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   Old Thread  #48 14 Jan 2021 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Having looked into it a bit, cos I initially assumed it was a scam, most of the companies seem perfectly legitimate. Whilst there are no doubt scammers out there, the main thing that bothers me is they try to make out that the punters are all part of some great community, it seems people become both financially invested and emotionally. The people that run these companies whilst doing nothing illegal are morally bankrupt.

Should add, No issues with people having a flutter as long as people aren't being duped.
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   Old Thread  #47 14 Jan 2021 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I work at a bank and we actually donít allow these sorts of businesses to open accounts with us...says it all!
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   Old Thread  #46 14 Jan 2021 at 10.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #45 12 Jan 2021 at 4.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Sadly a lot of people get hooked on these sort of things
be it lotto , or scratch cards, facebook raffles all are ok if you buy into it and not EXPECT to win problems arrive when people see things they dont have a realistic prospect of owning and get hooked into thinking they will win
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   Old Thread  #44 12 Jan 2021 at 3.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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lol

I don't think online casino's are even allowed in Canada.
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   Old Thread  #43 12 Jan 2021 at 3.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #42 12 Jan 2021 at 3.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I too won a Skoda in a raffle...
Before I picked it up from the dealership I asked the salesman if it was the 16 valve model.
He replied Skoda only made 8 valve engines .
I had to tell him I was enquiring about the radio !
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   Old Thread  #41 12 Jan 2021 at 2.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #40 12 Jan 2021 at 11.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
My nephew won a Skoda many moons ago when phoning up his answer that was asked on supermarket sweep.

Needless to say back in the day he sold that Skoda.
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   Old Thread  #38 25 Dec 2020 at 11.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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BOTB is no scam. There's a fella I know who won a Porsche 718 Cayman and £20k in cash! He kept the car for six months and then sold it. Agree though, there are some dodgy goings on out there, but BOTB isn't one of them.
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   Old Thread  #37 24 Dec 2020 at 8.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
LOL. If you think all these are scammers then you probably also believe everything you read on social media....
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   Old Thread  #36 24 Dec 2020 at 11.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #35 23 Dec 2020 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I strongly suspect that a lot of them are run by scammers...


That was your quote so I can see where his confusion came from to be fair...


Personally Iíve won shed loads from them and have to say long may they continue!
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   Old Thread  #34 23 Dec 2020 at 5.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can't help but always look at it that way too.

That probably explains how I was the only FX trader in the city that couldn't fill out a betting slip.
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   Old Thread  #33 23 Dec 2020 at 3.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have you been sniffing the brandy butter a bit early this year?

Where did I say they are all scammers?

I gave one example of a scam and suggested people be a little cautious.

But just for you I will rephrase it cos you are clearly having comprehension issues. Ok here goes

ďIf you are thinking about giving money to a Facebook raffle. Please bare in mind that I know of at least one case where a person, unknown if they were a male, a female, or identified as gender neutral, of unknown ethic origin, ran a scam on Facebook for a prize that didnít exist.Ē

There you go. Do you feel better now?

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   Old Thread  #32 23 Dec 2020 at 2.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have absolutely no idea if you made the phone call up, weird comment to make. And as for 'people' out there, one, one example of it but that means that they are all scammers.
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   Old Thread  #31 23 Dec 2020 at 7.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #30 23 Dec 2020 at 2.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol
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   Old Thread  #29 21 Dec 2020 at 11.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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WARNING!!! WARNING, anybody winning any fishing related items is advised not to advertise said items for sale on the forum as some members may take offence, you have been warned.
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   Old Thread  #28 21 Dec 2020 at 7.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes, it's gambling. Yes, if they sell all the tickets they make money out of it.

I won a Carplounge RT4 a little while ago and nope, I've not spent £3k on tickets in the raffle.
I was over the moon...

As long as you keep this stuff in control and just spend extra money on it then it's no harm.

If you look at the ticket sales v the cost of the item their making 2 to 3 times the value in profit usually, this is business.
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   Old Thread  #27 21 Dec 2020 at 7.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Goose I thought you had taste. Ferrari ok but Bugatti?????
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   Old Thread  #26 21 Dec 2020 at 7.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So true.
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   Old Thread  #25 21 Dec 2020 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Got one but need a bugatti to keep her company.
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   Old Thread  #24 21 Dec 2020 at 7.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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She sounds like most women. Extremely expensive running costs. The Ferrari would probably be cheaper.
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   Old Thread  #23 21 Dec 2020 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíll see what I can do but donít go putting your name down for a ferrari on the strength of it.
The problem is she only likes high end functions so her winnings donít come close to the cost of getting her there. Now if you were to send her on a cruise..........
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   Old Thread  #22 21 Dec 2020 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think they are classed as lotteries and have to comply with the rules and regs set out
Is it any different to the national lottery
Pay a quid get 6 numbers right for what 4 million quid
Iím sure the national lottery make a bucket load of cash out of what they are doing but no one moans about that.

Ps
I donít do the lottery or any of these things
I know the guy running it has already said some of the profits are going to charities and to help getting kids into fishing
He did a podcast on one of the carp channels if you want to listen
But yes it is a business
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   Old Thread  #21 21 Dec 2020 at 6.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can you ask her to buy me five euro millions tickets please and I will pay for them from the winnings.
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   Old Thread  #20 21 Dec 2020 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As you say be careful. Definitely too many suspicious ones about for me to take a chance. Highly unlikely that even the genuine ones make a loss, the odds will always be in their favour.

On a lighter note my wife seems to have the lucky gene, we went to a high end watch presentation on a cruise and there was a free draw for a watch that my wife won. Another cruise she bought 5 tickets and won three prizes, she was a bit embarrassed about that one.
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   Old Thread  #19 21 Dec 2020 at 5.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well clearly there are people out there who have jumped on the band wagon and are running dodgy raffles, cos I didnít make up the phone call did I. All I was saying was be careful. Maybe donít take each one at face value.
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   Old Thread  #18 21 Dec 2020 at 5.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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they are obviously not scammers but they are encouraging people to gamble..
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   Old Thread  #17 21 Dec 2020 at 5.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've won a few things on raffles and If I totalled up the amount I'd spent on tickets, it would still be WELL under the price of the stuff I had won. Set of TXI-D's, Indulgence MF60 and SS3 Wideboy and about £600 worth of various other bits too. Each to their own of course, I do not expect everyone would like them but to say the people are scammers is just stupid, nothing scamming about it Blankosaurus
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   Old Thread  #16 21 Dec 2020 at 3.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I have had a couple of goes on the carp giveaways one. I only do the mini comps and only the ones that are between 99p to £2 I only do the ones that I want to win with decent odds on winning to.
Mate of mine won a solar bow loc net not bad for 2 quid
There is one on fb The guy is making massive profit it. Think his is carp gear something
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   Old Thread  #15 21 Dec 2020 at 3.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I questioned one raffling a land rover ,They said they had paid £30k for it. Mine must have doubled im price overnight.
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   Old Thread  #14 21 Dec 2020 at 2.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looks like theyíve limited tickets per person on their site
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I got a bit caught up in this when one site first started at the beginning of the year. Won £400 of Korda end tackle, Korda Distance sticks and in March i won a Trakker Tempest Advanced 150. I totalled up how much i'd spent on "tickets". It was about £150.

To be honest, i didn't really need any more end tackle, i already had distance sticks, and the Trakker has just joined the many other bivvys in my garage on the off chance i may go to France sometime in the future.

I would like to think myself fairly level headed, but it would have been all too easy to become an expensive habit. Haven't bought any tickets on these sites since. I have been tempted a couple of times, but have now left these FB groups..
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Iím sure that Jag wonít mind me posting this. A few months ago they received a phone call from a guy who was just calling to give them his address. Heíd won a complete jag pod kit in a Facebook raffle and apparently it was being dispatched directly to him by the manufacturers. Jag knew absolutely nothing about it. Weíre not involved in anyway and I can confidently say wouldnít be supplying any stock at trade prices to these kinds of outfits. Queue one very disappointed and pissed off caller.

Please be very careful paying money for tickets in these raffles. I strongly suspect that a lot of them are run by scammers and I doubt very much whether any reputable manufacturers or shops would have anything to do with them. Most manufacturers will have charities that they are already associated with and donate tackle to. In the case of Jag thatís Lucyís Bowl. Fox used to donate money from life jacket sales after the Savay tragedy etc. Probably not to Daveís Amazing Never to be Repeated Facebook Tackle Raffle.

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   Old Thread  #11 21 Dec 2020 at 1.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I saw that one 😂 I generally donít mind these types of things and people earning money, but some of the profits are just outrageous. Then when you mention it you get the old ďwe have to pay for advertisingĒ etc

I play the bonus ball type ones now and then but am under no illusion that itís a dead cert. but the profit made on the items isnít ridiculous so donít mind playing it. Wouldnít catch me playing the fisholux or whatever one though

Like I said I generally like them as it gives people a chance to win some good items (be that house, car, cash, tackle) for not a lot of money. Bit like doing the lottery, you know you probably ainít gonna win but if you do happy days
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   Old Thread  #10 21 Dec 2020 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Reduce the odds, buy 100 tickets, still didn't win, oh well better luck next time.
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yes they will make money but someone will get alarms for 3.79! It is not like if people wouldn't know that it is a lotery kind a gamble... and it is 1:300 chance, not that bad it is only 4 korda swivels worth
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I never like to see companies fail but I really hope this Fisholux fall on their arse with this.

Take the Delkim "competition" for example, (it isn't a competition, it is a draw) 300 tickets at £3.79 per ticket means that if all sold they will bring in £1,137 for a set of alarms and accessories which retail for circa £600. Bear in mind they will have been obtained at cost price as well and the profit margin is even bigger.

Hopefully most will see through this and wont be taken for mugs...
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they ones I looked at are registered UK companies
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Probably based offshore to avoid tax.
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And before anyone says 'No one is being forced to play' try saying that to a gambling addict (my god father was, he died on his own and pennyless)

This is not a little raffle at the local working mens club or a charity once or twice a year, it a business model.

I like businesses that make stuff, build things, educate people, add to society. These take money for nothing
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Thereís so many of the businesses about one called BOTB doing raffles for cars and watches etc.

So many popping up as people are seeing how lucrative these companies are, on some of them they will not even run the raffle until they have enough tickets sold which could be never!

Bit of a scam but if people are falling for it then more fool them
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Not just carp tattle though, cars, motorcycles, and what's with all the lotteries even charities are starting there own to raise funds. The only one I would like to see do any of the above to fund themselves is the BBC.
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Agree mate, I have zero interest in the business model of these companies. I too was bombarded by Fisholux and have blocked them on every platform.

Part of me says that if Anglers are gullible enough to get involved then that is up to them but the other half thinks it is nothing short of gambling and should be considered so and governed by the Gambling Commission......I bet none of them are!
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Monday morning rant, please skip if you want to

Well the saying goes 'A fool and his money are easily parted' I think it should be changed to 'A carp fisherman and his money are easily parted'. If it's not tackle companies adding huge percentage of carp tax to identical products you can buy in other markets for a lot less what is with all the 'tackle giveaway' sites that are popping up?

This weekend alone facebook has kindly introduced me to four new places I can gamble away hard earned cash rather than just save it up and spending it myself. Sites like UK carp Tech (formed feb 2020), Carp gear giveaways (formed jan 2020), Carp gear ltd (formed Jul 2020) and now Fisholux (formed May 2020). I am sure there are others.

Looking at Facebook some people genuinely believe these businesses are giving away tackle out of the goodness of there hearts, to quote 'in these difficult times its so good to see you helping others' I corrected one person along the lines of 'company XXXXX are a business, they sell tickets at 2 or 3 times the RRP of the product which they then no doubt pay trade prices for...they then make a profit'...I got banned from that facebook page

Am I the only person that would rather save my money and then buy what I can afford when I can afford it?

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