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#132 17 Jan 2021 at 11.02pm | | |
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There's loads of ways around these new rules. Bait from the UK should still be able to be exported to shops and venues in Europe, it just looks like it'll be a ballache and might increase costs. Theres also tons of bait companies within Europe.
Its a big change but not a terrible one.
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#131 17 Jan 2021 at 10.50pm | | |
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I hope I'm wrong but it 's only January the 17th yet it sounds like your are already resigned doomed to failure.
Granted not everyone but there's a few fair few on here that seem it's not ideal situation but not a showstopper 
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#130 17 Jan 2021 at 10.43pm | | |
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The AT seems to think they have the ability to negotiate with Brussels over this... I think they're a little bit out of their league to say the least.
To say that boilies are not going to enter the foodchain because they are used by catch and release anglers shows a certain degree of ignorance too.
Many boilies are used by anglers to fish public lakes and rivers where removing fish for the table is quite commonplace in France and even more so in other EU countries.
Fish are also sold by catch and release fisheries and may end up becoming part of the foodchain - for example, several times in the past we've sold small carp to our local commune for them to stock in the village lake which allows anglers to take their catch home with them. We sold pike to a fish farmer a few years ago and there's a very good chance they became table fish - and we all know pike eat a certain amount of boilies.
We once sampled one of our nuisance catfish and were surprised to find the flesh was quite pleasant.
The following year we took a catfish from a friends lake up the road and did the same thing, it smelt funny, its flesh had a yellow tint and when we decided to give it a miss even the dogs wouldn't touch it. I strongly suspect that it was bait thay had tainted the flesh.
This is well above the AT's pay grade in my opinion.
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#129 17 Jan 2021 at 9.25am | | |
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From the Angling Trust
Anglers to challenge Brexit bait ban
15 January 2021
The Angling Trust has joined forces with bait manufacturers Dynamite and Mainline in urgently seeking clarification on Brexit ruling which will effectively ban UK anglers from taking baits with them on fishing trips in Europe.
Since the UK-EU Trade Agreement came into force on January 1st, the export of baits derived from animal produce, such as boilies, requires a European Health Certificate (EHC) to be completed. At present, the EHC for baits of this sort are under the same requirements as exporting animal feed which involves exhaustive and expensive testing, and certification from a vet. To make export to Europe cost effective, the Angling Trust believes bait needs to sit under a simpler EHC classification.
Mark Owen, the Angling Trust’s Head of Freshwater, said:
“The Angling Trust has retained active engagement with the European Commission through our membership of the European Anglers Alliance and we will continue to press the EU to facilitate this change of EHC classification.
“It is apparent, from our understanding, that the current position will impact on anglers purchasing bait in England to go fishing in Europe once Covid travel restrictions are lifted as they would have to produce an EHC if challenged. We are presently seeking clarification that our interpretation is correct and more information will follow.”
Jamie Cook, Angling Trust CEO and keen carp angler, added:
“It’s ridiculous that fishing baits for a species that is returned alive are being treated as if they were part of the food production process. I have asked my team at the Angling Trust to work with the angling trade to press the European Commission to see sense.”
The Angling Trades Association also hope to provide a briefing on the issues next week.
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#128 17 Jan 2021 at 7.54am | | |
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Big UK bait companies will still export from the UK to Europe. We are talking here about anglers taking bait over for a fishing trip. Totally different situations. Same as a huge dairy company exporting cheese to the EU. They will still be able to but you won't be able to take any wether on a week's fishing or fortnight in Benidorm
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#127 17 Jan 2021 at 6.58am | | |
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Not being able to take bait to France would not effect my decision to vote the way I did .
I see a bait company posted on Facebook about the situation along the line of - this is what you voted for , and then deleted the post .
Google bait company's and tackle shops over there and options come up .
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#126 17 Jan 2021 at 0.44am | | |
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Jimmy, this all makes complete sense to me.
One additional thought, the major UK Bait industry does export to the US. To do so, it has to pass US regulations, and Mainline, CCMoore, DNA et al seem to have been able to do so, consequently we can buy their stuff here on www.bigcarptackle.com.
I am sure EU Regs are different, probably more challenging, but given time and investment, probably the big bait suppliers can comply, given the market opportunity?
Suppose we will see how soon this may happen...
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#125 16 Jan 2021 at 11.25pm | | |
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A post I wrote on FB earlier, it may be of interest to some on here... I'd got fed up with seeing so many daft comments, especially on the AT post which fanned the flames....
It seems that lots of carp anglers are feeling victimised by the EU right now regarding the bait situation. I can assure you that the guys and gals in Brussels didn't purposefully go out of their way to stick it to British carp anglers.
The rules that outlaw bait and other foodstuffs from being brought over the border post Brexit are long standing rules for countries outside of the EU's single market. It is also the rule for entry into many countries in the world for biosecurity reasons - many are much stricter. Even if a product is made to EU standards it needs to go through the proper checks and customs procedures which include things like veterinary checks, all of which aren't feasible when your just taking 30kg with you on holiday.
UK bait companies will still be able to export into the EU, however they will now have go through the same export procedures as every other nation in the world has to when they export products into the EU. This is turning out to be difficult as the procedures for exporting animal feeds into EU is quite extensive by the sounds of things.
Boilies are classed as an animal feed in Europe because freshwater fish are commonly eaten all over Europe therefore boilies are likely to enter into the human foodchain. This is certainly true of France where many communal lakes and state owned waterways allow you to take your catch home with you.
The reason why these customs checks have become necessary now is because by leaving the EU single market we have taken over control of many laws and standards that the EU has had control over. In order to protect it's citizens and its livestock from foods and feeds inferior to the standards set by EU law, these customs checks are now required to ensure that everything that passes into the single market meets these standards. Until the start of this month, the UK customs agents were in charge of policing these rules from imports from the USA for example.
The writing was on the wall for all these changes years ago, they aren't a surprise.
I'm sure this is obvious to many, however I felt I had to write something after reading literally hundreds of comments from angry carp anglers over the last few days who seem to think that this is some kind of punishment from Brussels and that they'll 'change their minds' soon enough ect.
This is what Brexit is, this isn't political, this is the new normal and quite frankly, carp fishing will barely register on the radar when it comes to the headaches these new customs procedures are causing right now. It will settle down soon enough as both businesses and governments get to grips with the changes.
But the rules won't change.
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#124 16 Jan 2021 at 9.03pm | | |
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In reply to Post #55
I didn't choose to leave 
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#123 16 Jan 2021 at 8.58pm | | |
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In reply to Post #5
Well there is nothing wrong with going backwards 
Hopefully, something will get sorted in the future
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#122 16 Jan 2021 at 8.21pm | | |
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I was talking from our viewpoint as a venue in France. By 'here' I meant our lakes
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#121 16 Jan 2021 at 7.22pm | | |
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I don't get the inferenced that a European bait needs to be consitant here to work over there 
English anglers try to infer that our baits are superior to basic French baits, now they probably are nutitionally but no one told the fish. Now if your fishing a pressurized English type water in Europe then you may have a point as the fish will have been educated to certain baits, but I'd say the vast majority of waters this doesn't apply to.
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#120 16 Jan 2021 at 5.46pm | | |
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Had to have a wry laugh when I saw that earlier. I'm not sure why the carp fishing industry thinks it has enough clout to change long standing customs rules for entry into the EU. I'm also not sure why bait should be exempt from the checks that apply to any to every other food or feed product when imported.
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#119 16 Jan 2021 at 5.35pm | | |
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https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
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#118 16 Jan 2021 at 1.43pm | | |
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i suspect alot of the french baits are quite far behind the UK's bait development and with the lack of choice now, i bet my bottom dollar those bait firms will use inferior ingredients.... that happens enough over here
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#117 16 Jan 2021 at 1.37pm | | |
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My biggest concern in all this is that our fish are super picky - many baits just don't work here, or only work for certain months. We know which British baits we can recommend but its going to be a steep learning curve trying to get to grips with French baits, I only know of one European bait that is consistent here. Its why I'd like to source a known quantity form the UK to use alongside French baits until we've learnt a bit more.
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#116 16 Jan 2021 at 1.22pm | | |
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And as you will know lake owners will only be supplying quality bait as no owner wants crap bait being shovelled in their lake.
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#115 16 Jan 2021 at 1.09pm | | |
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In reply to Post #114
i appreciate that mate
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#114 16 Jan 2021 at 1.06pm | | |
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The thing is Frenzy, lakes have nothing to do with these new rules and you will have other options than buying from the venue.
'I want to use my own bait' doesn't change the facts that are being discussed here.
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#113 16 Jan 2021 at 1.01pm | | |
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In reply to Post #109
Le Moulin du Mee (Oldfellah's son)
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#112 16 Jan 2021 at 12.48pm | | |
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In reply to Post #111
quite a few i wont mention
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#111 16 Jan 2021 at 12.46pm | | |
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In reply to Post #110
Who is charging you 10 per kg for 80kg that you want to take with you?
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#110 16 Jan 2021 at 12.44pm | | |
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Relevance being
i dont want to use a different bait to what ive used for the past 15 odd yrs.
most "supplied" baits ive come across (optionally) are silly prices. granted i dont pay over for my bait and i dont mind paying, but i do when it starts getting silly.
£10 a kg, when you use quantities like i do, it becomes very expensive. not just for me, but for others on the trip/s
Plus alot of bait firms i dont trust and trust is everything i my book.
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#109 16 Jan 2021 at 12.02pm | | |
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What is your fishery Jimmy?
I'd imagine just holding off doing anything for now as EU/UK export is a complete disaster area right now and will most likely continue to be for a while. It may well become viable to produce a small range of baits if the demand i.e. UK angler numbers are there still and there is no work around the current regs. Time will tell..
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#108 16 Jan 2021 at 11.22am | | |
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According to a couple of the large bait firms, currently nobody can export bait, from what I've heard there isn't a suitable export document available yet. We're also in a situation where we don't know when we will reopen again so investing in stock is out of the question at the moment - I was intending to contact ABS at the end of the month to find out if they plan on exporting, everything has been so up in the air I thought it best to give them a few weeks to get to grips with the situation before asking.
Id like to be in the position where we can offer both a French made bait and a well known UK made bait, or a choice of two French baits if importing from the UK isn't viable. Long-term we'd like to roll out own but that will require quite a large investment.
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#107 16 Jan 2021 at 10.36am | | |
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In reply to Post #106
Jimmy; do you have a plan for the future with ABS regarding continuation of supply?
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#106 16 Jan 2021 at 10.29am | | |
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I don't understand the relevance.
You will have 4 choices.
Buy bait supplied by the lake.
Buy bait in Europe
Risk it and take it through the border
Decide to stop coming to Europe to fish (or any other country outside Europe for that matter, many have even stricter rules).
Weve been supplying a tweeked ABS bait for the last couple of years, we sold it for about £1 more per kg than you could buy it direct from ABS.
Some lakes take the piss, they're in the minority, most of us are just trying to run an honest business.
Prices are likely to go up everywhere after this year though, the cost of getting British bait out here is likely to go up anyway.
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#105 16 Jan 2021 at 9.55am | | |
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In reply to Post #103
simply put
I dont want to use a boillie thats not of my choice
I will not get mugged off with stupid bait prices of £10 per kg +
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#104 15 Jan 2021 at 7.54pm | | |
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An interesting point.
One thing for sure, this won't be the end to British bait being transported over the channel with anglers. We've only been talking about the rules and there is going to be loads of anglers who will risk it and attempt to bring bait - maybe even the majority. Whether the Douane increase checks and how severe the penalties will be for getting caught with 60kg of your favourite boilie nobody knows yet.
I wouldnt want to be the first to risk it as the Douane aren't known for being forgiving.
There seems to still be anglers travelling over here to fish by all accounts despite the ban thats been put on non residents travelling over. There appears to be a 'one rule for us and another rule for everyone else' attitude shared by many carp anglers.
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#103 15 Jan 2021 at 7.45pm | | |
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I can’t see what everyone is getting flustered about , their rules and all that .
Supermarket near venue stock up sorted .
Sort out some maize and get soaking sorted .
If venues won’t let you use particle fish the rivers as that’s where a lot of the stock in muddy puddles came from anyway .
Still the up side is no more of these # posts these caught on this bait that bait scenario .
All chill out it will all get sorted in the future 🤔
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#102 15 Jan 2021 at 7.44pm | | |
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I wouldn’t know, but I assume they sourced them in the EU. Would be interested to know otherwise.
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#101 15 Jan 2021 at 7.36pm | | |
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So I'll ask the question again :
What did the non EU based teams of anglers at the World Carp Classic etc do in regards to their baits used in the competition? Would be quite useful to know..
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#100 15 Jan 2021 at 7.31pm | | |
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From what I gather the big companies are unable to export at the moment as there is (currently) no export document which covers them. The checks and procedures that will apply to the bait seem to be a bit of an unknown, as are what customs clearance fees and duties it might attract. I dont think that it will be crippling however, the paperwork required is likely to be the difficulty in exporting rather than the cost.
It seems nobody really knows whats going to happen. One thing for sure, its going to be a lot more complicated than just acquiring an EORI number.
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#99 15 Jan 2021 at 7.25pm | | |
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Sorry BRB, I worded my post badly. Yes these rules have existed for a long time but only now apply to the UK as we have left the EU - there have been many people.claiming that the rules have existed for travelers from the UK for years which is untrue and stems from limits that were temporarily put in place during the foot and mouth outbreak.
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#98 15 Jan 2021 at 7.22pm | | |
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In reply to Post #88
Shingoose's advice is again completely correct.
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#97 15 Jan 2021 at 7.08pm | | |
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This is an Export Health Certificate
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5f6a1902d3bf7f7239aa147b/Specimen-8333_English_V1.pdf
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#96 15 Jan 2021 at 7.00pm | | |
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That is totally inaccurate advice. You can’t include an Export Health Certificate in product packaging. It is an official document, signed and stamped on every page by a DEFRA Vet, and the original hard copy has to travel with the goods for inspection by the EU customs officials. Angling Lines have it horribly wrong I’m afraid.
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#95 15 Jan 2021 at 6.42pm | | |
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In reply to Post #92
I received an email from angling lines who are writing to their clients with what they know.
They have contacted UK bait companies and one mentioned that by including their export health certificate in the wording of on its bait packaging it would be compliant. They were hopeful this would satisfy the EU requirements. I am hoping the main bait companies will work on this to help their customers and keep their offshore sales going.
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#94 15 Jan 2021 at 6.33pm | | |
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In reply to Post #93
Essential have stopped selling to Europe which gives a good idea.
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#93 15 Jan 2021 at 6.31pm | | |
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In reply to Post #92
What information or advice are the major UK bait manufacturing companies providing, that would be useful?
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#92 15 Jan 2021 at 6.30pm | | |
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In reply to Post #91
Thanks Colin for that information, so basically we can´t take any UK manufactured boilies then. Well we learnt how to catch carp without fishing baits off the hooks, so now following on from the hair rig, we need to use a fresh air rig, surely the carp will fall for that.
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#91 15 Jan 2021 at 6.23pm | | |
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David,
If boilies contain animal products such as egg, fish (but NOT meat or milk products), the MAX personal limit = 2kg
If boilies contain meat or milk products, the MAX personal limit = 0kg (ie totally banned, will be confiscated)
20kg limit is nothing to do with bait, it’s only for fresh fish for human consumption and then under certain circumstances.
Other than these personal limits, if you want to take boilies into the EU you’ll need to be a DEFRA approved exporter and every consignment will need microbiology tests, pre-export Vet checks, Export Health Certification, legal representation as a distributor in the EU, give 24hrs notice to the EU customs of your arrival and then have the goods inspected at the border.
Or, you can try a bit of smuggling and take your chances! Depends on how reasonable you think French customs will be.
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#90 15 Jan 2021 at 6.12pm | | |
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In reply to Post #86
I understood the meat and dairy regs had been in place for a number of years Jimmy. It applied to items entering the EU. Pre Brexit it wasn't an issue for the English as we were already within the EU. Obviously things are now different for us as we are now importing.
If I have got that wrong sorry.
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#89 15 Jan 2021 at 6.01pm | | |
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Is there a limit to how much beer we can take, don't like the French stuff.
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#88 15 Jan 2021 at 5.57pm | | |
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In reply to Post #86
Jimmy I am getting more and more confused, maybe it is an age thing, will we or won't we be allowed to take UK manufactured boiles to Europe and if we are, will the restriction be 20kgs? Thanks
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#87 15 Jan 2021 at 5.54pm | | |
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In reply to Post #84
Not sure why anybody in the UK would want to use boilies made in the EU on UK waters, they are rubbish!!
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#86 15 Jan 2021 at 5.00pm | | |
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In reply to Post #84
Shingoose is exactly right. The 20kg relates to pure fish products, no boilies would be applicable to this allowance.
There's no ifs buts and maybes anymore, boilies will not be permitted under the new rules. And they are NEW rules, seen loads of people saying that they have always existed - they haven't, it WAS perfectly fine taking meat, dairy and cereal products into the EU until the start of this month.
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#85 15 Jan 2021 at 4.11pm | | |
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Rather a kick in the teeth for U.K. manufacturers from our govt.
Hardly a surprise. It was Johnson who said '**** business' when questioned about Brexit concerns, after all.
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#84 15 Jan 2021 at 3.57pm | | |
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No, I’m sorry, that’s not correct. If you’re taking over the personal allowance (0kg if containing meat/milk, 2kg if containing neither) then where the boilies were made will make no difference to the requirement for an Export Health Certificate issued by a DEFRA Vet after an inspection of the individual consignment you’re looking to export into the EU. Plus all the other rigmarole associated with a commercial export will apply, even if you’re not looking to sell the goods.
The country of origin will only affect the issue of whether tariffs are applied (U.K. or EU origin = no tariffs, nonEU/U.K. = tariffs payable).
Indeed boilies made in France would need to travel to the U.K. with a French EHC, and then would need. U.K. EHC to go back the other way. Well, the French will need the EHC from July - our govt have given EU exporters 6 month grace that doesn’t apply going U.K.-EU direction! Rather a kick in the teeth for U.K. manufacturers from our govt.
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#83 15 Jan 2021 at 1.55pm | | |
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In reply to Post #82
I should think so.... it's the point of origin that is the issue. The difficulty would be proving it was made within the EU.
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#82 15 Jan 2021 at 1.19pm | | |
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Heres another angle.....wonder if you can take bait into france that was made in france and exported to the uk?
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#81 15 Jan 2021 at 12.27pm | | |
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Some cheap French lakes coming on the market soon then?
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#80 15 Jan 2021 at 7.13am | | |
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In reply to Post #74
It's EU regulations, not French.
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#79 14 Jan 2021 at 8.06pm | | |
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In reply to Post #78
Just spoke to a friend in France , a bait company he uses is struggling to get ingredients now , as they relied on importing stuff from here .
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#78 14 Jan 2021 at 5.47pm | | |
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In reply to Post #75
They will have to.
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#77 14 Jan 2021 at 5.36pm | | |
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In reply to Post #76
These rules were in place prior to us leaving the EU so nothing new or surprising here.
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#76 14 Jan 2021 at 5.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #75
I'm not surprised tbh, as with pretty much everything related to our departure from the EU, forward planning and organisation for trade has been left to 'sort itself out over time'. What a dismal mess..
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#75 14 Jan 2021 at 4.28pm | | |
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Just seen that Essential has suspended taking orders from outside the UK and states this is because of the “EU’s stringent regulations”
See if any of the other companies follow.
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#74 14 Jan 2021 at 8.57am | | |
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In reply to Post #70
thing with that, and i agree, the french dont mind stuff coming to the uk its us taking it into france they have an issue with and no immigrant goes back to france
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#73 13 Jan 2021 at 8.31pm | | |
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I imagine the big bait companies will be setting up in France as we speak
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#72 13 Jan 2021 at 8.27pm | | |
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Will just have to find some good places to hide the boilies then 😜👍
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#71 13 Jan 2021 at 8.08pm | | |
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20kg of hookbaits it is then 
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#70 13 Jan 2021 at 7.58pm | | |
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In reply to Post #69
They cant stop drugs and boat loads of immigrants coming into country so how they going to stop a bit of bait lol
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#69 13 Jan 2021 at 6.57pm | | |
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In reply to Post #68
Less than 2 weeks in , things are still to new to panic . Taking food 🙄 , I always take a big curry to sort out the first night for us , but the shops and patisserie are awesome in France , so no problem for me . Bait , hmmm , inconvenient but something we have to work round , but not a major reason for me to not vote leave .
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#68 13 Jan 2021 at 4.06pm | | |
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If this thread had been posted a couple of months before the referendum, it would have been dismissed as 'project fear'.
We'll all have to suck it up and make alternative arrangements. If you want to moan about it .. take it up with a brexiter.
In reply to #54
Sealine ... after getting the poorest possible deal after the UK caved on fishing, you're still giving it the 'they need us more than we need them' cobblers? Really?
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#67 13 Jan 2021 at 3.40pm | | |
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Most seeds are also prohibited.
As stated fisheries products is in reference to fresh fish
French customs penalties FYI
https://www.codes-et-lois.fr/code-des-douanes/toc-contentieux-recouvrement-dispositions-repressives-classific-f130e56-texte-integral
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#66 13 Jan 2021 at 3.36pm | | |
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They contain dairy....which is also banned
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#65 13 Jan 2021 at 1.24pm | | |
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In reply to Post #64
a rather confusing subject hey chaps
i cant see them worrying too much about anglers carrying fishing bait..they'll be more interested in freight
time will tell i guess
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#64 13 Jan 2021 at 1.05pm | | |
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In reply to Post #63
Do all nut bait boilies contain no products of animal origin? most i have seen do contain some, and if yours didn't how would you prove they dont?
At the moment we dont know what restrictions will be put in place we will have to wait and see but if they are taken to the letter things could be very bad
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#63 13 Jan 2021 at 12.54pm | | |
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In reply to Post #62
The rules state that all POAO (products of animal origin)are banned. Therefore no amount of fish meal boilie will be allowed. If they are confiscating one ham sandwich how are they going to allow you to take 20kg of krill or any other fish meal type bait. How the customs will be able to tell the difference between a fish meal and a nut bait, remains to be seen. They will probably just take everything. Good luck to anyone trying to reason with a customs official. They are the same the world over.
Just look at the tv program about border force in Australia. They are always stopping Chinese people bring in food. We are now in the same position. It all will get confiscated and chucked in the bin, if they do any searches.
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#62 13 Jan 2021 at 12.43pm | | |
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In reply to Post #61
We covered that in the first 10 posts....
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#61 13 Jan 2021 at 12.30pm | | |
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In reply to Post #58
I think the term fishery products is causing some confusion still; it is as you say and not bait..
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#60 13 Jan 2021 at 12.15pm | | |
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In reply to Post #59
Would this include sweetcorn, frozen or tinned?
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#59 13 Jan 2021 at 12.10pm | | |
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In reply to Post #58
I did say 'if that is the limit'
Serious question....do you work in Customs and Excise or a freight forwarding company with full export knowledge?
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#58 13 Jan 2021 at 11.57am | | |
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The 20kg limit is NOT for bait, which is classed as animal feed containing ABPs. The 20kg limit is for ‘fishery products’ such as fresh or processed fish and some shellfish such as prawns, mussels and oysters. This does NOT apply to bait products.
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#57 13 Jan 2021 at 11.53am | | |
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It ain’t that simple, dry particles are subject to plant health requirements (part of the wider SPS regime) and will require Phytosanitary Certificates. Probably won’t apply to cooked particles though, but you’d be better to check with the Animal & Plant Health Agency.
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#56 13 Jan 2021 at 11.43am | | |
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Joss, to my knowledge at the moment It shouldn't make any difference to individuals with their 20kg if thats the limit but it will depend on how it's policed at the border and the information they've been given on what's allowed and what isn't.
For bait co's exporting larger amounts there's a lot more hurdles and restrictions depending on composition, amounts of ABP's and Dairy ect.....it's far from plain and simple but I wouldn't think it can be policed at that level at the passenger ports.
Even DPD have had to stop sending across because of incorrect paperwork and a backlog of refused packages and they're French owned!
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#55 13 Jan 2021 at 11.31am | | |
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Nobody is punishing us. These are the rules we helped to formulate, put into law and enforce when we were members. We left the EU of our own free will. We are now outside the protection of those laws and subject to the border regulations as are any non member state. I really hope we can avoid a decade of whingeing about how unfair it is that the EU is enforcing its laws and treating us as what we are. A foreign, non member sovereign state. Get used to it, we make a bed, we lie in it. The economic effects of EU policy decisions on the UK and its people is not the EU's problem or rightful concern. We the UK are now free to manage all our affairs and PROSPER. MIGHTILY now and in the future. Get used to being a sovereign nation. Live the dream
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#54 13 Jan 2021 at 11.08am | | |
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Going to France to fish ,you can expect it to be a given ,that you will be searched for bait and illegal imports , these being food as well as your bait.
We stand out especially when dressed in camo gear.
One glance in the vehicle will show you are an angler you will then be targeted for close inspection, all illegal imports will be confiscated, and I will be surprised if you are not fined and then charged an exorbitant fee for cost of disposal of the illegal goods you have been caught trying to smuggle into the E.U.
This is punishment for the UK leaving the E.U.
You just have to ask yourself do I want to visit such a friendly group of countries as this at all ? Be it for fishing and or holidays in general. Any one stood in a giant queue to leave a Greek island at the end of a holiday ,I can well imagine that queue twice as long ,as well as the one when you arrive.
The actual people running the EU are not elected,( the elected one are told to reconsider when they get it wrong,and invariably do as they are told,) ) so they are free to do what they like to errant members and ex-members who chose to leave their cosy Family, regardless to the economic effects on their people.
If the whole of the UK stopped going on any holidays in the EU for the next year it may encourage them to moderate their behaviour towards us.
If we do this straight away it will be so much more effective coming straight after Covid.
it should be noted that far more of us go to the EU than they come here.
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#53 13 Jan 2021 at 11.03am | | |
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That's a shame, we generally much prefer them to UK supermarkets. They have got more expensive over the years which even in your 11 years you will have noticed, sometimes this can be a bit of a shocker depending on location. They need Haloumi though!! so I agree with you on that one..
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#52 13 Jan 2021 at 11.01am | | |
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I messaged sticky baits on Instagram and they sent me the link below, if I’m correct from non European countries ( which we now are) you can take 20kg? Please correct me if I’m wrong though?
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/carry/meat-dairy-animal/index_en.htm
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#51 13 Jan 2021 at 11.00am | | |
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Pretty sure you can survive 1 week in france on their food... as others said it is part of the experience... some pate, ham, eggs, butter, cheese and few steaks and you are good to go... also pretty sure once covid **** settles down no one will be doing big checks on border anyway...
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#50 13 Jan 2021 at 10.56am | | |
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In reply to Post #44
I lived in France for over 11 years so am well experienced of what the supermarkets sell and what they don't.
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#49 13 Jan 2021 at 10.55am | | |
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In reply to Post #42
They don´t sell a lot of the English food that I like and having lived in France for over 11 years I never got used to or enjoyed much of their food.
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#48 13 Jan 2021 at 10.41am | | |
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It all seems to be an interpretation of rules set out for food for human consumption and animal feedstuffs but not specifically anglers bait for personal use.
Genuine question to anyone who may know: What did the non EU countries anglers do in the world champs at Madine etc. ? Australia for instance, did they bring bait or buy whatever they could get locally?
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#47 13 Jan 2021 at 10.18am | | |
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In reply to Post #46
ive not read all the replies on here, but taking boillies into france, am i correct in saying bait allowed in is dependant on the make up of said bait?
ie, fishmeals not permitted but nut baits are?
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#46 13 Jan 2021 at 10.17am | | |
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In reply to Post #45
Yep, no change there then..
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#45 13 Jan 2021 at 10.07am | | |
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In reply to Post #44
Dry particles it is then, cook them up on the bank
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#44 13 Jan 2021 at 10.05am | | |
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But French supermarkets stock wonderful food, no need to take anything from the UK David.. When we go we always allow a couple of hrs at Intermarche , Leclerc or even Lidl, it all adds to the experience and contributes to their economy..
The thing with bait is that it has not been considered at all by anyone so far, so anglers are just trying to make head and tail of a load of rules and guidelines set out for non fishing specific end use. Time will tell what we can and can't take, and how much.
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#43 13 Jan 2021 at 9.55am | | |
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In reply to Post #41
Unfortunately not ridiculous. We were inside the EU fence as a full member and protected by strict rules to prevent the importation of diseases such as anthrax, swine flu and foot and mouth. We have chosen to live outside the fence as a sovereign country with its own laws, currency and borders and no longer be a part of the EU. The rules have not changed. We have and we are now part of the EU's bio security threat as are all States that are non members. What we do now is our choice, as many wanted, learn to live with it and don't blame the EU for applying rules to non members as we did for over 40 years.
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#42 13 Jan 2021 at 7.57am | | |
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In reply to Post #41
Buy it in a supermarket.
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#41 13 Jan 2021 at 7.42am | | |
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In reply to Post #40
It isn´t just about taking bait that we should be worried about, there are a lot of restrictions on what food we will be allowed to take, especially those people who are doing drive and survive, all seems ridiculous!!
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#40 12 Jan 2021 at 9.07pm | | |
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In reply to Post #39
Plenty of bait companies and bait rollers in France doing quality bait.
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#39 12 Jan 2021 at 4.47pm | | |
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Some fisheries I know in France get their bait from Holland so it won’t be a problem for them, and I believe solar’s bait is rolled over there also so it might mean more business for them
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#38 12 Jan 2021 at 3.56pm | | |
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So at the moment the best business plan is to open bait shop somewhere near motorway in Calais?  plus fridge with uk bacon/butter/milk 
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#37 12 Jan 2021 at 2.29pm | | |
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In reply to Post #36
The referendum was on staying or leaving the EU not on the finer details
If we’d had the chance to vote again on the deal once Boris negotiated it then I’m sure people would have had far more information to base their subsequent vote on
No idea if it would have changed the outcome but we will never know
The real test will be when they do open the current restrictions up and anglers start going over to France again
I think more fisheries will have to roll and sell their own baits moving forward to get around the potential risk of getting boilies confiscated
Also I am doing a drive and survive this year and was planning on cooking and freezing batches of my meals in advance but I think I will also have to reconsider this and purchase fresh in France when I arrive
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#36 12 Jan 2021 at 1.13pm | | |
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I was wondering that, too. And how many who voted to leave understood the implications, as we are seeing here🤔
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#35 12 Jan 2021 at 11.27am | | |
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#34 12 Jan 2021 at 11.06am | | |
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I wonder how many forum members who fish in France voted for Brexit?
the irony is tangible.
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#33 11 Jan 2021 at 5.47pm | | |
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In reply to Post #32
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/dutch-officials-seize-ham-sandwiches-from-british-drivers?fbclid=IwAR2joodSJ-Ls4Mvhnm-BFT1bk7veNOpEgFK4JUHscN_mIOIzRKBzKkLdBoM
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#32 11 Jan 2021 at 4.41pm | | |
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Just seen a video that shows Dutch custom officials confiscating the sandwiches of uk lorry drivers entering Holland, because the sandwiches contained meat.
Doesn’t bode well
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In reply to Post #29
I find it odd how many anglers I've heard saying that nothing has changed - a huge amount has now changed in terms of the rules of coming into the EU from the UK - its whether or not the amount of checks change that is key here.
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In reply to Post #29
Because the regulations that apply to British anglers and their bait have now changed! The bait may be no different, but unless you comply with the import procedures and border checks that apply now the U.K. is outside the single market, then French customs and port health authorities will consider you are breaching the relevant EU biosecurity requirements, and you’ll be open to the relevant penalties (if caught!).
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In reply to Post #27
Re your last paragraph, nothing has actually changed as far as anglers simply going fishing and taking the same bait that they have for the last 30+ years, why is it now a bio security offence?
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#28 9 Jan 2021 at 12.24pm | | |
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Shingoose, your final sentence is the crux of the matter.
Even now with a full travel ban for non residents of France (unless you're a cross border worker), there are still British anglers coming over here to fish - even public lakes where the French aren't night fishing due to the curfew - Many carp anglers are chancers.
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#27 9 Jan 2021 at 11.00am | | |
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Agreed, this might indeed be the case that not even 2kg is allowed without full SPS controls, but it’s not entirely clear and it depends partly on composition.
A detailed reading of the regs certainly dictates that all pet food (except that for vet health reasons and then only as long as <2kg) will be subject to full SPS checks as will all animal feeds containing milk or meat products. A feed bait containing NO milk or meat is, I think, exempt at <2kg, but I can’t ascertain this for absolute certainty.
The detailed reg is here for anybody who fancies sending themselves to sleep:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32019R2122&from=EN
All a moot point probably anyway; 2kg not much use in any case.
To avoid the need for full SPS certification and border checks it is pretty much Inevitable that anglers will probably have no option but to source bait from within the EU for EU trips, and this will probably make it very difficult to get U.K. brands easily (certainly in the short/med term) or at a sensible price.
Or, depending on the level of random checks, people can take the chance on effectively smuggling bait into the EU, but I wouldn’t expect French customs taking a lenient view of that for anyone getting caught as they’d view is as a serious bio-security offence.
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In reply to Post #24
I think most commercial fisheries will now supply bait to visiting anglers.
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If 48% get waved through, while 52% get their bait confiscated, fined, and their bodily orifices inspected for hidden pop-ups, it would seem fair.
Just hope the French customs officers can tell who's who.
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In reply to Post #23
Perhaps Eastenders will diversify into selling bait rather just cheap beer and wine
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In reply to Post #22
As said, the official look on this is no bait would be allowed. I think even the 2kg is dubious as I believe that relates to specialist pet food for dogs with special dietary needs for example.
The question is, will they police it? And what will the penalties be? and thats not going to be answered for a while.
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It’s a maximum of 2kg for personal use, as any bait containing animal by-products (such as fish meal, eggs, milk proteins) are themselves classed as ‘animal products’ (or more accurately animal feeds containing ABPs) the same as pet food. See the link below.
https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animalproducts/personal_imports_en
For more than 2kg you will need an Export Health Certificate, certified by a DEFRA vet (after providing documentary proof of clear microbiological tests) and the goods will have to go for inspection at an EU Border Control Post for Sanitary and Phytosanitary checks. You also have to notify the BCP 48hrs in advance of your arrival and be registered in the EU as an authorised exporter of ABP products to the EU.
Or, the goods will be confiscated.
PS. The limit is NOT 20kg, that’s for ‘fishery products’ (e.g. fresh fish or shellfish) which is not what bait is classed as.
This is as things stand currently. Welcome to Boris’s new world.
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In reply to Post #20
Not that I'm aware of no....I think travel will need to start again and get people going over to see how it's being policed at Calais
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#20 8 Jan 2021 at 11.42am | | |
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Has there been any definitive guidance on this yet?.
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In reply to Post #14
Message surpressed as my interpretation was wrong, good accountant I am. 
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In reply to Post #17
No problem
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In reply to Post #16
Thats great JK, thanks very much. That's one potential issue gone.
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In reply to Post #14
I'll also put this link up for you to read....better from the horse's mouth than from me....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroad#collection-by-customer
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Hi Jim, you're correct ref VAT on imports to France. I guess if you were VAT registered you would just claim that back as usual but I don't know enough about the French system to know whether there's another way round it.
I'm speaking to someone next week and hope to find out a bit more...you're not alone in your thoughts
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In reply to Post #9
Will do David.
Question for you JK, sounds like you run a bait company.
It seems that all imports from the UK will be subject to French VAT. Will you be able to export VAT free to a company that isn't VAT registered in France? I'm trying to get my head around how we can avoid paying two lots of VAT. I presume that no VAT gets charged by the company that is exporting from the UK?
Amazon UK seem to be deducting VAT for orders to France and then charging basically the same amount as 'duties'.
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Hi Jimmy, I realised this morning who you were (MDM in your username gave me a clue ). Spoke to your Dad many years ago and glad that you are still doing well in France. I misread your posting about bait, so am no longer confused (lol). Please pass on my best wishes to your Dad.
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#12 30 Dec 2020 at 7.29pm | | |
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I'm Oldfellah's son Dave 15 years out here now!
We all need luck for 2021!
I'm sceptical that bringing 30kg of fishing bait full of fishmeal, eggs and dairy products will be permitted when youre not allowed to bring a pack of bacon, bottle of milk or a bag of pedigree chum with you (and those are facts being discussed widely amongst expats and second home owners).
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying is confusing about one of my posts?
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#11 30 Dec 2020 at 6.49pm | | |
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Personally I don´t think it will apply to fishing baits, I could be wrong though. Jim I think your post is confusing maybe the same as the new rules, assume you might be a new lake operator in France (only a few recent posts on the forum), if you are good luck for 2021!!
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#10 30 Dec 2020 at 5.49pm | | |
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It's sending me round the bend but probably because I'm trying to pre-empt what will happen but we'll find out soon enough as you say!
You are right, fisheries produce likely means fish and shellfish and products more closely linked to them than bait.
The closest thing to animal feed on the permitted list for tourists is pet food but only if it is for health reasons.
If the French decide to police this I just can't see bait getting through bu again, as you say let's wait and see.
Hopefully exporting bait in bulk to us guys on the continent will be feasible (and not just for the big boys) and the measures youre taking are sufficient.
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I think we'd all be intersted in a definite answer Jim to be fair and i'm old enough to of lost the milk and bacon on more than one occasion way back when!
Their use of the word 'fisheries' doesn't mean carp/freshwater fisheries and bait is deemed and included in Animal Feed.
I've spent a fair chunk of my time this year getting bait labelling to EU standards so i've got a reasonable grip on things but it doesn't make me an expert by any means....
Sending bait to you at your lake or to a French shop for resale with the appropriate labelling and paperwork is a different thing to guys turning up at Calais with 40kg of their chosen carp slayer in air dry bags.
Until we know its not necessary and because individually it's a relatively small amount, common sense would maybe say to have the appropriate labelling or information to hand just in case the question is asked....?
Who knows....the French love a rule so maybe there will be limits on personal use that you can take through....anything is possible and guess we'll have to wait a bit and see what happens.
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In reply to Post #7
Clearly if the European markets are of a worthwhile size then companies will begin manufacturing on the continent. This may or may not affect sales in UK depending on where sales volumes lie. Could result in job losses in UK. Let's hope not.
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If bait isn't included as fishery products then its likely to come under meat and dairy which is a complete ban. Just about every bait contains milk eggs or dairy. Bait in unmarked bags is likely not to be permitted at all.
The links I sent are very clear on meat, dairy and products containing them and expecting fishing bait to be specifically referenced at any time in the near future or ever is very unlikely. I assure you I'm not scaremongering here and have said in every comment that these rules may not be policed however I think acknowledging the new rules that are coming into place is an important issue - if the French customs do decide to strictly police this then we all need to know what the rules are.
I'd love to be wrong on this and very interested/open to anyone who can provide sources which state that bait shan't be am issue if your subject to a customs inspection.
On a side note - Lots of the bait makers seem to be assuring their customers on the continent that shipping to them won't be an issue next year, hopefully they're right and there isn't new red tape thrown up but I'm less confident myself from the research I've done so far. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
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In reply to Post #5
Nothing specific there tbh but pretty sure the 20kg of "Fishery Products" is whole produce from the sea.....
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In reply to Post #4
https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/2020-12/23/Brochure-voyageurs-Brexit-23122020.pdf
That specifically mentions meat and dairy.
https://www.douane.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/uploads/files/Documentations-Brochures/Langues-etrangeres/Trouble-free-travel-with-french-customs.pdf
Thats a general French customs guide dated back to 2016 and includes the 20kg of 'fishery products".
As far as I'm aware the UK is to be treated as a third country unless otherwise stated so all/most of these rules will now apply to travelers from the UK.
As I say, whether this is going to be policed is another matter.
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#4 30 Dec 2020 at 12.15pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3
The 20kg limit is the new official allowance for bait from next year, meat and dairy are now prohibited from being transported into France from the UK.
Where have you got that from Jimmy?
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In reply to Post #1
The 20kg limit is the new official allowance for bait from next year, meat and dairy are now prohibited from being transported into France from the UK.
There has been no rules prohibiting bait or meat/dairy until now.
Whether or not any of this will be policed by the Douanes is another question.
If they do police it then I'm not sure how boilies in unmarked bags or bags marked up with ingredients that include meat/dairy will be treated.
It's going to be a very interesting first year and much depends upon the French customs and whether or not they enforce the new rules.
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#2 22 Dec 2020 at 10.22am | | |
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These rules have been in for years, no dairy products etc. During the foot and mouth era we made labels up in french stating the boilies contained no dairy products, whether or not it will be policed more after brexit only time will tell. 
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https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animalproducts/personal_imports_en
Have you seen above site, or did you know about certain food restrictions in EU, like meat, milk and their products.
Below is taken from the above site, Im not sure if Ive read it correctly, or that it affects our sport, ie boilies!!
Its an interesting read.
"For fishery products (including fish and certain shellfish such as prawns, lobsters, dead mussels and dead oysters), travellers are allowed to bring in up to 20 kilograms"
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