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   Old Thread  #152 19 Jan 2021 at 12.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct Winkler and again this works out against small businesses in general.
If you're not VAT registered then you can't zero rate VAT for export but France will still slap VAT on over a certain value I believe (I'm not 100% on this as I know that for smaller lower value items this can be avoided but I think there is a cap on this and it still needs to be applied over a certain amount)
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   Old Thread  #151 19 Jan 2021 at 12.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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its a substantial amount of bait and revenue mate.

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   Old Thread  #150 19 Jan 2021 at 12.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes 20kg is a minimum here, 30kg is usual for boilies alone.
I also suspect that more than 1000 anglers cross the border each week during the season.
Working out the numbers involved also validates the EU'S stance on bait. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking its just a few bags here and there in the back of peoples vans but 700-1000+ tons a year is not an inconsiderable amount.
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   Old Thread  #149 19 Jan 2021 at 12.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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An earlier post but you should not be charged VAT on any UK export now, unlike prior to the 1st Jan. You will of course pay duties there in France including handling fees no doubt..
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   Old Thread  #148 19 Jan 2021 at 12.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That looks reasonable to me, as an average probably about right. If you were to include hookbaits, liquids, pellets, particles, it is a viable business opportunity..
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   Old Thread  #147 19 Jan 2021 at 12.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i know on my trips bait is an average of 40Kg per angler...
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   Old Thread  #146 19 Jan 2021 at 12.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Say 1000 anglers come over each week (no idea how many come over, anyone know?) all with 20kg (conservative) that's 20 tons a week by my calculation. All paying say £7 a kg on average that'd be 140k worth of trade a week for the industry or nearly £5 million in a 35 week season.

Those numbers seem right to everyone?
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   Old Thread  #145 19 Jan 2021 at 11.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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regarding overseas bait sales,

its high, as people generally take alot more per week than they do in their uk angling..
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   Old Thread  #144 19 Jan 2021 at 10.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I voted leave , and without doubt things are cropping up that people did not realise , but I always thought it would be a bit chaotic for the first 6 months at least , with people having to change in many ways . The bait thing , within 12 hours I'd arranged bait to be picked up over there , and even if it's not what I use over here, it's not a bad replacement .
I feel for the people in the well thought out posts below, like smaller businesses effected etc , although I'm not sure what percentage of the average bait company's income is reliant on overseas sales , perhaps someone knows ?.

Polish going home ? , I work with loads , lots are only here short term , and with the work place availability over there changing some friends have gone home , brexit or not .

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   Old Thread  #143 19 Jan 2021 at 9.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on..
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   Old Thread  #142 19 Jan 2021 at 8.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Jon,

That's the point. They lyed. They either knew they were lying, or they were so incompetent they believed what they were saying to us.

Personally, I believe that those at the top of Vote Leave and Brexit knew they were being untruthful about the promises of "sunny uplands" and the "easiest deal in history" "and" have our cake and eat it" etc etc because they were bankrolled and funded by big businesses and parties with vested interests to crush the little man. "Fred in his shed" (see below) and individual small business isn't a commercial threat individually, but combined they are.

Those few convinced a lot of the others to follow in their plan.

What amazes me is those who voted leave routinely say "shut up about brexit" when they won! . Surely they should be gloating about the win, now they have what they wanted!

I don't pretend to have seen all the consequences of Brexit, but I voted remain, not because I believed in the EU, but because I didn't believe Farage et el and did not want to upset the status quo. The rules of unintended consequences always occurs when you make a big change, ask the bloody fisherman!

Back to bait, there will be big opportunities for some parties, subject to having investment, to set up a food reliable bait company in Northern France.

Anglers who think they will "just buy the lake specials" are being short sighted. Most lakes run by English operators get (or did get!) their bait from UK suppliers (often small businesses). Therefore they will be in the same boat and can't get their bait until they are able to source an alternative supplier in the EU. No doubt they will pay more and pas that on to the angler.

In the scheme of things its a small consequence of Brexit. But I am yet to find any real benefit to Brexit. Oh wait..

The polish bloke up the road has gone home.(see below)

I can't get nicked for speeding in France by camera anymore

"sovereignty"

And Farage isn't on the TV anymore!

That's about it so far!
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   Old Thread  #141 19 Jan 2021 at 8.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe people actually believed the serious politicians, including the Prime Minister, who constantly looked the public in the eye while telling them 'there will be no downsides to brexit', 'no ones talking about leaving the single market', have our cake and eat it', 'easiest deal in history', 'they need us more than we need them' etc etc etc
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   Old Thread  #140 19 Jan 2021 at 8.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
What I donít get is that weíve had nearly 5? years, since the referendum, to get things sorted before 1st January this year 🤷🏻‍♂️

These rules have always applied to countries outside the EU and they are not new rules that were made up on 1st Jan. Other countries outside the EU still seem to get their products into the EU and have their processes in place.

But us being the typical British have waited until the last minute and now flapping, huffing and puffing about not having the right paperwork to get some boilies into the EU 😂. The rules are the rules and they have been there for a long time. People like Mainline, Nash, CCMoore etc could of easily of gotten all the relevant paperwork in place so they can export their products. Now itís been left until the last minute itís going to be a big rush and no doubt big costs now to get everything needed in place. Probably hoping for a deal to be put in place and didnít bother to prepare themselves for a no deal

And unfortunately all of these extra cost will be passed on to us customers
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   Old Thread  #139 19 Jan 2021 at 8.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The demise of the small businesses first as a result of Brexit is sad but hardly surprising, and they have every reason to be angry about it if they didn't vote leave. Increased costs and problems importing and exporting were a pretty obvious consequence of leaving the EU.
Seeing the fishing industry protesting in London yesterday about the consequences of Brexit when they were one of the most vocal leave-supporting industries, sailing Farage up the Thames for a bit of publicity, was as tragic as it was funny. I wonder how many of them wanted 'no deal', which would have been even worse for their businesses.
Brexit is a massive opportunity for EU bait manufacturers, which may not amount to much in the grand scheme of things, but the same scenario will play out across thousands of other industries as EU businesses and consumers seek mainland EU suppliers as an alternative to buying from the UK.

But hey, that Polish bloke who lived up the road has ****ed off back home, so it's well worth it, eh?
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   Old Thread  #138 19 Jan 2021 at 6.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bait shouldn't have been a reason to make you vote either way you're right, however being a member of several Expat groups on Facebook there's a clear pattern forming which I find sad. The larger companies in various different sectors are able to afford the extra man hours and investment into cutting through the red tape, the people left behind are going to be the smaller companies that can't - I've seen a lot of people looking down their nose at 'Freds in sheds' but that's where a lot of businesses start out and there's never been shame in any business staying small (quite the contrary in fact - small businesses often thrive by offering superior and bespoke products and services).
I read an interesting article yesterday by a UK>EU removals firm detailing all the paperwork now needed and predicting the end to 'man and a van' operations due to the administration needed to clear customs which is just one of the many examples to show that less than three weeks in and the signs are its nibbling away at cross border business already, with the little men set to fall first as always.
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