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   Old Thread  #229 18 Oct 2020 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #227 18 Oct 2020 at 3.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Youíve mellowed young Dave 😂
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   Old Thread  #226 17 Oct 2020 at 9.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #225 16 Oct 2020 at 1.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #224 15 Oct 2020 at 10.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #223 15 Oct 2020 at 10.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #222 15 Oct 2020 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well after watching and listening to all this drivel I say that Keith's well and truly in the wrong and he not only done this once but a few weeks on the bounce to different partys.

I have watched Keith build this fishery for years through bait company's

moorlands live system to caviar and black pepper eclispes bait days to the more recent mad baits. I've watched his fish grow and gone from strength to strength to forum members actually moving there family's to France to work on his fishery.

Im really not sure why he as done this maybe his head fell off due to loss of revenue because of corvid or he just got greedy im not sure but there is one thing for sure I had always planned to go to France to fish moorlands one day but I feel that when you book a trip your putting trust in a owner of a fishery when paying your hard earned money and you want what you payed for after this I wont ever be booking there as for us northern lads it would be 12 to 14 hour drive to not have water or fish or even be notified or refunded is shameful at best.

I'm sorry to say that when your reputation goes in the fishing world so does your business look at jamie infinity baits enough said. All best Keith and I hope you learn from your mistakes.
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   Old Thread  #221 15 Oct 2020 at 8.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I must admit driving with alcohol in your blood is serious in the U.K. but in France 🇫🇷 the penalties are far higher .
Ridiculous situation 😔
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   Old Thread  #219 15 Oct 2020 at 7.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shouldíve stood firm until the police arrived and explained the drink drive situation.
That couldíve resulted in you being nicked down the road or being killed in an accident. You could go round in circles in regards to the lake being empty but to force you to break the law and endanger your lives is shocking. Hats off to you for not putting him in what lake there was left
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   Old Thread  #218 15 Oct 2020 at 7.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You are correct that we offered to accept 750 euros but that was to leave the lake and cover the cost of moving to another lake. Keith failed to pay the full 750 and still hasn't to this day. We had also agreed to stay the night, which is very common practice at Moorlands and the reason we travelled down on a Friday. We had also booked a meal which was cooked and ready for us. Keith suddenly decided he wanted us to leave and threatened to call the police if we didn't. This was all despite the fact he had served us 3 rounds of alcoholic drinks!! So i would suggest legally Keith failed to meet the terms of the deal and had we pursued a full refund i believe we would have stood a very good chance.

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   Old Thread  #217 15 Oct 2020 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice honest reply , no hard feelings itís all water under the bridge David 👍
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   Old Thread  #216 15 Oct 2020 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Jon, appreciated!
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   Old Thread  #215 15 Oct 2020 at 7.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi David

"I might not have been the most liked poster on the forum"

Yeah right, your rep is your a complete ****er on here.....

One of the most honest and fair members we have imo

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   Old Thread  #214 15 Oct 2020 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Evening Fred, in response to your comment about me the simple reply to the first part of your comment is yes probably and yes (forum member) and entitled to add my 2 penneth.

As I am sure you will remember (many years ago) I was outspoken about a lot of fisheries, not sure if you remember my reason for giving up a good living and living my dream running a carp fishery in France? The reason was simple, false advertising annoyed me so much that I made the move and 18 years after starting the venue it is now 1 of the most successful in France and many people still go there year after year, even 8 years after I sold up. I can take pride in establishing a fishery that is well respected and has never attracted the adverse comments that some fisheries have received recently and prior, even though I might not have been the most liked poster on the forum, but 1 thing I did was always speak the truth!!

Can you imagine starting a venue in a foreign country and then losing all of your fish a few months before you were due to open? Having to borrow so much money to restock a lake, telling all your customers what had happened, 6 months later having to close your lake temporarily, renting another lake to try and honour bookings and again having to tell all of your customers what had happened, trust me none of it was easy! I might not be a saint but my honesty was appreciated by my customers!

If your comment is directed at my trading in France but not being registered in France but properly registered in the UK, then I will hold my hands up to that. I thought I had done my homework before I opened my venue after speaking to a few established fishery owners in France and with my accountancy background thought I was operating the business properly and then in 2010 found according to the French tax authorities I had not complied with French tax laws and after a 1 year process had to pay a 6 figure sum settlement, my retirement plans ruined!

I knew of venues then that were not registered anywhere and still know of a few that are still breaking the tax laws, but did I shop them no, of course not, but as you say I am no saint!

The Moorlands episode brought the keyboard warrior in me back to life, some of my long established customers being conned and not told the truth and not offered any compensation, almost making me feel like starting another venue again.

Hopefully I might get 1 or more thumbs ups to my comment!
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   Old Thread  #213 15 Oct 2020 at 6.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Wow, this thread makes pretty sad reading. It would seem this has been going on for a while too, this is the first I have seen of it today. Did the original group ever get a refund? How to shoot yourself in the foot very badly, by K Moors. Surely even in Covid times, it would surely be better for businesses sake to take the hit and give the poor blokes a refund?

The Carp world is a very small one in reality, this will damage his lakes future business immeasurably. None of it makes great reading for potential paying customers. It may have some big ex river fish in it... But no one is going to want to pay out a lot of money, a long time in advance, when the person you are doing your business with, has the morals of a sewer rat.

I only took an interest in even looking at this thread, as Mr Moors once showed up on a photograph on our work page with some of his cronies, crying about fish care/safety. The photo, was a brace shot, of two very big carp, caught by a very good angler, from a large no fishing lake in London. Apparently you should not photograph two fish together though... Even when there are others there helping. The comments were deleted though, when I asked Mr Moors what the fish care was like, when his lakes stock was moved out of the local river. Not a lot of water in his lake, with fish swimming around distressed is cushty though

As for those people defending this type of behaviour (basically of ripping people off). WTF?

Give them their money back you shiester.
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   Old Thread  #212 15 Oct 2020 at 5.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree with you 100%

And the person thats thrown out most of the insults got banned.

Because they are chums with the mods they are now back and up to the same booring trolling.


I think the thread should stay for the reasons i have already stated.

I am truly gutted for those guys. And as someone who has never fished in france but wishes too in the future i am so glad they put posts like this on here.

It would devestate me financially to loose the kind of money they did.

Shame on him and shame on those defending him.

I am saying no more now
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   Old Thread  #211 15 Oct 2020 at 5.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Fred

"Anyway I think I will refrain from posting any more on this subject"

I think everyone wishes you would....

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   Old Thread  #210 15 Oct 2020 at 4.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím not trying to get this thread locked 🔒

Canít you read !!!!!!!
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   Old Thread  #209 15 Oct 2020 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I get that but only about 10 posts are worth reading. The other 200+ are just a waste of someones time.

This isnt the place for personal insults .

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   Old Thread  #208 15 Oct 2020 at 1.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #207 15 Oct 2020 at 1.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I dont think that just because one person is trying their hardest to get it closed for his mate that it should be closed.

People need to be able to search this lake on here and find out the truth about the owner.


I think the ban should have stuck.
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Oh god!!!

About time this thread got removed. Pointless waste of time now

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   Old Thread  #205 15 Oct 2020 at 1.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Legally right or wrong, and irrelevant of it being a business or not, but what happened to basic common decency and morals.

Devils advocate and the guys have already mentioned it, but it does sound on the video that the offer they got of the Ä750 euros , although Ä50 short, was accepted and forgive me if im wrong, but sounded to me like that was the end of the matter. Yes hindsight and all that, and given time to think on it i wouldnt be happy with that either. But im sure one guys mentions they are aware they are losing money. Dont think they would have a leg to stand on in court. Bit as in my first sentence, common decency and morals should have prevailed in this situation
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   Old Thread  #204 15 Oct 2020 at 11.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ah you have been reading Facebook !!!
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   Old Thread  #203 15 Oct 2020 at 11.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bullying? pull the other one.

The only way I can see this being resolved and Keith having any possibility of getting some peace is if he admits that both he and his daughter behaved appallingly and for parties to receive a full refund and apology.

There's been enough time now for emotions to settle down and I would like to think that any normal human being would be able to reflect on their behaviour, especially in light of video evidence, admit that they behaved poorly, apologise and set about trying to put the situation right. Not try to brush it under the carpet and hide the complaints under a stack of photos and stories about how much fish like shallow water.
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   Old Thread  #202 15 Oct 2020 at 9.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well as a completely unbiased observer I'll give my 5 peneth worth.

It's a horrible situation all round and should never have happened. The groups involved should have been fully informed before committing/leaving for the lake. Refunds/discounts/rebooking offered. But, having said that, I do have some sympathy for the owners, COVID and drought have obviously had a severe effect on their business and I have no idea if France has provided as much support as the UK to such businesses, I suspect not. Businesses should build up an emergency fund to be able to cope with such problems but most don't.

It appears that this is a regular problem at Moorlands but admittedly not previously as severe as this year, have the owners ever considered digging a well to enable them a year round supply of water? I have no idea if that's allowed in France or the rules and regulations but it seems like this would be a good idea and possibly prevent the loss of all of their fish in extreme circumstances. Or dredge the lake.

To those that lost out on their fishing I presume you paid via credit card? If so maybe contact your card suppliers and see if you can get them involved, you have paid for a service which wasn't up to standard, you may be able to take legal action to recover your losses.

I had a fishing holiday in France 25 years ago, one of the first to visit a new venue opened by some very big names in the industry, a lake full of 30's and 40's, even back then! Except it wasn't. I caught literally hundreds of fish that week, the biggest was about 16lb, I very much doubt there was anything over 20lb in the lake. After my feedback they immediately stopped advertising the venue. I didn't get a refund and put it down to the ups and downs of fishing, but I do therefore have a lot of sympathy for the guys involved.



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   Old Thread  #201 15 Oct 2020 at 8.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not at all , it seems you have the problem .
Obviously you did not read my posts correctly as I agreed with big fishes last posts

No problem at all .
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   Old Thread  #200 15 Oct 2020 at 5.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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so you are trying to get this thread locked up again? first time you were banned so you are taking more subtle approach this time? playing victim of bullies etc? pathetic
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   Old Thread  #199 15 Oct 2020 at 0.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Goodnight 😷

Only the tone of the thread thatís all .
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   Old Thread  #198 15 Oct 2020 at 0.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You think I made the racist remark up??
Iíll get the full details off the lad that had the insult towards him and the other lads that had to put up with Keithís antics whilst at his lake !! And put there version of events up on this thread ..itís late Iím tired and of all the posts on this thread your still the only one defending him ...goodnight
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   Old Thread  #197 15 Oct 2020 at 0.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well it beats the racism card , I think you took my post in the literal sense .
No harm done 😇
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   Old Thread  #196 15 Oct 2020 at 0.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well big fish I do admire your post and it adds clarity rather than slating and I agree with everything you said
There is no need for us to slag and slate each other off and I would rather have an adult slant on this very unfortunate scenario .
I would be severely peeved as were those out of pocket also .
Anyway I think I will refrain from posting any more on this subject , I will try not to honest 🤭
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   Old Thread  #195 15 Oct 2020 at 0.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fred, I don't want to come across as a bully mate, that's the last thing I want to achieve.

I just feel for the guys that got tangled up in all this through no fault of there own.

If Keith had come clean in the first place and told them the situation it would have saved these guys a whole lot of grief, Tolls, fuel, ferry tickets, etc, regardless of the fact that they lost their money as well.

All I would have wanted from Keith is a simple heads up to let me know the situation before I made my mind up whether to go or not. I would have been very disappointed, yes, and at the end of the day it was down to mother nature.

Why the hell didn't Moorlands put everyone in the picture? It would have saved all this slating on here, and everywhere for that matter. the media, etc is so cruel, but I can't help thinking that Keith Moors, or whether it was is daughter? have brought all this upon their selves
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   Old Thread  #194 15 Oct 2020 at 0.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bullyís 😂 wtf canít believe your really calling the bully card!!
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   Old Thread  #193 15 Oct 2020 at 0.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And David your no saint either but you like to have your two peneth
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   Old Thread  #192 14 Oct 2020 at 11.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You and others do seem to have an unhealthy agenda regarding the said lakes treatment of clientele.
Iím not arguing he wasnít wrong with his poor decision on not refunding the said clients but the continuous slating is bordering on hatred and bullying .
And I hate bullyís .
Seems there is a little clique with dark motives .
I can understand the frustration but really is there any need for this hate of a 70 year old man .
At least keep the thread going for those that are out of pocket but some of these posts are just unjustifiable hatred .
I have never fished Moorlands as I donít like shallow puddles I just talk to the man for years .
Also no need to start slagging me off also but I just canít abide bullyís .
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   Old Thread  #191 14 Oct 2020 at 11.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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By reading all the comments I think his business is up poo creek now
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   Old Thread  #190 14 Oct 2020 at 11.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I tell you what mate, all the people that I talk to in the carping world, in the UK and abroad.

I'm not going to forget about this, and I won't be letting anyone else that I speak to forget either, regardless of media, this will go on for a long time.

There are a lot of people out there that are hell bent on destroying Moorlands reputation, although he has done that already.

Personally I don't think that there are many lads that haven't heard about this that may have been considering fishing at Moorlands.

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   Old Thread  #189 14 Oct 2020 at 10.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Posts on french lake pages he goes on being removed along with posts not even getting allowed.Not good when people should know the truth
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   Old Thread  #188 14 Oct 2020 at 9.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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According to French records (Siret search) the business is registered in her name Sharon Kim Moors, so perhaps we shouldnīt be slagging off Keith!
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   Old Thread  #187 14 Oct 2020 at 9.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I see the Moorlands public relations train is on full steam this week. Loads of pictures being put up on Facebook. Looks like it's all a distant memory for Keith. Luckily the angling community have longer memories.
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   Old Thread  #186 14 Oct 2020 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Sharon sounds like a bit of me
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   Old Thread  #185 14 Oct 2020 at 5.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks pat, so apart from voting with your feet sadly its case closed for you chaps.
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Our expectations are zilch, probably cos we're the one's who exposed him for what he is, the group after us had a similar problem with him and left the lake, he told them no refund, so they put it on social media, they then retracted there statement after he gave them a refund, he can stick his money
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   Old Thread  #183 14 Oct 2020 at 4.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To the guys affected by this, exactly what is your current situation regarding any refunds if you can say, i.e. what's your current expectations?
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   Old Thread  #182 14 Oct 2020 at 4.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hindsight is an exact science, and to late to turn back the clock really.

I really hope and prey that future anglers don't fall into the Moorlands trap, with all the publicity it has had about this dreadful situation, hopefully the odds are stacked against

Mr Moors has done enough to damage his reputation all on his own with any luck.

And obviously i feel for the guys who he has ripped off
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Sadly as you say you probably didnīt do yourselves any favours as for pursuing possible legal action, but there again didnīt seem like there were any other reasonable options available to you. Hopefully your next trip to France will be better.
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   Old Thread  #180 14 Oct 2020 at 6.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The carping world is a small one. Word about good and bad venues spreads very fast!
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   Old Thread  #179 13 Oct 2020 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
As for winter I always had two weeks in November and a week in January if not frozen as did a lot of my friends .
But I can see this COVID malarkey getting even worse next year as this isnít going to go away any time soon .

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A very sad situation indeed , only been there once myself / not Moorlands / a few years ago and paid for another venue so I wish you all the best .
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   Old Thread  #178 13 Oct 2020 at 8.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When he paid us that 700 euros to get shot of us, (should have been 750), that was probably our mistake , we shouldn't have accepted it, as I've said before we were shattered and were offered another lake for around the same money, so legally taking the money messed us up i reckon, the rain will come and moorlands will be full again and he'll get the bookings cos there are some lovely fish in there, but I'd advise people not to entertain the place, he's an arrogant man who hides behind the foul mouthed daughter, he'll probably try to change his ways, but he'll mess up again, hope the fish are OK, but don't wish him any luck whatsoever,
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   Old Thread  #177 13 Oct 2020 at 8.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your posting no. 174, I totally agree with you and would also suggest that there a lot more fisheries that treat their customers with more respect. Phil I canīt agree with your latest posting though, another lockdown is coming maybe sooner than we think, if it happens during the Winter it wonīt affect fishing in France as hardly anybody does it, but if it is still in place or introduced in the Spring well another disastrous year for everybody, even pensioners like me. It is very sad that the Moorlands situation has been handled so badly by the owner and the owners subsequent remarks on his facebook page are almost taking the pi$$ out of the people who have been ripped off, glad I wasnīt 1 of them or I would have a lot more to say on the matter. I hope the guys that were affected are taking legal advice about seeking compensation?
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   Old Thread  #176 13 Oct 2020 at 8.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Canít see another lockdown coming tbh 👍
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   Old Thread  #175 13 Oct 2020 at 6.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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For sure 👍🎣🇫🇷

Anyway it wonít matter soon as lockdown 2 is imminent and no one will be going .
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   Old Thread  #174 13 Oct 2020 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Plenty of more venues in France with bigger fish in Fred 👍
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   Old Thread  #173 13 Oct 2020 at 6.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just googled the lake and this forum pops in just a few results down and it doesn't make the place look good that will affect bookings I'm sure. before I book a session on a lake even in the uk i have a quick read up online as do most people I bet
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   Old Thread  #172 13 Oct 2020 at 6.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fred, I would be shocked if recent events donít affect Keithís bookings!

Time will tell I suppose, at least the water levels are on the up which is good for Keithís Health and the fish......
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   Old Thread  #171 13 Oct 2020 at 5.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And he is posting fishy pics again on facegeek .
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With all due respect and your right but only a small percentage of the carping community are on the forum .

I doubt it will ever reflect on bookings going down due to the size of the fish in the venue .

Size matters a lot to most who go to France 🇫🇷

Surely could have been handled a lot better thou .

Not starting an argument just stating fact .

Anyway rumour has it there is water in the muddy puddle now 👍🎣🇫🇷
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   Old Thread  #169 13 Oct 2020 at 5.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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this is never ever going to blow over....every time moorlands gets a mention Iím sure people will be put onto this thread and let known what to expect from the lake owner his daughter and the bull**** that comes out his mouth

Really feel for the guys ,And Still no refund
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   Old Thread  #168 13 Oct 2020 at 1.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nope!
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   Old Thread  #167 13 Oct 2020 at 12.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Any signs of a refund from Moorland yet?
Suspect its all gone quiet in the hope us anglers forget about the appalling treatment from this fishery owner
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   Old Thread  #166 10 Oct 2020 at 9.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1195424254149090&id=100010445792027

Look through this FB thread. All on there
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Where can we see video mate
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moorlands deserves to go bust after this episode even if they get a crawling apology. It does not change their behaviour and there are a few people believe true colours were shown and were not surprised at all.By the chaps reaction and behaviour during this episode they have probably undercooked this and many people would have reacted far worse .Should have given him and his unpleasant daughter a mud bath
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   Old Thread  #160 4 Oct 2020 at 6.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like the water in Moorlands you will be sadly missed!
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Well put fella, and as you say, very gracious of you
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Well you really can't say fairer than that which is clearly far more gracious than most others would have been..

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   Old Thread  #157 4 Oct 2020 at 2.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Didn't respond to the guy as didn't really earn the right to one. I would point out though that if he'd taken tbe time to read my original post then he would have seen point 11. Considering Keith Moors did and still has stolen the best part of £2500 from us i feel we have been very gracious towards him! Just as a reminder.....

11) As for all the other comments on the forums, we can't be held responsible for the bad experiences people have recounted at YOUR fishery. It was made very clear in the original post that we had several successful trips with you in the past and it wasn't a character assassination and this was just an account of our experience on this occasion. We would like to take this opportunity to ask that people refrain from posting personal comments and allow Keith and his family the time to reflect and hopefully change the appropriate elements of their customer service and the way they promote their lake. We as a group, in the absence of a heartfelt apology or a full refund, would like to wish Moorlands a successful future as there is still a great fishery beneath it all.
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   Old Thread  #156 4 Oct 2020 at 11.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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...BANNED AND RIGHTLY SO..

Fred your the one acting like a child..your trying your damnest to get this thread locked...
You have had no input in this thread..and has previously mentioned your previous posts are not constructive whatsoever...think if anyone should be locked itís your posts.. sorry fella but your wrong on this one ..

Oh and the best have a chin wag with carl(Karl)...pathetic really
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Ahh banned already i see haha
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You should be ashamed of yourself I hope Carl sees that you are no use to the forum and bans you
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   Old Thread  #153 4 Oct 2020 at 10.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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About time the idiot has obviously got a agenda is it a multiple user name Keith himself perhaps? hard to understand why someone would go so far defending somebody caught well and truly with his trousers down
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   Old Thread  #152 4 Oct 2020 at 9.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The mod that you called a clown is still on his game obviously, as youíre banned
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   Old Thread  #151 4 Oct 2020 at 9.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well put mate,

To me this forum is a platform for everyone to voice their opinion whether it's something you agree with or not.

There are more than a few feathers ruffled about this topic, and yes it isn't going away anytime soon, but why it has to be dragged into the gutter, god only knows.

Fred I'm sure that you have the best intentions at heart mate, but there's no need to be abusive, but if you feel that that's the way to go
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   Old Thread  #150 4 Oct 2020 at 9.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think that sums it up rather well.

I have found this thread quite entertaining and have kept an eye on it. Fair play to Fred as every thread needs two sides, BUT are there two sides here? It all seems pretty clear to me. Groups of fellow carp anglers have had their very expensive holidays ruined and the whole thing stinks. I feel for the fishery, this will probably finish them, but it could all have been sorted out a lot more amicably for the good of all concerned.

Fred, you are obviously close to Keith. I get that, but let him fight his own battles if I was you!
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   Old Thread  #149 4 Oct 2020 at 9.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Fred, I like Keith and have had plenty of banter with him and yourself on FB.

His lack of transparency with the water levels has lead to this situation. Yes itís tough for him this year but itís tough for everyone and I think if he had posted the pictures up of the water levels people could have decided if the lake and itís levels were right for them.

If he promised refunds then he should have honoured them and I think thatís the big issue with most.

Not sure what you want Karlos (Karl) to do but this isnít go to blow over anytime soon on here, as soon as someone mentions the place it will get slaughtered for years to come like vallee lakes.

All this name calling doesnít help neither........
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   Old Thread  #148 4 Oct 2020 at 9.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think that someone is pushing things on here in the hope that the mods will lock it down.

One of Keith Moors mates no doubt, and someone called Carl????
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   Old Thread  #147 4 Oct 2020 at 9.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The mods should be ashamed of themselves allowing this witch 🧙‍♀️ hunt to carry on as it has .
This forum is nearly dead and the mods now are not the calibre of old .
Far too many kids with an opinion and a axe to grind .

Best I have a chin wag with Carl 🤔
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   Old Thread  #146 4 Oct 2020 at 9.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nah just poor attempt to get thread locked up...
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Thatís it kids jerk yourselves off

Pathetic ✊️💦
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   Old Thread  #144 4 Oct 2020 at 9.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Obvious ****s like you love the attention 🤔🤔

The irony of it😂😂😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #141 4 Oct 2020 at 8.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Another clown 🤡
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   Old Thread  #140 4 Oct 2020 at 8.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Obvious ****s like you love the attention .

Still at least it gives your sad little clique some entertainment, Iím loving this thread I really am .
Iíve deduced that at least 50% of members on here donít even own any fishing gear or have actually been fishing .
Still carry on eh 🤡🤡
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   Old Thread  #139 4 Oct 2020 at 8.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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people should not be sending each other contentious pm's

if anyone is recieving abusive pm's just forward them to a mod and we will sort it
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   Old Thread  #138 4 Oct 2020 at 8.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fred with respect mate, you keep posting ridiculous comments on this thread.

How many people following this do you think actually agree with your views?

It's obvious that there are loads of people that are, shall we say a little pissed of by the way these guys have been treated by Keith Moors.

I really am at a loss as to why you keep defending this bloke. All you seem to be doing is making yourself look stupid and come across as something to do with Moorlands behind the scenes.

And now you are sending me some really nice PM's?
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   Old Thread  #137 4 Oct 2020 at 6.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for the PM Fred. I didn't know that you are a stalker as well!!

If anybody's interested, this is what it said

"You are such a pathetic tool with an over zealous agenda .
Bet your sexually aroused posting all these negatives .
All your last posts are regarding Moorlands .

Yes it was wrong but a lot of the posters were well over the top .
This is why the forum is w*** with far too many like you ,, you are a 100% Tool".

I bet you have been up all night typing loads out, to all the people who's comments you don't agree with?

Oh by the way, I've just posted about Rainbow lake if you want to check, but your right I have been a bit sidetracked with this, but then when it's something you are passionate about, you will find that that's usually the case!

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   Old Thread  #136 4 Oct 2020 at 5.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bet you burned and drowned suspected witches 🧙‍♀️ in your previous life 🤔
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   Old Thread  #135 3 Oct 2020 at 9.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not good at all fella, he really has done a number on you, it's a disgrace!!

This should be broadcast everywhere, and never forgotten about.

I'd hate to think that anybody will fall into the same trap.

It's a big shame that there can't be a pinned thread on here, at the top of the venues foreign section, with the heading

NEVER BOOK A TRIP TO MOORLANDS.

Or could it????
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   Old Thread  #134 3 Oct 2020 at 6.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No refund or contact for the first group.....as stated, Keith's just morphed into an ostrich for the past month
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This thread will be forgotten about until next summer when it will all start again 😂😉
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There was a post by Peter Rosario, thatís now been deleted, presumably in agreement with Keith to remove it in exchange for the refund...
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It's a relief to know that the water level is on the up due to the rain in France.

From a fish safety point of view that's fantastic news.

I really hope and prey that anglers remember this incident when they are intending to book in the future, think long and hard about making the right choice.

I'm quite sure that Moorlands is a fantastic fishery at the right time of year.

I would just expect the owner of any fishery in France to be a little bit more transparent, and give out plenty of decent, honest updates.

I'm not sure about the refund situation and whether Moorlands are obliged, but if you knew what to expect, you could at least save yourself the hassle of driving there, the fuel, tolls, ferry, etc, as I'm sure a booking can be moved or reserved for another time?
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Let's hope it helps the fish
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Lots of rain the last few days but Keith has been very quiet for the last 3 weeks........
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reckon the message has been given and lets not keep going round in circles

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Hope this thread is kept alive for the mature people just incase any developments occur.
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Hopefully everyone has got the message now
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Personal attacks

This thread has certainly run its course now. Becoming a whos got a bigger c**k contest
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Aren't you due a meltdown sometime soon?
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   Old Thread  #118 30 Sept 2020 at 5.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He expects more bites on here than if or when he actually goes fishing

Everyone is clockwork in Fredís world, What a k****

Itís getting very boring now, yawn!!

And the irony of it is, he calls everyone else a warrior lol
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Yet here you are again to get your daily fix of attention. Bit of a needy **** arenít you ✊💦
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The brave warriors are out in force I see 🤭

I love Moorlands and the Muddy puddle 😂😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #115 30 Sept 2020 at 5.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looks like he has no intention of refunding you and he's going to brazen this out and bore you into submission. Best of luck, Ashley.
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   Old Thread  #114 30 Sept 2020 at 4.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Then simply I would take it up with my bank or credit card which ever you paid with 👍
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Joking!!! Still no contact and still no refund !!!!
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   Old Thread  #112 30 Sept 2020 at 2.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
how can anyone come on here and defend the at present muddy puddle that Keith Moors runs...the least he should of done is given a full refund
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errrrr

Moorlands.... need to remember to avoid this place..
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   Old Thread  #110 29 Sept 2020 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Surprised this debacle hasnt reached Trip Advisor .
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seems like freds on a promise from Mr Moors
be his knight in shining armour and he gets a 5 knuckle shuffle in return
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Or very good example of a knob
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A very good example of "staying neutral".....

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people normally are sad when they loose their money.
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More like a platform for very sad individuals
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I was in the first group that he gave 700 euros back, in hindsight that may have been a mistake on our part, being shattered after journey and pissed off at what we saw when we got there, we just had to get away from there, so we took it, giving us that money, to me proved his guilt, and the money helped us find another lake for the week.
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Fred will still defend him despite that being the second group Keith has screwed over. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Keith. He should be throughly ashamed of himself but I suspect he won't give it a second thought.

Have either party looked in to taking legal action against him?
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From the group after ours......still at it i see!!!!


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Hi ho ho you pathetic excuse for a man .

My posts are informative
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Great contribution there pompey
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Don't see what's wrong with post 89 if the poster knows what he's saying is true, bit heavy handed maybe.
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Rubbish like how coronavirus has been unleashed on the world to control the population level
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Why left wing?
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Why?
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Lock this thread.
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Come here to Troll?

Fred, Iíve been a long time reader of this forum and have just searched your posts, all you do is spout rubbish and troll threads, out of your 100 posts I could see, there wasnít one decent informative post.

Youíre all over Keith, get out of his arse and see this for what it is, a pisstake from a left wing, self serving, arrogant, know it all thieve.
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Did you get sexually excited and get an erection😂😂



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You joined just to troll

Did you get sexually excited and get an erection 🤔

Pathetic in every way ✊️💦
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Hasnít got the money?

10x £650 per week... £26k a month for 8 months of the year? Thatís over £200k.

I should imagine the bar tabs and profit from the bait cover the food package costs quite comfortably. Stolen fish, arrogant owner and a lake at half itís acreage and half depth. Itís unfishable and an utter pisstake. The lads should have thrown the idiot in.

Fished the place four times btw. Progressively worse in ever sense of the word. Sending anglers on their way after feeding them beers. Deserves everything he gets.
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And some love to listen
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And the band played on 🤭
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After reading all the comments on the forum and Facebook pages including the great keith moors page, it seems there's so many angler's that didn't have to much time for the self proclaimed messiah of carp fishing, many complaints before the audio and video were probably dismissed by him and he's disciples, now at last they can be taken seriously, what he did to these guys was disgraceful, without the audio it would have been swept under the carpet again, well done fellas for exposing the once King of the carpers
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   Old Thread  #85 21 Sept 2020 at 9.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It sounds like moors doesn't have any money, hence not offering these guys any more than all he had, 700 euro, he failed to transfer the final 50. I for one wouldn't trust anyone like him with a deposit for a future booking. Writing is on the wall sadly for his business..
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   Old Thread  #82 21 Sept 2020 at 6.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Even if it did cost £40k itís nothing compared to future business (if he has any ) after this fiasco.

Surely he must have thought it would be only a matter of time before this situation he finds himself in went public.
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Billy from Lac perdu did his 2 lakes as they were full of silt.......
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😂😂😂😂
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The best person to ask would be somebody who had a lake dug out in France, while I was out there I engaged people to do various digging work at my 2 venues but not on a scale that Moorlands might require.
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Keith can drive his on plant or at least he did digging the stock pond while we were there 😡
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Five figures, a digger and dump truck could be hired at a fraction of that cost, and there is always somebody that knows somebody that could drive the said plant.

I worked on a lake in the Champagne region of France not far from St Dizier, we did the very same job and also built several swims with the digger at the same time.

The only problem we had was translating from English to French at the hire company

I also heard mentioned somewhere about there being a field where the spoil could be banked up to form a bund.

There is no draining down to do if the job is done/planned for this time of year, as the lake has dried up anyway. Even a reasonable sized channel down the middle would be a great improvement

Looking at the photo's it wouldn't even affect what little fishing can be done, and of course greatly improve the fishery's future
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Jim just to endorse your point, certainly the cost would be into 5 figures, well into 5 figutes and I would suggest between 20 and 40k and of course there are other factors to take into account. As you well know, if the lake is able to be vidanged then you donīt just need to deepen the shallow end.
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Just to point out that the cost of carrying out your suggested procedure would be at enormous, for a 15 care lake could be into 5 figures. Interestingly the most expensive aspect of digging out a lake is the disposal of the spoil which, unless you have sufficient land to accommodate it, can be a real killer. Obviously there can be other procedures such as liming and chalking that will break down the silt however that is a longer term solution and not a quick fix.
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All too easy to ignore until something bites you on the backside
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I'm never convinced by statements like that, there are so many ways these days to improve the depths of a lake.

Strip back the clay, dig out the soil below, then relay the clay?

I always feel that it's the perfect get out clause to avoid spending money
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there was a simar comment on Keith's page about the make up of the lake and being able to dig out to make it deeper,something to do with the make up of the lake and only a thin layer of clay that holds the water. remove this and it wouldn't hold water at all by what he said.
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if any water level drops that dramatically, a said fishery owner should inform the anglers prior to their trip and give them the choice to fish or not, providing all the accurate information.

Looking at the photos and reading comments, turning up to that is nothing short of a p$ss take
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tried and tried with you but it's pointless. I'm not 'one' disgruntled customer, i was one of 7. The following group of 5 left too. Read through the posts carefully before answering. You HAVEN'T fished in those conditions. If you have then Keith is again telling yet another porky!!!
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You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word satire.
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Not sure about Keith Moore and his financial situation, but it looks to me like the perfect opportunity to get a contractor in to add a bit of depth to the lake while it is all dried up. Or even do it yourself to save on cost.

Good fishery management and a great way of maybe preventing this sort of thing happening in the future.

I'm guessing that with the current climate change trends this is going to happen every year, and only get worse.

Insuring happy customers would be my goal as a fishery owner, i would want them to return year after year, knowing that they are in for a good experience/holiday. It's only going to be a win, win situation

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You might have fished it in the past when the water was low but say its 1ft down from when you fished it thats a hell of alot of water to lose in a already shallow water that needs wading. Down south in england is bad enough local river is about 5ft down now and suffering and a syndicate 2 miles frommy house is closed for exact.same reasons at moorlands
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One of the krays? I havent threatened anyone and would be the last to portray myself as any kind of hard guy, now you are the one threatening to pay me a visit. Just saying it as I see it but now I'm out!
To summarise my thoughts- moorlands struggles with water levels. There are some very big fish in there either go or don't but if you through the summer don't expect to land fish from the bank.

And just for the record I dont have a relationship with Keith other than having visited the lake.
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So lets just get this straight de do Ron Ron, the guy who thinks he is one of the kray's because he has his name and photo on here.

After reading through all the posts on this thread, I'm amazed that you think that fishing in such conditions is okay, but then judging by your comments, maybe not.

You are obviously in no doubt about having a good holiday, not worried at all about fish safety, and of course more than happy about your mate Mr Moore not mentioning the state of the lake.

To say that you are a tool doesn't even come close, catch at all costs moron springs to mind.

If you let me know where about's you fish in Cheshire, I'll pop in and show you my stiffy when I'm working up that way.

Looking back through your comments, it sounds like you have quite a passion for them
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Give it up. You're defending the undefendable. If you're happy to fish a 12 acre lake thats shrunk down to a fraction of it's size, where all the fish will be concentrated in shallow, poorly oxygenated water then goodo, but shame on you.

The facts are clear. Keith Moors was (through no fault of his own), unable to fulfil the terms of the contract he entered into. He should have done right not just by the anglers, but his fish, given his statements on fish care.

If l had found the lake in that state l would not have fished it in that state. The majority of posts in this thread reflect that point of view. This is wrong on so many levels.

Representing a minority view doesn't always mean you're wrong, but in this case, Chris, you're the equivalent of a flat earther.




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I wasnít replying to you 🤷‍♂️
But maybe losing 3+ grand isnít a big deal to you , but given the current situation it is for a lot of people. The op also mentioned he was a returning customer.
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Seems I'm not allowed an opinion that doesn't follow the bashing of Keith and his fishery. Having visited when the water is down I feel I'm better placed to comment than the warriors who base their judgement on just one video. I do think the OP has gone out of his way to make this as big a deal as he possibly can. Maybe the fishing isn't for him like it is. I visited this time last year and there was still fish coming out all over the bowl - in fact the guy in the oakes smashed them in what is the shallower end of the main bowl. Until this the fact you were booking over a year out and most customers are return bookings should tell you more than one disgruntled customer.
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No less of a man than you , posting what you posted. Must be 3 or 4 days gone by now. The pm from Keith offering the free trip to moorlands must be due anytime. Just like Keith you obviously like to believe your opinion is right and more valid than any others. Must be an old **** generation thing. I sincerely hope I donít became as narcissistic as that when Iím the wrong side of 60 😬
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For Ron lake will be fishable even when you just wade out and pick them up with landing net... Dead or alive... And that is for 8 people...
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Hi ho ho

Bet you thought you were a man posting that 😂

Obviously your balls have recently dropped 🐑
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He is not my mate Sean.
Bigggish38-condescending i do hope you get over your little stiffy.
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I think that you should get off to bed, you will be late for school in the morning.

Maybe leave discussions like this to the grown ups.
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Only one tool in here ron and that is you. You must be good.mates with keith if not your an absolute nod
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No, you are a tool. You can see my picture and my name on my profile - yet you hide? Who's a warrior?.
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I'm sure that I mentioned something about keyboard warriors winding people up.

And you my friend sound like someone that's hoping to get more bites on here than when you are fishing with your negative comments.

And I'm a tool, grow up little boy.
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Amazing. Nothing restores willy size but for a spelling/grammar correction.
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Seem
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Seemm like a right idiot you do.
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Tool
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If the cap fits
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Me?
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🤞 Hope you get your free ticket next year. That's if you can pull yourself out of Keith's a*** in time.
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Really does sound like the perfect holiday, turning up to find a sh**hole like that, and not to be told what to expect by the owner.

I'm sure that I would just take it on the chin and smile after all the planning and expense. Shame on you Keith Moore

You really do sound like a really nice guy that really does deserve to shine as a fishery owner. I can only imagine that everyone will be going out of their way to book on your lake next year
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This 40lb plus mirror that appeared out of nowhere didn't think so. It was so happy that after being netted and placed back in tbe middle of the puddle returned a few hours later. Still, Keith saved the day by offering to net it again to hold it under an aerator!! The fish wasn't hooked just struggling obviously.

Can see you're not for turning. All the best fella.


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Bang on,obviously not bothered about the fish( he ain't no fishery owner in my book) just lining his pockets
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Think we will have to agree to disagree. The water level looks almost the same as last year, yeah its tough fishing wading out, covered in muck all the time but the fish seem to do ok.
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Ridiculous , the whole lake should be shut for the sake of the fish at least
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Chris, water yes but not fishable until itís at least 2 1/2 - 3ft deep.......that means there is 2 fishable acres for 30 lines.......acceptable to you perhaps but not to the vast majority it would seem......
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Bang on
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I'm afraid you're on a losing battle and trying to defend the indefensible. Even Keith has admitted fault albeit a very insincere apology. That picture was of the whole Southern Arm. This picture shows several swims in the main bowl that you elude to (Royal Box down to 1st Pontoon i believe) and you could walk between them from one end to the other. If we wanted that we would have gone to Chantecoq!! You keep throwing out that you have fished it and others haven't. This was my 3rd trip and in Keith's words 'the lake is at the lowest level since he bought it'. Therefore you nor anyone else has seen it or fished it in such condition so please stop commenting from a position of isolated authority. Drive there today THEN you may comment with such conviction. Outside of doing that it's just assumption and opinion.



Ist Pontoon.....surprised they didn't drown!!



Palacial lakebed dwelling for a week's holiday....i'm coming round to your way of thinking!
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He's always allowed fewer anglers in the second half of the season for exactly that reason. Fair enough you can't move but even take out dogleg and boneyard there's 8 swims with water.
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Yes, so canít move anywhere and do your own thing. Out of them 10 there all fishing to the deepest part.....30 lines aiming at 2 acres of water.
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10 swims on main bowl isn"t there?
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Chris, that section in the picture is a loss of about 8 swims. To turn up in a group of 8 and be left with the main bowl swims that you HAVE to wade out etc is not on at all as anglers donít want to have to fish that way. I have followed Keith and his lake for years but if I turned up I would have wanted refunding!

If these pictures were sent to anglers due out Iím sure they would cancel and no problems as such.

Itís a nightmare for Keith having lost so much revenue already due to CV and then no rain for 5 months, but being upfront and totally transparent about the water levels it would have Saved him so much flack. The Video is the worst bit out of all of this and has seriously damaged his reputation!
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That photo is out of context. Its a stream fed lake and the stream end dries up in summer.
I do hope the comments of 'keyboard warriors and ' likes to wind people up' aren't directed at me. I just have a different perspective having fished it a few times (which is probably more informed than the other keyboard warriors )
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makes you wonder if any of the big stock has died would he broadcast it for the fear of losing business too...he's certainly lost a lot of credibility through all of this.
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Basically the lakes not fit for purpose,if it was a zoo it would be shut down
If it was me I would drag his sorry ass through the courts
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So not unusual to be lied to being told all swims are fishable and spoken to like ***** after paying your hard earned cash. Pull your head out his arse. Itís terrible behaviour. Iím sure heís proud of his daughter, voice on an angel 😂
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There's always a keyboard warrior that enjoys winding everyone up.


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Feel for you guys the lake should be shut and this looks bad for Keith. You did well to be as calm as you did.

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I hope Keith is proud of himself. No matter how vile of a person he is, he can count on his loyal fans and supporters to stick with him. Well done Keith you have made it
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Yet here you are posting. I remember from years ago when Keith was a forum sponsor and regular poster that you were always so far up his chuff piece, all you could see were your toes. It was so very cringeworthy.
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Suck it up ffs. Itís clearly ****ing fishable in the distance
Must be comforting to know even without water in your lake there are still tongues that require surgical removal from your ring piece
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Yeh can see how you think we have over exaggerated it. Perhaps we could have thrown a couple of mudskipper paternosters out!


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Completely ridiculous comments.

I met the group when they came up to the lake I was on and it was pretty clear they were sickened by the whole experience. I believe that they had checked with moors that all swims were fish able to which he confirmed positive. Big mistake, he lied to his customers, a group of highly competent anglers.

There is very little anyone can reasonably say in defence of moors at this stage, sounds like he has a nice lake for certain months of the year but absolutely no idea about running a long term business and it's risk level, not to mention customer relationships.

From what I'm aware this is still ongoing, and by refunding part of their money he has legally accepted responsibility should they decide to proceed with full recovery.
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Some of you posters are so full of it .
What sad little lives you must have .
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seen this posted on fb and a few other pages, watched and listened to the lot, the blokes is a disgrace, and his daughters attitude. as a angler that was not fishtail he should know that and to take the money of you is robbery, hang ya head in shame. id be so ashamed but you only have yaelf to blame again. I use to argue the fact yesrs ago that this place wasn't run right (he can fish) now seeing this shows how bad he really is or WAS as I hope this has taught him a lesson and someone else takes over and does things right.
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Found the pics and videos, very sad scenario for all concerned.
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There is a facebook link with various pics and videos in the "oh dear videos seem to back this story up" thread
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Youíd need water to do that of course.

Each to their own I suppose.
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Anyone have the pictures?
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Seriously, this isn't unusual at moorlands. Plenty of cheshire meres with very little water over the
Silt. Fish just adapt and live like that. Any of you warriors actually been?
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You canít be for real surely 😂 Iím sure the guys Wouldn't mind a tree in the way so long as thereís some water thrown In
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Your comments are unbelievable
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I take it you havenít seen the pictures of the lack of water to fish into ?
Looks like a desert pool with its last bit of water left
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I dont see people who fish rainbow complaining thetes a tree in the way. Just fish whats in front of you.
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Blimey, you must have money to burn then if you think thatís acceptable and would pay to fish that.

Good on them for making people aware.
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Yes, hype. Its not as bad as this guy has made out seems odd he's made such a concerted effort to publicise his problem. Suck it up dude
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Hype? These people paid their money in good faith and have every right to complain and make others aware of receiving such poor customer service.

Hopefully they have prevented more people wasting their hard earned money in booking at this venue.
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Statement from the moorland group- kind of sad you give yourself so much hype. Nobody really cares, moorlands is always like this in the autumn, admittedly not for everyone but just how it is. Maybe if you werent prepared, should have picked somewhere else?.
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Can we see what this is all about please?
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Thanks Dave. My understanding originally was that they did but correspondence from them since suggests not. I can't confirm either way though mate
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Well written Ash, did the group who turned up the week after you who also decided not to fish receive a full refund? I will vouch 100% for the guys I know in your group and my strong advice is to pursue the correct refund that you are entitled to and if not voluntarily offered to you in the next few days, then in my opinion with all of the photographic evidence that you have, take legal advice, you will win!!

Really sorry to hear what has happened and I am still hoping Keith will do the right thing by you guys to bring this matter to an end, it is in his interest to do so!!
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9) With regard to the recording i can say hand on heart that only the individual that recorded new the tape was running. We only found out after you booted us out and we were stood in a service station carpark at 2 in the morning. I do admit that we all were over the moon when we found out as without it we would be absent a weak apology and we would have had you strapped to a tree removing fingernails.

10) You and your followers keep referencing that this is your livelihood and your family. Well you have impacted our livelihoods and our family. We have all had to explain to our partners that the 1000's of pounds we spent has been pocketed by a lake owner whose fishery we didn't actually fish. I would suggest that if you had invested as much time in posting honest depictions of your lake as we did instead of your love for Lewis Hamilton and hate for Brexit the impact would have been far less severe.
11) As for all the other comments on the forums, we can't be held responsible for the bad experiences people have recounted at YOUR fishery. It was made very clear in the original post that we had several successful trips with you in the past and it wasn't a character assassination and this was just an account of our experience on this occasion. We would like to take this opportunity to ask that people refrain from posting personal comments and allow Keith and his family the time to reflect and hopefully change the appropriate elements of their customer service and the way they promote their lake. We as a group, in the absence of a heartfelt apology or a full refund, would like to wish Moorlands a successful future as there is still a great fishery beneath it all.
We would also like to thank the thousands of anglers who have written messages of support.
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From the original post just now.......

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1195424254149090&id=100010445792027

Following all of the comments and in light of Keith's 'apology' we have decided to put out a one off group statement which hopefully will draw a line under this whole episode.

1) With regard to the half hearted apology, it's difficult to accept for several reasons. Firstly, what are you actually apologising for Keith? Is it taking our money by deception? Is it sending us away with no food that you had already cooked and we ordered? Is it serving us 3 rounds of drinks then asking us to drive? Is it the wear and tear on our vans for 100's of miles of wasted journey? Maybe it's extra fuel costs, toll charges? Even the swearing at us or derogatory comments on your FB page after the event? Perhaps just the sheer stress of it all after an eager 18 month wait, after all it was our holiday? You also state proudly that you have now offered those that don't want to wade in such conditions the opportunity to move their booking. Where was our offer?

2) You stated your apology was after 2 weeks of sleep and reflection, yes? Then why was it that you posted earlier the same day that you were refraining from comment and were seeking legal advice? Maybe it was more of an afternoon siesta? Or was it the fact your legal advice was get an apology up as quick as possible? Remarkable turnaround in just a few hours don't you think?

3) If you wanted to issue a sincere apology then phone us up, you have our contact details. Instead you chose to place it on your private FB page that you blocked us from seeing and in the same sentence started slagging the group off again.

4) You stated we were given 700 euros to draw a line under it all. Listen to the audio Keith in which you offer 150 euros each for 5 people which equates to 750 euros. You gave us 700 euros in cash and promised to bank transfer the other 50 euros. You knocked us for that unsurprisingly hence why you got stuck with a bar bill. Karma i would say.
Of course we wanted a full refund but were in a no win situation, very tired, hungry and very shaken by the whole incident. What else were we to do? It was a matter of get fishing again and worry about it when we get home.

5) You and your little band of loyal supporters on your FB page have questioned why we chose to put our evidence on social media. After our ordeal we assumed that naturally you would learn a lesson and be a little more transparent with the state of play at Moorlands with prospective customers. When the next group arrived and spoke to our 2 lads they were none the wiser and they also left without fishing deciding also that the lake was unfishable for the size of their group. This is a fact that has been very much overlooked and shows we weren't just a group of picky anglers. They have also commented on FB about how discusted they were. As it was clear you had no intention if coming clean we felt it our duty to the angling fraternity to give them the adcance warning we never had so they could make a considered judgement before travelling

6) Our group had been 2 or in some cases 3 times to your venue and as stated in my original post we enjoyed everything about it. We happily waded so this wasn't the issue for us or not working for our fish. It was a case of our own safety and concern for the fish's welfare. Sorry but we are not a fish at all costs group. Not going over old ground as i think the pictures and videos tell a sufficient story as thousands of people including many fishery owners have commented on. I would point out that we are a serious group of anglers with many years experience in France. That aside, if we all wanted to leave our rods in our bags and sunbath then that's our perogative not yours. It was our holiday.

7) I've read several testimonies from your selected group of friends saying they have often happily and successfully fished your lake in such conditions. Forgive me but didn't you post on your own page and website that the lake water levels are at the lowest they have ever been in your ownership? How then has anyone else experienced what we did?

8) You stated that Sharon was only abusive to us as you were under attack. I think the audio clearly proves differently. If she was so concerned why didn't she say so? Her only focus was to tell us the lake was F'ing fishable then running off to harass the anglers on the lake. No wonder their version of their week has changed since we spoke to them. We have pictures of the empty swims that they suggest they fished when we arrived. Quite frankly though we don't really care as that's not our issue.

9) With regard to the recording i can say hand on heart that only the individual that recorded new the tape was running. We only found out after you booted us out and we were stood in a service station carpark
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