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   Old Thread  #77 8 Oct 2020 at 8.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #76 8 Oct 2020 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #75 8 Oct 2020 at 7.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That was a quick trip to the naughty step...welcome back!
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   Old Thread  #74 8 Oct 2020 at 7.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I must admit reading through all the posts something just isnít kosher 🤔

A lot of us when fishing the U.K. on certain venues hardly sleep due to 3am visitors after your gear .
One of the reasons I liked fishing in France so much a few years ago 8 weeks a year .

I hope those that have been turned over have some better luck and a satisfactory outcome but I canít see a happy outcome .
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   Old Thread  #73 8 Oct 2020 at 1.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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french thieves? wouldnt be so sure about that! Who knows lake, paths, cctv etc better than people already fishing there? if they really blocked the guy and ignore him than that is very very bad/sad...
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   Old Thread  #72 8 Oct 2020 at 1.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Followed this a little bit and the anglers concerned still havent been contacted by Crete Lakes, at least not by yesterday , in fact i've seen posts that state they have been blocked by Crete on their social media sites. That doesn't sound right to me.
The angler who's gear was taken has said they showed the bailiff the holes in the fence where they entered and in fact followed tracks back through the fence to where they think the gear was loaded up into a vehicle. Again something not right.. And why were the police not informed immediately , if indeed they have been informed at all???

Like i said theres something about this that doesn't add up at all ..
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   Old Thread  #71 8 Oct 2020 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
After investigating we are fully aware of how the thieves got in which was with a ladder. As many of you will know we have CCTV dotted around the venue but it was unfortunate that it was not in the said area,
Something just doesnít add up here....

Now Crete lakes say after there investigation they are fully aware the thieves used a ladder, but in the next sentence explain how the said area was unfortunate not to have cctv....

So how do they definitely know they used a ladder if no cctv was in this area...

Who done the investigation ??? The balifffs ( do these get police background checks upon applying for this role. etc?).. not ideal if it was an inside job..
Why did they not call police immediately ?

Something doesnít feel right about this,,THE ANGLER WHOS GEAR WAS STOLEN...STATED ONLY THE BAILIFFS CAME IN HIS SWIM ALL WEEK AND HIS GEAR WASNT VISIBLE FROM BEHIND THE FENCE??AND THE THIEVES KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WAS AFTER !!!!

Coincidence they target an area with no cctv?? How wouid they know this without scoping out the venue??surely thereís cctv footage on the complex if this is the case with said thieves scoping the place..

Coincidence the thieves knew to strike at mealtime when the anglers go for there evening meal..

If there was an hole in the fence why the **** wouid they use a ladder???

Really feel for the anglers involved, I very much doubt they will see insurance payout if you leave your gear unattended..

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   Old Thread  #70 8 Oct 2020 at 1.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your not missing anything. Nail on head.

Ladder access - Crete lakes certainly not liable. Taken all reasonable steps

Hole in fence access-Crete Lakes very possibly liable.Site not secure as advertised and anglers not warned.

Phone police= Official report generated including how access obtained by the thieves.

Draw your own conclusions from the evidence and contrasting versions of events!

I'm going to leave this here. Said my bit.
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   Old Thread  #69 8 Oct 2020 at 12.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No idea where crete lakes is, but when I was at Abbey in August dave said there had been a lot of tackle thefts in the area, and although they themselves hadn't had any they were warning everyone, and also making us wear wrist bands and have car stickers in just incase. So maybe the French thieves have realised there's a lot of money to be made robbing us English on holiday over there
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   Old Thread  #68 8 Oct 2020 at 12.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
You have to feel sorry for the lads who had there gear stolen
and also the people who have turned into Poirot to help the rest of us understand how these things work ..English / French law etc etc
but somethings just doesn't sound right or was just handled wrong at the time ?
why would you not call the police immediately as a serious crime has been commited on your property ?
surely the 1st thing you do is phone the police ?
and am i missing something with the ladder how do they know they used a ladder ? ...if you know they used a ladder you must have footage ? ..something to show the police
would be alot easier to go through a hole in the fence ...but then again having an unrepaired fence means you are liable ? ...this could be a game changer for alot of fisheries in france about leaving your gear to go and have your meals etc etc
Any way i hope the anglers involved get some kind of compensation and it would be nice for Crete Lakes to provide it as going by some of the posts on how much they take a year and are legal ..im sure the owner really doesn't want this bad publicity
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   Old Thread  #67 8 Oct 2020 at 9.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just to clarify... I am not "blaming" (that word again!) Crete Lakes. I am pointing out that they could well have some liability in English Law If the contract was made in England.

Read my posts. I am making a distinction between legal liability and "blame". Its all to do with risk allocation and the contractual promise.

There are a number of situations in English law where a party can be liable without necessarily being to "blame" particularly so if that party is a commercial organisation provide service to the public.

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   Old Thread  #66 8 Oct 2020 at 8.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree.

Also the Crete Lakes Website gives a UK trading address.

The contract will be between the angler and who they paid. If they paid in sterling there is a good chance its the UK company.

If there is another "contract" between the UK company and a French one that has nothing to do with the angler.

A good example is Premier Inns. They are owned by Whitbread the brewery. But each hotel is its own separate company. The pinter books with Premier Inn (main company) not the individual site company. A lot of the individual site companies of Premier Inn are offshore.
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   Old Thread  #65 8 Oct 2020 at 8.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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David,

There is a UK company called Dream Lakes Ltd registered in Colchester.

Not saying it has anything to do with the French company, but it could have.🤔


You see my point I hope! 🤔

If it's legal its legal!
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   Old Thread  #64 8 Oct 2020 at 8.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry if I have gone off topic on this, agreed there are all sorts of ways the organisation(s) could be structured, the only assets that Crete Lakes Limited own are a vehicle and fixtures and fittings (less than 4k) so they do not own the fishery, fish stocks, land or buildings. It would be interesting to hear from somebody that has booked with Crete Lakes to determine who they have been invoiced by. My point here is that the people who have had their tackle stolen need to be sure who they made a contract with when they booked their holiday?
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   Old Thread  #63 8 Oct 2020 at 8.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does make me wonder what will happen after 31st December though on such arrangements!!!!!
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