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   Old Thread  #36 15 Oct 2020 at 6.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I keep a pair of cutters in my tackle box specifically for hooks that look like the will be difficult to remove. If it doesn't move from a touch with forceps, then the hook is being cut.

I think the last fish I had to cut a hook to remove it was back in 2009, when a long shank hook went in, and the point was sticking out and round after hooking in the mouth. The hook was effectively stuck in position, so far less damage to cut the shank as far down as possible and gently pull the point and bend out.

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   Old Thread  #35 14 Oct 2020 at 11.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally agree with you mate it's not the hook it's the angler using them trying to bully them in
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   Old Thread  #34 14 Oct 2020 at 4.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think mouth damage has a lot more to do with the way people remove the hook and play the fish rather than anything else.
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   Old Thread  #33 14 Oct 2020 at 0.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
all i use is longshanks even on choddys, and i never ever get mouth damage
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   Old Thread  #32 13 Oct 2020 at 11.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gerry has it spot on in the majority. Normal straight shank Longshank hooks are much less of a problem when it comes to damage potential, but the long shanked curved patterns such as the Longshank Nailer, Fox Series 5, 360 patterns, etc do have the tendency to double hook should the fish be on the smaller size or have smaller mouth's due to the way the hook has a larger radius to rotate around if the hookhold become loose on a slackish line after netting etc in the same way a traditional bent hook can. This is the reason I always have a pair of side cutters in my unhooking kit as the same can happen with standard hook patterns also (although much lesser risk).
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   Old Thread  #31 13 Oct 2020 at 6.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thereís some pretty big fish out there with small mouths, and some doubles with huge mouths.
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   Old Thread  #30 13 Oct 2020 at 6.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Please explain?
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   Old Thread  #29 13 Oct 2020 at 5.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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your completely missing the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>its the SIZE of the mouth thats important mate
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   Old Thread  #28 13 Oct 2020 at 4.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed 👍🎣🇫🇷
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   Old Thread  #27 13 Oct 2020 at 4.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A double in a gravel pit is going to have a much tougher mouth than a 30lb fish in a silty water.

Surely your use of longshanks should be water/topography dependant going by your own logic?
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   Old Thread  #25 13 Oct 2020 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím sure youíre right that the way a fish is played can and does sometimes cause extra damage, but think about what happens when a carp is trying to turn.
The hook is embedded in the carpís lip (hopefully), so the further away the hook eye is from the point, the more leverage and twist is exerted on the hook point.
Add to that an oversize hook relative to fish size, the longer hook shank catching on the net, the increased chance of double hooking that some anglers have witnessed and itís no wonder that fishery owners often specify limits on hook patterns, sizes, and tackle.
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   Old Thread  #24 13 Oct 2020 at 2.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hmm, my opinion, I've used Long Shank Hooks since Fox brought them out in the 90's and I've never had a problem with them, but like Gerry has said I think there is a definate issue which I think is due to size of hook to size of fish.
I normally only fish for doubles on the whole, use a size 8, no issues with singles/doubles or bigger, though can slip if a lot bigger (as can any smaller hook). Abroad where I expect the fish to be bigger I fish a size 4, again no issues.

I do think Long Shank can cuase problems if used incorrectly, as for the super LS, curved or straight, I wouldn't use them.
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   Old Thread  #23 13 Oct 2020 at 1.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
PESONAL CHOICE !
I will only use long shank hooks now on waters where the average size is over 30lb no **** will convince me that a long shank hook in double figure fish does not cause damage ..............as I know it does !! and there is no advantage just disadvantages IMHO

but in big fish it dont happen though ?
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   Old Thread  #22 13 Oct 2020 at 11.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Never had issues with long shank hooks personally.
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   Old Thread  #21 12 Oct 2020 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I Agree at least cut the hooklink or remove with a quicklink
Iíve had crimps catch on the net to be honest
Longshank hooks can and do get caught in the net
Got to applaud cutting the hook 👍🏻
Just comes down to each individual judging whatís acceptable
Remember it is a hook and it can damage the fish
Iím sure Iím not alone when it goes wrong , fail hooking etc
Leaves me sick to the stomach
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