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In reply to Post #47
I also enjoy it, and think they are a good idea to get to meet the other members and have a laugh, get to know the owner too. I cant always make it but ive enjoyed every one ive been on, owner buys lunch bit of chit chat . Mind you i can remember grumbling about cheap labour in the past but looking at it now i think work parties are okay and ive never felt forced to go yet.
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Syndicates can be good if the numbers are relatively low and toxic members/bailiffs are quickly removed.
Unfortunately Carp fishing seems to breed toxic individuals at an alarming rate but then again this may be just a reflection of an increasingly DGAF selfish society.
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In reply to Post #47
Yes, been on club committees etc just to have some control, put something back,
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In reply to Post #47
One of my club lakes has a incentive to carry out work parties, £10 voucher towards next season membership for every party you attend.
I personally enjoy the work parties
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In reply to Post #47
IMO doing work parties is part and parcel of being in a syndicate. The one I am on now doesn't seem to have them but plenty of work has gone on down there.
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In reply to Post #46
Personally I Like doing work parties.
Many hands, make light work, friendships, and satisfaction with improving the venue.. 
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My memory is not that good but didn't we have work parties back in the rmc/cemex days? Remember I was on another cemex ticket when the big sell happened and roach was on my radar. Again if memory serves he paid £300,000 for it but that was still big money back then and volunteers may have helped fence it but doubt they paid for the materials, believe he also added stock and a future stocking plan. Personal opinions may differ but would I still like to fish there, yes, would I do work parties, yes, as said it gets members together that may otherwise not meet.
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In reply to Post #44
I don’t get any of these syndicate jokes, and I don’t think I will ever understand that.
This whole thing looks like a great scam intended for people who want to get passive income without doing anything. This is not really what you can do in our capitalist society unless you really have a lot of brains and some knowledge.
I just hope that I will be able to save enough money for my retirement with goodlifehomeloans.com unless I am completely tired of working and wasting my precious time doing things that I don’t like at all.
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In reply to Post #43
Not everyone is and the owner has to make a living, the jump in price is high though, not the overall price.
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In reply to Post #6
people are out of work
no income due to Covid ? or are you not on Planet Earth?
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In reply to Post #3
My Membership will not be missed as someone else will take my place
i just dont know of any other business that can get away with a 25% uplift in price
just like that
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In reply to Post #40
The first to moan, and the ones that always moan.....exactly the same with local clubs, when the members help is truly needed, they are.....invisible
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I'm still waiting for the punchline of this syndicate joke. 
Although we have gone off tangent a bit; my point of view is work parties are part and parcel of joining a syndicate. I just like to put something back in and hope it pays me back...it's still owes me bigtime !! lol
Some only have one a year. The syndicate I'm on, and bailiff will have one each month. We have plenty of work to do on there.
Ticket is beginning of May to end of March. If you do 3 work parties during that time you are allowed to fish April.
No one is forced to come but you can guarantee that the work parties in Jan-March we will have 10+ members. 
One thing for sure though is the first to moan about something will be the last to turn up to a work party. (edit) that is in general not just my syndicate
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In reply to Post #38
Work parties could also be thought of as a way to help keep the ticket price realistic and inclusive, plus still have the ability to spend on things like stock fish, materials, barley straw, lime etc...
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In reply to Post #37
Totally agree with this, never thought of a work party as free labour. More of a get together with everyone, you usually get fed and then you fish the night. What’s the problem?
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Also I have found work parties help introduce members to each other and create a friendlier set of members which benefits the syndicate.
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In reply to Post #28
You could also argue that by having work parties he's able to keep the membership fee a bit lower?
No one is forced to join a water that insists on members attending work parties, so I really can't see what your problem with the system is?
When someone buys a lake they are entitled to put in place whatever rules, terms of membership and fee they wish, it's then up to people to weigh up if they wish to join. Simples.
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In reply to Post #34
Yes, not cheap yours! Friend of mine joined a while back. Some lovely fish in there, though he said it is the easiest water he's ever fished!
As an aside ref Roach. Ringwood were very interested but only had the funds for one, and after getting info on the stock and history, opted for Rockford instead. Christchurch were virtually bust at the time after ploughing all of their cash into Hucklesbrook.
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In reply to Post #33
A combination of invite only and a high price keeps the dickheads off the water I'm on. (and a bloody good owner)
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In reply to Post #32
It was bought with passion Does it make money? Yes 'im sure it does,.
Unfortunatly not many can afford to buy lakes to run as syndicates nowadays as you well know. Most wouldnt want to run mine as its too difficult dealing with the owner. On top of that trying to find sensible members to join said syndicates nowadays! not easy,Although i am lucky as i dont allow dickheads on my water.
Clown! Laughable! i must have a hidden talent.
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In reply to Post #31
I ran a syndicate late 80's early 90's, a proper one where everyone was equal and everyone pitched in.
Your last paragraph is laughable and ill informed , "alan invested heavily financially so that others can enjoy the fishing there" funniest thing ive read in a while.
It was bought to make money Christchurch AC or Ringwood AC on the other hand would of bought it so it was enjoyed by all, not that there's anything wrong with anyone buying a lake etc.
As for reasonable charge , a grand seems fair if its got a good standard of fish, safe secure surrounding's and decent members.
I only used Roach as an example by the way or should we call it CWA Fisheries LTD.
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In reply to Post #28
Clown !
As im sure you are aware, There are people who don't give a **** about the lake,It's stock or members ,they are only interested in catching the biggest in the lake and then pissing off to the next one to do the same.
These people are happy to sit in swims built and maintained by the other members though.
I run a syndicate{Exclusive membership} for which i pay a rent, I could charge more and then pay people to do the work but i prefer to have members that care, that's why you do the work parties or you dont get a ticket. Frimley is a business due to the sheer numbers of members on there ,I don't think alan has that many on roach! unless he has changed it.
The point i was trying to make is alan invested heavily financally so that others can enjoy the fishing there,I assume he charges a reasonable membership fee and not something stupid like a £1000 pa.Most people have no idea how much work goes into running a :glorified : syndicate.
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In reply to Post #28
Agree entirely, if its a business, the owners income, and your fees reflect this, then no way should you be expected to labour at work party's. Offering assistance is totally different, but making it a condition of membership no thanks.
Your local club totally different.
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In reply to Post #28
I agree if I’m paying top dollar for a syndicate ( Sorry I mean glorified exclusive club ticket) and it’s someone business then why would I be doing work parties? Now if it’s a proper syndicate or a club that’s a different matter.
Carp fishing is big business and if you want to make money then surely keeping the lake in good condition is down to the owner.
Anyway I’m off to trim the greens at my local golf club.
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In reply to Post #27
What's having to buy it got to do with it you clown? It was bought to be run as a profitable business as was his lake in Reading neither are a charity and he charges accordingly, it isn't a syndicate.
If anyone wants to fish these sorts of waters then they shouldn't be expected to provide free labor whilst the owner is making a living from the venues, fair enough if you want to volunteer.
For the record I'm on a water with a head of fish to die for which i care passionately about, the owner runs it in the same way Roach and others are run AS A BUSINESS, in 12 years he's never had a work party despite being asked by the members, all operating costs come from the members fee's any work that needs doing comes from the fees/THE BUSINESS, it's his livelihood.
£300k is sod all too.
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In reply to Post #22
Remind me never to let you on my syndicate!
You do realise that he had to buy roach pit don't you? It was'nt given to him, Nearly 300k i think.
Some people care about the waters they fish and some don't. You clearly dont.
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In reply to Post #25
There are more mystery’s in said lakes finances than a Scooby Doo cartoon.......
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In reply to Post #17
Tim was paying most of the cost of the fence and in Kicksys words "the syndicate is awash with money".
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In reply to Post #23
Difference is you can chose your members ! Perhaps you are spoilt . Go fish a day ticket lake for a day and you may want a syndicate of one.
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In reply to Post #16
My wife has said on several occasions that she can't understand why I have members lol.
A syndicate of one sounds very sad to me. Maybe that'll change one day?
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In reply to Post #21
What always cracks me up is the ****ing idiots that join work parties etc on these waters that call themselves syndicates when in fact they are business's , Roach Pit being a good example.
Bloke buy's lake charges you a fortune for fishing it then expects your free help to fence it and it's upkeep when at any time you could be turfed off. All this time he's making a nice living off your free labor you mug's.
I'm a member of an expensive golf club, members club, I've never been asked to mow the greens.
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In reply to Post #20
Syndicate - "a group of people or companies who join together in order to share the cost of a particular business operation for which a large amount of money is needed"
For example, paying for the land that YOU own and the fish that YOU own, not lease off a nameless land owner, via a "syndicate owner" you have never met.
The above sounds a lot different to the below...
Club - "an association dedicated to a particular interest or activity."
Association - "a group of people organised for a joint purpose"
Society - "an organization or club formed for a particular purpose or activity."
Pretty much the same thing.... you pay your subs, get your newsletter and your shiney gate key, and you benefit from what the club lease off a land owner. You don't own anything that club has, you are merely leasing it.
I used to belong to a "200 member syndicate". I didn't know anyone. I knew the name of the owner but didn't know the man. Didn't have a say on what he stocked, what maintenance was conducted, or how my membership was spent. All I know is, the money was being spent on other "syndicates" the bloke owned. I was a customer, not a syndicate member.
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In reply to Post #19
Exactly exclusive members clubs !! Not syndicates
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In reply to Post #1
I don't know why that term boils my piss, but it does.
If you have absolutely no say in the running, maintenance and stocking policy of your water, you a merely a name on a spreadsheet. I can only think of only one, maybe two true syndicates near me. Both of which depends on who you're employed by and how many shares you want to buy. Once all the shares are gone, tough luck. Better hope that fella dies or he needs to sell his shares to pay for his divorce 
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In reply to Post #15
I think most Essex members clubs are like that from my experience. Disappointing really but greed and money ruin most things.
One day I’ll be able to buy my own lake and have a syndicate of one...! Lol
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In reply to Post #12
If you're talking about where I think you are we suggested similar years ago and it was done. Less members, more money. Following year, same higher price but more members taken on without a word to the renewing members.
That said you probably wouldn't have gotten your ticket if he hadn't done that to us.
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One of the last syndicates I had a ticket for, had 50 members, but....2 rotas of 25, one week on, one off, and a draw for swims on Friday.
Worked really well, always swims free.
Don't hear of many now that use this system.
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If it was a well run lake with courteous respectful members and a reasonable number of members I would happily pay £850. I used to tell a previous syndicate I fished to double the price and halve the members and I would have paid it as would many others. 50 members is not a syndicate it’s a money making venture for someone somewhere. There is nothing wrong with that as you know what you are joining.
Unfortunately lakes in Essex are generally rammed and still expensive. Which is why I am happy to drive a couple of hours and fish in relative solitude. Not interested in fishing for big fish or lots of them. I go fishing for peace and quiet and to be at one with nature nowadays. Just as well as I don’t catch a lot......
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In reply to Post #10
Same as couldn’t get on lots of times so let it go .
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In reply to Post #9
my syndicate lake has been rammed, on 3 occasions I turned up and the lake was sooooo rammed there was no spaces in the car park and i had to return home. At £550 per year to only fish a few times due to it being too busy is a joke especially as the cost is going up another 100 this year. No thanks, I'll give it a miss.
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In reply to Post #1
Lt's face it - Syndicates in the truest sense are pretty rare these days, Most 'syndicates' are really members only waters.
I think there are too many factors to be able to say if that price increase is reasonable or not. Size of water, number of members, stock, decent members, nice surroundings, well maintained etc etc.
I'd be happy to pay £800 for a decent water with few members, and nice surroundings, but less happy to pay it for a lesser quality water with **** members.
what I do know is running lakes costs a lot of money, and is rarely profitable. As long as I enjoyed fishing the place,If the owner has increased the subs but is looking to reinvest in the lake with either stock, or maintenance I wouldn't have an issue.
If he's increased the subs, has too many members, and is not reinvesting in the lake then its a different story.
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In reply to Post #7
That's old skool, we've moved on to 'lovely times' now.
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In reply to Post #6
Is it true you have to say happy days when you catch a fish in Essex?
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In reply to Post #1
What's this climate got to do with it?
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In reply to Post #1
So its not actually a syndicate then?
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In reply to Post #1
If you didn't have any say in the price rise/stocking policy didn't you know you were joining a commercial venture and not a syndicate? If you did that's life and there's plenty of that type of water around mate.
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In reply to Post #1
Without know the facts as you haven't said........
but 20+ fish cost money, so the increase may on the face of it cover that?
I doubt your 'membership' will be missed if I'm honest if that's your attitude!
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In reply to Post #1
Whoever runs it must believe that enough people will still think that it's value for money and be able to fill the syndicate.
What did you want the two deceased fourties replaced with?
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my syndicate in Essex , has put the 7 day ticket up from £650 to £800 this year
what a joke in this climate
I wont be re-joining 2 of the 40+ carp died last year and been replaced with 20+ carp
anyone else experienced this?
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