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   Old Thread  #19 3 Jan 2021 at 8.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Message surpressed as my interpretation was wrong, good accountant I am.
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   Old Thread  #18 2 Jan 2021 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No problem
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   Old Thread  #17 2 Jan 2021 at 9.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats great JK, thanks very much. That's one potential issue gone.
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   Old Thread  #16 2 Jan 2021 at 8.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'll also put this link up for you to read....better from the horse's mouth than from me....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroad#collection-by-customer
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   Old Thread  #15 2 Jan 2021 at 7.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jim, you're correct ref VAT on imports to France. I guess if you were VAT registered you would just claim that back as usual but I don't know enough about the French system to know whether there's another way round it.
I'm speaking to someone next week and hope to find out a bit more...you're not alone in your thoughts

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   Old Thread  #14 2 Jan 2021 at 5.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Will do David.

Question for you JK, sounds like you run a bait company.

It seems that all imports from the UK will be subject to French VAT. Will you be able to export VAT free to a company that isn't VAT registered in France? I'm trying to get my head around how we can avoid paying two lots of VAT. I presume that no VAT gets charged by the company that is exporting from the UK?
Amazon UK seem to be deducting VAT for orders to France and then charging basically the same amount as 'duties'.
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   Old Thread  #13 31 Dec 2020 at 3.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jimmy, I realised this morning who you were (MDM in your username gave me a clue ). Spoke to your Dad many years ago and glad that you are still doing well in France. I misread your posting about bait, so am no longer confused (lol). Please pass on my best wishes to your Dad.
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   Old Thread  #12 30 Dec 2020 at 7.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm Oldfellah's son Dave 15 years out here now!
We all need luck for 2021!

I'm sceptical that bringing 30kg of fishing bait full of fishmeal, eggs and dairy products will be permitted when youre not allowed to bring a pack of bacon, bottle of milk or a bag of pedigree chum with you (and those are facts being discussed widely amongst expats and second home owners).
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying is confusing about one of my posts?
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   Old Thread  #11 30 Dec 2020 at 6.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Personally I donīt think it will apply to fishing baits, I could be wrong though. Jim I think your post is confusing maybe the same as the new rules, assume you might be a new lake operator in France (only a few recent posts on the forum), if you are good luck for 2021!!
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   Old Thread  #10 30 Dec 2020 at 5.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's sending me round the bend but probably because I'm trying to pre-empt what will happen but we'll find out soon enough as you say!

You are right, fisheries produce likely means fish and shellfish and products more closely linked to them than bait.
The closest thing to animal feed on the permitted list for tourists is pet food but only if it is for health reasons.
If the French decide to police this I just can't see bait getting through bu again, as you say let's wait and see.

Hopefully exporting bait in bulk to us guys on the continent will be feasible (and not just for the big boys) and the measures youre taking are sufficient.
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   Old Thread  #9 30 Dec 2020 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think we'd all be intersted in a definite answer Jim to be fair and i'm old enough to of lost the milk and bacon on more than one occasion way back when!

Their use of the word 'fisheries' doesn't mean carp/freshwater fisheries and bait is deemed and included in Animal Feed.

I've spent a fair chunk of my time this year getting bait labelling to EU standards so i've got a reasonable grip on things but it doesn't make me an expert by any means....

Sending bait to you at your lake or to a French shop for resale with the appropriate labelling and paperwork is a different thing to guys turning up at Calais with 40kg of their chosen carp slayer in air dry bags.
Until we know its not necessary and because individually it's a relatively small amount, common sense would maybe say to have the appropriate labelling or information to hand just in case the question is asked....?
Who knows....the French love a rule so maybe there will be limits on personal use that you can take through....anything is possible and guess we'll have to wait a bit and see what happens.
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   Old Thread  #8 30 Dec 2020 at 4.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Clearly if the European markets are of a worthwhile size then companies will begin manufacturing on the continent. This may or may not affect sales in UK depending on where sales volumes lie. Could result in job losses in UK. Let's hope not.
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   Old Thread  #7 30 Dec 2020 at 4.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If bait isn't included as fishery products then its likely to come under meat and dairy which is a complete ban. Just about every bait contains milk eggs or dairy. Bait in unmarked bags is likely not to be permitted at all.

The links I sent are very clear on meat, dairy and products containing them and expecting fishing bait to be specifically referenced at any time in the near future or ever is very unlikely. I assure you I'm not scaremongering here and have said in every comment that these rules may not be policed however I think acknowledging the new rules that are coming into place is an important issue - if the French customs do decide to strictly police this then we all need to know what the rules are.

I'd love to be wrong on this and very interested/open to anyone who can provide sources which state that bait shan't be am issue if your subject to a customs inspection.

On a side note - Lots of the bait makers seem to be assuring their customers on the continent that shipping to them won't be an issue next year, hopefully they're right and there isn't new red tape thrown up but I'm less confident myself from the research I've done so far. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
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   Old Thread  #6 30 Dec 2020 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nothing specific there tbh but pretty sure the 20kg of "Fishery Products" is whole produce from the sea.....

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   Old Thread  #5 30 Dec 2020 at 1.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/2020-12/23/Brochure-voyageurs-Brexit-23122020.pdf

That specifically mentions meat and dairy.


https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/uploads/files/Documentations-Brochures/Langues-etrangeres/Trouble-free-travel-with-french-customs.pdf

Thats a general French customs guide dated back to 2016 and includes the 20kg of 'fishery products".
As far as I'm aware the UK is to be treated as a third country unless otherwise stated so all/most of these rules will now apply to travelers from the UK.

As I say, whether this is going to be policed is another matter.
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