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In reply to Post #99
Other than a camera, a charming carridge clock or maybe a keyring, how much can you market to a trainspotter? Id imagine their magazines articles are just full of the content they actually want to read with pictures they want to see, with adverts kept to dedicated pages for adverts.
The carp fishing magazine media have treated their readers like absolute idiots. Heres my version of ronnie rig, its exactly the same as everyone elses but i use this shrink tube from xyz company.
I dont mind adverts, they pay the bills, ill happily read an advert for a new product, but when they started trying to hide adverts in the articles that was the death. They got so lazy with it they barely even tried to hide it anymore.
Carpology is still going some how, i see their "reviews" 'come up here and there every now and again. What an absolute joke of a review they are. Heres a bag, its great, it has 3 zips, i cant believe how much i like it, heres a link where to buy it. Give people some credit and just call it an advert.
I thought this new wave of media was different, they arent pushing products anymore, but you soon realise they themselves are the product they are trying to push you to buy into.
I think the most honest videos out there are from Dave lane, i dont want to buy any of the tackle he uses because its all cack and he knows it. But im Interested in his honest reviews of whatever he has bought from the co-op
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In reply to Post #95
I pointed out in a previous thread that WHSmith sell around 15 different train enthusiast magazines, yet the carp angling bubble can only manage to keep 2 or 3 in circulation.
The problem isn't the consumer. Companies have been striving for the past two years to put feature films up for free on youtube on the basis that we will all suddenly buy Sticky Baits because Martin Bowler caught a few on an estate lake float fishing. A few have also jumped on the podcast bubble, with them all striving to have someone repeat the same stories on a platform which has already been said on three others previously. I think one chap has been on around 5 so far!
Podcasts are a free flexible platform that can be listened to anywhere, and will cause the demise of the remaining print media which companies on youtube and social media as a whole has contributed to. I only subscribe to one platform and that is because the people are interesting, the content is diverse, and the discussions are both about recent events or about previous events which are outside the narrative we are given by what is dictated by the more traditional means.
So why are podcasts like Sam's popular? Different names, Different Ideas, Different Content. As much as I love some podcasts, a lot of it has been done to death already. New platform, same trains.
So, either the train enthusiast magazines are either better than the carping fraternity at adapting to the needs of their subscribers despite the lack of diversity of the choo choos they admire, or the carping fraternity is just trying so hard evolving to modernity that the content suffers, resulting a vicious circle of style over substance.
Lets be brutally honest, how many times do you want to see a bread bomb chucked at a pasty's head and pay for the privilege when there are already tens of hours of that on youtube?
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In reply to Post #97
It's not as simple as having 1500 subscribers and getting 7.5k a month, it doesn't all go into the pocket. The website/apps alone cost a fortune to run then you've got VAT & Corp Tax.
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In reply to Post #94
Same here. I watched the latest video for about 10 minutes and switched it off
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Fair play - these subscriptions people must be coining it in at 5 notes a pop per month.
Would like to know how many subscriber's they have - say 1500, that equates to 7.5k per month in your sky rocket. Not to shabby for sitting in front of a camera talking crap for an hour a week.
Laney and Peck probably have significantly more that 1500 paying folks.
Cha chingggggggggggggggggggggg
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In reply to Post #92
I believe the YouTube subscription model is following the usual (rapid) path for new media products,
Storm, Norm, Perform, Decline..etc
We are in the ‘Norming’ phase ( new entrants, lots of product overlap, little hurdle to entry) and when it evolves to Perform, we will see a shakeout. The old CarpMagazine model had a good run, 25-30 years.
Will be interesting to see who is smart and flexible enough to succeed.
Dave Lane, one of my current favorites, is a great talker, relies on a huge successful video back catalogue and is still good enough to catch big ones.
Cypography has such a wide catchment, sure most of us pick and choose what we watch.
And we have Leon, Darrell, Joe etc. with emphasis and pricing variations.
...... good luck to the angling entrepreneurs, must still be tough to make a living from carp fishing.
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In reply to Post #92
I watched a few of them then thought it had already run its course
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In reply to Post #92
I dont think people pay for these shows for the rig/bait bits personally.
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The magazines became a cliche - only so many ways they could write how to tie a chod rig/Ronnie/make a spod mix/bait up etc
Now generation Z are repeating the lot but just with drum and bass mixed into it and repeating videos of exactly what used to be in the magazines
Old wine in new bottles…
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In reply to Post #90
Thought that was a prerequisite of the modern day carp scene boi 😂
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Ah well, alright whilst it lasted.
Couldn't watch Alan Blair no more than 10 seconds, the bloke is like he is permanently on the crack pipe.
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Yet another carp subscription service. There seems to be tonnes now. I subscribed to crypography for one month but ended up canceling it as i barely watched any, or the ones i wanted to watch were actually free on youtube. I know it's onky a couple of quid, but if you subscribed to all of them its a couple of hundred quid a year.
Im sure joe is a lovely guy, and its great to support people, but i cant just give money to everyone who asks for donations. Tbh i only made it about 25 minutes through the recent carpangle, it wasnt really for me.
Good luck to him though im sure many will subscribe.
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In reply to Post #87
I would say not, probably abit naive to think people would in my opinion
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In reply to Post #86
Sadly its hoping people do the decent thing isn't a way to make money.
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In reply to Post #85
Probably uploading stuff to a free to watch platform isnt the best way to make money, although probably like some of the others will still use it to advertise their content, cant have it both ways
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In reply to Post #84
It wasn't free that's the point- it was donations based and that was made very clear.
The reason its moving to subscription is too many tight a*rses watched the content but didn't bung Joe a fiver for his efforts.
Shame people are happy to spend £12 on a kilo of sticky krill, or £500 for the latest delkims. Hey ho.
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Subscription based from now on..... Good while it lasted as a freebee.... :(
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I like his cooking videos as well.
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Id possibly subscribe depending on cost as his content is about the only one out there without subliminal advertising, and he seems just a decent bloke who makes enjoyable content I've put the odd £5 over on donation as it was worth it to me especially helping me find the motivation to get out on my syndicate and turn things around.
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In reply to Post #80
Good idea, he could open carp angle up a few days early for subscriber's or if he has time do an additional video on something for patron only.
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In reply to Post #79
Getting revenue from YouTube ads wouldnt change that though. And for all of us that have youtube premium there woild be no adverts at all.
Rather than asking for blind donations, set up a Patrion or similar. Let the people donating feel involved.
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In reply to Post #78
Joe's philosophy behind Carpangle was to provide ad and plug free content. So with no other means other than relying on peoples generosity to support it. He was on a hiding to nothing from the start. 
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Surely he can make money through YouTube advertising?
Theres so many carp subscription services now. I subscribed to cypography for one month. The videos are great, but i dont feel like any of it is any different to videos i can watch for free elsewhere.
The carp angle idea if asking for donations is fine, but as someine who watches youtube on an xbox, you dont ever get to read the blurb for a video, so never saw a link or read anything about donating, and he never mentioned it much in the videos.
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In reply to Post #76
Liked Joe's sentiment on this. Only supporting it financially if you were in the position to do so. Its a shame enough didnt do this. He often seemed at time embarrassed to ask for donations.But unfortunately if people can get something for nothing they will. Hope he continues with it as I really enjoyed it.
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Unfortunately looks like carp angle is going over to subscribing. Not enough people donating. £900 for the last 2 episodes 😳
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In reply to Post #74
Really enjoyed this from Joe and I'm not a fishing videos watcher really. Comes across as a good angler and I like his way of interview, relaxed and let's the guest tell the tale. Enjoyed episode six with Jerry Hammond, had some correspondence with Jerry over a decade ago and kind enough to send a load of photos of the fish and his waters over. Tells some interesting tales and what a job he's done in creating a tremendous environment for carp and angler in at times difficult and frustrating circumstances. Huge respect, a great vision achieved 
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In reply to Post #73
Its up to episode 4 now, you better get a move on.
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I watched Episode one and look forward to seeing more of these. 
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Same, I really enjoyed it, he doesn't come across as over confident, love the more relaxed music too. I think I'll chuck him a fiver at least.
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Based on a mates recommendation and the positive comments on here I watched the first episode last night. What an enjoyable hour and a half that was. I liked him as a presenter. I liked the content. I liked the way it was shot and edited. No ads. Great attitude. I hope he manages to continue this as I think it could really take off.
I’ve never subscribed to any paid carp content. I decided that I’m gonna do the right thing and send him a donation as I think that a. He deserves it for what he’s trying to do and b. I want him to be able to continue making content so this seems the best way.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if Elliot did a number on him. Remembering his Korda podcast and comparing it to Joe in what I’ve just watched they certainly seem very different characters.
Hope it works out for him.
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In reply to Post #69
Haha, I think we are probably all over analyzing this. Let’s move on.....at least we all agree that the films are good
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In reply to Post #68
That's cool. I know where you're coming from now. Point taken 👍
I used very poorly constructed language and sentencing, what I should have said is something.ive noticed he does instead of 'my only criticism'.
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In reply to Post #66
Because on many occasions when I’ve been chatting away with Joe on the bank he’s done it and it’s definitely not a nervous tick, he’s been positively laid back and chilled out hence it’s a personal mannerism.
I don’t have a problem with you at all, I just found it rather odd you’d use the term “my only criticism”
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In reply to Post #66
I'll be honest ..... i'm not a lover of his Teapot woolly hat.....:(
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In reply to Post #64
>it was a rather odd observation
What's odd about it? Same as mentioning Jim Shelly going "yeah, right." Why do you have a problem with me airing an observation that I've clearly pointed out is not an attack of the person?
>it’s definitely not a nervous tick as it’s just one of his mannerisms
Are you a trained psychologist or similarly trained/educated? If not, how would you know this?
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Some of the well known anglers you’d just know would be a knob of camera but I get the feeling joe would be a down to earth nice guy. I suppose all us Joe’s are 
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In reply to Post #63
Tbh mate it was a rather odd observation to highlight and not particularly constructive in anyway, it’s definitely not a nervous tick as it’s just one of his mannerisms, he’s a great bloke and very humble.
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In reply to Post #60
Sure, I was wrong by not reading my earlier post in response to yours ✋✋
Ironic really you're criticizing a criticism, no? Like I said previously, none of us a perfect, including myself, I'm just pointing out one of his habits, that's all, nothing meant by it, just a pure observation. It's not a slight on what he's doing, which I wish him the best, a mere comment, that's all. If you wanna pick away at that and micro analyze what I've said, be my guest, I honestly couldn't give a toss. Fill ya boots.
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In reply to Post #61
Agree, he's underrated as an angler and has a history of very cool captures going back a long way.
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In reply to Post #60
Top Bloke is Joe, fished that place really well last year he worked for the results he had! best is yet to come on his own diary fish wise, was lucky enough the see the main capture just mega!
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In reply to Post #59
"The one and only criticism I can ever make of Joe"......
But.....
"It's not a criticism".....
Get a grip. You'll be pointing out he has a spot next.
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In reply to Post #56
No I'm not trying to find anything to criticize him, stop being a knob....knob.
Funnily enough, someone at work brought it up before I'd even mentioned it. It's not a criticism, it's a general comment, hope that's okay by you?
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In reply to Post #55
So he seems like a cracking bloke and comes across really well, but you're just desperate to find something, anything, to criticize
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In reply to Post #54
Something I've noticed Joe do - bet he's a cracking bloke to meet on the bank, comes across really well - is that nervous laugh/ tick that he has. None of us are perfect, it's just something I've picked up on whilst watching his videos.
Looking forwards to the next one with Terry Dempsey.
*Post edited for contextual purposes*
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In reply to Post #52
Just watched the latest one, it’s very watchable indeed. I like his style!
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In reply to Post #51
And a good reason to skip YouTube and have people put their video's on the likes of Bitchute.
Always use the Brave browser, zero adverts slip past it.
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Straight talking with good content. Watched all 4 and I hope many more will follow. Not bothered with cyp or any subscription based content yet. Was tempted with following leon bartropp when he went to the dark side but may just stick with carp angle and give a couple of quid each month.
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im absoluetly loving Carp Angle, and will be making a donation to him as its helped me get my motivation and buzz for fishing back,
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In reply to Post #48
If you watch on a laptop etc via a browser then get 'Adblock for YouTube', works a treat
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Noticed a similar thing recently on a Dave Levy clip for Ridgemonkey, his lockdown carping series. Was only 18 minutes long but must of been at least 5-6 adverts in it. More adverts than content 😂
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In reply to Post #46
They made a post on social media saying that YouTube have enabled ads without them requesting it. They trying to find a solution so this doesn’t happen on future episodes.
They did say using ad blocker is the solution for latest episode.
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In reply to Post #43
The ads can be turned off on YouTube vids by the creator but then they don’t make any money
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In reply to Post #39
Watched it on my android 'phone didn't see any adverts during the video only the ad before it started which seems to be standard for you tube.
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In reply to Post #39
I use Adblocker on a Macbook and don't get any ads on YouTube
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He’s just put a Insta post up saying u tube have slapped a load of ads on
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In reply to Post #41
I always watch on my PC as it has ad block. If I watch on mobile I get 14 ads too. No idea if this is YouTube adding these or the creator.
If I had to bet it'd be on youtube. Still a damn fine show though.
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In reply to Post #40
wow,I've just counted 14 adverts,wonder if it's my browser settings maybe
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I’ve watched half and not one advert
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In reply to Post #38
Just watched it myself, same here no adverts either!! Strange
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In reply to Post #37
Getting zero Ads, watching from the US. Interesting...
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In reply to Post #36
don't get me wrong,the content is great but ALOT of adverts
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In reply to Post #34
Could have 50 adverts and still be better than most of the cr*p on YouTube.
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In reply to Post #34
I enjoyed the first 3 I think it's been, is it 4 that has just come out? I suppose sadly it has to pay it's way to be beneficial to do
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my god the amount of adverts in the latest one,I thought he was doing it ad free??
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In reply to Post #32
I his latest drop, he was random generating a tackle giveaway. Said there were 400 names, all who had contributed £5+. We’ll see, I guess if this approach is sustainable.
I personally prefer his personal fishing stuff, currently at Long Reach..JoeBloggs.
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In reply to Post #28
Bear in mind 60k views doesn't neccesarily mean 60k viewers. Some people may watch a few minutes at a time and dip in and out.
I finally managed to work out how to make a donation and made a token gesture. Like most of the content and will watch and donate again. Wish Joe every success.
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In reply to Post #30
Judging Elliot ethics from his korda podcast wouldnt be surprised if he did at all.
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In reply to Post #29
Someone told me Elliot stitched him up, but not sure if that is true or not?
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Read an article on Joe in this months Carpology, really like his attitude and chilled out approach, a refreshing change from getting it rammed down your throat!
Did pick up on a bit of a vibe between him and Elliot Gray and that they were supposed to be doing something together before Elliot bought Carp TV and ultimately launched Cyp....reading between the lines they wanted to take things in different directions. Not that Joe sounded bitter or anything...
I will take in a couple of Joe's vids this weekend, I have a Cyp subscription but to be honest I'm not getting my monies worth apart from the odd one that takes my fancy....mainly the old school carpers.
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In reply to Post #27
I thought the same.... but then thought about it again...
Vid 1 - 68k views
Vid 2 - 60k views
Vid 3 - 41k views
Lets just say 1% of people are like me and you, and pay £5 per video watched...
Thats 1690 people so far...so nearly £8.5k for 3 video uploads.
He's putting 1 video out every 2 weeks.... so even on an average of 500 people paying £5 that's £2.5k per upload.
I'd guess more and more could go this way.... its similar to Carl & Alex pateron (spelling) model.
I think its another good addition to the content available to watch and get a small fishing fix.
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Watched the first episode - he certainly is a Jammy B*stard - fair play to him - he has a great outlook on life.
I've donated a fiver and will do the same for each episode I watch. These things take time and money to put together.
I must admit I'm nervous for him - I think a huge number of people will watch and not donate.
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In reply to Post #22
Up his chad 😂😂 haven't heard that for years
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In reply to Post #22
In his pocket 🤣
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In reply to Post #21
I am confused as to who and what. Do you want to stick one on his chin, or up his chad?
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In reply to Post #20
Will cancel cypography , and he will get it .
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Yes have to agree with a lot of the sentiment on here. It's good ain't it. Like Joe's free spirit and his buisness outlook. Quite refreshing ain't it. Only paying for the content if your in the position to. Let's hope enough people see it this way and put a few quid his way when they can.
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In reply to Post #17
yes indeed he also comes across as a natural presenter.
I enjoyed it
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In reply to Post #16
Joe is a very talented angler, a natural.
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In reply to Post #10
I’ve bumped into Joe on a number of occasions on the complex last summer, he’s a really decent bloke and makes it look easy at times, it’ll be interesting to see if this style of no advertising is sustainable but it’s fantastic viewing, I for one will be supporting him as it’s great viewing and I hope it has longevity 👍
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Very nice watch. Don't believe in a strict subscription model tbh. Maybe something like a freemium model would work, free 20 mins episodes, unlock the full version for 1 pound/euro/btc:P. But, again, very nice watch.
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In reply to Post #13
Cheers, just found it using my laptop. I watch all of the videos on the youtube app on an Apple TV, this removes any links.
This is the point, Elliot just gets my cash without me even noticing!
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In reply to Post #11
giving an incentive for people to go to the little bit of effort to do it. Maybe all names in a hat and winner gets a session with him or something.
He does exactly that lol.
I would like to give him some cash but how do you?
There is a link under every video mate.
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I think the "trial period" of donations will end and it will become subscription based once he has built up a good following. without building up a following it just simply wouldn't work as no one would know what the content was like,good or bad.
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In reply to Post #10
I really hope he can make it work, I guess with it being on youtube it is so easy to just watch and then move on.
I would like to give him some cash but how do you? He will have to work on making it easy, or giving an incentive for people to go to the little bit of effort to do it. Maybe all names in a hat and winner gets a session with him or something.
I have a CYP subscription, no problem having this one too, don't buy mags anymore so works out about the same.
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In reply to Post #9
Time will tell if it's sustainable.
It is not funded by advertising. The intent is that you watch it and then donate what you think the content is worth. The problem with that is most guys consider this to be free footage as can be seen in post 8.
I'm considering ditching Laneys and Cyp and just sending Joe a fiver a month. The content so far has been great.
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In reply to Post #8
It’s very very good and really refreshing. Stuck to his word as well and not loads off blatant product plugs and advertising.
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In reply to Post #7
How good is Carp Angle from Joe Morgan I'm really enjoying it best free footage on you tube.
If you haven't see your missing out!
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In reply to Post #6
Thanks
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In reply to Post #5
His own youtube channel.
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In reply to Post #1
What is he going to be doing now ?
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In reply to Post #3
Thanks
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In reply to Post #1
Few technical hitches according to Joe. Been delayed to the new year.
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In reply to Post #1
Hopefully soon wanna see st ives videos
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Anyone know when Joe’s new venture is being launched? Thought it was between Xmas and New Year?
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