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 #79 15 Sept 2020 at 8.34pm | |   |
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Could be wrong here. Never had a Frontier, I had the explorer. The Frontier as I remember them was was like an armo pram hood style with a more square frame, or looked like one, no block? The explorer had the block  
And guess what, the explorer had a mini skull cap which fastened on with toggle / clips 
Modern designs eh 
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#78 15 Sept 2020 at 8.26pm | | |
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Interesting thread .... I always liked the original Frontier as it was flat fronted (from memory) and had a small peak with wrap (again from memory) and similar in shape to the Titan etc .... so was only matter of time before Fox released them ..... but for me all these blocks, legs, elbows, storm poles etc etc whether Fox, Nash, Trakker or Aqua .... is all stuff that can go wrong .... and as someone who has had most designs mentioned in this thread and still have a few in my loft (Compact Evo anyone?, Tempest Brolly etc) ... i still dont think the peaked pram hood can be beaten and im very glad to have been off the bivvy merry go round in recent years
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#77 15 Sept 2020 at 8.03pm | | |
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In reply to Post #75
Im thinking, in this case, they have done that on purpose. Used their own inhouse tech to save costs and any legal issues. And then made the hub look a bit rounder so it looks like a Tempest somit sells well. Cant beat em join em.
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#76 15 Sept 2020 at 8.01pm | | |
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In reply to Post #73
And being the knob that I am, Aqua bought out the first ever fishing bivvy, so in one way or another they have all copied Aqua.
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#75 15 Sept 2020 at 7.59pm | | |
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In reply to Post #67
I take your point where both the tempest and the new fox thing borrow their ideas from. The point I was making was the immediate look of foxes frontier looking identical to trakkers bivvy
Where the skullcap hooks onto looks a weak point, time will tell on that front.
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#74 15 Sept 2020 at 7.57pm | | |
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In reply to Post #70
Titan before Pioneer
Edit - just seen your last post 
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#73 15 Sept 2020 at 7.54pm | | |
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A bit of digging. The Nash Titan came out in 1993. That predates the pioneer by many years.
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#72 15 Sept 2020 at 7.41pm | | |
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In reply to Post #71
Indeed. And judging by their video they are still bloody using it. Got their moneys worth
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#71 15 Sept 2020 at 7.38pm | | |
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In reply to Post #70
Chris also came up with the original Evo which was sold to Fox👍
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#70 15 Sept 2020 at 7.34pm | | |
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In reply to Post #68
Yes. Under liscence from Aqua. A little while after that Chis Manifold came up with the Pioneer
Imdo not know which came first. The Pioneer or the Titan?
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#69 15 Sept 2020 at 7.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #65
I’m definitely more of a knob. 
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#68 15 Sept 2020 at 7.16pm | | |
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In reply to Post #59
I had a fox explorer. Heavy bivvy that but a cracking bit of kit
Your right though. A Titan has got to be the first that I am aware of with the block system. Had an original Hi top too
Trakker had the armadillo, pram hood, wasn’t this their first tent?
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#67 15 Sept 2020 at 7.07pm | | |
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In reply to Post #62
Surely it looks as much like the titan and
Explorer as it does the Tempest. Personally I dont
Buy any fox stuff. I have no allegience to them.
I agree blatent copies are rife in angling.
However I feel in this case with the crappy plastic knees
Like the evo compact, the explorer type spreading hub
And the evo type click in front poles they have
Bastsrdised their own kit and made something that's aesthetically similar to the best selling family of bivvies.
Which judging by the response has worked.
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#66 15 Sept 2020 at 7.07pm | | |
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In reply to Post #64
Why what did you say
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#65 15 Sept 2020 at 7.00pm | | |
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In reply to Post #64
Noobs. Not knobs
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