up on
Can we just expand the ICU teams? My mate has a 3D printer & said he can make a ventilator

It took me 15 years to train & I can't really work any harder so that's not easy thing to do. ALL OF OUR STAFF are specialists - nurses, physios, pharmacists, social work, child life, etc
Sure we can surge ICU team capacity temporarily but it is NOT SUSTAINABLE

UK NHS already seeing effect with staff leaving rather than face another surge. Costs of sick leave, mental health, lack of training, no time to build systems. Robbing Peter to pay Paul
This is why western countries, despite repeated flirtations with #LiveWithCovid repeatedly find they can't

Because you can't die prematurely in rich country w/out meeting ICU team

& if ICU overwhelmed w #COVID19 (remember happens v easily) then we CAN'T DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF
This means we need #COVIDZero to AVOID THE ROLLERCOASTER that almost every country's graphs have

Then, in order to open safely need:
1. High vax rate (probably including kids once safe & approved vax available)
2. #COVIDisAirborne recognition & mitigation
3. Test Trace Isolate


Truth of this is demonstrated by the few countries w advanced health systems that had national experience w deadly epidemics in modern era (e.g Taiwan, Singapore w SARS)

They have NOT F#*CKED AROUND a la "live with covid"

Understand that #COVIDzero is the only coherent response
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   Old Thread  #1790 1 Aug 2021 at 1.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58045787

Going to have to find a new source moo?
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   Old Thread  #1789 1 Aug 2021 at 11.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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In the same way that not everyone that has had the vaccine is a 'sheeple'. However with social media giving everyone a platform discourse has become influenced by the margins.

It's even seeped into Politics.
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   Old Thread  #1788 1 Aug 2021 at 11.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I suppose you could argue that there has been quite a lot of discrimination against smokers in the interest of protecting others.
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   Old Thread  #1787 1 Aug 2021 at 11.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I cant see anything other than one pub somehwere that wont let unvaxed people in?
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