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   Old Thread  #134 14 Jan 2021 at 7.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Masks are very important, but they are there to aid in stopping people from spreading the virus and not catching it. Moat of the leading scientist that advise governments around the world advocate wearing them, so there must be some truth in it
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   Old Thread  #133 14 Jan 2021 at 0.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The no mask no shopping rule has been going on way before lockdown 3 .
You get the usual chavs that won't, sadly.
Masks only do so much, and alot of the 'masks' people wear are not very effective anyway.
As for warehouses.. you're lucky.
Some of the factories and warehouses I've seen are bombsites.
Hundreds of people overworked\underpayed with crap social distancing.
Like I said .. if you're going to do a lockdown do it full on. Not gonna happen.
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   Old Thread  #132 13 Jan 2021 at 11.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #131 13 Jan 2021 at 11.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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going give my mum and inlaws a call tomorrow to tell them about this.Nice one for that
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   Old Thread  #130 13 Jan 2021 at 10.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #129 13 Jan 2021 at 10.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
In all seriousness though for anyone feeling unsafe. Please look at your local hospital or surgery social media pages for call outs to use up spare vaccines. There is leftover every day that needs using up so if you feel unsafe or want some sort of peace of mind, obviously for your own health, then keep your eye out.
Apparently youíre allowed to travel as far as you want for them though so anywhere near you.

You pay for them with your taxes so youíre entitled to them. Donít let them end up in the bin
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   Old Thread  #128 13 Jan 2021 at 10.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Only supermarket I have used is Tesco,they have handled it very well from the start.The people I have mainly seen not give a **** is woman in late 40s to late 50s,standing too close or pushing infront of you to get to the shelves.I have spoke up a couple of times and the looks you get its like I'm in the wrong for asking them to move away
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   Old Thread  #127 13 Jan 2021 at 10.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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and unfortunately that's the story for society as a whole mate.

i stopped using my nearest Asda because I was sick of being surrounded by selfish gits refusing to wear masks - mostly in the 18-30 age bracket. Kim and Aim (local corner shop) has all i need and i feel much safer
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   Old Thread  #126 13 Jan 2021 at 10.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Unfortunately Mal for every shop that is doing it right 1000s are not.There are two near my house and they don't give a ****.Its a shame the ones doing it right get punished,if they do decide to close them
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   Old Thread  #125 13 Jan 2021 at 9.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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agree on the supermarkets enforcing the mask rule - and my sympathies with the staff who have to deal with the dickheads who will kick off of course.

i differ on the corner shop - my local corner shop has been brilliant throughout. sensible approach to discouraging panic buying (remember the toilet rolls fiasco...?) refusal to budge on the mask wearing. regularly sanitising and cleaning door handles and shelves. screens up at the till and his own mask on at all times. It's a family run business and his POV is that he's protecting his family by being safe.

coffee shops - ffs. some of them don't even pay their ****ing taxes....
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   Old Thread  #124 13 Jan 2021 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They will obviously not shut supermarkets but coffee shops and corner shops could close.I work in a warehouse with very strict rules in place and we have had less cases in whole time this has been going on than the school my sons go in a few months it was open.Im glad the supermarkets have now stated no mask no shopping.I have stuck to all the guidelines throughout
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   Old Thread  #123 13 Jan 2021 at 9.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's the only way a lockdown would truly work.
Shut down EVERYTHING .
Then what?
How are you going to get food?
And don't give me 'keep the shops and online services running' so you can sit at your keyboard all day buying\ordering stuff.
That's where the main spreading is taking place. In warehouses and supermarkets with poor overworked folks shifting gear to be delivered to people on furlough who have nothing else to do.
If you're gonna have a lockdown do it fully.
But how can that work? You tell me.
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   Old Thread  #122 13 Jan 2021 at 9.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #121 13 Jan 2021 at 9.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #120 13 Jan 2021 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'll always defend Scozza. Some say he's not fit to shovel **** but I reckon he is
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   Old Thread  #119 13 Jan 2021 at 9.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it's rare for scozza but yeah - suggesting that you can get fresh air and exercise without a fishing rod is definitely sense. if not exactly 'common' on here....
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   Old Thread  #118 13 Jan 2021 at 9.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Watch what you say scozza, too much common sense there.
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   Old Thread  #117 13 Jan 2021 at 8.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hey up Danny, I worked all the way through last year, I was going to say unfortunately but I suppose it gave me purpose in a way

I guess it affects everybody different and we all have different ways to manage what we are doing. Some people are fed up been at home, Iím fed up with been at work, rather be fishing but at least I have a job at the moment!

Iím not sure, I have always seen life as a balancing act but I do like to feel like I have achieved something if I have been working all day. Walking the dog is a good solution for me, usually walk round local lakes with a bag of bait

When you look into it the list is endless, the main limitation is for us to get of our arses and do something instead of watching the TV!

We can still go out and exercise, we can still do a lot of things when you really think about it, Iíve been walking the local rivers and woods for a change, nature watch, loving it
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   Old Thread  #116 13 Jan 2021 at 8.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not much going for it health wise in a council estate or heavily populated urban area.

Also, much safer to go fishing where you can social distance much better.
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   Old Thread  #115 13 Jan 2021 at 7.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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of course it can

and being in work at the moment is something to be grateful for, not to whinge about....
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   Old Thread  #114 13 Jan 2021 at 7.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can that not be done by walking?
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   Old Thread  #113 13 Jan 2021 at 6.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're missing the point like all the minority 'big noisers' charging to their keyboards lately.
What about the low paid workers who are being forced to work, have a day off and want to get out in the fresh air where they won't meet anyone.
What about the people who live in flats with no gardens?
To all of you guys advocating hardcore lockdown, try and be a bit more open minded.
I have worked throughout the pandemic, and need hospital treatment.
Getting out on my own, social distancing, is a pill I need.
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   Old Thread  #112 13 Jan 2021 at 8.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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100% agree mate
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   Old Thread  #111 13 Jan 2021 at 0.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To be fair Frenzy there's a lot of s**t spouted from those without any knowledge or experience, it boils my blood sometimes...not too disimilar to AT being able to define 15 in a work party is safe. Only embarrassed for my posts being off topic (as others) not about the content.
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   Old Thread  #110 12 Jan 2021 at 5.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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all fun hey
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   Old Thread  #109 12 Jan 2021 at 4.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The way the prattle on sometimes youd think they did 😂
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   Old Thread  #107 12 Jan 2021 at 4.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes, yes they do.
Problem is weíve never heard of it
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   Old Thread  #106 12 Jan 2021 at 4.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair point
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   Old Thread  #105 12 Jan 2021 at 3.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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do the AT make a vaccine?

thought this was about the AT

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   Old Thread  #104 12 Jan 2021 at 3.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I get that but I don't in a way. I've absolutely no idea why they insist on such small volume vials for this vaccine.

When I worked in aseptic compounding vials were multi pierce. The inner circle on the bung could take far more than 6 piercings (depending on vial size & skill of operator) and if you use a vented needle your only piercing once anyway (unless you re use them). The main issue with multi pierce is generating bung particulate (which you don't generally get with vented needles) and in any case the particulate can be filtered out with a filter needle at injection (assuming the vaccine can be filtered).

Same re volume, they could use a 500ml bottle of the dam stuff with a vented line, new syringe and needle for each patient, job done. Strikes me they are applying best practice to mass immunisation, the 2 can't go hand in hand with speed.

Reminds me of the new chemo drugs coming through the Christie when I was there, 2ml vials and 40ml doses...not much fun!
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   Old Thread  #103 12 Jan 2021 at 1.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That seems to be one of the main issues, the companies can have as many production lines as they want, but if you haven't got anything to dispense it in, then the whole thing grinds to a halt. I am still a little sceptical about the amounts the can produce in a day, pharmaceutical companies have the most stringent rules and guidelines in manufacturing, upscaling it into what we need is a monumental effort, fair play if they do it though
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   Old Thread  #102 12 Jan 2021 at 1.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I read somewhere that it was the glass vials which are running out because of the massive amounts required globally and they just cant make them quick enough. Plenty of things within the route from creation to in someones arm that can cause a hold up. packaging for instance.

could be less waste though, thats the disappointing bit.
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   Old Thread  #101 12 Jan 2021 at 12.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We have had a test centre open up at the local rugby club, if I'm honest we probably have enough test centres large enough to support the requirements, without the need to transform pubs.
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   Old Thread  #100 12 Jan 2021 at 12.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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. . .Brew Dog have offered to transform their bars / outlets into vaccination centres as they have the refrigeration equipment and space to do so . . .

Surprise surprise the nay sayers have already berated the offer as a marketing ploy . . . . . . . .eedjits.

Whether this offer has fringe benefits to the brand or not, I think this is a great idea and proactive from a company that has effectively had all its outlets forcibly closed through no fault of their own ffs!

IMO Government needs to stop making excuses and start thinking more creatively to get these jabs out there much faster than its current plodding levels . . . . . cos lets face it whatever your standpoint this is all getting a bit tedious . .
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   Old Thread  #99 12 Jan 2021 at 10.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There will be no problem with production lines, they already have them ready to go, same with regards distribution, although deep frozen not so easy. As for staffing , yes to some extent but the vast majority of the process is automated.

I don't think most people appreciate how quickly these vaccines have got to market, that's some flexibility from the regulatory bodies.
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Producing it probably isnt the issue, getting it into bottles and out to where it needs to go is a different kettle of fish altogether, remember these companies that produce these types of vaccines, have never had to get it to market in such fashion before, and dont forget they are probably suffering the effects of covid with staffing issues with the rest of us
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   Old Thread  #97 12 Jan 2021 at 9.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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this vaccine could be produced alot quicker than the government is saying so why is it not being done

It is, to my knowledge each manufacturer is now stockpiling but there's only so much they can store.
The reason for the delay in releasing it is that each batch is limited in size and each batch needs testing before release, testing can take weeks.
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   Old Thread  #96 11 Jan 2021 at 11.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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. . .fished a popular spot on the Avon close to me on Sunday . . .3 other anglers spread out on the whole stretch covering 5 meadows . . .however - plenty of families (2xparents / Nx kids), threesomes, foursomes, dog walkers all walking the stretch on both banks from 8am-3pm . . .!
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   Old Thread  #95 11 Jan 2021 at 8.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Density of population is the problem in the uk we all live too close to each other compared to our European counterparts.
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The travel thing over here is ridiculous. So much bureaucracy and double standards it's unreal. If they were doing this and keeping the virus under control I may get it, bit we have the worst infection rate in the UK, highest death rate per capita and the slowest at rolling out the vaccine. I don't blame Angling Cymru at all, they are trying to deal with a bunch of idiots
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   Old Thread  #93 10 Jan 2021 at 11.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on mal, people are very quick to start taking liberties when it suits them. Country should be in total lockdown, not this wishy-washy rubbish.
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In this instance there will be some people and organizations that represent people getting out fishing for a few hours will undoubtedly help them and for those that it genuinely helps then well done to the Angling Trust for enabling them to do so.

For the rest that don't really suffer from not going then just don't go. Like most other things in life there will be those that abuse the situation but this is happening anyhow in many different ways, if they wasn't fishing then what else might they be doing?
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   Old Thread  #91 9 Jan 2021 at 7.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Feel for you mate. Your lot seem so similar to that lunatic outfit that's ruining Scotland. Give these authoritarians an inch and not only will they take a mile, they'll rub your nose in it at the same time with the justification that it's all for your benefit, nice.
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The country is full of idiots
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   Old Thread  #89 9 Jan 2021 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I wish the angling trust would help angling cymru out and lobby mark drippy drakefords government in wales...England tier 5 and can fish,wales tier 4 and can't fish,or as they put it you can't drive to any venue to fish so unless you live by a venue you can't fish
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I doubt it mate seen there was another March today in London with **** loads of people it was called ďstop the new normalĒ was a huge protest March and even got confronted by a teacher who was out walking her dog in the video, basically had a go at her and called her a sheep
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Yeah, I think Boris will fold, he has the strength and resilience of a melted KitKat, especially so if that Starmer (sp) cretin starts yabbering on and piping up, Boris copies Starmer's dictats verbatim.
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Careful,he will be crying to a mod about personal attacks
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I've been out delivering non essential crap almost every day since March and I have to say I've not seen it this busy on the roads
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Let's hope they do,shut everything or we will still be in this state in months to come
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i wouldnít be surprised if the current lockdown laws/guidelines are increased in the next few days....there are a lot of people out and about today, albeit following the rules, but that must be a concern to the scientists who model the rate of transmission. We may be restricted to limited time outside your.house like they did to good effect in Spain
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That first post related to your mention of you not thinking angling was exercise. The other post is self explanatory.

You come across as highly emotional - like a lot of the same regular posters - and very angry, and yeah, moaning too.
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ďWelp, the government fortunately doesn't agree with youĒ
Half an hour later.
ďas much as you and I don't like the factĒ
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Unless it was just to be antagonistic I donít see how somebody currently working (I assume self employed) would find it fortunate that people being paid to STAY AT HOME are out having a jolly up.
I havenít moaned, I stated the fact that fishing isnít exercise. There is ample opportunity to exercise between your home and however far you travel to the lake or river, exercise.. Iíve heard it all
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   Old Thread  #79 9 Jan 2021 at 4.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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NHS has been drained for years and now the poor people are being run ragged.Covid is still being passed around the hospitals at an alarming rate
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   Old Thread  #78 9 Jan 2021 at 4.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed on essentials.

I'm sorry but hairdressers and tackle shops don't come close. Costa too - just another example of circumventing law / guidance for selfish reasons. You can buy coffee from tesco and make it at home.

Too many of the British public are like some big spoiled ****ing teenager. And the pathetic government trying to pander to them for future votes need a kick up the arse. The list of what is considered to be a 'key worker' is a joke. Some schools are seeing 50 per cent of kids deemed key worker's children - way more than the real essential workers that were identified 1st lockdown.

Tackle shops essential. ... b******s

If people are so bored maybe they should sign up to the volunteer service / help out at a food bank or something useful.

Ambulances are queued up outside hospitals and people are whining about catching a sodding carp...

Ffs
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   Old Thread  #77 9 Jan 2021 at 3.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No, I'm working and have been since the first lockdown ended fortunately enough - only claimed the first lot of money, unlike some unscrupulous types I've heard about.

However much you want to argue the point, angling has been recognised as exercise, and as much as you and I don't like the fact that people are able to sit around a lake or pit getting payed for it, not much you can do about it really other than moan, which achieves zero.

Yeah, it was annoying to have blokes tell me they've caught shed loads at my place because they were practically living there, sod all I could say apart from well done you....an hero.
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   Old Thread  #76 9 Jan 2021 at 3.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why? Youíre not on furlough are you?
Why should I pay for people to sit around a lake?
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   Old Thread  #75 9 Jan 2021 at 2.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats a very good way of looking at it but for me if its going cause all this selfishness then ban it completely.
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   Old Thread  #74 9 Jan 2021 at 2.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Welp, the government fortunately doesn't agree with you 👌
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   Old Thread  #73 9 Jan 2021 at 2.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If an 'essential' shop can't achieve social distancing then it should close down.
Supermarkets do it, so no excuses for Costa a nationwide company.
Personally I don't think coffee shops should open as they don't serve substantial meals but then we get into is a pork pie a substantial meal thing so I'll leave it there
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   Old Thread  #72 9 Jan 2021 at 2.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can still get alcohol from the supermarket,it helps make some of them look a bit better
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   Old Thread  #71 9 Jan 2021 at 2.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The only essentials are food, water and medication.
Fishing is neither exercise nor essential and when there are some people unable to feed their families and/or losing homes, moaning about not being able to fish is actually pretty selfish.. and if those wanting to go are on furlough they shouldnít be allowed to go during their normal working hours at the very least, theyíre being paid to stay the **** at home
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   Old Thread  #70 9 Jan 2021 at 2.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's a really good point as to what's essential and what isn't.

I did think to myself that women especially would find not being able to beautify themselves a really big problem. Might sound harsh but I did giggle a fair few times some of the pictures that I'd seen in the first lockdown when women weren't able to get their hair and makeup done...the absolute state of some of them
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   Old Thread  #69 9 Jan 2021 at 2.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I went to the tip yesterday and drove past a Costa coffee,it was rammed outside and no social distancing at all.If the government is going to do this properly then lockdown absolutely everything other than supermarkets.
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   Old Thread  #68 9 Jan 2021 at 1.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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baffles me mate

you can buy pretty much ANY products on line. Its the services (ie hairdressers) that you cant
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   Old Thread  #67 9 Jan 2021 at 1.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A local hair and beauty shop remained fully open in Tier4, someone was going to report it but another said no don't do that it was an essential shop because it was the only shop that sold a certain type of hair product (supermarkets and chemists don't sell it) they said their hair desperately needed it. When that person was questioned they got very irate.

So how far do we go with what's essential for people in lockdown?






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   Old Thread  #66 9 Jan 2021 at 1.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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maggots/casters all by delivery service.
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   Old Thread  #65 9 Jan 2021 at 1.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do you genuinely believe that Terry Hearn can only get hold of fresh casters by going into his local tackle shop? Or do you think that there was possibly an element of pleasant staging here to add to the story? If joe bloggs on here knows to go direct to a maggot farm for the freshest bait Iím pretty sure TH has that covered too.
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   Old Thread  #64 9 Jan 2021 at 1.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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arent they all doing click and collect ?
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You haven't answered the point I made which I believe is very valid.

Say you're a competitive match angler, and although you may not be able to compete, you need somewhere to keep your honed skill levels sharp, with that comes bait = shops.

You said that tackle shops are not essential, maybe not to you they're not, but not everyone is you, you know?

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   Old Thread  #62 9 Jan 2021 at 1.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
police out and about pulling cars over round my way this morning. a13 a130 area. also had a couple of drones buzzing about. as shaw Taylor used to say...keep em peeled....
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and TeeCee - I'm sure mr hearn is doing ok without his casters now his new book is out. non essential.
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So we are on lockdown,yet planes are going over my house all the time from Manchester Airport.Yet again we are not just in this ****storm because people are not listening but also because the government have acted too slowly time and time again
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   Old Thread  #59 9 Jan 2021 at 12.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was thinking more the likes of Mr Hearn. If you watched one of his videos where he was going on about how important it was for him to have perfectly fresh casters and then pops into his favourite tackle shop to pick up an order.

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   Old Thread  #58 9 Jan 2021 at 12.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i'd agree that this is polarizing society. not so much that anglers are normally unified though - have you read the Bait section?

as for people making their minds up - again, i agree that people should be able to express their opinions (and be challenged on them), but allowing people to make up their mind whether or not to follow guidelines / laws that are in place for public health / safety isn't a good idea. too many people who think only of themselves - in my opinion of course.
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   Old Thread  #57 9 Jan 2021 at 12.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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. . .this debate is doing nothing other than polarizing society - even us as anglers who are 'normally' a relatively unified and consistent group of nerdy hobbyists that like nothing other than sticking sharp steel into fishy mouths . . .

As per the other Covid related post - people need to be able to make up their own minds about the situation at hand, be able to express themselves without being shot down (everyone is being affected in different ways) and also feel free to be able to decide how they consequently act going forward . . . . . . . . . . and that includes going fishing if it respects the safety of oneself and others . . .

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I don't think competitive angling is on the list of 'elite sports'

match fishing is prohibited

and as Braders says - sponsored anglers don't need to go shopping - i don't remember seeing Ali Hamdi popping in to my local tackle shop for a couple of pints of mixed maggot and a handful of feeders any time recently....

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If you are a pro angler I doubt you would need a tackleshop,you would surely be sponsored and your gear sent to you either free or at cost
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   Old Thread  #54 9 Jan 2021 at 12.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How many Ďproí anglers are there? That actually solely fish for a living. Iím not talking about anyone that has another job inside a bait or tackle firm, fishery, etc. One that is solely employed to go fishing.
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   Old Thread  #53 9 Jan 2021 at 12.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe pro anglers should furlough themselves?
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   Old Thread  #52 9 Jan 2021 at 12.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you're a pro angler, places to get your kit from are essential to your angling are they not?
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The government have instructed AstraZeneca to slow production down.It could be why you have stated but if its no vaccine or something that can prevent the virus,I know which I would choose
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   Old Thread  #50 9 Jan 2021 at 11.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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bait and tackle shops aren't essential. don't recall saying they were. they are like fishing for pleasure - not essential.

i also never said I would be staying in because 'i want to'. I'll be doing it because there's a bigger picture and it benefits others. I'll be going in to work when needed to supervise key worker and vulnerable kids and I'll be delivering online lessons from home when I can.

disagreeing doesn't make someone a dickhead (something else I never said)

one could argue that saying 'footballers are being instructed to still go to work, then I'm going to go out and do what i 'want' to ' does though...I'll let others be the judge of that



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   Old Thread  #49 9 Jan 2021 at 11.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Clearly.
Just giving a reason as to why they may be prioritising other, more effective, vaccine orders first.

Of course it could just be that they canít distribute it quick enough so no point ordering more than you can handle. But then the manufacturers themselves arenít controlled by the government and the British government are not the sole customers. If anything the lack of producing to capacity is on the manufacturer not the customer?
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   Old Thread  #48 9 Jan 2021 at 10.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Better than no vaccine at all though surely
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The only argument Iíve seen as selfish is your own. You donít want to go out so no one can. Now thatís selfish. how is walking up a hill or sitting with a rod any more of a danger to health if alone ?

Iím more than happy to stop in doors if they do it properly where everyone is in lockdown. But while thereís 22 people playing football and people working jobs that are not essential I wonít be making my self a prisoner either.

How are bait and tackle shops essential , many are click and collect but thatís still not essential , thereís 1000s working jobs non essential,

Just because someone doesnít agree doesnít mean the rest are dickheads
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   Old Thread  #46 9 Jan 2021 at 9.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Probably because itís nowhere near as effective as other vaccines and works differently.
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   Old Thread  #44 8 Jan 2021 at 11.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The figures for covid infection look to be showing a similar seasonal pattern though. And 11000 annually compared to potentially the same figure in just over a week is still a weak argument, seasonal or not.

I don't believe everything either. But people are dying and it's not flu. I've seen first hand how it affects people and (thankfully) how long the recovery can take. I'm sick of people moaning that they can't go fishing / play golf / get a sodding bikini wax. There's a bigger picture and I'm afraid angling is just a few brush strokes (or pixels if you prefer) on it - if that

As for vaccines, I'm sure there'll be some government shenanigans going on. I don't trust them (politicians) at all. The doctors, nurses, carers I've heard, no reason for them to lie about the horrible day to day they're facing.

Nothing personal fella. Don't want any snowflake wind-up merchants complaining do we?


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Flu season as the experts call it is not over a 12month period.Im sorry Mal but I dont believe all the bull**** we are being told.I grew up in Macclesfield and know people that work for AstraZeneca,this vaccine could be produced alot quicker than the government is saying so why is it not being done
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Braders mate - 11000 a year vs 1300 per day.... not a very strong line of argument there given that equates to about 8 and a half days - if the death rate doesn't increase at all..

And to those who see this as a win... Yes well done the Angling trust for pandering to a bunch of entitled, selfish, blinkered whingers. I'm sure they'll be on hand to look after you and yours should, god forbid, you or your loved ones catch the virus.

Pathetic

And the 'I have to get out for the fresh air for my mental health' excuse is ******** too. I'm not downplaying mental health issues in any way at all but I'm pretty sure you can get out into the fresh air / take a walk/ spend time by yourself without a ****ing fishing rod. It's not exercise, it's not your employment and it's not necessary.

Peace and ****ing love



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   Old Thread  #41 8 Jan 2021 at 10.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps you should try rethinking the content of your posts then. Nearly every post I see you make is clearly intended to provoke a reaction out of someone.
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Get used to being locked in four walls,1300 deaths today from covid.Its nothing to do with it being flu season which kills on average 11000 every year though.Its ALL covids fault
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   Old Thread  #39 8 Jan 2021 at 10.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Done other things that didn't involve 'social distancing' .
e.g. not locked in four walls.
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   Old Thread  #38 8 Jan 2021 at 9.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We went Ďtroutí fishing.
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   Old Thread  #37 8 Jan 2021 at 9.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If it is classed as exercise you can't drive miles from home to do it you have to stay in your own area
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How did everyone ever cope during the old close season?
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To all you that think this is bad, you're missing the point.

Locking people down constantly is going to create problems and health issues, particularly in the long term - Recreation \ exercise is important in these times.
It's creating a balance.
Fishing on your own can be done safely.
Stop f*kin whining.
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Lol bantzzzzzzzz
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Ironic.....
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You need to listen to their podcast, It does'nt come under exercise.
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Oh come on, it was gentle teasing not abuse, you can say what you want if you put a smiley face after it can't you?

I'll ask the question you were hoping for someone to ask then... why do you get tested for coronavirus daily?
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Mods, any chance of doing something about these types of personal attacks and abusive behaviour please?

Just posting on a thread and get attacked and then things just decend into chaos.
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We get tested by your bulls**t on here daily
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A bit of a dual edged sword this one,

When the 1st lock down was on the society water I fish picked up a real problem with youths taking over the place smoking ganja on the pegs swimming in the lake poaching etc,
When the lake re opened there had to be 24hr security taken on to get them all moved on as they were abusing anglers etc.

The golf course I play at hasn't been shut for a week yet and already there have been people riding motocross bikes across the greens...people allowing their dogs to crap on the fairways etc etc.

I totally get that it's safer to stay indoors however we are the cats...and while we're away I'm afraid the mice will play.

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exactly
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yes mate, thats exactly what we did and will do going forward.
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Regarding the professional sport comparison, youve got to take into account that its actually a job to the people playing its not just exercise that's why all grassroots has been suspended as that is just recreational.
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It worked perfectly last year Ė in fact Iíve just printed off the sheets and signed and dated them, giving authority to go and check, over-flows, in-flows, check Fencing, feed stock ponds etc... For two sites, one person per site.

Every time you go you date and sign the back of the 2nd sheet.


We repaired/ put about 250 yards of walkway and pegs at a River section during the last Lock-down, nowhere near 15 people needed, just around 6 skilled people- and all had to be signed off that they was doing essential, time sensitive maintenance work.
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   Old Thread  #22 8 Jan 2021 at 2.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I agree with O.P.

Very well done the Angling Trust.
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   Old Thread  #21 8 Jan 2021 at 2.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I get tested daily...no joke either 👍
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   Old Thread  #20 8 Jan 2021 at 2.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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someone will always find/create a loop hole.

Just checked a local complex, GOOD NEWS all lakes are frozen
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   Old Thread  #19 8 Jan 2021 at 2.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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lockdown for bailiff etc and they are stating up to 15 people at one time during a work party

but their get out clause is "socially distant"

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   Old Thread  #18 8 Jan 2021 at 2.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree mate
I do hope that now AT have secured angling during lockdown they produce some guidelines for us to follow (similar to the Lockdown Bailiff and Fishery management guidelines on their site) and not just sit sit back and class it as exercise and let us interpret that as we wish.
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   Old Thread  #17 8 Jan 2021 at 2.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I hope those who fish, fish responsible as For one im glad itís aloud as itís important for those who need the escape to be able to do so. Itís not selfish for someone with PTSD or other issues to want to be able to sit and relax by the lake side. I no how important this is personally. But I can see both sides that some will be idiots as thereía always is idiots in all walks of life.
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   Old Thread  #16 8 Jan 2021 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not sure whether lobbying for angling to continue was the best of ideas. We can all see what's happening in front of our eyes, London has just declared a major incident because of covid, and yet those in the angling trust keep pestering MP's for angling to continue. Abit of empathy would be nice, and acknowledge the situation, shut up shop for a month or two, and help out. I wont be going, weather is pants, I'll save it for the warmer months
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I'm personally disgusted with the AT on this matter. Its nothing short of gathering funds.

The bigger picture is SAFETY

we can all argue the toss re how safe it is to be "alone" in the countryside, but clearly thats not going to happen
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   Old Thread  #14 8 Jan 2021 at 1.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I must say I tend to agree with post 11, despite being an avid winter angler.
I hope the AT haven't shot themselves in the foot. Throughout the summer and autumn we've been allowed to fish pretty much unrestricted, with angling classed under recreation and leisure, with no time limits imposed, thus allowing night fishing. It seems that angling has now been reclassified as exercise. When this lockdown is eased, with recreation and leisure allowed again will there still be limits imposed on exercise?
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   Old Thread  #13 8 Jan 2021 at 1.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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check the other thread mate - the idiots are out already...
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After the last lockdown when we could go fishing again, I went to an invite only lake (not a syndicate or day ticket) every peg on one back was filled with at least 2 people, towards end end there was a family or 2 with a lot of children running up and down, I can't see how that's safe.

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   Old Thread  #11 8 Jan 2021 at 1.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said, 100% agree...

The AT have gone too now far in my opinion and instead of desperately lobbying for fishing to continue in any possible form they should have thrown their weight behind the Government, backed the Lockdown and made sure that fishing was restored as soon as restrictions were lifted, they would have earned much more respect for such a stance. They and indirectly Angling on the whole have come across as nothing but selfish and inconsiderate to the bigger picture.

I know there is very little harm in walking along a river for a couple of hours and that is fine but we all know that there will be those who will end up spoiling it by breaking the rules or not understanding them properly in the first place. It would only be for 6 or 7 weeks for heavens sake, not months like last time.....just wait...
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   Old Thread  #10 8 Jan 2021 at 12.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And if someone does come to talk to you make sure to stay well away from their breath vapour cloud irrespective of distance

Basic common sence (You would expect!) throw wearing a mask into the equasion when in an enclosed area and hey presto - Covid is stopped in it's tracks.


~ I actually saw in another thread someone say "Masks don't work" So surgeons etc.. have been wearing masks for near on 120 years for fun then
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And if someone does come to talk to you make sure to stay well away from their breath vapour cloud irrespective of distance
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I get tested twice a week also at work working with other people and if one person gets Covid like rugby,football then the whole of the people working with them have to isolate for 14days

At least fishing your pretty much alone
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   Old Thread  #7 8 Jan 2021 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said...👍
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   Old Thread  #6 8 Jan 2021 at 11.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok...going fishing is not exactly the top priority for the UK Gov at the moment, and classing it as "exercise" might be a little tenuous during Lockdown 3, but thats up to the politicians making the rules.

There are also benefits to mental health just from being outisde in the fresh air, however you do it.

Regardless, the AT have still done a great job in representing the entire industry (tackle shops, fishery owners etc) and issuing clear consistent advice of what the lockdown/tier rules actually mean for angling.
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They get tested twice a week, a lot more than most. I also donít think it should go ahead either but at least they actually get tested
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Seriously? We all know that laying in a bivvy eating pot noodles or sitting on a seatbox at a commercial fishery arent actual exercise

For real have you seen how much s**t the average bivvy bug takes nowadays, pushing that lot on a uneven path around a lake is more exercise than most people get in a week :-p
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But surely going fishing is a lot safer to maintain a social distance than football,rugby, etc etc

And only today you read about the number of players getting Covid and games being called off
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   Old Thread  #2 8 Jan 2021 at 11.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Whilst the AT have in theory done their job and acted as a voice for angling I for one am very surprised that it has been passed for fishing to be allowed as a form of 'exercise'. Seriously? We all know that laying in a bivvy eating pot noodles or sitting on a seatbox at a commercial fishery arent actual exercise. Granted someone walking down a river spinning may loosely be classed as exercise but I bet those people will in reality on represent a tiny percentage of those fishing. I for one dont know anyone who will be doing this, but I do know of a lot of people who will be carping or match fishing.

Classing fishing as exercise is simply a selfish and blinkered way of circumnavigating restrictions put in place to protect the British population and to reduce stresses on the health service. There are far bigger issues we face as a population other than whether we can go fishing. It can wait. Some people's attitudes towards this are nothing short of moronic
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There is generally a lot of negativity on forums and social media so lets have something positive...

It must be said that the Angling Trust has been fantastic in representing angling throughout this ongoing pandemic.

They have consistently made the case to government for angling and the associated industry and issued clear and cosistent advice.

I wasn't a member until this year, but I certainly am now.
All anglers should consider it if they can afford it.
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