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I dont think anyone is moaning that the bag is oversized so it can easily fit the bivvy and bits in, nor that the dimensions aren't as stated. It was only mentioned because someone had asked about the pack down size. It's just a big bivvy when folded down and is one of the only negatives it has imo, youre never going to get a product with no cons
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#528 7 Mar 2021 at 10.33pm | | |
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Tesco bags! There's posh. Big bivvies and big bits of gear are definitely problematic but being fair that's not the manufacturers fault. In this case Nash and Fox have responded to customer feedback and praise is due imho. On longer sessions I prefer to be warm dry and comfortable so choose the gear that provides what I want. I know it's weight, dimensions and performance before I buy. Can't complain when it arrives and is exactly as stated. Mind you I do think having a good moan about pushing heavy gear a mile through mud and brambles is good for the soul.
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#527 7 Mar 2021 at 10.19pm | | |
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I think it's pretty clear. 
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#526 7 Mar 2021 at 10.13pm | | |
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I agree the large bags brilliant and hated squeezing them back into undersized bags. My point was that with a big bivvy on the top of the barrow it makes it hard to also get the rod bag on there too. Maybe it’s my barrow or way I’m loading it but nothing to to with looks. The Tesco bags hanging from the side see to that.
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#525 7 Mar 2021 at 8.28pm | | |
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What are you waffling on about
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#524 7 Mar 2021 at 1.20pm | | |
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With regard to bivvy lighting I may well be ahead of the game. Was gifted a set of caravan awning lights with power pack, remote including dimmer. 4 x 12ins tubes and plenty of cable. Wouldn't have bought it at £300 plus including power pack but on long sessions in the Titan it's great. Apart from the power pack it packs down into a hard tube about 3 ins x 18 ins and weighs about 500gm.
The self guiding anti coot/tufty turret fitted to the barrow with AI radar guidance package for drones and stealth bait boats with laser and ultrasound weapons has had to go.
Just too heavy at 600kg. The deterrent alarm system remains classified at this time.
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#523 7 Mar 2021 at 12.50pm | | |
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Assume you haven’t got spinners and neon under lighting on your barrow then? Get with the times mate. Send me your waders and I’ll bedazzle them for you. You’ll soon change your mind
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#522 7 Mar 2021 at 9.03am | | |
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Fox continental easy dome is the one you want, now that was a big bag  
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#521 7 Mar 2021 at 8.28am | | |
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#520 7 Mar 2021 at 8.01am | | |
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For years we have anglers complaining that the carry bags supplied with bivvies are too small and once you have unrolled a bivvy from new it is a real b*gger to get it back in the bag.
Some manufacturers listen and provide spacious bags that are easy to use and will hold ancillary gear like storm poles and wraps. Top marks Nash and it seems Fox as well.
But no, not good enough because "it doesn't look good on my barrow." or "it looks like a body bag" along with "the black finish on my banks sticks wore off, I won't be using that company again."
Gordon effing Bennett.
I want info on the product with regard to carp angling not a review of the models on the runway at the latest international carp couture soiree.
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#519 7 Mar 2021 at 7.51am | | |
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I have the X, and wanting to sell that to buy the XD ,
IMO the Frontier is excellent all round
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#518 7 Mar 2021 at 0.23am | | |
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I have the X and must say the bag is very big, the only negative I have of the bivvy so far. Hopefully that is the only negative ill have!
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#517 6 Mar 2021 at 11.25pm | | |
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I'm assuming you don't like it,is that why you are selling it
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#516 6 Mar 2021 at 9.28pm | | |
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Thanks. I’ll measure the T1 in the morning to see how it stacks up. 
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#515 6 Mar 2021 at 8.06pm | | |
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Bag is indeed big: 155 x 26 x 26, but it doesn't bother me because everything goes in easily.
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#514 6 Mar 2021 at 7.53pm | | |
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I really fancy the XD but having watched a few videos on YouTube it looks like the bag is huge. I have a Titan T1 at the moment but I hate the bag being so big. With that on the top of my barrow it doesn’t leave much room for my rods and sends the balance all out.
Does anyone know how the 2 compare or even better have side by side pics.
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#513 6 Mar 2021 at 6.54pm | | |
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How are people finding ,putting the XD up when connecting the three clip in front poles
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#512 6 Mar 2021 at 11.41am | | |
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Fox R Series XL was a big fail bivvy series, there is even a shop here that has stopped selling it and brought back its stock.
The funny thing about the xl 1 man is 295 x 235 and I don't get a bedchair + junior bed in it, Frontier Xd is smaller on the outside and I get a bedchair + junior bed in it 
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#511 6 Mar 2021 at 8.50am | | |
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Same as me bud I had a fox r series before my tempest it was a great bivvy but it took so long to put up and was a pain to move onto the fish, I always wanted a taller quick bivvy so was happy when they finally started making them
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#510 5 Mar 2021 at 11.47pm | | |
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I agree. I had a two man bivvy before and it was huge and hard to put up alone. At the time it seemed a good idea but in the long term it was just a lot of effort and made me not want to go. The frontier is up in 3 minutes and is half a meter smaller in length and width so I'm loving it so far. I know it's not a small bivvy but like you I'm 6ft 3 and anything smaller would be too small for me.
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#509 5 Mar 2021 at 9.57pm | | |
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I’m always a bit confused why some people want such huge footprints, I use a tempest 100t because I’m 6ft3 but the footprint is huge for me. I put my rodholdall and bivvy bag under my bedchair, other than my tackle bag which goes in the corner of the bivvy and my food bag in the little triangle behind my bedchair. My chair goes on the right side of the bivvy in front of my bedchair, how much more room do you really need? I use this for everything from 48hrs to a week more than enough for me
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#508 5 Mar 2021 at 4.09pm | | |
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Interesting seeing the floor space difference between the 100 and the X. The 100 is trakkers smallest bivvy in that range (if you exclude the brolly styles) and the X is still small that the trakker, admittedly only slightly. My X seems pretty large inside without I actually being that big.
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#507 5 Mar 2021 at 2.36pm | | |
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That's what I like about the Frontier Xd, even though it's only 270 x 210, it has a very large footprint inside
Tempest Composite is 265cm x 210cm, Xd is only 5 cm wider but inside difference is massive.
This is the photo someone posted on Fb:
Frontier x vs Trakker trakker advanced 100
X vs 100
Xd yes if you want you can get 2 beds in it but you have to store all your stuff under the bedchairs and it will feel cramped (That's not the definition of a 2 man bivvy for me)
The Xd is perfect for 1 bedchair and 1 junior bed, or if you go alone (with dog) you have a luxurious inner space without a bivvy that is +275 wide
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#506 5 Mar 2021 at 2.21pm | | |
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i would say looking at them photos, there more like two man than one and a half man ?
i have the original composite tempest, and that's definitely more like a one and a half man,
then two look massive like you say
i was looking at getting a new bivvy, but they look too big for me
so looks like i'll keep the composite for now, as i need a bit more room due to a bad back, and at the moment dodgy knee
i can't remember the measurements of the composite ?
but i would definitely say its in between the 100 and 150, and the fox frontier and frontier x
unless someone knows different what the sizes are ?
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#505 5 Mar 2021 at 12.00pm | | |
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Those are both massive 1 man bivvies , you guys on the continent seem to use far bigger bivvies than we in the UK tend to so what you refer to as small really aren't in the grand scheme of things
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#504 5 Mar 2021 at 10.59am | | |
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Trakker 150 photo comes from Youtube movie: Choosing The Right Tempest Bivvy or Brolly for Your Carp Fishing (2.14min)
Frontier Xd photo I just set up in my living room
Tempest 150 vs Frotier XD Setup
https://ibb.co/pryJTDY
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#503 5 Mar 2021 at 9.44am | | |
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The frontier xd is not a small bivvy, it's biggest in the range of three.
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#502 5 Mar 2021 at 6.51am | | |
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Ofc the T150 has more floor space but not alot, we are talking about two 1 man bivvies that are 315x 255 vs 270 x 210, XD gives a lot of space for a small bivvy, T150 doesn't give much extra space for such a large bivvy compared to the XD, the high and flat back/sides of the Xd also make a huge difference in space.
My previous 1 man bivvy: quest tackle defier is 280 x 225 bedchair 210 x 80 with sleeping bag hit the sides with the Xd I still have 20cm of space left, measured from the bechair to middle door I only had 65 cm left with the Defier, XD i have 117cm left...
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#501 5 Mar 2021 at 1.42am | | |
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That's where I put my rucksack, fits perfectly.
My tempest would be perfect if the back was 20cm higher instead of sloping down that much. That's what the frontier improved on
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#500 4 Mar 2021 at 11.21pm | | |
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Zinno, this phrase you use "usable floor space". Surely all floor space is usable if you choose to use it?
If you are referring to the space behind the bedchair in a tempest why is it not usable
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#499 4 Mar 2021 at 11.03pm | | |
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The Titan is well designed and the fabric is decent it’s expensive and one of the better bivvies on the current market. I’ve been looking at bivvies for several years even saw the review of the Fox before buying a Titan, I’m not saying the Titan is better than the Fox I have a Powerplus that is better. The Titan for me can be a sturdy Brolly through the a full session Bivvy with the extreme canopy.
Ahhh “The Covid”, reading your post reminds me of snatch.
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#498 4 Mar 2021 at 9.38pm | | |
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Between the Frontier Xd and Tempest 150 with a standard bedchair in it (not oval) the remaining floor space is not that much of a difference despite the fact that the XD is 45 cm less wide and 45cm less deep
One of the reasons I didn't want the T150 was: when I go fishing alone I don't want a bivvy that is 315cm wide, there are 2 man bivvies that are less wide, and despite the width of 315 the usable floor space inside is not that big because of the V-shapes, personally for me 315 cm wide is too much for a 1/1.5 man bivvy
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#497 4 Mar 2021 at 9.24pm | | |
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There seems to be a hard sell based upon a flat back bivvy gives you more space. It doesn't, what it does do if you put your bed at the back is give you all the available space at the front.
A tempest type bivvy gives you space both at the front and back. Suits some you know.
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#496 4 Mar 2021 at 8.27pm | | |
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Was bored and put the Frontier in the living room , will return the inner capsule because it is unnecessary for me, have a Samsung S20 pro turned on the flashlight and placed it on the canvas on the outside you don't see any light through the canvas on the inside
I'm going to keep Vapour peak with velco on sides/back it's is ver fast to take off, and it is an upgrade for when it rains, for against sunlight unnecessary
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#495 4 Mar 2021 at 8.14pm | | |
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Would never think the Titan t1 as quality it’s at a quality price like a lot of inflated priced carp tackle I think your right it’s the COVID people are not spending like they were as I’ve always said if people don’t buy they will have no choice but to drop the price looks like it’s been done for us looks like the gravy train might be over
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#494 4 Mar 2021 at 7.09pm | | |
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Interesting, I was surprised to see the Titan t1s in various guises on the bay. obviously taking a hit I wonder if it’s to the financially changing/challenging circumstances that people are facing as opposed to the quality of the product rather than quality of product.
Either way it’s a concern
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#493 4 Mar 2021 at 4.35pm | | |
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Seeing more and more of these popping up for sale
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#492 4 Mar 2021 at 10.50am | | |
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Thanks for taking time to explain they are very expensive carp fishing has gone mad with prices I hope that no one has any problems at that price I didn’t like the plastic joints on the legs and the way it clicks in at front be worried about it breaking on the fox tbh
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#491 4 Mar 2021 at 10.03am | | |
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Frontier is alot higber.
Footprint inside will be roughly the same between the XD and the Tempest 150
So you have 1 a higher bivvy and 2 a bivvy that is only 270cm wide vs Tempest 150 which is 315 wide.
There is a photo, think on fb with Frontier and Tempest groundsheet on top of each other, you can see that the Frontier which is less wide outside still gives a lot of space inside due to the flat/high sides and back
in a Tempest, you should actually use a Oval bedchair, these are specially made to create extra space in your Tempsest, with a normal bed it's ridiculous how much space you lose with V shape bivvy models.
Don't get me wrong I would also be happy with a Tempest, but I am even happier that there is finally a 1.5 man bivvy on the market that is high and has a door height of 143 cm
If the weather is good this weekend I will make a photo series of my XD with inner capsule with bechair and measure everything.
Now we all know Fox's reputation so I am also afraid to wait and see how long the Frontier will last, we are already talking about a bivvy that has cost me €838 (€1067 with overwrap) , but from what I have seen so far of quality it's very good.
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#490 4 Mar 2021 at 9.58am | | |
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Can anyone explain What is the difference between the fox and the tempest why would you buy the fox over the tempest as I see a vid on it yesterday doesn’t look much different
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#489 3 Mar 2021 at 10.14pm | | |
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I have the frontier X and own the large ss4 wideboy. Fits perfectly in my bivvy
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#488 3 Mar 2021 at 7.55pm | | |
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Got my innner capsule and vapor peak today, can still get my bedchair and junior bed in it with an extra chair in the front and space for 3 bags behind my bedchair.
Reason why I wanted the XD and the inner capsule, I got an autoimmune disease from mosquitoes and also use Immunosuppressant medication so have to be extra careful an inner capsule is a must for me, that's why I was immediately happy when I saw the Frontier XD, even with the inner capsule it is high inside, you really don't lose much space at the sides/back/front
I bought vapor peak for when it rains without there is no cap that collects the water at the front, will probably always use the vapor peak even when it is not raining
I will soon buy the overwrap also for when I go winter fishing again.
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#487 3 Mar 2021 at 6.46pm | | |
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It was the standard one that the bedchair was touching not the x model.
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#486 3 Mar 2021 at 6.24pm | | |
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I can assure you the X 100% has no issue with a bigger bed in .. i don't get why anyone would by the bigger one then put a capsule in that takes it down a size or slightly more .. then probably add aa wrap how many bloody layers do people need ??
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#485 1 Mar 2021 at 6.47pm | | |
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It was.. and there's me thinking why he wants to sell it 😂
I really like these but it'll have to be the frontier X for that reason or the new Nash hide XL (if they do it in green, not that bird **** camo)
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#484 1 Mar 2021 at 6.28pm | | |
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Putting a xl bed in a Small bivvy
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#483 1 Mar 2021 at 6.20pm | | |
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I’m sure in the pic you can actually see his bed chair pushing the sides out
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#482 1 Mar 2021 at 6.11pm | | |
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Is the the basic frontier? I saw that on there.
Looks too narrow for a bedchair, I've seen 2 on YouTube and the bedchairs are touching the side
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#481 1 Mar 2021 at 5.40pm | | |
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Hasn’t taken long for one to pop up on fb market place
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#480 26 Feb 2021 at 6.20pm | | |
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I ordered the inner capsule / vapor peak today, they are out of stock in most EU shops.
Where I usually buy carp material told me: new expected delivery: April, but this is not 100% certain it could also be alot later.
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#479 26 Feb 2021 at 6.06pm | | |
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I've just had an hour in the garden playing with it (FOX FRONTIER X ) 1st off it is 100% an X and with no instructions it could not have been easier to set up... I pegged it out fitted the groundsheet ,put in the different doors, opened all the windows and put my big nash bed and sleep system in it and still so much room. A nice gap either end of the bed without touching the walls at all and so much spare room. yes a lot of velcro as others have said, but I have no issues with that at all and can see it's reasons for being there especially to cover all the zips keeping everything storm flapped if an over wrap isn't being used.. The vapour cap was bought separately and not arrived yet but it will make it look so much neater give a peak hopefully keep it even cooler and even more water resistant. I really like you can keep the camo in place or fully open up the side openings in the warmest conditions .. Its the 1st bivvy I've bought from new and 1st impression is it's an exceptional bit of kit and I have chosen well. .... only time will tell.. but I'm definitely smiling ..
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#478 25 Feb 2021 at 6.57pm | | |
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In reply to Post #477
Result all round their
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#477 25 Feb 2021 at 1.20pm | | |
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I ordered a frontier x for £499 from rods and lines F2 Sapphire Court, George Rd, Bromsgrove Technology Park, Bromsgrove, B60 3FP - T: 0121 663 6650 online Sunday arrived yesterday via Royal mail in 3 days ... not unpacked it yet it was on E-bay and on Amazon but i think I got the last or only 1 advertised at this time.
just picked up a brand new X vapour peak for £74.00 delivered as well result.
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#476 25 Feb 2021 at 12.03pm | | |
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Leave it with me I will ask Tom now
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#475 25 Feb 2021 at 11.43am | | |
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#473 25 Feb 2021 at 11.29am | | |
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Carpy09 sent me his picture via Fb, luckily I don't have this with my Xd
Link carpy09 XD Picv
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#472 25 Feb 2021 at 9.49am | | |
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I've no idea mate. To be honest the communication from Vale has been extremely poor.
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#471 25 Feb 2021 at 9.04am | | |
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Has the courier still not sorted it out
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#470 25 Feb 2021 at 8.21am | | |
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Be interested to know too. Thinking of cancelling my order with Vale as they seem to be messing me around.
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#469 25 Feb 2021 at 7.58am | | |
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Where was selling the X for £500?
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#468 25 Feb 2021 at 0.05am | | |
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Yes I have got photo of the marks but no good with uploading them on here
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#467 24 Feb 2021 at 9.16pm | | |
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One thing that puzzles me is they have spent a fortune printing a full glossy brochure WHY ? what a waste of money ! We are supposed to be cutting down on printing........
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#466 24 Feb 2021 at 8.41pm | | |
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Got any photos of it?
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#465 24 Feb 2021 at 5.23pm | | |
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What do you mean mate? Just so I can look for it on mine
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#464 24 Feb 2021 at 4.27pm | | |
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Got my frontier XD last week took it over the lake today to set it up properly and check it out and it has couple of tiny areas where the new inner lining as scraped back so back to the shop it goes
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#463 24 Feb 2021 at 2.56pm | | |
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Its arrived and the box says its an X so unless its a scam from a reputable dealer then all is good... can't wait to unpack it ..
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#462 23 Feb 2021 at 11.20pm | | |
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Lol I agree with the velcro, guess it's to make everything look tight and stop stuff flapping about in the wind. Hopefully with time the velcro will soften and won't ruin your fingers 
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#461 23 Feb 2021 at 2.50pm | | |
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Nice work Jimmy thanks for sharing
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#460 23 Feb 2021 at 1.59pm | | |
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Loads of room inside,I will be going for the x model
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#459 23 Feb 2021 at 1.45pm | | |
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Some good pics and info there. Thanks
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#458 23 Feb 2021 at 1.18pm | | |
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Picture with some dimensions of the Frontier Xd that I bought today
2 things I don't like:
-Velcro everywhere (my finger is already bleeding )
- Clip in groundsheet.
For the rest top bivvy alot of space for 1 man, 1 man with child ( junior bed)
2 bechairs is possible but it is not a 2 man bivvy
Very strong and thick cloth, very easy to put up/take down (find it easier to set up/break down than my previous Quest Tacke defier)
Very dark inside
-Inner Capsule is not necessary imo, Vapor peak not sure if I buy it (maybe only for summer) Overwrap I buy 100%.
Overwrap can be done just as quickly as the Vapor peak (think even faster)
-Height in the middle: 163cm
-Width inside @ front: 267cm
-Inside width @ back: 235
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#457 22 Feb 2021 at 11.08pm | | |
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I also got the X for the same price. Hopefully you won't be disappointed, my brother has a trakker and the only think putting him off was the pack down size, being bigger than his. Obviously no one can vouch for the durability of it lomg term but that seems to be the only question from owners so far.
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#456 22 Feb 2021 at 6.49pm | | |
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FOX FRONTIER X BIVVY SYSTEM
Total: £499.99
Order number: 23-06616-1903
Item number: 383970619629
Money Back Guarantee eBay Money Back Guarantee
I thought the same but advert is 100% clear its the X and i double checked e-bay and on amazon ads before paying if it doesn't turn up as an x i'll be returning it ..
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#455 22 Feb 2021 at 6.26pm | | |
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Ild double or infact tripple check that's not the smaller frontier for that price and being available.
But good find if it is an X
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#454 22 Feb 2021 at 5.27pm | | |
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After looking for a new bivvy for several months and reading reports on most current models available and being a big trakker fan for all my luggage it seemed only inevitable really I'd go with a trakker Bivvy .. being honest i'd not even considered fox .. after looking at all options rightly or wrongly and reading this thread I have actually gone with the Frontier X . But it's one thing deciding another actually finding the thing.. eventually I found just 1 Frontier X online at a price of £499.00 delivered... I've just had confirmation of Delivery Wednesday... fingers crossed but I'm confident this will be the correct choice ... being 100% honest 1 thing put me off the camo mozzi finish ... I've never had anything Camo in 45 years+ on the bank... cheers all for a great informative thread..
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#453 21 Feb 2021 at 10.36pm | | |
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#452 21 Feb 2021 at 7.44pm | | |
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#451 21 Feb 2021 at 7.29pm | | |
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They are checking them for leaks
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#450 21 Feb 2021 at 7.23pm | | |
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Better check with the supplier as there's likely to be a few Frontiers at the bottom of the ocean.
https://themaritimepost.com/2021/02/18/another-maersk-ship-loses-several-containers-in-pacific/
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#449 21 Feb 2021 at 4.40pm | | |
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In reply to Post #433
"collective amnesia".
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#448 21 Feb 2021 at 4.18pm | | |
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The left and right poles shouldn't be an issue as they just sit in a groove rather than properly click in to place. My only concern is the centre one that clicks in to place but touch wood it'll be fine.
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#447 21 Feb 2021 at 12.59pm | | |
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Took my Frontier X out for a test ,yesterday
Total weight with Vapour peak ,ground sheet pegs ect in the bag came in at 16.6 Kg.
It fits a Nash SS3 Wide with around 6 inches clearance at both ends.and plenty of room inside .
Clipping the arms in is relatively straightforward , taking apart does make you feel like you may bend them , but i didnt, how long the boss will last clipping them in and out (wear and tear) ,who knows .
All in id say well made and an excellent bivvy .
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#446 20 Feb 2021 at 10.04pm | | |
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Frontier gives even more space  The block on the frontier doesn’t seem to be under the tension like the tempest, just see how the clip holds out, this would be my guess that is what will go first in these
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#445 20 Feb 2021 at 1.24pm | | |
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Just wanted a bit more usable space inside and the tempest bivvy gives me that
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#444 20 Feb 2021 at 12.57pm | | |
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What was wrong with the Armo?
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#443 20 Feb 2021 at 12.36pm | | |
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In reply to Post #442
I had a trakker armo when first did the aquatexx version,what a pile of **** that was.I had an aqua m2 think it was that had no peak then had the m3 which is still my favourite bivvy.I now have a tempest v2 bivvy which ticks alot of boxes,it just feels so tight when set it up that it worries me it is going to rip
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#442 20 Feb 2021 at 12.25pm | | |
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Have you had an Armo?
Armo for camping, Tempest Brolly for fishing. The Armo has done about 8 years and the brolly 3 and not a bother with each so far.
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#441 20 Feb 2021 at 12.02pm | | |
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15-20 years,im lucky if I keep a bivvy for 15-20 months.I just can't honestly find a bivvy I'm 100% happy with so I'm hoping these do stand upto bad weather and the block is robust
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#440 20 Feb 2021 at 11.36am | | |
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It was a tongue in cheek comment hence the silly smiley.
I hope it’s robust design and lasts, I did see the Fox video and thought it might be the weak link however the Bivvy does look well thought out. I purchased the T1 as although I don’t need another Bivvy I’ve fancied one for sometime. It’s not perfect and I want to re enforce the inner capsule clipping points with some gorilla tape. And I’m still waiting for two rear poles as the rivets where not satisfactory, that will get sorted in due course. Like my others bivvies id hope to get 15-20 years out of the T1.
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#439 20 Feb 2021 at 11.29am | | |
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I have compared mainly in terms of quality.
Compare to the Pioneer 100 was with the Pioneer 150 in mind (only 100 in shop) and T1 camo is 275 cm x 197 cm so no big difference vs XD 270 x 210, although the difference is big inside
Not so sure if T1 is proven quality, have seen many with problems
In Belgium we are allowed to fish on private waters at night (first night will be next weekend).
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#438 20 Feb 2021 at 11.18am | | |
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In reply to Post #434
T1 and pio 100 are both smaller bivvies than the xd so pointless comparison unless trying to compare quality but the titan and pioneer are proven designs. Fox produced some great bivvies in the past so let's hope this one is a return to those days.
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#437 20 Feb 2021 at 10.52am | | |
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In reply to Post #436
If it leaks at the block the MK2 will have material over it with
A velcro panel. I'm off to the patent office.
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#436 20 Feb 2021 at 10.42am | | |
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In reply to Post #435
Why what is wrong with the block or are you just guessing it will have issues based on your expert opinion
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#435 20 Feb 2021 at 10.24am | | |
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In reply to Post #423
Sort the block out 🤪
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#434 20 Feb 2021 at 9.59am | | |
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I compared the Frontier XD in shop side by side with the Titan T1, pioneer 100, tempest 150, the where all 4 in shop next to each other (my budget was 1000euro)
I am 100% sure that I made the best choice with the Frontier XD, the marketing of Fox about the Frontier is a joke (yeah right 5 years to development lol ) but the Frontier is Top
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#433 20 Feb 2021 at 9.55am | | |
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In reply to Post #431
This is an example of what social scientists call the 'Supabrolly Effect'. A perfect storm of group hysteria whipped up by clever marketing and social media. And fuelled by a group of anglers suffering from collective amnesia.
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#432 20 Feb 2021 at 8.34am | | |
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Tuesday I will have my Frontier Xd, if the weather is good I will set it up with bedchair, chair, bags/table take pictures and will measure everything.
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#431 20 Feb 2021 at 7.02am | | |
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I must admit I keep looking at this bivvy despite telling myself each time that it is Fox and to just walk away.... ....why oh why do they persist with ****ty clip in groundsheets though?
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#430 20 Feb 2021 at 0.30am | | |
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In reply to Post #429
Very true !! 
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#429 19 Feb 2021 at 10.29pm | | |
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In reply to Post #427
No One can use them over night yet for a decent time so that might be a reason, not slating the frontier just saying that might be why, every bivvy ever made always has a couple come back
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#428 19 Feb 2021 at 10.11pm | | |
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I am very difficult to please, but the material feels strong and the fittings were superb. The elbow joints are so easy to put together and click faultlessly in to place. I also love the way that the bivvy stands up after you pull all the arms out allowing you to peg it slowly and precisely. The height is also a plus. I have the XD with inner dome. 165cm is comfortable for me to live with, especially being partially disabled. The other aspect i like is in the winter, its easy to add the winter wrap, click the 3 poles in to place, roll back and peg, instead of pulling the wrap all over the place to peg it ! All in all I think it is a winner. If there is anyone in the Norfolk area that wants to have a look before buying please pm me, would be happy to oblige.
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#427 19 Feb 2021 at 5.36pm | | |
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having spoke to two shops who have sold a few frontiers and xd's so far no returns.fingers crossed as i wouldn mind one myself
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#426 19 Feb 2021 at 5.10pm | | |
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Very disappointed with TFT. Ordered in September and then told after their first delivery of the Frontiers that they had under ordered and they did not know when the next lot would be in ! I am sure I would have still been waiting if Vale Royal had not saved the day !!!!!!
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#425 19 Feb 2021 at 4.24pm | | |
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Has anyone else had an update from TFT for when they will receive a fox frontier bivvy? Got told that they will be here soon
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#424 17 Feb 2021 at 12.22pm | | |
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In reply to Post #423
Just a daft comment by him... I think a camo version will come in time
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#423 17 Feb 2021 at 10.31am | | |
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In reply to Post #422
Why what do you think they can do to improve it to make a mk2 version
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#422 17 Feb 2021 at 10.21am | | |
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In reply to Post #420
Just in time for the MKII
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#421 17 Feb 2021 at 10.00am | | |
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In reply to Post #420
Thats what I'm doing
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#420 17 Feb 2021 at 7.20am | | |
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I really like these but will give it 12 months i think.
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#419 17 Feb 2021 at 0.10am | | |
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I will go for the X if I decide to get one
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#418 17 Feb 2021 at 0.00am | | |
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That's what I'm worried about.. I think I'll wait for the X..
Or just wait to see them all up in a shop when we can
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#417 16 Feb 2021 at 11.40pm | | |
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A couple of videos on you tube showing the standard frontier and it seems to have room at the front.It shows if push your bedchair right to the back it touches the sides though on one video
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#416 16 Feb 2021 at 11.25pm | | |
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That's my exact point.. the air is deeper but with less usable floor space because of the sloping headroom.
Ideally I don't want something too big to peg out but the frontier has the height
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#415 16 Feb 2021 at 4.47pm | | |
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In reply to Post #414
The problem with bivvies is that you can't compare them by the dimensions becouse off diffrent design
A Trakker tempest T100 is bigger on paper than the Frontier, but due to the flat back and flat side you have more inner space with the Frontier than with the T100.
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#414 16 Feb 2021 at 4.34pm | | |
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Why don't you compare the dimensions of each, that should give you a good indication of size.
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#413 16 Feb 2021 at 11.28am | | |
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Has anyone got the frontier bivvy? Plenty with the larger ones.
Just want there review on size.
Currently got a V2 air and that size works for the swims at my lake.
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#412 16 Feb 2021 at 11.01am | | |
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No it's not tones off space with 2 beds in it , Fox is also clear about it: We will nog bring a Frontier 2 man on the market.
And the floorspace is not 270 x 210, the space inside on the flat sides is 160/165 perfect for a junior bed to set against the side, but you cannot put an adult bedchair against the sides
2 Bedchair only fit in the Xd if you place them in width, then you will have 10 / 20cm left at the front, comfortable? dont think so
Yes, the Yt shows 2 people (1 adult, 1 kid) but only 1 bedchair, look again and picture a 2nd bedchair, the bivvy will be almost completely filled and you will have almost no space for storage except under your bedchair, that i dont call a 2 man bivvy.
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#411 16 Feb 2021 at 10.51am | | |
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In reply to Post #409
They're already released in the UK. I have one and know a few places still selling stock a week or so ago.
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#410 16 Feb 2021 at 10.50am | | |
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In reply to Post #406
The height is 165. The floor pace is 270x210 so could easily get 2 in, I dont get the purpose of the inner dome as this makes it the size of the standard version which in my eyes defeats the point of going for the largest.
The YouTube video by fox shows two people in the XD and there's tonnes of space.
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#409 16 Feb 2021 at 10.14am | | |
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In reply to Post #408
So any whispers/rumours on when a expected delivery date for the UK ??
I have seen a few Frontiers and Frontier XD but very few of the Frontier x.
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#408 16 Feb 2021 at 10.03am | | |
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In reply to Post #407
Belgium store (Lisarde)
They have the standard Frontier set up in the store, but the shop owner unpacked the frontier XD to see what it was like with all the tackle in it.
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#407 16 Feb 2021 at 9.57am | | |
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Which store is it the frontier is put up ?
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#406 15 Feb 2021 at 11.13pm | | |
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In reply to Post #404
The Xd is not a 2 man, maby for 2 hobbits, yes if you want you can get 2 beds in it (only without the inner capsule) but it is not comfortable and you have to put everything under your beds.
You can only place 2 adult bedchairs in the width, 2 bedchairs along each other in length is not possible
The Xd have 160/165 cm space from the back to the front along the entire length inside, with 2 beds placed width you wil have 10/15 cm space left on the front if you call that 2 man then My slx v3 plus is a 4 man bivvy
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#405 15 Feb 2021 at 9.41pm | | |
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In reply to Post #402
In my opinion it is very large in comparison to his, its the only thing putting him off. Not for the person who wants to travel light, but then again its classed as a bivvy, not a brolly or shelter. But if you own a barrow it's hardly an issue.
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#404 15 Feb 2021 at 9.38pm | | |
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In reply to Post #403
The XD is the largest 2 man. The X is the 1.5/large one man.
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#403 15 Feb 2021 at 7.07pm | | |
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Back to shop today for compare T1 with Xd, T1 is no match for the XD, XD bag is 160cm the bivvy bag is large enough to put the bivvy back in easily
These were the things I put in the XD in the store today
-Junior bed 150 x 65 against the side
-Bedchair 205x 80 angled
-Behind the bedchair: bivvy table, Solar Undercover Camo Carryall, cool box,
-There was also plenty of room in the front to put 2 chairs in it
XD is a very big 1/1.5 man bivvy.
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#402 15 Feb 2021 at 6.46pm | | |
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In reply to Post #401
Is the pack down size that big? Got a V2 air and that's tiny.
Had a m3 and that was like a body bag!
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#401 14 Feb 2021 at 10.59pm | | |
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In reply to Post #397
My brother owns a trakker and he was with me when I put up my frontier. He's in two minds of whether to replace his trakker because he liked the frontier so much, only thing putting him off is the pack down size being much bigger l. But he's just paid 200 quid for a barrow so it would give it some use lol
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#400 14 Feb 2021 at 6.04pm | | |
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In reply to Post #397
I have had fox ventec ripstop shelters and the material is very good,it feels more robust than the trakker aquatexx.If Fox get the build quality right on these then they could be taking over the tempest.I just have my doubts though
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#399 14 Feb 2021 at 5.56pm | | |
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In reply to Post #397
It is a very good design thats for sure.
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#398 14 Feb 2021 at 5.53pm | | |
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In reply to Post #396
That's why I'm retard
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#397 14 Feb 2021 at 4.41pm | | |
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In reply to Post #395
I agree, not sure on build quality and materials etc but the design is the best on the market IMO. Flat backed, higher version of the tempest. Trakker needs to follow suit
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#396 14 Feb 2021 at 4.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #395
I reckon a zip would get crushed.,magnetic strips might have been better
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#395 14 Feb 2021 at 4.17pm | | |
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In reply to Post #394
I think Fox will cain the market with these.
Maybe I'm wrong here, got me thinking about the ground sheet flap thing, would it not have been better to put a decent zip on it rather than velcro as over time, the velcro will get clogged up with crap and won't stick together properly? Adding a zip would have crap get into it too mind.
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#394 13 Feb 2021 at 1.19pm | | |
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I got the bivvy quickly from Vale Royal last week, could not be happier. Braved the wind today and put it up in minutes. It was a bit stiff but soon went up. It makes a great difference when your not messing about with loads of connecting pipes ! Loads of room inside, even with my SS5 MF60 Wideboy. The material looks even better than the fox R series bivvies. I got the XD with inner dome and it comes installed. The winter skin goes on really quickly - attach the front poles and roll backwards, you know its over properly that way first time ! Could not be happier with the Frontier and of course the excellent service from Vale Royal.
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#393 13 Feb 2021 at 12.16pm | | |
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In reply to Post #392
Going off topic now, probably best discussed on another thread but yes I agree.
Best get back to bivvies
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#392 13 Feb 2021 at 11.39am | | |
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In reply to Post #391
Kind of odd considering this
The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, also known as the Huanan Seafood Market, was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan.
Never seen a frozen live animal or sea food.
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#391 13 Feb 2021 at 10.36am | | |
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Yes that's how I understood it but the Chinese are now claiming that covid came into Wuhan through frozen food 
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#390 13 Feb 2021 at 9.34am | | |
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Can't believe some read my post and took it seriously. Having said that the whole carp scene has become a bit of a joke.
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#389 13 Feb 2021 at 0.28am | | |
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In reply to Post #388
I heard they run out of disinfectant
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#388 12 Feb 2021 at 11.13pm | | |
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In reply to Post #387
Anyone received a frontier from total fishing tackle?
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#387 12 Feb 2021 at 10.11pm | | |
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In reply to Post #386
Well nothing to stop you setting up the bivvy as a day shelter I suppose
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#386 12 Feb 2021 at 9.58pm | | |
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In reply to Post #385
OK,
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#385 12 Feb 2021 at 9.56pm | | |
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In reply to Post #384
Not for night fishing
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#384 12 Feb 2021 at 9.49pm | | |
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In reply to Post #383
Loads of lakes are open.
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#383 12 Feb 2021 at 9.47pm | | |
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Well what’s the hurry, it’s not like you can use them. Well unless you set up in your garden
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#382 12 Feb 2021 at 9.45pm | | |
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In reply to Post #380
I'm suprised the crew of the ship survive getting from China to the UK iy takes that long at the minute
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#381 12 Feb 2021 at 9.27pm | | |
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In reply to Post #378
Fogging that's it,that's what we got told about
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#380 12 Feb 2021 at 9.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #379
Exactly right that's why it's laughable about the contents being sprayed.
The biggest hold up is incorrect paperwork right now.
This thread is better than a Netflix series, Adolf Hitler got half a million men across Europe quicker than Fox have shifted these bivvies and most of them were on a horse.
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#379 12 Feb 2021 at 9.12pm | | |
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In reply to Post #378
I thought it was acknowledged that this virus does not survive outside the host body for more than 72 hours. Anything in a sealed container that came from China by sea will surely be safe to handle.
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#378 12 Feb 2021 at 9.03pm | | |
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They do not open containers to disinfect the contents. The containers are sprayed that's it.
Opening a container and disinfecting as described by Goose is laughable, this open's (no pun intended) the importer and ports to all sorts, accusations of theft along with damage to goods and H&S issues.
A lot of container shipments are security sealed, any breakage before the client receives the goods opens all sorts of can's of worms.
The only alternative to what's been described is Fogging, this damages nothing, we fog all our offices on a weekly basis, this includes the computer equipment etc
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#377 12 Feb 2021 at 8.55pm | | |
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In reply to Post #376
They disinfect the inside of the container using some device so the contents are disinfected too.They obviously don't do every single item individually
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#376 12 Feb 2021 at 8.44pm | | |
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In reply to Post #375
Yes the containers not the contents.
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#375 12 Feb 2021 at 8.42pm | | |
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In reply to Post #373
The containers where I work are coming in with different paperwork showing they have been checked and made safe
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#374 12 Feb 2021 at 8.40pm | | |
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In reply to Post #372
Well there’s something in that, when China locked down Wuhan they sprayed the streets with chlorine solution
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#373 12 Feb 2021 at 8.38pm | | |
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In reply to Post #369
What a load of rubbish, ports are not opening containers and disinfecting the contents, That would result in massive damage claim's. I cant believe people believe this cobblers.
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#372 12 Feb 2021 at 7.27pm | | |
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So best open the swimming pools so we can all go for a dip.
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#371 12 Feb 2021 at 6.16pm | | |
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According to the scientists in China and Korea one of the most effective killers of the virus is a weak chlorine solution and surely that’s not in short supply
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#370 12 Feb 2021 at 5.29pm | | |
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In reply to Post #369
Every item in every container is being disinfected?
Really?
Edit:
They seem to be in stock in the EU.
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#369 12 Feb 2021 at 4.53pm | | |
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The delay is at the ports because they have to disinfect everything coming in from China and can't get enough disinfectant to keep up with it. Add in the fact the bivvy manufacturers don't want them disinfected as it will remove what little waterproofing they have and they will all be different colours depending on the amount of disinfectant used. Still at least the container ship rats are getting fat while all this is going on.
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#368 12 Feb 2021 at 12.50pm | | |
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Trust me the shops want the customers to have their items too,they are getting just as frustrated with the situation
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#367 12 Feb 2021 at 12.49pm | | |
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Has anyone on here had a Fox frontier bivvy from TFT as of yet ? I had an email last week saying that mine should be with me this month but after reading this forum I'm not so sure
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#366 12 Feb 2021 at 9.38am | | |
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As has already been said. The retailer has taken money, not the manufacturer. It is not in the manufacturers interests to hold off on delivery to the retailer. They want them out there so that they get their money from the retailer, and to stop the consumers from bleating on
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#365 12 Feb 2021 at 9.03am | | |
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Under normal circumstances I would have been on the phone this morning asking for my money back, which i am sure the retailer would have done without question. However, I pre-ordered mine on Black Friday so got 20% off.......I will still want one when they do actually arrive so i either sit it out or get my refund then pay full whack....
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#364 12 Feb 2021 at 8.59am | | |
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The manufacturer wont have had any money at all for pre-orders. They let the retailers know how many will be allocated to them and then the retailer decides whether to do a pre-order or not, they wont pay Nash until they take delivery so the pre-order money is sat with the retailer.
Delaying a product due to shipping costs is not going to be cost-effective for any company. Something isn't quite stacking up though as the delay was evidently due to them being sat in a container at a port somewhere....and as you said, it doesn't take another 3 to 4 months to solve that!
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#363 12 Feb 2021 at 8.49am | | |
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I wouldn't count out the effect of Covid regulations in China impacting their ability to manufacture. The large manufacturing areas were under house arrest for months.
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#362 12 Feb 2021 at 8.23am | | |
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The bivvies are already paid for via pre-order and the manufacturer has the money in the bank. Container of said bivvies are then manufactured and ready to ship. In the time between the manufacturer calculating their margins and selling price and the product being ready to ship the cost to ship rockets due to covid/Brexit/whatever.
Do you think that the manufacturer (bearing in mind that they already have the money from the customer pre order) will take the hit on their margin and ship at the higher rate? Or delay the shipping in the hope that the costs drop and they can retain their margins?
What doesn’t make sense there?
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#361 12 Feb 2021 at 7.34am | | |
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I really hope you have said that tongue in cheek because if you haven’t then can I please have some of that funky stuff you’re smoking. That makes absolutely no business sense at.
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#360 12 Feb 2021 at 0.35am | | |
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Ive just had a strong sense of Deja Vu . I'm thinking we had a really long Fox Bivvy thread
About 10 years ago on this forum. About anticipation of the Fox Supa Brolly. But a search doesnt go back that far.
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#359 11 Feb 2021 at 11.33pm | | |
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I'm not sure what is going on exactly but it's not good
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#358 11 Feb 2021 at 10.52pm | | |
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I wasn’t aiming at the shops, it’s the manufacturers taking the mick. They are probably just holding out to save money on the shipping now the prices have gone up.
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#357 11 Feb 2021 at 10.44pm | | |
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It's not the shops fault is it and people were aware they were not available straight away.If people are not willing to wait and want their money back im sure the shops will issue a refund straight away.The shops are getting just as frustrated as the customers
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#356 11 Feb 2021 at 10.11pm | | |
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Surely now this means that they have been advertised and sold with money taken up front for something that has not even been manufactured yet? Even with the world as it is it does not take 7 months to ship a container from anywhere on the planet.
If it was me I would want my money back in my pocket while I waited for them to sort their act out. It’s not as if they will be limited edition once they finally hit the shops.
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#355 11 Feb 2021 at 5.47pm | | |
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In reply to Post #354
I will drop him an email....
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#354 11 Feb 2021 at 5.16pm | | |
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#353 11 Feb 2021 at 4.05pm | | |
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Bugger!
Has that come from Tom at Vale Royal Tony?
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#352 11 Feb 2021 at 3.49pm | | |
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In reply to Post #351
Nash have sent email to the shops this morning
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#351 11 Feb 2021 at 3.11pm | | |
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Where have they said that Tony, haven't seen anything on their social media?
Nash told me a week or two ago they would be here sometime in March. If it could be as long as June I will seriously consider pulling my pre-order...that said, I will still want one...
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#350 11 Feb 2021 at 3.04pm | | |
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Well Fox delayed the Frontier and people were moaning and kicking off about it.How are people feeling now Nash have announced the camo hides are going be May/June.
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#349 9 Feb 2021 at 6.27pm | | |
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Yes sorry was replying to the comment about the RM bivvy
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#348 9 Feb 2021 at 6.11pm | | |
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So are all the dimensions on the fox website for the frontier external ?
It doesn’t say
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#347 9 Feb 2021 at 6.09pm | | |
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In reply to Post #345
Ah yes my bad
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#346 9 Feb 2021 at 5.49pm | | |
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250 wide outside...
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#345 9 Feb 2021 at 5.35pm | | |
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Think he means the ridgemonkey bivvy sundance mentioned
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#344 9 Feb 2021 at 5.23pm | | |
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Well that’s strange the basic frontier is 250cm wide and the indulgence bed chair is 200cm
So in theory it should deffo fit across the bivvy.
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#343 9 Feb 2021 at 5.00pm | | |
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My mate bought the 1 man and his indulgence bed didn’t fit so had to buy another bed. His bed had to be really wedged between the 2 sides
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#342 9 Feb 2021 at 3.02pm | | |
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#341 9 Feb 2021 at 2.49pm | | |
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Yes Tony I agree
I thought that's what this section was all about, asking appropriate questions to enable you to make an informed decision, and like you said 4" could be quite important to some people
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#340 9 Feb 2021 at 1.15pm | | |
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Already been said but can be the difference between being able use the bivvy with your current bed chair or not. I have the frontier X which is about 11cm wider than the standard, having put my nash ss4 chair in the standard would have been too small and would need to be replaced
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#339 9 Feb 2021 at 12.24pm | | |
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Clearly lockdown and drink getting to some
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#338 9 Feb 2021 at 11.31am | | |
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Yep. Ask anyone that bought a ridgemonkey
Bivvy that was advertised as being able to fit any bedchair
With ease. And have now found it isnt wide enough across.
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#337 9 Feb 2021 at 11.11am | | |
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Zinno
I like the footprint of the Hide XL, so would really like to see one next to a frontier XD
the main advantage for me would be the increased door height as i am quite tall.
I would think the usable floor space will be very similar, although the Frontier has more upright sides, so may be marginally better in that respect.
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#336 9 Feb 2021 at 11.07am | | |
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wind it in, someone asked so i replied
10cm can make a difference with bedchairs, so it was a valid question and a valid response.
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#335 9 Feb 2021 at 7.31am | | |
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Lol 10cm can make a lot of difference in a bivvy example for your bedchair, no need to be rude if you have no clue ....
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#334 9 Feb 2021 at 0.26am | | |
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Well if I had 4inches less I would have two belly buttons
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#333 9 Feb 2021 at 0.21am | | |
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Ooooo 10cm jhees its getting as bad as mumsnet or what ever its called... you lot are getting bad with lockdown just think about what 4 inch is... not even your kettle in the corner... grow up lads please
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#332 7 Feb 2021 at 7.52pm | | |
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On paper it is 10 cm wider but that says nothing about the actual usable interior space, my Quest tackle spec are 280 x 225 but inside i have less space then in a Frontier XD
Anyone that have seen both?
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#331 7 Feb 2021 at 7.40pm | | |
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Hide XL is 10 cm wider same depth but the Frontier XD is taller especially the door
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#330 7 Feb 2021 at 7.25pm | | |
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Is the Titan hide xl pro bigger inside then the XD?
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#329 7 Feb 2021 at 7.08pm | | |
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Is the xd a 2 man
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#328 7 Feb 2021 at 12.29pm | | |
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That’s it, it used to be Specialist Tackle In Collier Row.
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#327 7 Feb 2021 at 12.18pm | | |
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Of course that's correct. However it's human nature to want nice, better, even more aesthetically pleasing things and if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford it why not.
As others have said, when buying mass produced stuff from China, there is no guarantee the next shipment will be better than the last.
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#326 7 Feb 2021 at 11.51am | | |
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It’s stuff mass produced in China. Of course there can be quality control issues when it’s mass produced. Do you really expect fox to open up every shelter that comes though, and check it over, and the weather test it. It’s a risk we take when buying stuff. Yes it’s inconvenient, but it happens in all industries producing stuff in China.
There was a thread about an issue with a dymag net the other month, and everyone jumped to their defense about it. An issue with a hand made piece is worse in my mind as it should have been caught when being made.
Everyone just needs to chill a bit and see this stuff for what it is. You could wait a year, to buy one after the first 2 shipments are spot on. The 3rd shipment could have issues. Waiting won’t avoid any potential issues.
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#325 7 Feb 2021 at 10.28am | | |
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Not just bivvies, look at some of the off the shelf rod prices at £500+,reels at £600+ but no matter how much the manufacturer hypes up the product one fact will never change, a good angler with mediocre kit will always be more successful than a mediocre angler with all the best kit.
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#324 7 Feb 2021 at 10.02am | | |
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I mean you buy it after it is a year old and been used
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#323 7 Feb 2021 at 10.01am | | |
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Unfortunately most bivvies/brollies have issues,like I said once it becomes mass produced.I have had more issues with Trakker bivvies than any other make but I now have a v2 tempest bivvy that's spot on.Its crazy how expensive some of these shelters are getting without the quality to justify it
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#322 7 Feb 2021 at 9.47am | | |
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Would I wait a year to see if one of the sponsored anglers have problems so they can rectify it? Yes of course I would  They have no quality control. I won’t go on about fox as they do some good stuff but I’ve had 2 ultras and both was crap. Forgot quality control, the build quality was that of what I’d expect of a 10 yr old
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#321 7 Feb 2021 at 9.41am | | |
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It can be put through its paces for years but it's when it becomes mass produced issues occur.Would you prefer to buy a bivvy that's been used for a year by one of the companies anglers then still pay full whack for it as its been tested.
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#320 7 Feb 2021 at 8.02am | | |
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Not if it’s been put through it’s paces properly.
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#319 7 Feb 2021 at 7.51am | | |
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Proud to say i will be one of the new Testers middle of next week with the Frontier X and Vapour shield 
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#318 6 Feb 2021 at 10.57pm | | |
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Isnt every new model of bivvy a tester? New materials, new manufacturing processes etc. And there's far more expensive bivvies out there.
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#317 6 Feb 2021 at 9.52pm | | |
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Hell of a lot of money to be a tester
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#316 6 Feb 2021 at 9.09pm | | |
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And how do you know this bivvy is no good? Until its been tested by anglers when night fishing is allowed we won't know
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#315 6 Feb 2021 at 2.15pm | | |
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I actually think some Fox stuff is very good, their luggage particularly the Camolite is very good quality.
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#314 6 Feb 2021 at 9.06am | | |
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Been on here a long time too. And people use that phrase
A lot. Or say something is looking 'carpy'. Ive even seen carbon pods referred to as looking ''sexy'. Men buy on looks all the time. How else can anyone justify Korda SIngelz?
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#313 6 Feb 2021 at 7.57am | | |
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Well said Heff
He’s like a stuck record
Obviously has a chip on his shoulder about something
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#312 5 Feb 2021 at 11.03pm | | |
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You dont like fox bivvys, youve made that clear several times already on this thread so far, but give it a rest now please mate, its boring
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#311 5 Feb 2021 at 10.39pm | | |
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Why not? That's the only field testing it will have seen
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#310 5 Feb 2021 at 7.04pm | | |
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It never went away mate. Cant remember the name of the woman that had it when i first started going there, jo maybe? Was in woodford then. She had taken it over from her dad. Then sold it to a guy called gary who used to work there. Gary then sold it to mark who runs it with his sons. It moved to collier row, took over the shop that was specialist tackle, but cant remember wether it was gary or mark who had it when they moved.
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#309 5 Feb 2021 at 5.53pm | | |
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Wow Keswell is back up and running? Same family or just the name?
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#308 5 Feb 2021 at 5.41pm | | |
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That will be fieldtested then unlike most companies on the market
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#307 5 Feb 2021 at 5.41pm | | |
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From personal experience I'd rather not have fishing gear kicking about a couriers depot or van for to long 👎
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#306 5 Feb 2021 at 5.34pm | | |
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Me vans bust and can't get it fixed till a week next Tuesday as part not available, boss won't get another van to me so bivvied up in your bivvy till van is sorted, will let you know if it's waterproof and try not to spill to much of the takeaway food I'll be living on.
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#305 5 Feb 2021 at 5.28pm | | |
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Hope you get it soon
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#304 5 Feb 2021 at 5.17pm | | |
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Yes I spoke to him and he said it had been posted. Think he's gonna track it with the courier to see what's happening. I'm in no rush, it's just the not knowing lol.
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#303 5 Feb 2021 at 4.50pm | | |
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I think every shop has issues at some point,the problem is alot of the time they are messed about by the company supplying them.It gets just as frustrating for the shop as it does the customer
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#302 5 Feb 2021 at 4.40pm | | |
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TFT are very well known for taking there time with pre orders, if they have the stuff in stock then they are very good but wouldnt pre order anything off them ever again tho
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#301 5 Feb 2021 at 4.17pm | | |
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Keswalls in collier row had some available earlier this week. Not sure if they are still available but could be worth a call to anyone looking for one
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#300 5 Feb 2021 at 3.53pm | | |
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Tom said yours had definitely left the shop mate so hopefully be with you soon
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#299 5 Feb 2021 at 3.07pm | | |
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Well my friends, alot happier now ! I spoke to Rod at Vale Royal and my XD will be on its way shortly. I asked TFT for refund ! Very impressed with Vale Royal, will be shopping there more.
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#298 5 Feb 2021 at 1.46pm | | |
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I have had that with TFT before, (when the Titan was re-launched) placed my order on a pre-order basis and instead of limiting this to the number they have allocated for their first drop they sell as many as they can. If you are lucky and are within the first drop, happy days otherwise you have to wait until the second and sometimes third order......
I had pre-ordered my Titan on the same day it went live on their website yet wasn't included on the first drop which i found very hard to believe.....was then told the second drop would be 2 weeks later which I was fine about but that came and went.....looked around the net and there were plenty of other shops showing they had them in stock so cancelled TFT and went elsewhere 
Sometimes there is such hysteria that FOMO kicks in and people rush to pre-order when in reality there isn't any need...
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#297 5 Feb 2021 at 1.25pm | | |
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Still waiting on mine too. It was posted a week ago so it's down to the courier. Have you checked that yours hasn't been posted? You could be in the same situation as me.
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#296 5 Feb 2021 at 11.53am | | |
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Yup, I saw on here that they oversold the pre orders and I had one update from them in 4 months and that was to say it could be May, I cancelled my order with TFT and ordered from a local tackle shop and it came next day.
If you look on eBay there’s a few tackle shops advertising on there that they have them in stock. Give them a call instead just to make sure they have them in first.
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#295 5 Feb 2021 at 11.49am | | |
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I'm sure someone else up in the thread canceled their order because they were taking the pish when many anglers have now received theirs. Id shop around, find somewhere with stock in and cancel your order with TFT
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#294 5 Feb 2021 at 3.27am | | |
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Hi all, getting a bit frustrated, TFT have still not sent me the one I ordered (In September). I got an email saying it should be soon , but not to get my hopes up as they have only got so many in.
Did someone say they have them in stock somewhere ? May cancel my order with TFT and go elsewhere .......
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#293 4 Feb 2021 at 11.41pm | | |
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Yet for me the Pioneer and Titan never offered anything more actually less than my Nash Canvas and Profile, even the Dillo wasn’t enough to sway me having a powerplus in my armoury.
25 years on and I still think they are better than anything since, sure I have a T1 and yet I doubt if I had only one Bivvy it would be that. I would probably look at one of the Tracker Tempest, the Carbon Compact did struck a chord with the Utility front.
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#292 4 Feb 2021 at 11.38pm | | |
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The T1 is an excellent design imho, has its draw back still think my powerplus a 20 plus year old Bivvy shames everything in the market when compared the the all whistles and bells. However my T1 stripped back is great and full blown decent.
Having used a various brollies for 90% of my fishing over 30 years I still think they are hard to beat for practicality and if I had one Bivvy it would be that with an over warp.
We are all different and I hope you enjoy the Fox and get many years out of it.
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#291 4 Feb 2021 at 0.32am | | |
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Falling out on how a bivvy looks,come on guys its a fishing tent.We can't all like the same things,life would be boring.I like it personally for its functionality as I have never really looked at a bit of green/camo material and thought wow that's good looking
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#290 3 Feb 2021 at 11.33pm | | |
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any other naughty words you want the forum to filter out.
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#289 3 Feb 2021 at 11.20pm | | |
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Apologies
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#288 3 Feb 2021 at 11.05pm | | |
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whats all this "add value" bollox?? .... This is a forum, its an opinion and im entitled to voice it as much as you are entitled to defend it
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#287 3 Feb 2021 at 11.04pm | | |
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Lol. I agree with both comments. You arent going to buy something you don't like the look of and you aren't going to buy something that looks good but is s**t. But his comment did add no value to anyone
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#286 3 Feb 2021 at 10.53pm | | |
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Grow up pal... Your comments about the bivvy add no value whatsoever...
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#285 3 Feb 2021 at 10.38pm | | |
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im sensing you may have bought one
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#284 3 Feb 2021 at 10.35pm | | |
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#283 3 Feb 2021 at 10.25pm | | |
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I agree, hence why I said everyone has there own opinion? But if you have a choice between two bivvies after doing your research you'll choose the one you prefer the look of. Same applies with anything you buy
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#282 3 Feb 2021 at 9.36pm | | |
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Only an absolute noddy from noddyland would say such a thing and he has 14k+ posts therefore he’s not exactly a Covid carping pleb, maybe a pleb, but that’s beside the point. He’s just looking for a reaction. I mean, “good looking” bivvy Only noddys would say something like that and really mean it.
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#281 3 Feb 2021 at 9.17pm | | |
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Does it matter what they look like really.....
Function over form surely
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#280 3 Feb 2021 at 5.17pm | | |
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You see I don't like the looks of the nash T1, think its rather ugly. I do like the look of the new hides though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions
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#279 3 Feb 2021 at 4.58pm | | |
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Titan and Pioneer both handsome bits of kit
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#278 3 Feb 2021 at 4.57pm | | |
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for me if i'm honest,the best looking brolly i saw
was when i first saw nash's original oval umbrella with the velcro all around the edge, and the infill panels which just velcroed to the umbrella
first time if i'm right a oval umbrella was sold ?
brought one as soon i as i saw it, bit of a game changer for me,
with the oval you got a bit more room sideways for the bedchair, up till then it was a nubrolly with nas sides or over wrap
then after that, the titan,
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#276 3 Feb 2021 at 4.29pm | | |
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Can you tell me what you think is a good looking bivvy ... They are all little green tents to me !!
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#275 3 Feb 2021 at 3.04pm | | |
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I can't say I have ever looked at a bivvy and thought wow you're good looking.I guess if a good looking tent floats your boat then it takes all sorts
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#274 3 Feb 2021 at 2.39pm | | |
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Wow.... Good to see your adding value to the thread🤫
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#273 3 Feb 2021 at 2.03pm | | |
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Having seen a few photos of these Frontiers ..... they are one ugly looking bivvy
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#272 3 Feb 2021 at 12.00pm | | |
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I have the X and the bag is rather big, quite a bit longer than my 2 man I had before but I guess it's because youre only folding joints in half rather than in 4 like on my two man. It does state the pack down size online but im not that bothered as its only in the bag for transportation, up its half a meter small in width and length so considerably smaller once up.
I did think I was missing a clip on my groundsheet but I hadn't lined the groundsheet up correct inside so was slightly off, fixed it pretty quick.
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#271 2 Feb 2021 at 3.36pm | | |
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Yeah I think the X is a good shout, I’m actually slightly concerned about getting this thing around to be honest but the lakes i fish are pretty small. Like I said I’ll pop some pics n stuff here when I get chance and at least everyone can get a rough idea before buying.
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#270 2 Feb 2021 at 3.26pm | | |
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I'm going go for the x if I take the plunge
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#269 2 Feb 2021 at 3.06pm | | |
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I’ve got the XD, just off initial impressions. Bag is huge and definitely oversized, material looks good, groundsheet is good quality and had a quick look at the elbows and seem okay.
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#268 2 Feb 2021 at 3.01pm | | |
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Which model have you had
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#267 2 Feb 2021 at 2.57pm | | |
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Just took delivery of mine, will put it up tonight and see if anything’s missing. I can tell you one thing already though, it’s huge.
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#266 2 Feb 2021 at 2.03pm | | |
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Seen one guy having an issue with clips missing on his groundsheet has anyone else found anything else yet
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#265 1 Feb 2021 at 8.54pm | | |
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Yes I agree, hence I was surprised when I checked the dimensions
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#264 1 Feb 2021 at 8.36pm | | |
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It looks it on that video
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#263 1 Feb 2021 at 8.31pm | | |
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The XD is actually slightly narrower than a Nash Hide XL same depth but taller
So I’d not call it huge
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#262 1 Feb 2021 at 8.17pm | | |
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Without inner capsule the Xd can fit 2 small beds, but I wouldn't call it a 2 man bivvy
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#261 1 Feb 2021 at 8.15pm | | |
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It was more that video of the xd where the guy said about two beds,the xd looks huge.I will let you test it out and see if any issues show up
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#260 1 Feb 2021 at 8.09pm | | |
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😂 And me but it gives you a guide on the room... Plenty big enough and yet shallower than a tempest...
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#259 1 Feb 2021 at 7.55pm | | |
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I dont want squeeze two beds in it mate,I go fishing to escape .Once there is a bit of longer feedback and reviews its the x I will go for
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#258 1 Feb 2021 at 7.51pm | | |
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If you want some pics send me your email, I reckon you could squeeze in 2 bedchair into the x if your asking the Mrs and kids, the xd definitely is huge without the capsule...
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#257 1 Feb 2021 at 11.39am | | |
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In reply to Post #256
I know,I live near Alsager
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#256 1 Feb 2021 at 11.27am | | |
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In reply to Post #255
Definitely could have done HF as it’s only down the road, didn’t even think to be honest.
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#255 1 Feb 2021 at 11.22am | | |
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In reply to Post #254
Could you not have done click and collect from hf angling in crewe,I know Vale Royal have got them in stock too
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#254 1 Feb 2021 at 11.14am | | |
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Cancelled my TFT order as no sign at all of it being delivered. They seemed relieved when I asked to cancel so supports the comment below of them overselling pre orders.
Ordered from Tasker’s angling and it’s coming tomorrow (they have two left in stock)
Will pop a video in here when it comes and I have chance.
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#253 1 Feb 2021 at 11.06am | | |
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In reply to Post #252
If they are heavy duty nylon like the tempest block they will be fine.They are shaped so hopefully don't have too much pressure on them
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#252 1 Feb 2021 at 10.39am | | |
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I cant help but think them elbow joints made from plastic are going to become brittle with long term use after being exposed to the elements. it looks a tidy bivvy and 5 years from start to finish product seems a long time,but how long has the finished product been tested for...I hope its a hit as it looks decent.
stand by for the camolite version in 12 months no doubt that will get people selling the green just for camo....
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#251 1 Feb 2021 at 10.26am | | |
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Not sure mate, but here are the dimensions for the frontiers. The flat back definitely makes more room for the front but not sure if the depth is smaller or bigger than the 100 bivvy.
Fox frontier
(Width 2.50 x Depth 1.85 x height 1.3)
Fox frontier X
(Width 2.60 x Depth 1.98 x height 1.4)
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#250 1 Feb 2021 at 7.55am | | |
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So how does the Frontier X compare to the Tempest 100 bivvy? Is it just the a bit higher? Im assuming you get more floor space in the Frontier with the flat back? Is the material better on the Tempest?
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#249 31 Jan 2021 at 8.26pm | | |
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In reply to Post #248
Let’s just say if you sit on an ss4 in an advanced 100, you get a bad neck looking out and I’m only 5’11”
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#248 31 Jan 2021 at 7.41pm | | |
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In reply to Post #247
Cant comment on the comparison with the 100 but seems good enough with mine. No negatives from me on the height of the X
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#247 31 Jan 2021 at 6.43pm | | |
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In reply to Post #246
Just want I wanted to hear, I have the ss4 and was hoping there was a bit more height than the tempest 100
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#246 31 Jan 2021 at 5.27pm | | |
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In reply to Post #245
Not sure mate, but if you're worried about the height I have the tall ss4 bedchair and I'm 6ft 3 and the head room is fine for me, can see out the bivvy too
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#245 31 Jan 2021 at 5.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #244
What’s the door way height with the door rolled up on the x model
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#244 31 Jan 2021 at 3.44pm | | |
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In reply to Post #243
Yeah the X is decent size... Got my flatliner in no problem with a bit of room head and feet end and then you have about a metre space in front...
Personally don't get why the need for a capsule but hey that's me.. When the capsule is fitted it is the same dimensions as the X model...
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#243 31 Jan 2021 at 3.33pm | | |
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I like the look of these and am looking at the X model. Would like to see them all in the flesh rather than the stated dimensions though, so could be some wait until I can do that
I have a V2 brolly and V2 bivvy which I use for short/long sessions. I find the V2 bivvy massive and the brolly a little on the squeeze size but not uncomfortable for a night or 2. Im sure the XD is similar in size to the V2 bivvy and the standard frontier more like the V2 brolly. So I’m hoping the X is somewhere in the middle which would be perfect for me as I’d sell both my bivvy and brolly for it
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#242 31 Jan 2021 at 2.18pm | | |
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In reply to Post #241
That was what I was thinking,cheers
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#241 31 Jan 2021 at 2.05pm | | |
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In reply to Post #239
I have the X mate and I own a large bed chair (SS4 wideboy) literally fits perfectly in the X, the normal one would be too small.
To be safe id go for the X, it's literally only 10cm bigger in length, height and width than the standard so barely any difference, but you just get that little extra room and height to be safe
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#240 31 Jan 2021 at 2.01pm | | |
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#239 31 Jan 2021 at 1.44pm | | |
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In reply to Post #238
On the walk round video he says it's a bit tight with one bedchair,what the hell is he sleeping on.The xd model looks far too big for my needs ,I can't decide between the frontier or the x model.
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#238 31 Jan 2021 at 1.18pm | | |
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In reply to Post #237
Video on YouTube giving you a rough run down of the frontier... Its the xd model, just search fox frontier and the chaps name is tyron mapp
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#237 30 Jan 2021 at 10.48pm | | |
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In reply to Post #233
Even the Death Star had a hole the size of a womp rat in it 👍🏼
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#236 30 Jan 2021 at 10.12pm | | |
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In reply to Post #232
For me:
Summer: inner capsul/vapour peak, winter: inner capsule/overwrap
in may i always get my bonus if the experiences are good i buy the Xd
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#235 30 Jan 2021 at 9.41pm | | |
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I've a couple of Tempest's, the Frontier adds very little if anything to their design. If i was in the market for a new abode I'd give it a go once the field testing has finished solely because I think they haven't taken the pisss with the price.
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#234 30 Jan 2021 at 9.33pm | | |
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In reply to Post #233
Think you've made it clear in numerous posts
It's not for you.
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#233 30 Jan 2021 at 9.13pm | | |
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In reply to Post #232
He wants to use it in the rain
It would be like buying the Death Star without the shields, he'd be totally ****ed.
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#232 30 Jan 2021 at 9.04pm | | |
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Am I missing something but why would you buy the xd with inner dome and mozzie mesh door and windows then also buy the vapour shield, wrap and mozzie front?
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#231 30 Jan 2021 at 8.46pm | | |
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In reply to Post #230
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#230 30 Jan 2021 at 8.41pm | | |
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In reply to Post #228
Brilliant. Thanks very much.
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#229 30 Jan 2021 at 8.29pm | | |
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In reply to Post #228
Mine arrived on Thursday from Johnson Ross. Went for the full shebang. Not had it up or tested it yet so can’t comment on quality. I went for this after trying a Cyprinus Typhoon Max Head as the quality was incredibly poor so hoping it’s worth the money. I’ll certainly give my honest assessment when I’ve road tested it properly.
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#228 30 Jan 2021 at 7.25pm | | |
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Tom says was shipped on Friday,he will chase it up Monday
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#227 30 Jan 2021 at 5.58pm | | |
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Thank you, frontier x with the skull cap. I was going to give it till Tuesday and ring so don't go out of your way. I expect they are busy with dispatches as are couriers.
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#226 30 Jan 2021 at 5.45pm | | |
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In reply to Post #225
Best giving Tom a call Monday morning
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#225 30 Jan 2021 at 5.44pm | | |
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In reply to Post #224
How much are vale doing the xd for ????
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#224 30 Jan 2021 at 5.36pm | | |
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Will chase it up for you,what model did you order
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#223 30 Jan 2021 at 4.44pm | | |
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Rightly or wrongly, I had no hesitation on the block or the joints. Purely based on the fact that fox have had a very long field testing process in that department in the form of the easy domes and evo shelters. I'm sure they've learnt what works and doesn't with them? Now if only Vale would hurry up and post me mine 😭
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#222 30 Jan 2021 at 4.30pm | | |
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In reply to Post #221
If the joints are heavy duty nylon then they should be fine,it's the main thing that's concerning me too
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#221 30 Jan 2021 at 4.15pm | | |
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In reply to Post #209
I'll.wait and see.on those joints. Looks like it's weakest link.
All in all, it does look like it ticks all the boxes, good colour, good height, got pockets, a clip on the ceiling, good sizing.
I think Fox will shake up the market with this bivvy.
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#220 30 Jan 2021 at 3.52pm | | |
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In reply to Post #219
The inner dome according to fox will reduce the Xd to the size of the x internally
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#219 30 Jan 2021 at 3.49pm | | |
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In reply to Post #217
Good call that, hopefully give a few bob discount with a decent order. With regard to the inner dome, does this significantly reduce the internal area?
I'm assuming its purpose is to reduce condensation inside the inner shell?
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#218 30 Jan 2021 at 3.32pm | | |
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In reply to Post #207
I'm in the same boat.. waiting 6 months to see and hear some decent reviews. If all good I'll buy
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#217 30 Jan 2021 at 3.29pm | | |
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In reply to Post #214
Yeah xd is the daddy, no bigger than the tempest v2 bivvy apart from height... Personally not a fan of the inner dome... Think you can get some discount off a few if you give them a ring... Vale as below
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#216 30 Jan 2021 at 3.19pm | | |
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In reply to Post #215
No more than the vapour peak mate
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