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   Old Thread  #71 17 Jan 2021 at 2.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for the feedback
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   Old Thread  #70 17 Jan 2021 at 2.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It produced a number of fish, but could be a pain to set up each cast. I say a pain, it was the time to do new PVA ties each cast and if I miscast, probably about the same as a bag or stringer to be honest.

I did have 4 fish on a winter day while my mate had nothing, but equally that could be I got the spot right.

The big bind was I went back to running leads and couldn't see how to come up with a similar tangle free system.

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   Old Thread  #69 16 Jan 2021 at 6.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Did you have any joy with it Nick as I never got round to it in earnest?
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   Old Thread  #68 14 Jan 2021 at 9.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I played around with using Breakaway Impact Shields to keep the rig streamlined for distance casting. The beads fixed in place up the line with PVA and hooklink held down onto the Impact Shield with PVA with PVA for casting.
I did try using Impact Leads with the wires taken off.
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   Old Thread  #67 13 Jan 2021 at 9.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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to be honest mate I was being tongue in cheek



but... If I'm fishing two carp rods, 9 times out of 10, one of them will be fishing near margins and will very often be the more productive...
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   Old Thread  #66 13 Jan 2021 at 9.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally agree. One of my other waters is very up close and personal. Donít think there is a chuck further than 45 yards.
This other water in question the fish hold up at at set distances. If you can get there, itís very rare to see a blank off the two pegs in my OP. Yes you can catch at times off other pegs at this time of year but you are up against it though and have to expect to blank at least 7 times out of Every 10.
Just want to maximise my chances by been able to get there if you can get on said pegs.
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   Old Thread  #65 13 Jan 2021 at 8.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Another Frank tip. One problem if fishing over silt is it enters the water so cleanly it plugs a long way in. Stops the lead tumbling in the air.
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   Old Thread  #64 13 Jan 2021 at 8.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Will have to think about that.
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   Old Thread  #63 13 Jan 2021 at 8.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
you're all missing the point here

the further you cast, the further you've got to wind in if you catch. waste of time and energy.

and...

you're letting the damn fish win - if you put your bait closer to you then they'll have to come and get it won't they? stop pandering to them with their 'oh I'm a carp and i'm only going to eat stuff that's 180 yards from the pegs' attitude. bloody entitled guppies! lazy too.

sod 'em

cast out 10 yards and they can bloody come and get it. and you'll save money on all that spod crap too as you can just chuck it out by hand.




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   Old Thread  #62 13 Jan 2021 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And superglue dart flights onto the end of the tubing!
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   Old Thread  #61 13 Jan 2021 at 7.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Problem with using PVA tapeis that it doesn't allow the bait to move away from the leader and lead. The gemini Arc leads are perfect. Very similar to the Frank Warwick idea with sea leads. Do search for Gemini Tackle and bobs your uncle. Or on offer at the Tackle Box.
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   Old Thread  #60 13 Jan 2021 at 6.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Currently using Heli set up to try and increase distance. Not thought about PVA taping the hook link to the pin down leader.
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   Old Thread  #59 13 Jan 2021 at 5.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Should of stated 50lb Arma Kord braided shock leader.
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   Old Thread  #58 13 Jan 2021 at 5.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can remember using 8lb line for carp fishing back in the 1990's. I can't remember many break-offs either
Same as, never had much of a problem over bars either with the trailing line. I wouldn't hesitate to go down to .28 or 8lb with a decent leader.
Haven't seen much mention about rigs possibly being the issue either. Using helicopters I used to tie the hooklink to the leader or tubing with pva so everything was streamlined, even used to tie stringers on in the same way at times.
There was a article by Frank Warwick iirc back in the day using sea fishing bait brake off shields for ultra long distance...I know that's not the topic but like Tesco say, every little helps
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   Old Thread  #57 13 Jan 2021 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not sure when you say '50lb leader' if you mean a braid one or not but I have found with a mono mainline that single change alone makes a massive difference, as there being no stretch the rod compresses far easier
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   Old Thread  #56 13 Jan 2021 at 11.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If abrasion is a big issue you should either be using a leader anyway or sacrificing distance for safety (by using heavier BS mainline).

A good compromise is a braided leader (for abrasion and to absorb shock on the cast) and a decent distance mainline
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   Old Thread  #55 13 Jan 2021 at 8.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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*see final sentence of post #50
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   Old Thread  #54 13 Jan 2021 at 8.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can remember using 8lb line for carp fishing back in the 1990's. I can't remember many break-offs either, except when using a helicopter running on the leader until we discovered Cox and Rawle beads.

I was hitting over 120metres with 2.25lb rods, Amnesia Shockleader, Shimano 4000 Baitrunner reels and 2.5oz leads.
I now cast the same distance with 15lb straight through, although lead size has increased a bit!

I agree your point about higher breaking strain lines and people fishing where they shouldn't.

I have seen people fishing in areas, casting right into holes in weed beds or right into snags where the fish is going to be damaged, injured, simply by playing it around there on heavy tackle.

For long distance fishing now, as long as the water is weed and snag free, I would be looking at going to 0.30/0.32mm mainline (10/12lb), with either a Grey Greased Weasel 40lb or 30lb Black Amnesia leader on the 3lb rod with 3.25 or 3.5oz leads. I know 3.25 is not a usual lead size, but 1/4-1/2over test curve is often the best casting weight for a rod.

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   Old Thread  #53 12 Jan 2021 at 11.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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One word...
Abrassion
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   Old Thread  #52 12 Jan 2021 at 10.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thereís people catching 150lb+ tarpon on 12lb tippet and a rod of about 1.5lb
No chance of breaking well tied (labelled as) 10lb mono with a carp rod unless casting distance or directly pulling/walking backwards with no bend in the blank
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   Old Thread  #51 12 Jan 2021 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think the average size of fish has increased and test curve of rod. I used to fish 6lb line as a kid with a 1.75tc rod, fish over 20lb rarely lost any, but I was only fishing 30yrds lol
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   Old Thread  #50 12 Jan 2021 at 7.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Funny thing was we didnít lose that many when we used 6/8/10lb line years ago, even on weedy/lakes with lots of bars.

I use 17lb line, but I think using higher BS lines makes people think itís ok to fish areaís they shouldnít really be fishing......
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   Old Thread  #49 12 Jan 2021 at 7.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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12ft aviator spod rod arrived today.. just buttering the mrs up to allow me a set of 12ft 3.5tc aviators, I'll sell my fox rods i promise
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   Old Thread  #48 12 Jan 2021 at 7.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I couldn't imagine using a carp line of less than 0.35. Level line casting for me or braid if its allowed. No point casting to the horizon only to lose the fish trailing 100 yards of line if you catch.
For this reason I don't use zigs, cant stand them..
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   Old Thread  #47 11 Jan 2021 at 1.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fox Exocet in 13lb with a braided leader changed my distance fishing. Well worth a go before changing rods/ booking lessons etc
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   Old Thread  #46 11 Jan 2021 at 1.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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0.26 10lb line mate using a 45lb briaded leader , 145 yards will be a breeze but on the right rods , budget wise get some Fox X3 13ft 3.5lbtc or the Shimano TX2 13fters, you will easily hit distance.
As a recommendation , try the King Carp carp line off Amazon , very smooth and a proper distance line, plus cheap, by way, i use 4.25oz zip leads.
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   Old Thread  #45 10 Jan 2021 at 10.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Few guys I remember from my 80's beach fishing and tournaments, Paul Kerry and Pete thain, in the 90's I lived in Ireland for five years and fished with a couple of local guys and we never talked casting until we went to inch strand bass fishing. As the tide ebbed the fish moved further out and one of these guys started casting further every cast so I tried to match him when the other guy said you won't keep up with him but it turned out he was the Irish distance casting champion but I had never come across him before and he had never mentioned it himself, his name Andrew Gormley.
Sad day when blackbeard died, he was always very helpful with advice on anything sea fishing.
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   Old Thread  #44 10 Jan 2021 at 9.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I met Phil Hyde (RIP) a couple of times - probably why Iím a fan of OTG! Especially after I knackered my right shoulder surfing.
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   Old Thread  #43 10 Jan 2021 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He used to post on here occasionally and helped me with advice many years ago when I used to beach fish a lot of comps and went to a few casting tournaments.
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   Old Thread  #42 10 Jan 2021 at 9.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
You are looking for 15 yds. Some simple little edges that might get you there. Kryston Greased Lightning line lubricant, Gemini A. R. C. leads that allow you to clip down your hook link and bait to reduce drag. You will have to fish a helicopter to use these. (they do work reliably). Get your line on the spool with a forward taper. (you will find a Terry Edmunds video explaining this). Sorry can't do links. Keep using your braid shockleader but use the lightest mainline you can.you are probably doing a lot of this but these will add a few yards if you are not. Good luck.
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   Old Thread  #41 10 Jan 2021 at 9.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How would I know if I am compressing the blank fully?

I would say you get a feel for it and know thereís not much more left
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   Old Thread  #40 10 Jan 2021 at 9.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you can, off the ground methods are an easy way to get a rod to compress. Remember to look up at 45 deg, rather than the spot youíre aiming for.

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   Old Thread  #39 10 Jan 2021 at 9.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Defo go for a lesson if you can, something which I'm going to do again soonish.

Try this - it's in one of Terry's vids -- think it's down to the pain he's been getting in his neck - instead of that usual stance like leaning back on one leg and stepping forwards, try putting one leg forward, lean back on the back foot and take a large step past the foot that was forward. I find it works better for me as everything is centred, plus I was casting further today doing things that way, much prefer it.

>>Terry's alternate casting style<<


When you compress the rod properly, it sort of locks up so-to-speak, when you don't compress it, it feels sort of fluffy - it's like The Force..."feel The Force Luke"

Look up at 45 degrees, pull the butt section into yourself as fast as you possibly can whilst releasing at 45 degrees (something I have trouble with).


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   Old Thread  #38 10 Jan 2021 at 8.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Started off with 3oz leads managing 125 yards. 3.5oz with the distances stated. Tried 4oz but was not hitting the Clip has hard as with the 3s.
Using 10lb ESP synchro with 50lb shock leader.
How would I know if I am compressing the blank fully?
All this distance casting is new to me. I have tried replicating Terry style from his videos etc. Hard to see if I am getting something wrong in my technique.
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   Old Thread  #37 10 Jan 2021 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not used those rods but I would say your not far off the limit with that set up?

Out of interest, what size lead are you using, and are you compressing the blank to the max?

Reel line diameter is the only next real option for me other than getting some 3 1/2 test

I suppose the question to ask is, do you feel you are getting the most out of the blank and on the verge of blowing it up or do you feel there is a little more left in it?

I was once fishing one water and they are out in the middle in the day, used to have a Spod rod with a 50lb leader fastened to two foot of lead core tied to 20lb whiplash, 4oz lead, could get some real distance, once the leader had gone it felt like you had cracked off lol. The whiplash is kind of semi sinking though thatís why I gave up with it, just emphasise the distance you can get with the right line diameter
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   Old Thread  #36 10 Jan 2021 at 8.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Kryston merlin braid perhaps.
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Got eclipse in my head for some reason but my sportex rods then were far more powerful than the 2.25tc they were claimed to be.
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   Old Thread  #34 10 Jan 2021 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair play dude, that's some massive range with that line 👍

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   Old Thread  #33 10 Jan 2021 at 7.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Deffo big game - we were using ss3000ís by then, the abrasion resistance was better. Probably because it was thicker, so underrated breaking strain.

Iíd upgraded from Tricast ER8-15ís to AKNís - cant remember what a lot of the other lads were using as Iíve got Merlin* stuck in my head for some reason, but Gibbinson, Hutchy and Leslies Maylin rods were also about.

*Itís the rods that Geoff Bowers took down to College, Ken will probably know!
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Do you remember what Hutchie's Horizon was Goose? For the life of me I can't remember.
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   Old Thread  #31 10 Jan 2021 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You sure it wasn't Pro Gold? Big Game has to be one of the worse lines to cast with, practically like barbed wire, was a nightmare in 15lb on my 55's.
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Bruce Ashby was building 13ft 3.5tc rods back in the 90s and so were others, also some rod tc's were very inaccurate then just like line breaking strains.
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Nah, the lake I was fishing back then was full of weed and bars and the club put a minimum dia rule in - equated to 12lb Big Game iirc. Could use leaders tho.

It was the lake Oz Holness mentioned a few times in his book - it did prepare you for fishing at range!
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Its always going to mate. Bigger diameter makes such a difference.

I've just got in from casting on the field all day. The best I could do with a side wind, 15lb mainline/shock leader/rig was 151.8yds measured with a surveyors wheel. At a pure guess, adding the bow in the line even after tightening down, I'd say I'd have wrapped that up at just over 40+ wraps if i were fishing. Wraps are so deceptive.

Much like the O.P, there's a spot on the place I'm on that I'm targeting that's at 175yds. Very frustrating coming up short. Blew my spod up on the other rod that I was trying out to see if I could reach the range I'm after 🤬
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One of my waters have brought in a 0.4mm min line restriction. Iíve been shocked at how much that alone has knocked off of my cast. Iím not a massive caster but I reckon itís taking 20 yards off my distance compared to when I was using 10 or 12lb with a leader.
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With the rods back then, what, like 6lb maybe 8lb line?
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Probably daiwa AKNís. People forget that we were fishing at 150+ in the 90ís, when a 3lb tc rod was viewed as a sea rod! Albeit with thinner line and leaders.....
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   Old Thread  #24 10 Jan 2021 at 10.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi, just seen your reply. That kind of distance can be achieved with 2.75 rods.
What make are they and how far can you cast with them compared to Terry.
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Cheers guys. My mate and I will be booking a lesson once these restrictions start to ease.
If needed I will then upgrade the rods, most likely looking at some Shimanoís as mentioned.
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True I didn't really think to much in to my reply I c it all the time lads thrashing the water to fish at such distance when there ain't no need just pushing the fish further and further out
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Use an ďoff the groundĒ method - will probably add yards as well
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Before buying anything else Iíd be booking a day with Terry Edmonds.

100% agree I have some 2.75 rods that Terry said will do 200 and he casually cast a 184 with a 60mph crosswind
a casting lesson may easily save you buying another set of rods

and re 13ft rods some people will find it very difficult to fully compress them and so not achieve any better distance
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   Old Thread  #19 9 Jan 2021 at 11.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If distance is what your looking for and not to break the bank look at the tx2 range, good rods for the money and some of the higher end tc really can Chuck a lead. I sold mine a couple years ago to a upgrade but I would happily use them again. A friend has the tx2 intensity rods they are great at distance casting
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   Old Thread  #18 9 Jan 2021 at 10.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah this. Before buying anything else Iíd be booking a day with Terry Edmonds.
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   Old Thread  #17 9 Jan 2021 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If their winter holding area is on a feature., at 140+ yards, thats where you need to be. Fishing a margin, to be different, isn't likely to work imo.
Summer, maybe different.
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   Old Thread  #16 9 Jan 2021 at 9.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The 13ft TX rods will probably only feel 6Ē longer than most 12í rods because the reel fitting is 6Ē further up the blank, which helps you compress the rod.
The casting length of my TX9 is exactly the same as my 12í6Ē FS HiS for this very reason

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   Old Thread  #15 9 Jan 2021 at 9.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like last post either get the shimano rods that nt break the bank or bait the margin or closer in the fish will find the bait just coz every one else casting to the horizon don't mean u have to do something different it works
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   Old Thread  #14 9 Jan 2021 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The only difference with 13ft rods is when you're in a tight swim, it really can get on your tits with your tip nearer trees and what-not. If your swims are big and clear, no probs. I'm sure it wouldn't take long to adapt to a slightly longer rod.

If you do think of getting something with some more backbone, like a poster mentioned earlier, don't overlook the cheaper Shimano range. I was watching a video earlier with a guy smashing a lead with their 13ft 3.75lb TX2 Intensity; have no idea what diameter line he was using but hitting just shy of 200yds, with a rod costing just under £100, that's pretty phenomenal.
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   Old Thread  #13 9 Jan 2021 at 8.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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have you thought about a lesson with some of the casting gurus out there
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   Old Thread  #12 9 Jan 2021 at 8.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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13ft rods don't suit everyone - in fact, I find I can cast further with a 12ft.

I think the OP is bit under-gunned. My distance rods are 12ft Hi- S'ive ER's, excellent rods and not pool cues either. No test curve rating, but then that's usually misleading anyway. They'll handle leads up to 4oz, but 3.5 is the sweet spot. With 15lb mono straight through (no need for a leader or braid here), they'll hit 150 yards with ease, further if I really wind them up. Accepted, I am a good caster, but in less experienced hands, I am sure they'll still hit decent distances. I use them with Basia 45 SCW reels.
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   Old Thread  #11 9 Jan 2021 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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At 5ft 8 struggle to keep the rig clear of the ground prior to casting with 12ft rods, especially the water I mention.. Think 13ft rods would make this issue worse.
Plus no braided reel line.
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   Old Thread  #10 9 Jan 2021 at 7.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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13ft rod helps massively with distance and if you can use braided mainline you will hit that distance piece of pi**
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   Old Thread  #8 9 Jan 2021 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes bud, tried 3/3.5 & 4 oz leads. The 3.5 oz hit the clip the most consistent.
Have been browsing rods tbf. After using 10fts for the last 3 years, the 12fts have felt strange to say the least. If I need to buy better distance rods, just want to make sure I buy once and once only.
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   Old Thread  #7 9 Jan 2021 at 6.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I here what you saying bud. I am spooled up for both really. I have .37 on my other spools to cover this scenario.
Problem is with .37 I can just about manage 120 yards which not only puts me another 10 yards shorter than I can reach with the lower diameter line and shock leader, but also puts me in even a greater depth of water.
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   Old Thread  #6 9 Jan 2021 at 1.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If you are hitting 130yds consistently with a 3lb rod you are doing very well imo, from my experience of 3lb rods a 3.5oz lead is most suited.

Personally I would say you may have reached your potential with that rod, if you are able to sell yours and get a more recognised distance rod even 2nd hand (because lots of people are fooled into thinking a distance rod will solve all their problems) this should enable you the extra distance you require.
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   Old Thread  #5 9 Jan 2021 at 11.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If the water is weed and snag free then .28 should be fine, use a braid leader that helps
But depending on the taper of the butt section you might be maxing out your 3lb rods.
Have you tried using 3oz rather than 3.5oz You might find you can get a faster lead speed with a lighter lead on those rods.

If you do decide to look at some more powerful casting rods but donít want to break the bank, have a look at the Shimano TX range, TX2 and TX4 are excellent value, Iíve seen a TX4 13ft Intensity put a lead well over 200 yards
but it was by Terry Edmunds.
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   Old Thread  #4 9 Jan 2021 at 11.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Depends what you want to do really. If you want to make that range easier to achieve, a faster taper rod will make it so. The funny thing is, from reading guys posts on here, you don't have to break the bank and have an all singing and dancing rod to get where you want to get, always second hand too.

If you're going to just going to try and fine tune things, this video might help you get that little bit extra you need -->spool tapers

One thing I will say is that the smaller the line diameter, the smaller the margin for error, meaning: if your line gets damaged or rubs over an underwater feature or obstacle the greater the chance of putting fish in danger if you catch one. Conversely, the larger the line diameter, the greater the margin of error, blah blah blah, but I'm sure you know this.

I personally like to use 0.37 line and above, but with that the rods have to be fast taper which accommodates larger lead sizes.

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   Old Thread  #3 9 Jan 2021 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tbf the 135 yards is with wind behind. 130 is consistent as long as no side wind and conditions calm.
I raised the question to see if there was anything to be improved on before splashing out on more rods.
I keep seeing people saying they can hit distances that seem very extreme.
I would be perfectly happy to hit 140/150 consistently, without breaking the piggy bank.
Could try .28 line first has there are no snags at all. The pool is completely weed free.
Realistically how much distance could be gained by dropping from .30 to .28.
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   Old Thread  #2 9 Jan 2021 at 10.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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135 with 3lb is extreme distance, you can try 0,28 line, even shorter hooklink, smaller hookbait etc but getting a 3,5lb rod would be the best.
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Right guys. Couple of months back switched from 10ft rods to 12ft due to the distance required on a certain water. There is an area Of Water that can be covered by 2 pegs. One peg is comfortably reached at 120 yards.
The two times I have managed to get on the peg I have got amongst them.
The other peg is more challenging, in fact itís a 145yd Chuck. I swapped the10 ft for some 12ft Daiwa DF Whisker 3lb TC. With a .30 reel line and 50lb shock leader I can only Manage 135 yards Max no matter how much I put into the cast. Find 3.5oz leads to be the most consistent.
The 10 yards or so drops me short into 16 ft of water. The area they hold up in is around 6 ft deep.
Question is. Are the rods on the limit for that distance, or have I got to fine tune my technique further.
Personally I do feel the rods are quite soft, very for giving. Almost like a through action. Nice to play fish on though.
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