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   Old Thread  #79 15 Sept 2020 at 8.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Could be wrong here. Never had a Frontier, I had the explorer. The Frontier as I remember them was was like an armo pram hood style with a more square frame, or looked like one, no block? The explorer had the block

And guess what, the explorer had a mini skull cap which fastened on with toggle / clips

Modern designs eh
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   Old Thread  #78 15 Sept 2020 at 8.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Interesting thread .... I always liked the original Frontier as it was flat fronted (from memory) and had a small peak with wrap (again from memory) and similar in shape to the Titan etc .... so was only matter of time before Fox released them ..... but for me all these blocks, legs, elbows, storm poles etc etc whether Fox, Nash, Trakker or Aqua .... is all stuff that can go wrong .... and as someone who has had most designs mentioned in this thread and still have a few in my loft (Compact Evo anyone?, Tempest Brolly etc) ... i still dont think the peaked pram hood can be beaten and im very glad to have been off the bivvy merry go round in recent years
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   Old Thread  #77 15 Sept 2020 at 8.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Im thinking, in this case, they have done that on purpose. Used their own inhouse tech to save costs and any legal issues. And then made the hub look a bit rounder so it looks like a Tempest somit sells well. Cant beat em join em.
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   Old Thread  #76 15 Sept 2020 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And being the knob that I am, Aqua bought out the first ever fishing bivvy, so in one way or another they have all copied Aqua.
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   Old Thread  #75 15 Sept 2020 at 7.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I take your point where both the tempest and the new fox thing borrow their ideas from. The point I was making was the immediate look of foxes frontier looking identical to trakkers bivvy

Where the skullcap hooks onto looks a weak point, time will tell on that front.
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   Old Thread  #74 15 Sept 2020 at 7.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Titan before Pioneer

Edit - just seen your last post
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   Old Thread  #73 15 Sept 2020 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
A bit of digging. The Nash Titan came out in 1993. That predates the pioneer by many years.
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   Old Thread  #72 15 Sept 2020 at 7.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Indeed. And judging by their video they are still bloody using it. Got their moneys worth
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   Old Thread  #71 15 Sept 2020 at 7.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Chris also came up with the original Evo which was sold to Fox👍
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   Old Thread  #70 15 Sept 2020 at 7.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes. Under liscence from Aqua. A little while after that Chis Manifold came up with the Pioneer
Imdo not know which came first. The Pioneer or the Titan?
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   Old Thread  #69 15 Sept 2020 at 7.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím definitely more of a knob.
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   Old Thread  #68 15 Sept 2020 at 7.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had a fox explorer. Heavy bivvy that but a cracking bit of kit

Your right though. A Titan has got to be the first that I am aware of with the block system. Had an original Hi top too

Trakker had the armadillo, pram hood, wasnít this their first tent?
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   Old Thread  #67 15 Sept 2020 at 7.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Surely it looks as much like the titan and
Explorer as it does the Tempest. Personally I dont
Buy any fox stuff. I have no allegience to them.
I agree blatent copies are rife in angling.

However I feel in this case with the crappy plastic knees
Like the evo compact, the explorer type spreading hub
And the evo type click in front poles they have
Bastsrdised their own kit and made something that's aesthetically similar to the best selling family of bivvies.

Which judging by the response has worked.
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   Old Thread  #66 15 Sept 2020 at 7.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why what did you say
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   Old Thread  #65 15 Sept 2020 at 7.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Noobs. Not knobs
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