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   Old Thread  #26 16 Oct 2020 at 11.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They did Ďliven upí in the right conditions, a few days in the polythene freezer bag, and go sticky or tacky

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   Old Thread  #25 15 Oct 2020 at 8.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe part of it was:
Single cell proteins + loads of sugars + no preservatives = bacteria party
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   Old Thread  #24 15 Oct 2020 at 7.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I would also add that richworth tutti were once effective in winter due to the fact that bright orange baits hadnít been done and that carp were under less pressure. Nowadays bright things are often the kiss of death (think bright hookbaits at this stage in the year). I never use sweet corn (I know Iím mental right) because every other angler piles it in. But I do find Iím getting more bites and faster bites by avoiding colour! By the spring it may well have all changed Again


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   Old Thread  #23 15 Oct 2020 at 5.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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With the richworths, the clever use of sweetners took away any bitterness from either the high flavour levels used, and the Pruteen.

So was it just a taste thing with the sweeteners, or a nutritious thing for either protein, or carbs, or a clever combo of all three ?

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   Old Thread  #22 15 Oct 2020 at 2.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A lot of people seem to miss the fact that the early very successful richworth baits were based on putreen and were freezer baits. Originally 50/50 meant 50% protein 50% none protein and not 50% semolina and 50% soya that people understand today.

Since the production of putreen ceased have there baits ever been as successful and have there shelf life baits ever been as effective as the frozen... No they haven't even though later frozen tutti baits were still reasonably effective... And that comment comes from a confirmed flavour user.
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   Old Thread  #21 15 Oct 2020 at 1.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the pigs didnít like the taste.

Theyīd happily munch on cadavers
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   Old Thread  #20 15 Oct 2020 at 1.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This is great advice 👍🏻 Although I like to use WPC80 and Calcium in winter / all year around and had great results in doing so.
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   Old Thread  #19 15 Oct 2020 at 1.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ICIís Pruteen pig feed. Which was discontinued as the pigs didnít like the taste.
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   Old Thread  #18 15 Oct 2020 at 12.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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''bits of crap''

yeah including ingredients that actually give a rounded diet for mr carp never sounded like a good idea to me either.
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   Old Thread  #17 15 Oct 2020 at 12.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I did better on other baits at the time

Was the original really that good or rose tinted spectacles

If it was so good how come its not so good now? Maybe because the carp have got used to a better diet
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   Old Thread  #16 15 Oct 2020 at 12.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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" bits of crap being included"

You can actually make a good bait better
Was Richworths original TF basemix a 50/50 or 3-way split ?
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   Old Thread  #15 15 Oct 2020 at 11.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
One wonders how the original frozen Richworth Tutti Frutti outfished all other winter baits by a long shot without all these bits of crap being included.

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   Old Thread  #14 15 Oct 2020 at 11.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Celmanax is bioactive and it looks like it helps break down the carbs in the bait. I am not sure it is attractive to carp in itself (which some yeasts are). My use is limited at the moment but plan to use more going forward and once my bait works with it try it without and see if it makes a difference
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   Old Thread  #13 15 Oct 2020 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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" Finally add 10ml/kg of Celmanax "

Interesting! What would Cellmanax add to the bait that the yeast will not?
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   Old Thread  #12 15 Oct 2020 at 7.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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thanks for this input, my fishmeal has 50ml or krill hydro and salmon oil so this backs up my theory on my fishmeal bait, it contains nectablend so it has a lovely coarse texture to allow leakage. i left a few in a big bowl of water for a couple of hours and a lovely haze of attraction leaked off, i know its different in a lake due to pressure etc but it still filled me with confidence.

i will have a look at including acid rennet and boosting the attraction package.
might me that i test it over the next few months and start using it properly next year.
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