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   Old Thread  #40 22 Dec 2020 at 5.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very very rare do I use lead clips as the lakes I fish are pretty much open or I fish my local canal from may to September anyway,I feel for me personally I have no need to use a lead clip.
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   Old Thread  #39 22 Dec 2020 at 5.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Used it twice and it worked for me. I was told by the local tackle shop that whiplash sank and found it didn't. Having spent the money on 3 reels worth had to try something. On those 2 occasions it felt like reeling in fluoro.
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   Old Thread  #38 22 Dec 2020 at 4.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It makes ordinary whiplash sink ?
Do people who use braid use it in all situations ?
I use fluro for close range and on ressies with a flat bottom , no features etc
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   Old Thread  #37 21 Dec 2020 at 6.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't know whether it will work with the Gardner but a treatment with Kryston Greased Lightning certainly worked on Whiplash for me.
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   Old Thread  #36 21 Dec 2020 at 5.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I understand what your saying I use running rigs and Fluoro for short range fishing
Bough some Gardner braid and I canít get it to sink
I havenít used it , only placed it along a margin
Maybe with a bit of use
So whatís your thoughts when used with back leads
Would the sensitivity suffer? It shouldnít in theory just two tubes 😂
I canít stand using them , but have tried on a ressie to combat undertow
My Confidence in them is low

Edit when a say fixed lead Iím talking semi fixed with semi tight lines
So once the lead is lifted , then surely the line would behave the same
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   Old Thread  #35 29 Nov 2020 at 6.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Think of running leads with slack lines as the line is free running through a tube. Until you have pulled up the slack, it comes easily.
Now think of the same with a semi-fixed lead, or running (bolt rig) with a tight line to the rod tip, it is harder to pull.

Now equate that to indication, the running lead and slack line, the carp is taking line through that 'tube', on any movement, whichever direction it swims. You will get a bleep, indicator movement, until the slack line is pulled tight.

A semi-fixed lead on tight line is trying to 'cut through' the water.
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   Old Thread  #34 29 Nov 2020 at 9.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Andy, food for thought for me.
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   Old Thread  #33 28 Nov 2020 at 1.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Read lots of arguments , Iím sure if there was a way they was superior and stood out
we would all use it
Canít get my head around slack lining dynamics and that itís more sensitive
A fixed lead would still have the same dynamics with water resistance on the line?
Donít get me wrong I use semi slack and slackish lines all the time
This dosnt make me right
Think sometimes it just surprising Mr carp thatís the difference
The only item of tackle Iíve ever found to make a difference so far is a hook😂
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   Old Thread  #32 22 Nov 2020 at 5.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've fished at 100yds+ with light bobbins and slack lines to good effect. Personally I wouldn't be using a light lead if dropping from a boat at range. The chances of getting back to the bank without having dragged the rig along the bottom would be remote IMO.
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   Old Thread  #31 22 Nov 2020 at 10.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think unless the line is very slack and using a light bobbin the lead more often than not moves but the big advantage apart from better indication over a say a lead clip as i think you and others have said its harder for the fish to use the lead to shake the hook out as it slides away
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   Old Thread  #30 22 Nov 2020 at 9.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Light bobbins even if fishing at range after dropping rigs via a boat Andy like the OP?
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   Old Thread  #29 22 Nov 2020 at 9.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think that the weight of the bobbin is more important for bite detection than lead size or whether it's fixed or running. Light bobbins all the way for me.
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   Old Thread  #28 22 Nov 2020 at 9.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep, imagine what happens when the big girls get about our rigs! Carnage...
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   Old Thread  #27 22 Nov 2020 at 9.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have used running rigs on and off since I started fishing from 1/2oz right up and they all work, it's about the situations you face.
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   Old Thread  #26 22 Nov 2020 at 9.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly. A fish of 2lb is lifting a 4oz lead up off the deck as it moves off after being hooked. Iíd say if anything the heavier the weight bouncing on the line could be a hinderance and could rip a hook free.
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