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In reply to Post #486
I'm not your pal so let's get that straight you *****  .
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In reply to Post #473
I know of two people who contracted covid after visiting a hospital, one was Boston, the other in Harlow. That was last March. One of them ended up in an ITU for 6 weeks, he was 48 with no underlying health issues. I have had to visit the hospital many times over in the last six months due to heart issues - I am super cautious - you see all sorts coming and going, people not wearing masks (including staff!), lack of social distancing and people all touching the same doors and ticket machines in the car parks, but not cleaning their hands before or after. So, you still think it's odd that going to hospital is high risk? Take your head out of the sand pal
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In reply to Post #483
Is this the one we can't get until Spring
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In reply to Post #483
oh how we all pray for normality hey
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In reply to Post #479
It's not all doom and gloom
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In reply to Post #480
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In reply to Post #480
Totally agree
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In reply to Post #479
exactly the same here mate....as much as im blessed living where i do, and i have NO reason to moan about not getting out the house...i miss my family and friends dearly. talking on bloody zoom, just isnt me
I ignore the doubters, haters, fools who dont believe this is real. we are all entitled to our opinions, its not until you know people who have caught it and died it becomes really real
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In reply to Post #478
I have done everything we have been told to do mate.I have not seen my mum for ages to protect her as I'm still working.Its just getting harder and harder to keep listening to all the doom and gloom.Once all the old and vulnerable have had the vaccine they should let us get on with it
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In reply to Post #477
You should listen mate, simply because you should be a better person
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In reply to Post #476
It's not helping when social media is full of celebrities and sports people taking the piss.Look at Celtic,lose to Rangers then fly out to Dubai.They have now got players with covid,people see that and think,**** it if they are not listening why should I
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In reply to Post #468
fair enough - the OP seemed to be taking issue with the essential nature of the work - a decent home for NHS staff is a higher priority than a lot of the other things i'm coming across, hence my sarcasm.
My mam (that's 'mum' to you lot) went in hospital for severe arthritic pain issues just before October Half Term. Then caught covid on the ward. Was moved to another hospital facility for isolation and then physio / pain treatment. Then moved out of there early december (to free up bed space) to a care home with the promise of physio visits - which are yet to happen.
now she's out of the NHS system and into the care system and we are looking at how the hell it's supposed to be paid for.
if the NHS wasn't so stretched because of poor government and selfish individuals then she might have been home before Christmas and actually have been treated.
even my patience is pushed to it's limit with this farce
edit - and if the people next door to me had builders / decorators wandering around with no masks or distancing I'd be reporting it.
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In reply to Post #473
you should consider it as a very strong possibility yes... I am not saying that is ok, I am just stating what reality is! Not going to doctor/hospital for stupid reason or as a result of stupid behavior is imo at the moment more important than some other measures...
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In reply to Post #472
I know precautions are taken I also knows doctors and nurses are being made to go into work showing symptoms.I know someone who was told she had tonsillitis not covid and to get on with her job.No shock to find she did have covid and had been in work for days with it
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In reply to Post #471
So if you go to hospital you should expect to catch covid
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In reply to Post #470
Didn’t say it wouldn’t be from being in hospital mate. Just highlighted that precautions are taken on the staff. A lot of cases of covid are people catching it in hospital. The data is there to find.
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In reply to Post #470
you cant be surprised if people get sick in places where all the sick people get together can you? hospitals are not some SF movie just places where sick people go to...
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In reply to Post #469
Well my mates mum has not left the house in four years (due to ill health).She has been fine throughout,she has been in hospital a week and has now got it.Im not a betting man but I would put money on where she has caught this from
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In reply to Post #468
Would that not be down to ineffective PPE in the workplace as well as their own fault. Depending on their job inside the NHS, which could be admin staff for all we know, anyone on any ward has to do 2 covid tests at home per week. At least they do round my way, I’d assumed it’s a universal thing and not site specific. So there really should be little risk of them taking it in and spreading it.
If they’ve had their first dose of the vaccine they also become less likely to pass it on.
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In reply to Post #466
I think you are missing the point Mr sarcasm,if they are around all these trades not following guidelines then going into the hospitals its not good.My mates mum has just caught it whilst in hospital after suffering a stroke
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In reply to Post #464
Have you raised this with them?
Rather than a Carp Forum
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In reply to Post #464
no... why should NHS workers have a decent place to live? how dare they get people in to renovate their house when the poor lads could all be out fishing....
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In reply to Post #464
NHS staff are refusing to have the vaccine, having the builders in is at their own risk. Or maybe they’ve had the vaccine so see it as less of a risk if they get it.
No one is paying much attention because everyone is sick of it now. Stumbling from one lockdown to the next with little offer of hope for the end of it. Then they bring out scare tactics such as the new adverts of people dying to try and scare people in to following the rules, it didn’t work with cigarettes, do they really think it’ll work with this?
Until a solution and timeline is offered no one will pay attention. Too many ifs and buts and fantasy talk doesn’t give people hope, it indicates it doesn’t matter what people do, the situation won’t change.
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In reply to Post #463
2 NHS staff have bought the house next to me and are having it renovated by all sorts of trades. No social distancing, no masks and not what I consider to be essential work.
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It's come at a very unfortunate time not because I want or need to go fishing that can wait it is because we were right in the middle of draining, de-silting, sorting out the stock and fencing my mates lake between ourselves/syndicate the travel restrictions and stay at home has put paid to this for a while, oh well back to the essential key work that is construction.
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In reply to Post #461
yeah mate, no gives a flying f£ck
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In reply to Post #460
I agree but won't make the slightest bit of difference unfortunately
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In reply to Post #459
even so, i can still see things coming in
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In reply to Post #458
They can say what they want but people are not listening anyway.There is not enough police to enforce the laws and let's be honest I can see why people are not listening.Boris is a bumbling idiot who nobody takes seriously and he's handled this situation really badly from the start.
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In reply to Post #457
i can see stronger restrictions coming soon
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In reply to Post #456
Absolutely correct. In the absence of firm clear rules people do what they want, find loopholes, excuses etc without thinking whether they should.
This doesn’t only apply to fishing but looking at the amount of people in the towns and on the roads this lockdown is a joke.
Perhaps when people lose someone close some might change their thinking.
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In reply to Post #453
As it’s open to individual interpretation people will do as they see fit. The police have been told it’s down to the individual officer to make their own call on it, so people have the same freedom. If it boiled down to it then a police officers opinion is not a valid reason for prosecution. Plenty of loopholes out there if you want to go find them.
Lakes aren’t rammed, it’s not like it was after the spring lockdown last year.
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In reply to Post #454
Angling Trust Guidelines on their website:
How far can we travel to go fishing?
Only local travel is permitted for the purpose of daily exercise as set out in the Government’s travel guidance here
This specifies the ‘local area’ – ie. town, village or part of the city in which you live. However, there is a recognition that there will be a need to travel for outdoor exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space).
Anglers will need to apply commonsense and judgement in defining their local area rather than fixating on parish boundaries. A lake or river in a neighbouring parish may well be closer than one on the other side of the same town. In short, you should be fishing your nearest available waters.
If you have no local fishing available then you will have to take your daily exercise in other ways.
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In reply to Post #453
I think what the government meant to do was simply allow people out for a day in the open and keep them out of the parks and take away cafés, which are actually busier than a normal January. But anglers being anglers are making it 100 times more complicated than it needs to be.
If folk want to go fishing, then just go.
If not, don’t.
If they told us how many beans make 5 people would find a way to disagree over that too.
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In reply to Post #449
I’m sure you realise that by local they mean close to home and not nearest park/ lake etc which could 10 or even 20 miles away.
The rule makers are obviously busy but perhaps they need to give a bit more thought and clarify what they mean by local, especially to help curb those who will push things to the limit.
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In reply to Post #450
Just going on what they were saying on social media about plenty of swims being free.
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In reply to Post #448
It's governed by council district - if you read down into the guidelines, that's how local is being interpreted. I drove 22 miles to fish today and 22 back, zero problems. In fact, chap a few swims up was a copper - he'd come a similar distance within the same CD and saw it the way it is. Unlike the over zealous tits handing out fines in Derbyshire.
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In reply to Post #449
Thought farlows was frozen over.
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In reply to Post #440
Is it not all relative? If you are allowed to go fishing, the police can’t force you stop an activity that’s allowed. If your nearest fishery is down the road or 10 miles, that is your local fishery is it not?
Not quite sure what all the fuss is about anyway, banks aren’t rammed due to time of the year. Farlows has been quiet, fair weather anglers are all at home.
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As per the government website about staying local...Stay local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live.
It's all pretty simple really but many seem to want to confuse the issue and guidelines.
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In reply to Post #446
Don’t say that, they will all be on with their conspiracy theories 
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In reply to Post #445
Never got religion, think it was a way of controlling the masses?
A bit like Cov..... oh hang on 
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In reply to Post #444
One up the road from me, packed this morning, I guess this could be where the new generation of swingers hang out though?
Never got religion, think it was a way of controlling the masses?
Doesn’t bother me, I’m a Jedi 
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At least you can go to church 
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In reply to Post #442
I can see why to be fair.
As usual nothing is clearly defined, put a 10 mile boundary on travel for exercise for example and some will travel 11 and 12 etc. There has to be defined restrictions to police it properly for me
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In reply to Post #440
Derbyshire police have issued a statement saying that all the fines are going to be reviewed and cancelled.After the two women went to the papers about it,thats what I heard on the radio yesterday
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In reply to Post #440
It’s an interesting one and open to misinterpretation as usual!
They drove 5 - 7 miles so the alarm bells should ringing. It seems to me it’s from when you step out of you door your exercise begins!
I know Derbyshire police are having a crack down but 5 - 7 miles is virtually nothing!
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I'm not sure if anyone has already said this?
The word 'district' has been dropped from the AT guidelines, it now says you have to stay 'local' in accordance with government rules for exercising. There isn't any advice as to what local means, but there were several people fined £200 in Derbyshire yesterday for traveling 5 - 7 miles from home (not to go fishing).
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In reply to Post #438
Well said
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In reply to Post #437
Fair enough.. All I will say if you have really got to go. If it helps your mental well being I totally understand. But for F@$is sake stay local limit your contacts keep your distance sanitize your hands. This s@#t is real. Only just lost someone close to me because of it  
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In reply to Post #434
I can't say, against Forum rules and not appropriate to name people anyway. I suspect something will surface on social media, as I gather they intend to contest the fines. There's always someone willing to chance it - I know for fact there are bivvies on one water. It's very foggy today, so maybe they think no one will see them? Chap who runs that syndicate doesn't seem to care - he told a mate of mine who did the day for pike on the same water, 'it's up to them if they want to risk it'. Not so sure I agree with that, but as someone else has said, it's not exactly the first thing on my list of things to do in this weather... bloody freezing out today. I'll probably go lure fishing down the local river tomorrow - at least I can cover a lot water and get some excercise doing it
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In reply to Post #435
I once caught a small common with a spinner ,on my local river and caught it again within 5 minutes of releasing it !
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In reply to Post #434
Had a couple of hours lure fishing this afternoon and thoroughly enjoyed it I did not see a soul. I'm out again tomorrow afternoon for a few hours feeder fishing on the local river for Bream of all species. 
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In reply to Post #425
Name and Shame... us as Anglers dont no how lucky we have it. But its idiots like these that always want to push the boundaries. We are aloud to fish for f@#ks sake it might only be days and local. Think of the petrol you'd save and nights are **** this time of year anyway.
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In reply to Post #429
Sounds great mate in a lovely part of the world. Tight lines
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In reply to Post #430
Taken from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home.
If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local - unless it is necessary to go further, for example to go to work. Stay local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live.
I live in a moderate sized town with it's own council, so have have taken it to mean the area covered by my local council to whom I pay my council tax.
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In reply to Post #428
Clearly c..ts of the highest order.
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Where is this thing of "district" mentioned, anyone got an official link to a source?
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In reply to Post #418
No mate, a Darwen Angler - surrounded with masses of still waters and Rivers, I fish a couple of private beats on the Ribble/Calder, and also the Darwen too - fish them all for Barbel, Pike, Grayling, Chub, Dace, wild Brownies etc.........
I just hope the Trout season does not get screwed up this year again, especially if due to the antics some some selfish, self-centred, me-me-me, Carp Anglers!
It's took less than 24hours for it to start
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In reply to Post #425
who are the two "well known" anglers
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In reply to Post #425
didn't take long did it?
you're right - idiots like this will show that 'common sense' can't be relied on - as it doesn't exist
I've a couple of reservoirs within a walk of mine - but I'll be avoiding them so as not to run into carp anglers from Kent - and these two...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814
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In reply to Post #423
I've never seen so many anglers desperate to go fishing in the depths of winter. Maybe they like the sound the lead makes when it skims across the ice?
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In reply to Post #421
I know, but some people are clearly as thick as mud and can't work it out. Council District. Doh! Just search online with a postcode of a) your home address and b) the post code of the water you want to fish. If they fall within the same Council District, that's local. How hard is that?
Yes, there will be some winners and losers - I have a couple of waters less than 10 minutes drive away, but they are in a different district, yet I can legally fish another that's half an hour away. Just the way the cookie crumbles. Just be grateful you can go FFS.
BTW chaps - two anglers have been fined for breach of lockdown on a water in cambridgeshire that a mate of mine runs... they travelled up from kent to fish it this morning... they would have had a warning and just be told to go home, but one of them got ****ty with the police, hence the fines (well known carp anglers BTW)... it's idiots like that which will see it banned in lockdown.
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In reply to Post #419
Seconded.
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In reply to Post #421
You know what else is simple...?
'Stay at home'
just saying 
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In reply to Post #421
Spot-on....but we all know there will be those that push the boundaries, just as they would do for anything else because they are either ignorant or stupid, or both....
If i want a couple of hours fishing I am limited to a stretch of the Grand Union Canal and that is literally it....and that resembles milk chocolate after the recent storms and is largely devoid of fish anyway.....
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In reply to Post #420
I don't know how things could be any clearer?
You are only allowed to exercise/fish within your own district (government rules). Districts have clearly defined boundaries, they are not a matter of personal opinion. Two minutes using Google and you can find out exactly which district you and your preferred fishery are in.
Really simple.
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In reply to Post #419
Angling trust have made this way more confusing for everyone than it should have been
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Personally while the below is happening at my local hospital where my wife works I won't be breaking lockdown to go fishing, permission or not.
bbc news link
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In reply to Post #406
Agree Keith, are you a Settle Angler? I've an S&DAA ticket for on the river this winter but it's out of my area so can't use it. Got a couple of Cheshire river tickets that are local so glad I can use those this winter for predators
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In reply to Post #416
It's all a bit daft.... I live half a mile in a county that is X district council, I travel into a neighbouring county every day for work which is the same postcode as home, but different council. It also contains my syndicate where we are allowed to fish. Same postcode. So am I really going to drive away from my venue which is ten minutes from work into a different (my home) district to fish, which would be a journey of about twenty miles, or just carry on fishing my peaceful venue, on my way home from work, where I won't see a soul but apparently breaking some made up geographical law and surely bound to wipe out the global population because I want to fish for a few hours after grafting all day. Mind you, from what I've read on the internet over the last few days it wouldn't be an entirely bad thing if the global population was wiped out... No wonder people are confused and arguing.
Explaining the above to any police officer would result in them being as bored as I am writing it. I'll be told to stay safe and be on my way. Just be sensible, don't be a dick and be nice. The amount of anglers taking the moral high ground, preaching to strangers with no knowledge or understanding of their circumstances over the last few days has been terrible. Humanity really has shown it's true colours and sheer lack of brain cells. Any sign of open mindedness, free thinking or rational judgement has been shot down by self appointed conformist legends in their own lunch break. It's really sad.
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In reply to Post #412
The government are using specific language with not too much ambiguity. Best to check your water and find out really.
What I will say is it's a bit unfair in a sense of say you live in a small village and compare that to London for instance.
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Common sense.
Well done Angling Trust.
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In reply to Post #413
Nor is "local" the same postcode. That could encompass large areas.
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In reply to Post #412
District is not county
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In reply to Post #410
Probably means same County that you live in. I think most commercial fisheries and fishing clubs will decide to remain closed, but I could be wrong.
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In reply to Post #410
What a result I just need to check if my local club is going to open if not a few hours lure fishing on the river will do .
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In reply to Post #407
Gov.uk says - local area = village, town or part of the city you live in.....
told you....confusion all round
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In reply to Post #408
But the vast majority of Angling is not into fancy camping antics are they Joss.
Carp Anglers forget – they are only a small slice of the Angling Pie.
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In reply to Post #406
Post 403 might give you a clue
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In reply to Post #405
I agree, clear as mud, but if you read through the Government guidance, you will see that local is defined as your local area, which is your district council. Just tap in your postcode and then the post code of where you plan to fish, if they are in the same area, you are OK. For example, I am in Uttlesford and thankfully, that encompasses both my primary syndicate water and several club waters. Happy days. Couldn't give a stuff about no night fishing, in many ways that's a good thing - meaning less pressure on the fish and a level playing field every day. Will people follow the rules? Absolutely fecking not based on what I've seen over the last 9 months of this ****...
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All credit to the Angling Trust, a bit of common sense prevailed at last
This time of year it’s Grayling and Pike fishing for me, and I walk miles and miles of river banks in pursuit of them.
On a private stretch with zero public access - fishing dawn till dusk just over a week ago, spoke to one person all day (Another member) But the opposite bank which has a public walkway along it - literally 100's of the general public out walking.
What’s the problem 
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In reply to Post #395
Agree with you...
More confusion....how many miles is local......can you fish after dark but not midnight...can you cook on the bank ala camping....etc etc etc ....yawn.
Think the AT would have been better leaving this for 5-6 weeks to see if things have improved then start campaigning.
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In reply to Post #403
Think as carp anglers it’s worth realising carp are not the be all and end all. Plenty of roving river anglers, lure anglers, etc that are part of the sport.
I’m also not sure about you but barrowing a load of kit around a lake is what I would deem exercise.
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In reply to Post #395
Fishing as exercise? Really? Like the 20 stone bloke at the day ticket water...rocks up with 2 crates of Stella and 200 fags, sets up (3 fags) thenn sorts out the Ridge Monkey cooking stuff and makes couple of toasties to see him through til the Indian delivers his dinner.....all the while knocking back copious quantities of Stella and the odd spliff........some sort of exercise that is...
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I think the government have based their decision purely on watching the Christmas episode of Whitehouse and Mortimer.
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In reply to Post #391
As sports go It's right up there with darts 
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In reply to Post #395
spot on
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In reply to Post #395
Perhaps they think all anglers / fishermen are mature responsible people.
Perhaps they haven’t read a few of the comments on here.
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In reply to Post #395
You know salmon season is coming right...
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In reply to Post #395
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In reply to Post #395
Totally agree
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In reply to Post #394
Im amazed this has been passed to be honest. Fishing...exercise? Come on now.
The AT have in theory done their job but the whole idea of classing fishing as exercise just to circumnavigate restrictions put in place for the benefit of our population is beyond selfish and blinkered. There are bigger issues facing the UK right now than whether people can go fishing.
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In reply to Post #393
The roads are way quieter! I'm doing Bedfordshire down to Surrey right round the M25 in "rush hour" traffic in just over an hour, half the time it was taking a few weeks before Xmas
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In reply to Post #385
Yep, i agree. They give people too much credit but presuming that they have common sense, will do the right thing and giving them a bit of leeway
Roads dont seem any different than normal to me either
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Cor, some of you lot, a right barrel of laughs.
Must be a right chuckle coming across ya on the bank you bunch of minj's.
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In reply to Post #382
I'm still amazed that fishing is classed as a sport. I normally return home fatter than when I started. Still at least I can tell the doc that I'm exercising regularly
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In reply to Post #387
Yeah, the campers can become a tad annoying.
Just waiting for an update on my place. Not too bothered about fishing, it's my pre baiting for the spring that had put a spanner in the works. Whoop whoop.
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In reply to Post #385
I agree mate, not only that how many more thousands of people are going to take up the sport, the waters are rammed as it is. 🤔
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In reply to Post #385
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In reply to Post #375
I don't know why some of you are still moaning - fishing back on. OK, you have to stay local, but it's better than nowt. No night fishing? Good! Means I don't have to worry about swim choice as some time bandit is camping for the week (was happening a lot on my local water).
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In reply to Post #385
I tend to agree
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No doubt I'll get destroyed for this but it totally undermines the governments 'Stay At Home' message and its not something I'll support. The fish will still be there when people have been vaccinated.
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In reply to Post #383
il start day 6 haha "Sun Paper" :P
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In reply to Post #382
Thanks for posting
Shall we run a sweep on the date for the first headline along the lines of 'Anglers told to go home after driving 100 miles to catch carp'....?
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The Head of Sports Participation at DCMS confirmed the following;
“fishing is allowed as exercise so long as participants adhere to the rules on staying local, gathering limits, social distancing and limiting the time spent outdoors”
This has also been confirmed by DEFRA;
“Cabinet Office have now officially confirmed that angling / fishing (incl. sea fishing off private boats, water sports) can be considered exercise and are hence permitted.”
We have worked extremely hard to reach this position and we as anglers have a duty to abide by the strict conditions under which fishing is once again permitted. With infection rates and death tolls rising we must stick to the Government’s rules and ensure that angling remains part of the solution and does not cause problems.
Please bear in mind these key points which will be reflected in the new Angling Trust guidelines which we will publish shortly:
- This is a strictly limited resumption of LOCAL fishing and very different to how we have been allowed to operate since May
- We are in a National Lockdown and this must be respected. The law requires a ‘reasonable excuse’ to leave your home or penalties will apply.
- The government has recognised that fishing can be seen as exercise, which is expressly permitted under the lockdown rules, although outdoor recreation is not.
- Organised sporting gatherings are prohibited so no match fishing.
- The exercise is limited to once a day so no overnight fishing whatsoever.
- To remain within the law you should follow the government’s guidance, and only fish locally within the district where you live. If you have no local fishing available then you will have to take your daily exercise in other ways.
We are once again able to enjoy the sport we love at a time when many others can not and we must ensure that every angler adheres to the rules.
I would ask all anglers who are not members to join the Angling Trust and give us your support. We have worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome and that is only possible thanks to the support of our new and existing members. I would ask all anglers who value their ability to go fishing to make the same commitment as your fellow anglers have and join the Angling Trust. We are stronger together!
Membership - Angling Trust https://anglingtrust.net/membership/
Stay safe and very best fishes
Jamie Cook
CEO – Angling Trust
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In reply to Post #335
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In reply to Post #379
Their agenda has missed the whole point of the pandemic.
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In reply to Post #378
exactly Joss......and it looks as though they have achieved their objective with Facebook full of people saying, "well done AT, I am signing up now".....
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In reply to Post #377
and what the dam difference between night and Day with regards to infection rates
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"no overnight fishing whatsoever" so presumably a limited period ties in with that, few hours along the river for example....and locally within the district where you live.
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In reply to Post #374
But for a limited period... What ever that means?
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No night fishing at all tho unfortunately so I won’t be going for a day session
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Everyone can go fishing now although not for the night.......get that car loaded peeps and off to the frozen lakes you go......
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In reply to Post #372
its wrong...very wrong, they are self appointed and represent no one really
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In reply to Post #369
Agree Joss, I am finding the AT's stance a bit cringe-worthy at the moment..
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Statement from the Angling times
The team at the @AnglingTrust are about to release a full statement with guidance for fishing safely and sensibly. Our thanks go out to all those who have worked on angling’s behalf to get us back on the banks.
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In reply to Post #368
yeah agreed
no mention in there of the absolute need for people to go fishing of course....
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In reply to Post #362
why the hell the AT cant just have discussions with government behind closed doors is beyond me without spouting it all over social media
It appears to me that they are trying their hardest to recruit support and membership and forgetting the main covid issues.
i cant say im overly impressed at all with their action at the moment.
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In reply to Post #366
Well that's cheered me up, sad, shocking but true unfortunately 
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In reply to Post #344
Agreed on that point!
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Well , this is how we got to where we are , the whole sorry episode !
stink .
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But furlough alone is costing 14 billion a month and there’s jut shy of 33 million working age adults in the uk. That’s before the loss from business tax and tourism.
It’d take an eternity to see a return.
Sorry but that’s nonsense
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In reply to Post #331
So that next year they’ll increase EVERYONES taxes to cover their losses.
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In reply to Post #362
https://www.facebook.com/126878947381288/posts/3528938190508663/
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Breaking news.... All might not be lost.. the Angling trust have asked the goverment to reconsider there stance on Angling over the latest lockdown...
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In reply to Post #359
Brilliant mate, happy times and memories 
Took my daughter on a few sessions, never stuck with it sadly, to be fair, who cares, least I tried. Must be nice if you can get your kids to go with you though, best company in the world
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In reply to Post #357
My daughter and youngest step son love it,took them loads in the summer.Got a lovely picture of them together holding a carp each they caught
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In reply to Post #353
Trent has some places with wonderful river Carp and clonking barbel all near a line of boats 
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In reply to Post #356
Sounds like you have a few budding future anglers there Braders
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In reply to Post #355
Yep I'm definitely the biggest kid she looks after
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In reply to Post #350
I knew there must be a reason why she would put up with you Braders 
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In reply to Post #353
Not a bad idea
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In reply to Post #352
Think I may just retire to a canal boat so no fishing restrictions, just need to find the best location to live on one.
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In reply to Post #351
I go occasionally,when I'm allowed by Mr Balls it up Boris
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In reply to Post #348
I agree work is more important but so is my mental health sorry but I was convinced you were only ever a forum carper on the advice of your shrink.
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In reply to Post #349
My wife has our 3 at home and she is a self employed childminder,she loves kids so I need to escape somehow
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In reply to Post #348
Totally agree if done sensibly then yes. You like me get to go to work see people etc. My mrs is stuck at home with 4 kids and soon be pulling her hair out, so if I was to say I need to go fishing for my mental health you might find me divorced on plenty of fish 🤣
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In reply to Post #347
I agree work is more important but so is my mental health.I have stuck to every guideline going and will continue to do so to keep myself and family safe.I just think fishing could be allowed still
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In reply to Post #345
I would call work more important than fishing tbh well depends who you are
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In reply to Post #343
Still little or no change in habits for some. Apparently a town near me was just as busy as normal according to a local shop keeper (via email).
Some can’t seem to work out how the virus keeps spreading and people keep dying, yet still there’s pressure to go fishing, mix as normal etc.
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In reply to Post #344
It should be allowed for people's mental health,I can go into work everyday with 300+ people but I can't go sit by a lake in fresh air on my own.1000 deaths today,yeah ok I believe they were all covid.Lets keep covid though as its cured all other illnesses as nobody is dying of anything else these days
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In reply to Post #340
It’s all very well saying fishing and golf etc should be aloud but let’s be honest half the numpties would drive half way round the country to get on a lake. So In the current situation, no it probably shouldn’t be aloud
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1000 people died TODAY yet still some are saying its not real  go figure ?
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In reply to Post #340
Could be the reason we can't go fishing 
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In reply to Post #339
There was one that didn't have his nose in the trough , the one who suffered the smears and the lies , someone may be daft enough to recite some after this post !
Wear a mask , do your fu**ing bit !
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In reply to Post #336
 to most of the comments posted, get real people!! As a friend of mine said a while back this thread is a complete waste of time and should be locked, political threads are not really relevant to a carp forum. Should we still be fishing, yes and playing golf, yes, going to supermarkets, beaches, parks, walking or running along streets are all far more dangerous.
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In reply to Post #337
The current government are **** - but so are too many of the idiots who elected them
Sadly I can't think of any party worthy of voting for. All pigs at the troth, just wearing a different mask.
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Am just watching yet another film from an ICU, this time in Lodon. Time to say it. The naysayers are beyond the pale and the lies, paranoia, fake news, quack science and callous self justification and smug remarks mark them for the mindless idiots that they are. Do not give them anymore responses. Let them scream in the dark. Sorry, but for me, no more.
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dear god some people are bloody clueless
the numbers who have contracted covid / been hospitalised / lost their life are all within the context of lockdowns, restrictions, distancing, school and work closures etc. I'm no fan of Boris and his cabinet of idiots, but if none of these measures had been put in place then the figures would be so much higher. and if more people had engaged with the guidance properly instead of thinking they know better because they read something about masks on facebook or they were just bothered about catching a sodding fish, then the figures would likely be lower.
the 'flu kills more' bull**** brigade conveniently forget that simple point. of course.
noj - don't bother asking logical questions. you're not dealing with logical ideas here mate. The current government are **** - but so are too many of the idiots who elected them
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In reply to Post #335
If a system becomes corrupted , always follow the money , who's benefitting and how have they done it , large corporate lobby groups have corrupted our capitalist system for obvious reasons , like avoid paying tax , who can honestly tell me that any of Boris's front bench are not attached to dirty money , our press and media are not fit for purpose this is when alternative news sources fill the vacuum ,the outcome is chaos , undeniable . We are in a bad place !
2008 we were £700 billion in debt and suffered 12 years of austerity
2020 at the end of this we will be £3 trillion in debt , last night they said it's "not a problem "
As Tinhead likes me saying , they have had our pant's down !
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In reply to Post #331
I have no idea if there is some double secret agenda. All I can do is best guess as to the reasons why things have panned out the way they have and apply logic.
What I will say is that looking at the numbers death wise, all of this does seem like some massive over reaction, coupled that with the fact that if anyone says anything to the contrary within the media sphere, they either get called a loon (conspiracy nut) shut down or de-platformed, not that there's anything out of the ordinary there if you bother to even take a glancing look at the lopsided/unquestioning media with the never ending wars that we've all been accustomed to for instance as an example.
Something else to muddy the waters: I've read here and there that the idea of climate lockdowns are being punted around the world economic forum. Something worth investigating for yourselves if you can find the time.
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In reply to Post #330
It certainly seems that way, ill be alright though cos im not 60 till april 😂😂
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In reply to Post #331
Exactly it puts these conspiracy theories down the toilet. And what about all those with long COVID (they say 1 in 5 is getting) , I’ve a relation who 2 months on is still struggling and has been diagnosed with long COVID and can’t walk 100 yards without getting short of breath, he has a family to provide for.
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In reply to Post #331
Great question
I almost asked that myself a couple of days ago but wanted to stay out of this as much as possible
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A genuine question for those who say we are being led up the garden path. Why would governments want to hand out billions of quid for people to stay home and lose millions in tax revenue by closing businesses
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In reply to Post #326
Not to a lot of carpers.
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In reply to Post #322
AMEM to that mate!
end of day, thats all that matters, staying safe and ensure others we love are safe also.
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In reply to Post #323
A Covid just flew over my house
All out of a very conservative 70million population.
I'm literally shaking.
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In reply to Post #323
It's not just the amount of people who die it's the amount of people who get so ill they need a hospital bed and the staff to look after them.
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In reply to Post #323
How many people over 60 have died from covid? Or dont they matter?
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In reply to Post #323
Thank you for your subtle and informative post.
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If there is any doubt about what the mainstream media are feeding us try this.
Type into google any 3 digit number and beside it write new cases.
FACT. 42 people under the age of 40 have died from COVID.
FACT. 388 people under the age of 60 have died from COVID.
The new so called variant is what we call influenza we contract
Every year.
We are being controlled and conned big time.
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In reply to Post #321
stay safe
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In reply to Post #70
@ Braders and Mal
Didn't realise - apologies. Take care.
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We have an official decision. It is NO. Check the Angling Trust website. We will have to wait patiently for the new "season" to open.
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In reply to Post #318
The thing that gets me is, will almost in the same position as last year, only now we seem to have plenty of toilet roll .
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Question. Can we still go fishing now? Answer NO
no need to thank me happy to help
My mate said to me WELL I don't know if Im coming or going with this lark ? I said easy if its white your cuming yellow your going
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In reply to Post #255
Well said that man
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In reply to Post #262
I'd like to see Mr Salter and the AT put some thought into adding a month before the rivers close this year, restrictions allowing.
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In reply to Post #314
I love how folks have their say and then demand the thread closed.
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In reply to Post #313
Only if it's your 1 permitted form of exercise though.
I can't go fishing. I've got to go to work to use my laptop there for online teaching because that's the rules.
And the rest of you can't go because you don't deserve it after all this drivel and pish.
Stay home. Still simple enough eh?
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In reply to Post #312
It’s like walking round a busy day ticket
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Come on lock it up. Like ****ing 4 year olds arguing. My kids don’t bitch this much
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In reply to Post #310
Awww look it’s officer Dribble 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #309
Please "Lockdown" this thread /post
Cheers
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In reply to Post #304
My wife’s an ICU sister so what’s your point ? did I say Covid wasn’t real 🤡
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In reply to Post #306
Agreed. Some proper retards posting utter nonsense.
Mods - lock this down. We can't fish, that's it.
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In reply to Post #306
More confused nonsense from the most useless inept corrupt goverment in power for years.
.... utter piffle.
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In reply to Post #304
well said
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In reply to Post #302
Boo hoo you can't go fishing for a few weeks, pull your head out of your arse. My missus is a nurse, covid is very real and deadly to far more people than just the bog standard flu.
If you really aren't worried about it, volunteer at your local hospital, let them know you won't need any ppe when washing and feeding the patients. God knows they need all the help they can get at the minute and if you're happy to be exposed to it, it will save a fortune in PPE.
Can this **** show be locked now mods?
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In reply to Post #159
I’ve seen the absolute nonsense you post, I’m pretty sure you pick and choose your ‘peer reviewed’ papers very carefully and start your posts with ‘I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but’ .....
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In reply to Post #301
What about public flogging & selling their kids into slavery
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In reply to Post #1
So it appears we cant go fishing again
But 22 guys and 4 officials can kick a bag of air about ,hug ,kiss and shake gands with each other
What a joke
I appreciate that this virus needs to be sorted out but its never going to happen with selfish people just doing exactly what they want to do
Up the fines to a minimum of 5k each person. Im sure that they would think twice about doing it again
As for the deniers let ning a few ICU
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In reply to Post #289
Exactly, or they are shot
Now there’s an idea
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In reply to Post #298
Awww the inhumanity 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #296
This is why we are in the crap we are in
there is too many selfish humans on this planet that only care about themselves and not everyone around them
Can you not put a filter on the forum that bans the word
Covid or coronavirus
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In reply to Post #295
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In reply to Post #293
Yes it’s clear from AT let’s lock it mods some folk on this thread are behaving like children and not doing themselves any favours once they’ve had time to reflect on the nonsense they’ve posted.
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In reply to Post #291
Seriously dude, stop feeding the troll. If there's any justice he'll get to drown in his own lung secretions whilst still screaming vaccines aren't a medical miracle.
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In reply to Post #291
Must be all that inbreeding down Bristol way 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #290
Fair play to the AT for trying, can’t help but think the MPs have something better to do than discuss wether angling is allowed but hey ho.
Roll on the spring 🤞
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In reply to Post #286
British Society of Immunology
Sometimes, however, the immune system doesn’t always win this initial battle against the harmful bacteria or virus and you can become very ill or – in extreme cases – die. Vaccination is the safest and most common way to gain immunity against a bacteria or virus that your body has yet to encounter. Vaccines contain a harmless form of the bacteria or virus that causes the disease you are being immunised against. The bacteria or virus will be killed, greatly weakened, or broken down into small parts before use in the vaccine so that they can trigger an immune response without making you sick. Your immune system will still attack the harmless form of bacteria or virus from the vaccine and will produce antibodies to fight it off. The immune system then keeps a memory of the disease, so if a vaccinated person encounters the disease years later, their immune system is ready to fight it off and prevent an infection from developing.
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In reply to Post #287
Ah i shall believe mydr.com over the who, the PHE and the NHS as they're clearly all lying and if you'd read more than the first line on the page it clearly states there are other types of vacinnes which don't contain them.
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In reply to Post #267
STATEMENT FROM THE ANGLING TRUST ON THE NATIONAL LOCKDOWN RULES IN ENGLAND
Whilst the regulations have not yet been published we have been informed this evening by the Cabinet Office that the Government have taken the decision that fishing will not be permitted during this national lockdown period. Whilst this is disappointing news I would ask anglers, fisheries and clubs to respect these rules and the reason they have been put in place; to help save lives and support the NHS.
Individuals should not go fishing from midnight tonight (5th Jan) and clubs and fisheries should close their waters to anglers. We will be publishing more detailed guidance on specific areas like bailiffing and fishery maintenance once the Government regulations have been published.
Over past few weeks we have been in communication with the Government at the highest possible level. We have presented a strong case on how fishing could continue safely during the third national lockdown. We have explained that fishing benefits physical health and mental wellbeing and that it is regularly the only form of activity individuals undertake. You can read our representations to Cabinet Ministers here -
https://anglingtrust.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Angling-and-outdoor-recreation-in-COVID-lockdown-3_DCMS.pdf
My team and I have consistently presented the arguments ahead of the changing government guidelines, which have allowed fishing to remain permitted continuously since the first national lockdown was lifted in May. We have been successful when other sports have not as all anglers will know.
However, with 60,000 new infections announced today the Government have taken the decision that leaving home for recreation or leisure, including all forms of recreational fishing, should be prohibited in England during this third national lockdown period.
I thank you for your support and for being a credit to our sport. As members, you can rest assured that the Angling Trust will continue to represent our sport at the highest level and will present proposals for the resumption of angling when it is safe and sensible to do so. We will come through this period of national crisis. We will fish again, but until then, please, stay safe.
Jamie Cook - CEO Angling Trust
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In reply to Post #285
weird fckers more like but they stick to what they are told
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In reply to Post #286
Awww the irony😂
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In reply to Post #281
Don’t contain antibodies 😂😂😂😂
https://www.mydr.com.au/travel-health/vaccination-and-antibodies
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In reply to Post #283
Typical response from someone who reads too much believes what he reads but doesn't actually understand the subject,
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In reply to Post #282
PMSL
Lucky buggers
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In reply to Post #281
Well it's official.
We can't go fishing 🎣
Please lock my thread now
One day we will be back out blanking like a good un AGAIN
Keep safe peeps
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In reply to Post #281
What ever you say 🤡
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while you lot keep on arguing, people in wuhan are out on the piss cuddling each other..
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In reply to Post #273
Wrong again,
Vaccines don't have to contain antibodies,
Vaccines teach your immune system how to create antibodies that protect you from diseases.
It's much safer for your immune system to learn this through vaccination than by catching the diseases and treating them.
Once your immune system knows how to fight a disease, it can often protect you for many years.
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In reply to Post #275
. . .Tru dat! Perhaps we have a meeting of minds after all . . .
Belch out . . . 
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It’s official. No fishing from midnight tonight
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In reply to Post #270
No he didnt,
Typical conspiracist changing words, he said restrictions may have to return in the winter, amazing how one word can change everything.
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In reply to Post #276
What don’t you understand about the meaning of true sense of the word poppet 🤡
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In reply to Post #273
In the true sense of the word, there are no 'complete arse holes' on this thread, but in the generally accepted sense, there are plenty.
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In reply to Post #273
I think this thread needs to be locked now. Only so much **** you can take in a day.
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In reply to Post #255
Yes belch......
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In reply to Post #272
It isn’t a vaccine in the true sense of the word you ⛑
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In reply to Post #271
You said it isn't a vaccine.
It is
Epic fail
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In reply to Post #269
No it was on the BBC 🤡
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In reply to Post #266
Whitty has just said Covid restrictions until next winter 😂
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In reply to Post #261
Doesn't need to, did you read that on Facebook as well or watch it on youtube?
Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that cause COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our immune system recognizes that the proteins don’t belong in the body and begins making T-lymphocytes and antibodies.
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In reply to Post #264
Then I guess the statement that Chris Whitty has made must be bollox then but hey you know better than the chief medical officer 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #256
Where have they announced this? All I’ve seen from them is they are waiting for the guidance/regulations to come today and then make an announcement once they’ve gone through it but both their Facebook page and website haven’t been updated yet
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As long as the vaccine does it's job , we will be over covid by June , i promise !
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In reply to Post #256
Was that a secret message or something?
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In reply to Post #218
It does work as it reduced the infection rate and r number of the virus on each lockdown, it was never the plan for a lockdown to eradicate the virus.
It was done to help the hospitals manage the numbers, it's always been the plan until a vaccine arrives, the new variant is spreading faster so reduction of opportunity to transmit is the best defence until enough people are vaccinated.
It really isn't that tricky to comprehend and it certainly doesn't involve 5g and microchips.
I'm guessing you believe all the rubbish about empty hospital wards the magna carta crap. Just a question did you consent?
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In reply to Post #262
Most likely
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In reply to Post #259
i know. and he's also involved with the angling trust,
so must off been discussed with all involved ?
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In reply to Post #255
Also the Covid vaccine isn’t a vaccine in the true sense of the word as it contains no Covid antibodies unlike other vaccines just a load of chemicals
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In reply to Post #257
I have nothing jeeez I’ve given you ONS NHS WHO stats & I have nothing 🤡
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In reply to Post #253
Funny enough, a club martin Salter is heavily involved with
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In reply to Post #255
You’re wasting your time mate 😉
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In reply to Post #254
You have nothing
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In reply to Post #253
AT have announced fishing to cease
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In reply to Post #170
has Polio been eradicated . . . NO
has Ebola been eradicated . . .NO
has AIDS been eradicated . . .NO
has Tuberculosis been eradicated. . .NO
has Chicken Pox been eradicated . . .NO
has Hand Foot & Mouth been eradicated . . .NO
has Cholera been eradicated . . .NO
has Rabies been eradicated . . .NO
has Influenza (and all its multiple strains) been eradicated . . .NO
Will Covid 19, 20, 21 21.5 etc be eradicated . . . .? NO
The ONLY virus ever eradicated is Small Pox . . .200 years after the vaccine was first administered . . that's a long time to continue with regular lockdowns, let alone stop peeps fishing . . .(LOL)
The BEST we can hope for is global herd immunity, (hopefully supported by an 'effective' vaccine) and the sooner this occurs the sooner we can all crack on.
In the interim the question is this - what is more inhumane -
a slight spike in deaths to an already afflicted baby boomer generation (that actually have already had a better innings than any of the rest of us will probably ever do - no war / job security / standard of living) . . .?
or
the serial destruction of civil liberties, businesses, families, culture, mental health, kids education and a future laiden with further unemployment, debt and general unrest . . .?
This isn't going away - make your own mind up on what's appropriate given the circumstance . . .
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In reply to Post #252
**** me fella it’s like pulling teeth with you 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #249
reading and district angling has just announced all reading waters to be closed and locked up from 9am tomorrow
so it looks like fishing is on the lockdown list ?
so i wonder what other clubs will do now ?
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In reply to Post #250
So how do you know they have failed if you dont know the reasons why they have been set out?
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In reply to Post #248
AT have announced that fishing will not be permitted 😉
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In reply to Post #249
Nah I’m just going on the results of the last 2 or the fact that most of Europe is going into a 3rd lockdown 😉
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In reply to Post #247
Why, do you know the governments aims and objectives with this one?
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Thread title change required `why can't we go fishing may be better`
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In reply to Post #239
As this one will fail 😉
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In reply to Post #239
Some sense at last 👏
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In reply to Post #239
Also people are still dying in the countries with low covid rates. The average annual death rate in the uk is about 1400 people on a good day without covid I think
I keep an open mind about it, but play the game to help out
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In reply to Post #242
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In reply to Post #238
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19
If you get stuck on some of the bigger words let me know.
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In reply to Post #240
Exactly 😂
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In reply to Post #227
WHO? The organisation that denied the existence of covid 19 and then tried to cover it up.
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Our lockdown failed because it was lockdown in name only. Melbourne locked down for 3 months, $5k fine straight away for breaking it and police with the ability and man power to enforce measures.
Also the virus ran through and survived in our health and elderly care systems.
If motion sensing drones with ar15s on board patrolled the uk and killed anybody outside during, say, a 28 day lockdown to account for subsequent household transmissions; it would be biologically nigh on impossible that a virus could survive.
The problem is the health service and the ****s
Everyone always quick to point a finger at those at the top while praising the likes of Japan and New Zealand clearly haven’t been there or have but missed the fact they have something we don’t... not just vast areas of uninhibited land. Community
We are a nation of ****s who we hate eachother
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In reply to Post #234
Awww what’s up got nothing to prove your argument!! 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #232
You rest your case so you’re saying ONS NHS WHO stars are dodgey surely that mitigates your entire argument 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #233
That was the joke Trigger.
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In reply to Post #228
Omg your a complete waste of my thumbs fella, tell you what carry on do what ever you like but when you or someone you loves needs an icu bed because of not following guidelines, I hope you don't get one
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In reply to Post #231
Unfortunately we can’t because of lockdown 😂😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #230
I rest my case
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You lot all need to get out more.
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In reply to Post #229
Yeah they really work don’t they 😂😂😂 dodgey Twitter accounts you mean ONS NHS WHO 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #227
Or they do work and that's the reason why we are having another one, clearly you have zero information on this subject, probably apart from some dodgy twitter accounts, and you have come up with nothing to suggest they dont work. Enough said
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In reply to Post #226
So what you’re suggesting is that we stay in permanent lockdown 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #225
So the fact we’re going into a 3rd doesn’t suggest to you that they don’t work !! The WHO have stated they don’t work but hey what would they know 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #218
It's a proven fact you degenerate, that each lock down has temporarily slowed the spread, lowered r rates and reduced pressure on the NHS its only when we've been out of lock downs that it all starts increasing again, because people don't follow the conditions properly. Conversely all you have to offer is 😂😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #221
As I said, you seem to be privy to government information as to how why the lockdowns were introduced, please enlighten us all as to why they didn't work? I'm sure you'll have that information somewhere up your sleeve
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In reply to Post #223
Nah you’ve got nothing you clown 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #222
Your points are so ridiculous I don’t need to prove you’re an idiot - you’re doing a pretty good job by yourself.
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In reply to Post #219
Awww still nothing to disprove anything ive said Phil !! Now be a good little boy & roll up your sleeve 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #220
Swerving what question 😂
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In reply to Post #218
Still swerving the question I see
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In reply to Post #217
Don’t worry, once he’s got his microchip the 5G will finish him off.
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In reply to Post #217
Awww another 🤡 that can’t see his argument is utter crap !! Like I said why are we going into a3rd lockdown if the infection rate has been lowered by the last 2 lockdowns
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In reply to Post #214
I expect he's giving up as you have no argument you just talk utter💩
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In reply to Post #212
You said lockdowns reduce the infection rate they clearly don’t or we wouldn’t be going into a 3rd 🤡
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In reply to Post #214
Yes that’s why.
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In reply to Post #213
You give up because your argument isn’t working 🤡
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In reply to Post #210
I give up. You really are a bit special.
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In reply to Post #207
Your a complete  mate read what I've written I've never said it will eradicate it and neither has the government.
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In reply to Post #209
Still didn't answer my question?
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In reply to Post #208
But they haven’t stopped the increase of the virus or is someone telling lies 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #206
So if it reduces the spread why are we going into a 3rd 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #203
You seem to think that the lockdowns have been intended to beat the virus. Not sure where you’ve got that idea from.
The lockdown is intended to slow the spread of the virus so we don’t overwhelm the NHS. By slowing the spread this buys time for the vaccination program to get to the levels needed for the restrictions to start being relaxed.
It really isnt that hard to understand surely?
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In reply to Post #205
So go on then what do you think will happen when we come out of this one ? The virus will still be in the general population or do you think it’s going to miraculously disappear this time unlike the past 2 times 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #203
Every lock down we've had has reduced the spread, are you really that dumb that you don't understand that
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In reply to Post #200
That's why we're back in lock down to try stop the rise, I'm starting to think your just trolling as you just argue everything but don't offer anything, if you know better ways enlighten us.... Oh no you don't do you?
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In reply to Post #203
I'm assuming you're privy to what goes on in government meetings, and know the aims, and objectives of each of the lockdowns?
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In reply to Post #202
C’mon are you really that dumb no# 3 😂😂
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In reply to Post #200
Yes, so what makes you think they dont work?
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In reply to Post #199
What makes me think they aren’t working doesn’t the no#3 give you the slightest clue 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #196
But hospital admissions are going up aren’t they 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #195
What makes you think they arent working?
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In reply to Post #191
Conversely, there are rake loads of smart, independently minded doctors/specialists saying the opposite to what's being spoonfed to the masses, strangely though, non of those highly esteemed big brains ever get put on the telly to give their opinions, weird that, don't you thinks?
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In reply to Post #195
It's not working because people like you don't want to follow the guidelines, and all the plebs that still meet up with friends and family because the don't want to be controlled by the government.
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In reply to Post #193
If it reduces cases in hospital admission then yes, but enlighten us please we are all waiting for your amazing solution that no medical expert has come up with
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In reply to Post #192
Did I say I knew how to solve it ? Anyway you seem to have put your faith in lockdowns & the vaccine good luck with that as it seems to be working spiffingly so far 😂😂😂
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I honestly didn’t know there was so many well Informed scientists on the forum. I thought your all over weight balding blokes picking your nose and bum. I would give my 2 pennies worth but think there’s enough spouting ******** already.
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In reply to Post #191
So when we’re in the 4th 5th lockdown will they still be following the correct path 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #185
I'm suggesting people follow the guidelines, and that those that don't only have themselves to blame if they contract covid and spread it to their loved ones. The purpose of the lock down is to reduce pressure on the NHS and slow the spread, this it achieved. But seeing as your such an expert how about you tell everyone how you'd solve the pandemic cos we're all ears.
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In reply to Post #184
According to some they dont work, apart from nearly all the worlds governments have taken this approach by listening to some very experienced, clever people, but matey here on carp forum reckons they are wrong
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In reply to Post #188
Ive had a few bites today to be fair.
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In reply to Post #187
Spanky is right, always right......
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In reply to Post #1
So can we fish? lol
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In reply to Post #186
Do you live in isolation then
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In reply to Post #181
As your profile pic suggests you live on the moon don't you !
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In reply to Post #183
So the 1st one worked but because it was relaxed !! Oh dear so what you’re suggesting is permanent lockdown 😂😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #180
How to stop a virus , come on everyone , stop introducing the virus to new victims , ffs , no wonder we are in this shi*
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In reply to Post #168
The first lock down did as a whole work its only because they relaxed the rules that things went t#ts up, and largely the public are to blame, for eg my wife's entire family all currently have covid just because her aunty didn't follow guidelines and visited her parents when she had a cough and didn't tell anyone luckily my house hold did follow the guidelines and didn't come into contact with any of them over Christmas or we'd probably have it aswell. The fault of their infection lies solely with my wife's aunty no one else's.
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In reply to Post #180
Didn’t think you could you just keep in listening to what the MSM feed you 😂 Lockdowns don’t work or is the 3rd for just fun or are you waiting on the vaccine to save you 😂
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In reply to Post #179
They knew this was coming yet shut down all the nightingale hospitals which cost millions to construct yet only had about 40 cases admitted
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In reply to Post #177
Do I really need to prove you're wrong when you're literally saying 'lockdowns don't work' ffs 
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If the NHS get over run at this time of year it will be a shi*storm ,something that the government will not recover from politically , same goes for if the nhs runs out of oxygen again
Their is a huge lack of trust in our media and politicians for obvious reasons , they lie so much !
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In reply to Post #176
>1 post from this I.D
Say hi to everyone at 77th Brigade for me 👍
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In reply to Post #172
C’mon then Phil still waiting for you to disprove anything I’ve said 🤡
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In reply to Post #172
I love my fishing as much as the next person, but this thing is I feel is bigger than a debate can we or can’t we go fishing. The rationale here is about reducing the potential need to use a emergency services and by limiting the amount of us moving around assist in reduced contact of spread ( less people in hospitals), the potential of anybody being involved in a situation where you need a emergency service ( accident while travelling etc), limited people to those that are needed to be at work etc, does reduced the amount of us moving around...less people equals less risk.
No matter how you justify it fishing is not essential and even though you as a individual are on your own, away from others the fact that you are there does increase the risk, the fact that you travelled there increases the risk, so for me the only thing that we should be doing is being responsible for our own actions and in those see the need that to go fishing is not essential, buckle down and just stay at home as much as you possibly can unless it’s essential that you can’t.
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In reply to Post #172
Think you've nailed him with that one
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In reply to Post #172
Didn’t think so poppet 🤡
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In reply to Post #171
ok David Icke.
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In reply to Post #169
Awww obviously you’re iq is smaller than your shoe size poppet !! Just keep on doing as you’re told & im sure everything will be just fine !! all of what I’ve said is correct of course you’ll be able to prove otherwise if it isn’t 🤡
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In reply to Post #159
Well I'm now convinced. Lets have a go at this then.....
The earths flat
The queens a lizard
Covid is about population control
A Bream at 2am is always welcome
Jim Shelley has never pulled a stroke
I feel enlightened!
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In reply to Post #165
You certainly sound like a conspiracy theorist to me mate……….
‘This will be the 3rd lockdown they don’t work this is a proven fact !! ‘
‘The vaccine does prevent you contracting the virus or from transmitting it the same a the flu vaccine!! ‘
‘The virus has a 99.7% survival rate deaths in under 60’s since jan 20 388 Official ONS figures !!’
‘That’s why the rollout hasn’t been given to frontline workers doctors nurses as so many of them have refused the vaccine !!’
‘How you going to do that physically lock people inside their homes like they did in China !!
Clever how it’s always the public’s fault that the virus is allegedly rampant!! Lockdowns don’t work WHO’
‘Keep repeating the same experiment expecting a different result!! Lockdowns have been proven not to work as for masks & social distancing they don’t seem to be having any real affect if the alleged infection rates are to be believed !!’
‘The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting or transmitting the virus it merely lessens the symptoms 😉’
‘Uk under 45 mortality rate 0.01% world rate under 70’s 0.05% The flu has a higher mortality rate !!’
‘Lockdowns don’t cure the virus they just postpone it as we are seeing
!! But seeing as the mortality rate is only 0.05% for anyone under the age of 70 less than seasonal flu & the average age for those who are dying is 82 with an average 2.6 underlying illnesses seems a little drastic to tank the world economy for a few coffindodgers or perhaps that’s been the plan all along 🤔’
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In reply to Post #167
How you going to do that physically lock people inside their homes like they did in China !!
Clever how it’s always the public’s fault that the virus is allegedly rampant!! Lockdowns don’t work WHO
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In reply to Post #165
To be fair it would probably have worked better if everyone followed it
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>non NPC // but why stop fishing?
>NPC // 404/404/404!?!?!?!?!?
>NPC // crash
>NPC // reboot
>NPC // stay home, save lives, protect the NHS
>non NPC // kys
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In reply to Post #161
Awww can’t think for yourself!! Anyone that questions your beliefs is a conspiracy theorist!! Tell me how’s that mask social distancing lockdown thing working out for you 🤡
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In reply to Post #163
Yes indeed
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In reply to Post #158
someone talking sense
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Firstly I don't mind not fishing and I'll respect and follow all guidelines but what annoys me is we'll still get cyclists going for all day rides, walkers driving miles to parks just to walk and parents driving kids to play grounds all under the name of exercise but I can't drive 1. 5 miles to my water which is on private property and I'm the only person currently allowed to fish and partake in an activity that is the only thing keeping me sane from all this crap, and me and the Mrs are both key workers who have worked all through this apart from when she caught covid through her work as a carer.
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In reply to Post #143
oh - a sheep! how original.
Not everything is a conspiracy you know.
I expect back in March you were blaming 5G and Bill Gates.
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The NPC's on here are just hysterical 😂
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In reply to Post #158
Cor, you narf cast a wide net there homeboy.
You know, not everyone watches YouTube, has a Facebook/Instagram *insert normie cobblers here* account. Obviously it hasn't occurred to you that there are people out there that read peer reviewed papers, are able to analyse and have the ability to research information for themselves.
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In reply to Post #135
Except the conspiracy stuff ISN’T free thinking at all. It’s not people’s own ideas. It’s all picked up off Facebook and YouTube (usually from monetised channels, plenty of money in conspiracy theories), which they sometimes call ‘research’ .
These conspiracy people are making money from it, and the mugs who don’t believe science but believe everything they’re told by these charlatans are enabling it. It’s ironic they call others ‘sheep’, when in fact they’re the ones being brainwashed  
Nobody should be going fishing right now. It isn’t hard to understand and the rules aren’t vague. People are just looking for a loophole so they can carry on doing what they want. This is why we’re still in this ****show a year later (plus Boris is an absolute melt).
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In reply to Post #152
Alright comrade, settle down.
Sheesh, Communists eh, what are they like?
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Slightly back on topic I have caught enough fish or carp if you like that I can hold off until it is again permissible to do so especially this time of year, hopefully by the time March rolls around I will then be able to get back to it, stay safe everyone and busy doing nothing.
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In reply to Post #154
so can we go fishing
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In reply to Post #148
ffs......all I am saying is we should just stay at home for the next 10 weeks as we have been asked....watch colour TV, go to Waitrose, get your furlough money, read a book, have jog round the block....it cant be that difficult and that way we will save lives and protect our NHS......
you can stone Boris when we are out of this mess....
stay safe everyone
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In reply to Post #151
Not a clue mate, not bothered to look, probably the same, no one taking a bloody notice..or not understanding whats asked of them
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In reply to Post #145
Our capitalist system has been corrupted by the interests of big business via very powerful lobby groups !
Boris is the perfect example of a populist leader , picked to fool the masses into voting against their interests !
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In reply to Post #146
So why are Germany back in Lockdown 🤔
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In reply to Post #148
I was merely pointing out how easily people are lead !! Wasn’t it Goebbels who said if you tell a lie for long enough it becomes the truth !
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In reply to Post #143
Our press and media are not fit for purpose , as the country gets more corrupt our press and media have to be degraded to hide the fact ! this is when the idiots step in to fill the vacuum that is left , and the real journalists are victimized , like Pilger , Craig Murray and Julian Assange etc
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In reply to Post #138
Hitler and his regime in that era,quite correct,however to compare it to a virus,im not sure is a very good comparison,..
However ,just so to mention,did you know many German civilians were forced marched past concentration camps to show them the truth of what the third Reich had done,so many did not believe the atrocities, despite the stench of dead people,hidden or forced by propaganda by Goebbels who was a master at telling stories,and fearmongering of a race...
The truth and questioning,works both ways..
..think and question do not blindly accept the narrative..
I'm outta here...👍
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In reply to Post #142
I'm more than capable of thinking and my thought process has led me to believe the Chief Medical Officer, an epidemiologist, is worth listening to. I don't go to my GP and then come out questioning everything he's just said. He reckons that mole is worth checking so hes referred to a consultant. Do I then get back in my car, put it on facebook and get all the idiots telling me its just control and that mole is nothing to worry about? No, I listen to the advice of a professional who has spent years of their life perfecting their craft.
I'm sorry to hear that about the lad but mental illness is a complicated beast. Covid may have been a catalyst but does that mean we just allow all vulnerable people to die? Mental illness isn't contagious, this virus is. Its staggering how people still don't factor this in.
As has been said before, this thread and this pandemic, has actually shown me how mad some of the people in this country are.
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In reply to Post #143
nowt wrong with questioning.
BUT if everyone had followed advice to the Tee in first place and it didnt work, then react.
youve only got to look how people carried on in march 2020 lockdown.
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In reply to Post #142
What's the agenda of the mainstream media?
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In reply to Post #142
What we are witnessing is a government trying to buy it's way out of a pandemic because it can't do it politically , it is riddled with corruption and they are completely out of their depth , they would be if they were in a puddle !
A debt that we will be burdened with for decades , while they and their mates swan off with the £billions that they have milked us for recently !
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In reply to Post #139
And just how many sheep there are that are willing to follow the Government blindly without questioning them !! Makes you realise how the Nazi’s achieved what they did 😂
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In reply to Post #136
Before I try to answer you..I went to a funeral yesterday,in my village over 200 people lined the streets all socially distanced, to pay their respects to a young man aged 23 yrs old I knew him since birth,my sons mate..
He killed himself,because of covid,he lost his job,his girlfriend and self esteem,the government wont put money into young peoples mental health here,and the doctor refused to see him...he fished the ponds oppo me ,and we had many a good chat..
If we are being told the truth about the daily death rate,then it is the truth,it is obvious ,isn't it..however,I,like many others in this country,who can think and question figures,and gobbledogook,and half speak and question,and can see past the brainwashing of the MSN news agenda,then it is all very questionable why the country is being disabled,and ruined over a virus that mimics the symptoms of flu that has a 2% death rate at best ..
I hope that you do start to think and question the mantra put out,because it could help you to understand ,governments,are not your best mate,or buddy they exist for one reason and that reason is to control you,you,like me are being controlled,you have lost your freedoms...its not about fishing,I have my own land plus lake....so no,its about thinking past what that tv is telling you.
Good luck...
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In reply to Post #140
Lockdown research i reckon...all experts in so many fields.
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In reply to Post #126
Who knew we were blessed with so many armchair virologists in this forum?
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In reply to Post #138
Threads like this (and similar posts on FB) crack me up. One thing this virus situation has highlighted is just how stupid and selfish a worryingly large percentage of the population really are!
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In reply to Post #135
Well all I can say is that I am very thankful that in 1939 when we the government told us to go to war that everyone didnt spend months questioning and debating it because I very much doubt we would have had the same freedoms over the last 75 years than we would have done under Hitler.....
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In reply to Post #135
Exactly it’s banded about like the race card to shut down any form of debate !! As for people thinking that things will return to being the same post Covid 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #135
But, and bear with me here as its quite a stretch for people like you, what if you ARE actually being told the truth? Then what?
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In reply to Post #121
I actually dislike the term conspiracy, as it denigrates free thinking and encourages cancelling others view points..
It is very healthy to question,...I have no answer,I have no idea how to answer your question,however,what I can tell you is,your freedoms have been eroded,it is questionable at best whether they will be reinstated, your going to have a rushed in,untried properly,untested properly ,despite what the government tell you,liquid foreign matter put into...you,once it goes in,it ain't coming out...I would question that..
Question everything this government does,or tells you...I truly believe an individual would have to be foolish to think this or any power has your best interests at heart..
Remember,history exists to teach about today..and even then history is questionable..this is why free thinking,and questioning is key,even if you have no power,because none of us have much powers at the moment do we..
Free speech and the way this government has treated it's people is questionable at best..
Why is that..?
Good luck...👍
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In reply to Post #126
. . .the vaccine 'may' (like the flu jab) be only 40% effective - in reality its a political tool, not one that really saves lives . .
I read somewhere recently stating that some of the more recent Covid vaccine tests had included a meningitis vaccine as a placebo / control - 7/8 people died from this alone, officially unreported. . .any sensible free thinking person should question everything!
Other than banning people putting sharp steel in fishes mouths for a few weeks - WTF is this all about . . .?
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In reply to Post #128
And they are the same people now whinging that it's dragging on blah blah blah. If people did what they were supposed to we'd be in a damned sight better position
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In reply to Post #127
All this whining because we can’t go fishing for a few weeks - assuming we’re still on topic ?
We can all put our opinions / theories etc toward though we and our governments (too much politics imho) just don’t know what to do.
I’ll just keep the faith in science they are the only folk educated to get us out of this mess albeit it is coming at a significant cost to all (financially, mentally etc)
Time to move on..
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In reply to Post #129
mate, as previously stated....i could go a full year without seeing a sole where i live.
I wear a mask in the local village shop and when filling up with fuel at the local village garage....and thats all i have to do as im a miserable sod and happy not seeing anyone
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In reply to Post #124
Exactly, it's just odd that people genuinely think they know better, when all they know is what twitter tells them
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In reply to Post #128
You can’t base everyone else’s actions on that of your own 😉
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In reply to Post #126
apart from those whom have been shielding, and alot of elderly, i put my bottom dollar on it EVERYONE has broken the rules
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In reply to Post #122
In countries where its been done properly, very
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In reply to Post #123
The majority of the population have abided by the rules only a small majority haven’t!! This will be the 3rd lockdown they don’t work this is a proven fact !! The vaccine does prevent you contracting the virus or from transmitting it the same a the flu vaccine!! The virus has a 99.7% survival rate deaths in under 60’s since
jan 20 388 Official ONS figures !! Yet we are tanking the economy for this ?
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In reply to Post #122
should have added...we've only had one lockdown and the R rate definitely dropped alot, the most recent one, was just a tier system that certainly did not work simply because it was largely ignored...
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In reply to Post #117
Well I got that from a senior nurse who has been wearing surgical masks whilst working on a covid ward since this began without her contracting it so I'll take her word over yours chap.
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In reply to Post #122
more to the point (maybe) how many of the public actually took advice? most i bet ignored alot of things from wearing masks to not meeting people, parties, blah blah blah
funny how china etc have come out the other side alot better than we have due to them doing as they are told?
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In reply to Post #118
Remind me again how Successful wearing masks social distancing & lockdowns have been 😂
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In reply to Post #120
Can't understand what people on here think the conspiracy is.......why would a government spend upwards of 4billion paying for people to stay at home on 80% pay, give companies millions to stay afloat....have all the issues of mental health etc etc just same as every other country in the world who have now collectively spent 9trillion on this.............I'm sure there would be a cheaper way to surpress the masses......
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In reply to Post #90
Dp...
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In reply to Post #90
I'm with you too,there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning the narrative..
Indeed many,many people are beginning to think this is less and less about a virus,and more and more about control of peoples futures,their mental health,and finances..
It is very well documented that several people have sufferd severe side effects from the first jab of the vaccine,indeed...the military contacts I have in this country and America are very reluctant to have this put into their bodies..
There is something very very amiss about this issue..I personally as a free thinking person does not trust one single thing that comes from the government..especially the media,which is the government mouthpiece.
So three days or so ago,I phoned my local main hospital,I managed to get through to the admin on the desk on ICU...i asked this question,how many covid patients on ventilation, answer..none...how many covid suffering in the hospital,answer none..
How many ICU staff...in attendance answer.none,they had gone home ..now I put my phone on speaker,so my wife,son and daughter heard the conversation..
People,can extract the urine,what ever they want,all they have to do is stop watching the mainstream media,and look around and question the situation..
Because this cycle is potentially going on repeating itself,regardless of how many get vaxxed
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In reply to Post #117
As you can tell by this thread, there are too many ignorant people on this planet, asking them to wear a mask will fall on deaf ears
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In reply to Post #114
Not quite ip
a surgical mask will help someone with a virus from spreading it but offer very little protection , an n 95 will offer around 95 % protection , and considering you need to ingest quite large viral load to get infected these will offer far more protection
The ffp 3 masks are what our frontline workers wear , so offer a higher level of protection .
So , please everyone , help out , wear a mask !
link.
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In reply to Post #85
well they did work, didn't they. It wasn't done to eradicate the virus it was done to suppress it to support the NHS which it has done every time as the number of infections and people in ICU dropped.
You say social distancing doesn't work, are you saying that if i sneezed from 50cm away or 5m away it would be the same?
Increased infection rates, new more transmissible variant and guess what, lack of social distancing.
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In reply to Post #72
It's ridiculous, my other halfs a teacher, they've found out yesterday that a pupil had been sent in by her mum having just tested positive for Covid, also had an instance where a kid was sweating and coughing, rang parent up who said he was making it up and just wanted a day off school.
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In reply to Post #87
N95 is the American classification, ffp2 or ffp3 is what they are called over here. The surgical masks are as effective as them for control of things like viruses, so basically any bought face mask is suitable, as is a cloth covering.
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In reply to Post #111
Unfortunately fishing is cancelled unless you've got your own water.
NHS has been at 'bursting point' for the last 10 years, staff leaving because of poor pay etc etc
Also worth remembering any management team running an Intensive care unit (ICU) at less than 90% capacity in the winter months / 80% summer months would be sacked.
Business is business and it doesn't matter at what level, or area we discuss.
BTW not doubting any virus but the measures being installed and the government guidelines for the past 12 months have been more worrying than the actual virus.
Hunger kills 9 million people every year who knew that we could just produce food and save them!
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In reply to Post #103
Oh my god guise, the great like universe mind Richard Osman has spoken...
Why aren't you bowing down??? 🤬
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In reply to Post #110
.......Cant argue with that.........
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In reply to Post #109
i only wear one in the same situation mate...mind you, i live in middle of no where and see no one...Perfick in my book
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In reply to Post #107
Correct and i do Joss out of respect......
But i wear one minimally and none at all if i can get away with it........
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. . .you've got to question why they built the nightingales at vast cost to the tax payer in the first place? Understanding existing NHS staffing levels must surely be (and must have been at the time) readily accessible information . . . . . .mmmm
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In reply to Post #104
but the common cold hasnt ever caused a pandemic?
Im not saying masks are the key! im not a micro biologist, im saying when your at the post office and an elderly person is in front of you and they are worried out of their skin, putting a mask on to respect their thoughts isnt such an ordeal is it?
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Back on topic...
Latest update from AT
Lockdown 3
UPDATE – January 5, 2021
We are currently studying the detail of the new Covid-19 national lockdown restrictions announced by the Prime Minister on Monday evening and will be analysing the regulations once they are published. We will then update our advice on this website as soon as possible.
Message posted this morning on the club's website that controls the water I am fishing as I type this...
ALL CLUB WATERS ARE CURRENTLY OPEN
Think I'll put the kettle on now
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problem is 2-fold at the moment. Infection rates and a struggling NHS.
Infection rates are up simply because they are testing more people, back in April they were testing about 25,000 per day, now they are testing between 250,000 and 500,000 per do, ergo, more tests more positive results. The vast majority of those will be asymptomatic and never get anywhere requiring hospital treatment.
The NHS is struggling big time but not because of the amount of beds taken up with Covid patients or ITU ventilator shortages but simply because there is not enough staff. Leading ITU surgeon said yesterday it is 1 nurse to 3 beds instead of the 1 to 1 it should be.
Another thing we constantly hear is, "well if it's that bad why aren't they using the Nightingales"......they aren't using the Nightingales simply because there isn't enough qualified staff to run them....
I also know from the horses mouth that retired Doctors & Nurses volunteering are being prevented from doing so because of red tape and that red tape is hour after hour after hour of mandatory training they have to complete beforehand on things such as diversity, equality etc......the mind boggles...
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In reply to Post #102
At what cost Joss..........Like i say wearing a mask is stopping people catching the common cold etc which surely cant be a good thing?
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Richard Osman on Twitter:
‘Refusing to believe anything you’re told doesn’t make you cleverer than the rest of us. Recognising the times when you are actually being told the truth is a crucial skill’
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In reply to Post #89
but even if you dont believe masks work (and im not arguing either way) wearing one as part of social responsibility surely is a good thing?
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In reply to Post #98
That’s why the rollout hasn’t been given to frontline workers doctors nurses as so many of them have refused the vaccine !!
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In reply to Post #89
Grasses Wayne up biggly...
Black hawk helicopters inbound, how'd you like that mother f..ker?
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. . .this is not about over-reacting - its about responding appropriately to a situation based on the facts at hand and in a balanced way. If you believe this is being done appropriately, good for you . . .
I'm not saying 'I know better' but I can make my own mind up based on the information at hand . . .I'm not bothered about not fishing for a couple of months and would gladly do this BY CHOICE if I genuinely believed this and other measures imposed would make a difference . . .
Perspective - that's all I'm saying. . . .
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Anecdotal I know: I know of a highly skilled doctor that has refused to take the vaccine.
Also, from what I understand, the NHS isn't at bursting point as were lead to believe. Apparently the NHS over the entire system is at the same capacity right now as it was this time last year.
Another thing that I gather, the field hospitals that were set-up to deal with the imminent threat of overwhelming the NHS last year have all been packed down and are not operational which makes the health ministers recent claim that these field hospitals are ready to accept patients is a lie.
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In reply to Post #94
doesnt that work both ways with both virus and population
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In reply to Post #94
Im sorry but my sisters mate said you can.......
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In reply to Post #94
Jesus, we have enough crap spouted around on Facebook, now its crossing over onto a fishing forum zzzzzzzzz
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In reply to Post #92
You can’t control a virus or we wouldn’t be entering another lockdown 😉
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In reply to Post #90
Another free thinker 👏
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In reply to Post #86
its madness....no one gives a dam nor cares about anything, add to that they think they are clever flouting certain advice!
if you think how the countrys population pulled together during the war, for one common cause, yet today....they would rather moan like idiots.
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In reply to Post #81
Agreed. they're ****s...
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In reply to Post #82
i'm with you belch - i don't understand why if anybody questions what is going on they are now labelled "conspiracy theorists" as ridiculed.
Its pretty clear a huge sociological shift is being ushered in through the back door with all of this - sure the virus is real but I for one dont trust a thing those in power in this country do or say - its certainly not for the general publics benefit.
I think questioning things is good - accepting everything we are told and hoping to not be told off all the time is not.
Population control at its finest as I see it.
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In reply to Post #85
Masks are complete crap...........With all this hand washing, space and mask wearing when you do catch the common cold it will be like bloody flu as peoples immune systems have not had any infection for the last 9 months......
Anyway.........Im off fishing......AGAIN........
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In reply to Post #82
Ahhhhh...now I understand....with almost every country in the world over reacting and having to impose very similar restrictions as us......and you know better......get a life
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In reply to Post #86
Have you got yours on ? If so what’s the problem ? You do know that unless the mask is N95 rated it offers minimal protection anyway 😉
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In reply to Post #83
Exactly. I’m waiting to have a tyre changed. Sitting in the small waiting room there’s a lad in his twenties. Mask pulled down under his chin. Absolutely no consideration for others. In a country where will need people to have responsibility. We discover most have none.
I decided to stand outside where it’s lightly snowing instead of breathing in his fumes.
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Keep repeating the same experiment expecting a different result!! Lockdowns have been proven not to work as for masks & social distancing they don’t seem to be having any real affect if the alleged infection rates are to be believed !!
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In reply to Post #82
Agreed !! The guy is some kind of Tosser take a look at his profile
Name P Enis
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In reply to Post #79
the problem with this thick ***** country, no one seems to care about anything but themselves and think they are above the law and everyone else
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"The GB Declaration is utter nonsense peddled by conspiracy theorists . . "
"Herd immunity is a completely flawed concept . . "
I'm sorry but you are talking twaddle on both counts - the vaccine (magic bullet) may help reduce the numbers but will NEVER resolve this . . .Covid is here to stay and we need to live with it either sooner or later . . .
I totally agree the 'at risk' generation (my own parents fall into this category) should be the focus of all protection but the draconian measures ENFORCED on the rest of us seems to be ignoring the current and future collateral damage to livelihoods, businesses, entire industries (retail / leisure / the arts) mental health, families, relationships, kids education, kids sport, kids futures.
Don't forget the Tax bill we will all be stiffing and you've got a recipe that will create FAR greater problems going forward, Covid or no Covid . . . . .this is NOT the bubonic plague ffs . . .
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In reply to Post #76
Good job not everyone is a sheep 😉
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In reply to Post #79
The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting or transmitting the virus it merely lessens the symptoms 😉
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In reply to Post #77
The NHS is struggling......so why not just do what we have been told for the next 6-8 weeks and stay at home ...the elderly are going back into isolation.....we all get vaccinated and then you can unselfishly go fishing.......
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In reply to Post #77
That’s a nice idea. I’ve heard loads of people say it. But so far none of them have been able to give a single credible way they would achieve it. I have however heard many many doctors say it’s horse ****.
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. . .influenza could EASILY fill every ward in the country 3x over if GP's referred every patient with symptoms. . .people aren't as scared of flu as it hasn't had a media backed fear campaign attached to it . . . .so they stay at home (self isolate) take plenty of Vit C / D till they feel better . . .
Read the declaration - 99.75% survival rate for u70's . . . .the risk simply doesn't exist for the majority so protect the older generation and let the rest of us (especially kids at school) get n with it . . . . . .perspective
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In reply to Post #67
The GB Declaration is utter nonsense peddled by conspiracy theorists. Herd immunity is a completely flawed concept. Its impossible to allow people less likely to be seriously affected to go about their normal business without it passing onto the generation who are at a greater risk.
We've been under various forms of lockdown since March and ICUs are still filling up at an alarming rate despite restrictions. The thought of letting covid rip through the healthy population is just inhumane.
People like Adam Penning want to have a look at themselves, they have a platform and they are using it to peddle out utter nonsense. Yeah hes a good angler but I don't think he has many qualifications in epidemiology. I'll take my chances with real doctors.
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In reply to Post #74
we should have also shut the borders back in march....no one in, no one out
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In reply to Post #67
"This is not SARS/EBOLA - the death rates are no different to that of annual flu ffs!"
We all know that....but when was the last time flu, ebola etc filled up almost every ICU bed in the country so other illnesses could not be treated......
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In reply to Post #68
. . .While anyone can get infected, there is more than a thousand-fold difference in Covid 19 mortality between the oldest and youngest. Children have a lower mortality from Covid 19 than from the annual influenza. For people under 70, the infection survival rate is 99.95%. We now have good evidence on the relative risk posed by the incidence of chronic conditions, so we know that among common conditions age is the single most important risk factor. . . .
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In reply to Post #68
the 'science' shows that the 11-16 age group is the most infectious (with lots of asymptomatic)
the reason schools are less 'hotspot' is because of the very tight restrictions and guidelines. rooms regularly cleaned and sanitised, one way systems to avoid face to face contact. teachers and students in bubbles / 2 m distanced, people wearing masks as an overwhelming majority, ventilated rooms (windows open!) etc. staggered start / end to the day and staggered break / lunchtimes etc.
there'll always be a few kids flouting the rules but I have to say that at my place they have mostly been excellent in accepting changes to routines.
although I have lost count of the times I have said 'can you please put your mask on?' as a gentle reminder in the corridors....
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In reply to Post #69
Exactly that Mal
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In reply to Post #66
It was a joke aimed at Mal as he is a teacher,calm down and go fishing.Oh wait you can't
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In reply to Post #66
to be fair to Braders in this instance it was a cheeky dig at me (he knows i'm a teacher) as a bit of a laugh.
i think....
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In reply to Post #46
Plenty of studies now suggesting schools arent covid hotspots
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. . .agree that the problem needs to be solved; however not everyone believes in the current way it's being handled.
Most tax paying, law abiding citizens will trust in what they're being told and do as they're told until they're told to do something else . . .
The 'magic bullet' vaccine is NOT going to remove Covid - this is with us indefinitely now, so blanket banning everything and everyone seems to be a bit of a draconian measure. This is not SARS/EBOLA - the death rates are no different to that of annual flu ffs!
Have a look here and read the declaration - https://gbdeclaration.org/
Seems to me to be a sensible route forward - never mind fishing; this whole debacle is polarizing society, damaging livelihoods and ruining the future for our kids who will be footing the bill . . .
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In reply to Post #46
Braders - you're so wrong on this. My missus is a teacher - and her school (and all the other affiliated schools) have moved heaven and earth to keep the kids in bubbles and minimise risk.
My missus contracted Covid in November due to a parent sending their kid to school whilst the parent and other sibblings had symptoms. Me and my daughters then caught it off my wife. It's the parents letting their kids/households mix after the school bell that you might want to think about. It's not the schools or teachers - they've done everything possible to mitigate risk.
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In reply to Post #63
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In reply to Post #16
Law from Wednesday, and plenty of anglers prosecuted last spring lockdown.
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Stay at home. Yep that's clear.
Protect the NHS. Yep that needs to be done, clear.
Save lives. No argument, clear.
Full lock down = NO FISHING.
The guidance which will be law by Wednesday is perfectly clear to anyone who is not a soft, spoilt, entitled, selfish and immature numpty.
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In reply to Post #51
Spot on. The statement on the AT facebook page is just embarrassing. Yes its rubbish we can't go fishing, especially as this time of year the lakes are quiet, but bigger picture here. The NHS is in a bit of a frightening place. Lets just all sit tight, get people vaccinated and look forward to spring.
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Just get yourself a houseboat to live on , you can fish whenever you want then. 😁
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In reply to Post #51
As far as i can tell no one heard of the AT until the lockdown.
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In reply to Post #51
i tend to agree in a way.
a lockdown should be exactly that...a lockdown
BUT
the government has to consider peoples mental health i guess as thats going to be a killer in itself,
BUT BUT
people will always abuse and twist rules for their own gain i guess.
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In reply to Post #51
Totally agree mate......AT should now be trying to follow the national interest for the next couple of months not their own.
Stay at home...........
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In reply to Post #42
clay shooting is now closed
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In reply to Post #40
To answer your question obviously the rambler going over 5 stiles would be the greater risk.
However there is a big difference in doing what is allowed and what is sensible. The rambler should find other walks with no stiles.
Even if we were allowed to go fishing in these times we shouldn’t. It’s called being sensible, considerate, public spirited etc.
These things are a bit like Russian roulette. The gun could be pointing either way but the results of not being sensible could be the same result.
Note I’ve used “SENSIBLE“ many times so people might understand my point.
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In reply to Post #51
I’m the same as you bud, I love my winter fishing for me it’s my favourite time of year but there is so much more going on now so 6 weeks no fishing for me is fine. I find the attitude of some on here embarrassing and childish just get on with it
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In reply to Post #51
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Leave you house for exercise not sport. At the end of the day it’s only fishing. Some people on here tho really don’t understand what he said last night. I do question if most on hear live in Norfolk and make love to there sister
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I'm starting to find the constant "lobbying" by the AT quite frankly embarrassing now, do they not realise that MP's have got quite a bit on their plates at the moment without having to think about people going fishing, comes across as incredibly selfish in the circumstances.
I want to get the rods out as much as anyone but there's more important things happening at the moment, sit tight, behave and it will be over quicker...
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In reply to Post #48
Its up to a judge to decide if something is lawful or unlawful
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In reply to Post #44
I’m not bothered by people kicking a bag of wind, but they get tested every couple of days. Dave doesn’t.
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In reply to Post #46
You can do the same as gavin Williamson. ..
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In reply to Post #45
As said....
Not happening...look back at what you could do in late March/early April 2020! Were there now...
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In reply to Post #45
We are back in lockdown due to teachers not controlling the kids in school,college,universities.No social distancing taking place and nobody enforcing it.Bloody useless tea drinking,elbow pad jumper wearing long haired idiots
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'Stay at home' - that's not too hard to understand is it?
Ffs no wonder we are back in lockdown.
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In reply to Post #43
What if you're Dave Lane, wouldn't that be essential travel to a place of work for instance?
Apologies if you're reading this and thinking I'm just being contrary for the sakes of it, I'm not. It would seem that say footballers for instance playing premier League football = good, pro *insert any sport you like here* for instance = bad.
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In reply to Post #37
Going to buy food is essential travel, going fishing isn’t.
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In reply to Post #26
Pretty certain golf is an outside non contact sport, and that’s not allowed!
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In reply to Post #39
I'd like the government to define "local", what does that even mean?
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In reply to Post #38
Yes they are both risks, but in the example I gave - also considering that you're able to take walks to an unlimited degree as it's deemed exercise - what would you say has the greatest chances of spreading this virus, bearing in mind that this is all just hypothetical?
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In reply to Post #38
I would be amazed if the AT are able to give the go ahead that fishing can continue. Fishing (including night fishing) was allowed during the tier system under leisure and recreation, with no time limit imposed. This has now been specifically excluded.
From gov.uk
It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You can only leave your home to exercise, and not for the purpose of recreation or leisure (e.g. a picnic or a social meeting). This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
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In reply to Post #31
Both those examples are taking unnecessary risks. That sort of behaviour just adds to our problems and helps spread the virus
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In reply to Post #34
Further for me to drive to the supermarket than go to my nearest water - so bolloxes that argument. LOL I'm fishing tomorrow anyway - didn't bother watching Boris or looking at the news. LOL
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In reply to Post #31
I don't have to go fishing but have to go to work.
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In reply to Post #26
Yeah I think we just need to be patient and not second guess it. If it is a no, so be it. Let's face it, if we have to have a break, January is a good month to pick. You could see this coming - no one was taking this Tier 4 thing seriously ...
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In reply to Post #33
Equally, so is going to the shops, no?
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In reply to Post #30
Travelling to and from a venue is more risk than staying at home.
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In reply to Post #30
Did you read my post 23?
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In reply to Post #28
It would seem that the measurement for risk is arbitrary or a very best guess.
Say you have two people, one of those uses a petrol station 3 times during one week for work who on the weekend goes for a country stroll having to climb 5 stiles that 100 other ramblers have used, the other person uses the petrol station 1 times a week for work and at the weekend parks in the syndicate car park having opened the same gate that the same 10 regular winter members have used - where do you draw the line or make the distinction in regards of risk?
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In reply to Post #28
Sitting by the lake on your own is more of a risk than being at work 🤔
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For me, that’s it for at least 6 weeks now. Thought it was pretty clear
Out tonight for a final overnighter
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In reply to Post #25
No it’s simply extra risk, an unnecessary added risk.
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In reply to Post #25
Nonsense, the only people going to work should be those that cannot work from home as in the rules re essential travel only.
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Angling Trust are on it should have an answer tomorrow!!
Outside non contact sports are allowed so hopefully we should be ok
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In reply to Post #23
You could equally refute all of that if you're just going to work and can't work from home which is why I think that argument is moot on the whole.
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A lot of fisheries have now closed, tbh its simple just stay at home don’t see the big deal. Some people just look for a excuse to do what they want and that’s what has got us in this position
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In reply to Post #16
Fishing on your own in the open air is not the problem. Getting there would be though.
Risks would be accident, breakdown, refilling at a petrol station, navigating any gates to your swim and probably conversations at the lake.
All these things and many others could be avoided and if everyone considered them then perhaps we wouldn’t be in the mess we are now.
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In reply to Post #1
If people keep asking the same question eventually they’re going to get an answer they don’t like.
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In reply to Post #19
Rivers wont be though and have just started fining down . . .half a gallon of maggots that were ready to go destined for the freezer . . . 
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In reply to Post #17
Lakes will probably be frozen aswell lol
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In reply to Post #16
The PM said tonight the announcement will be enacted into law tomorrow by Parliament and police will have the power to enforce lockdown. So yes you will get prosecuted.
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In reply to Post #16
Will be law from Wednesday.
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In reply to Post #11
I know I don't live in England but I will still be going fishing no matter what for my mental well being
I honestly cannot wait until some goes to court for going fishing on their own in the open air , my guess it will get thrown out as it is only guidance and not against the law
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In reply to Post #7
People may have done so, but Tier 4 expressly states that there is no staying over night which I would assume would include night fishing.
It's all as clear as mud to be fair. Best to wait and see what comes out over the next few days or so. As much as I've wanted to fish over night, I've stayed home. Pissed me right off.
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In reply to Post #11
Plenty of syndicates already shutting, not waiting for the AT. So I suspect the answer will be in the negative.
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In reply to Post #11
. . .mm yes it must be as its not CRYSTAL clear yet again . . .
However logic would say you are correct in this instance - which in my opinion is a disgrace. The 'planned-demic' was always going to be a min 12month experiment, they said as much this time last year . . .
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Is it only me? Simple no fishing.
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Been in Tier 4 here in south london for a while.
Fisheries.and angling clubs were open.
Personally I expect them to shut now.
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Taken from the 22 page doc on .gov.uk website. So whilst fisheries have not been explicitly mentioned, pretty safe to say that fishing won’t be permitted.
Sports and physical activity
Indoor gyms and sports facilities will remain closed. Outdoor sports courts, outdoor gyms, golf courses, outdoor swimming pools, archery/driving/shooting ranges and riding arenas must also close. Organised outdoor sport for disabled people is allowed to continue.
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In reply to Post #5
You can’t leave your house apart from essential journeys so I would say no. All outside sports venues to close so if you class you lake as a venue then it will be shut.
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In reply to Post #5
You could still night fish in Tier 4.
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In reply to Post #1
Go to Gov.uk and you'll see the restrictions. You cannot leave your home for recreation so pretty clear no fishing is allowed, as was the case in March.
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Although it's not been expressly mentioned with this new lockdown, I'd say it's similar to Tier 4, that being no staying away from home overnight - no night fishing.
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Not all this AGAIN,just go fishing until your club,syndicate or day ticket say differently
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In reply to Post #1
Do you really need to ask 🤦🏼♂️ I’m sure some people aren’t right
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In reply to Post #1
I hope so I've got every Friday booked off from now until the end of Febuary for fishing.
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Hi
Following tonights announcement can we still go fishing?
Boris never mentioned camping and the last few trips out that's all I've done.
Keep safe
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