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   Old Thread  #529 8 Mar 2021 at 3.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I dont think anyone is moaning that the bag is oversized so it can easily fit the bivvy and bits in, nor that the dimensions aren't as stated. It was only mentioned because someone had asked about the pack down size. It's just a big bivvy when folded down and is one of the only negatives it has imo, youre never going to get a product with no cons
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   Old Thread  #528 7 Mar 2021 at 10.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tesco bags! There's posh. Big bivvies and big bits of gear are definitely problematic but being fair that's not the manufacturers fault. In this case Nash and Fox have responded to customer feedback and praise is due imho. On longer sessions I prefer to be warm dry and comfortable so choose the gear that provides what I want. I know it's weight, dimensions and performance before I buy. Can't complain when it arrives and is exactly as stated. Mind you I do think having a good moan about pushing heavy gear a mile through mud and brambles is good for the soul.
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   Old Thread  #527 7 Mar 2021 at 10.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think it's pretty clear.
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   Old Thread  #526 7 Mar 2021 at 10.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree the large bags brilliant and hated squeezing them back into undersized bags. My point was that with a big bivvy on the top of the barrow it makes it hard to also get the rod bag on there too. Maybe itís my barrow or way Iím loading it but nothing to to with looks. The Tesco bags hanging from the side see to that.
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   Old Thread  #525 7 Mar 2021 at 8.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What are you waffling on about
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   Old Thread  #524 7 Mar 2021 at 1.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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With regard to bivvy lighting I may well be ahead of the game. Was gifted a set of caravan awning lights with power pack, remote including dimmer. 4 x 12ins tubes and plenty of cable. Wouldn't have bought it at £300 plus including power pack but on long sessions in the Titan it's great. Apart from the power pack it packs down into a hard tube about 3 ins x 18 ins and weighs about 500gm.
The self guiding anti coot/tufty turret fitted to the barrow with AI radar guidance package for drones and stealth bait boats with laser and ultrasound weapons has had to go.
Just too heavy at 600kg. The deterrent alarm system remains classified at this time.
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   Old Thread  #523 7 Mar 2021 at 12.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Assume you havenít got spinners and neon under lighting on your barrow then? Get with the times mate. Send me your waders and Iíll bedazzle them for you. Youíll soon change your mind
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   Old Thread  #522 7 Mar 2021 at 9.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fox continental easy dome is the one you want, now that was a big bag
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   Old Thread  #521 7 Mar 2021 at 8.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #520 7 Mar 2021 at 8.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
For years we have anglers complaining that the carry bags supplied with bivvies are too small and once you have unrolled a bivvy from new it is a real b*gger to get it back in the bag.
Some manufacturers listen and provide spacious bags that are easy to use and will hold ancillary gear like storm poles and wraps. Top marks Nash and it seems Fox as well.
But no, not good enough because "it doesn't look good on my barrow." or "it looks like a body bag" along with "the black finish on my banks sticks wore off, I won't be using that company again."
Gordon effing Bennett.
I want info on the product with regard to carp angling not a review of the models on the runway at the latest international carp couture soiree.
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   Old Thread  #519 7 Mar 2021 at 7.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have the X, and wanting to sell that to buy the XD ,
IMO the Frontier is excellent all round
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   Old Thread  #518 7 Mar 2021 at 0.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have the X and must say the bag is very big, the only negative I have of the bivvy so far. Hopefully that is the only negative ill have!
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   Old Thread  #517 6 Mar 2021 at 11.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm assuming you don't like it,is that why you are selling it
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   Old Thread  #516 6 Mar 2021 at 9.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks. Iíll measure the T1 in the morning to see how it stacks up.
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   Old Thread  #515 6 Mar 2021 at 8.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bag is indeed big: 155 x 26 x 26, but it doesn't bother me because everything goes in easily.
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   Old Thread  #514 6 Mar 2021 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I really fancy the XD but having watched a few videos on YouTube it looks like the bag is huge. I have a Titan T1 at the moment but I hate the bag being so big. With that on the top of my barrow it doesnít leave much room for my rods and sends the balance all out.

Does anyone know how the 2 compare or even better have side by side pics.

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   Old Thread  #513 6 Mar 2021 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
How are people finding ,putting the XD up when connecting the three clip in front poles
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   Old Thread  #512 6 Mar 2021 at 11.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fox R Series XL was a big fail bivvy series, there is even a shop here that has stopped selling it and brought back its stock.

The funny thing about the xl 1 man is 295 x 235 and I don't get a bedchair + junior bed in it, Frontier Xd is smaller on the outside and I get a bedchair + junior bed in it
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   Old Thread  #511 6 Mar 2021 at 8.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same as me bud I had a fox r series before my tempest it was a great bivvy but it took so long to put up and was a pain to move onto the fish, I always wanted a taller quick bivvy so was happy when they finally started making them
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   Old Thread  #510 5 Mar 2021 at 11.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree. I had a two man bivvy before and it was huge and hard to put up alone. At the time it seemed a good idea but in the long term it was just a lot of effort and made me not want to go. The frontier is up in 3 minutes and is half a meter smaller in length and width so I'm loving it so far. I know it's not a small bivvy but like you I'm 6ft 3 and anything smaller would be too small for me.
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   Old Thread  #509 5 Mar 2021 at 9.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Iím always a bit confused why some people want such huge footprints, I use a tempest 100t because Iím 6ft3 but the footprint is huge for me. I put my rodholdall and bivvy bag under my bedchair, other than my tackle bag which goes in the corner of the bivvy and my food bag in the little triangle behind my bedchair. My chair goes on the right side of the bivvy in front of my bedchair, how much more room do you really need? I use this for everything from 48hrs to a week more than enough for me
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   Old Thread  #508 5 Mar 2021 at 4.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting seeing the floor space difference between the 100 and the X. The 100 is trakkers smallest bivvy in that range (if you exclude the brolly styles) and the X is still small that the trakker, admittedly only slightly. My X seems pretty large inside without I actually being that big.
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   Old Thread  #507 5 Mar 2021 at 2.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
That's what I like about the Frontier Xd, even though it's only 270 x 210, it has a very large footprint inside
Tempest Composite is 265cm x 210cm, Xd is only 5 cm wider but inside difference is massive.


This is the photo someone posted on Fb:
Frontier x vs Trakker trakker advanced 100
X vs 100


Xd yes if you want you can get 2 beds in it but you have to store all your stuff under the bedchairs and it will feel cramped (That's not the definition of a 2 man bivvy for me)
The Xd is perfect for 1 bedchair and 1 junior bed, or if you go alone (with dog) you have a luxurious inner space without a bivvy that is +275 wide
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   Old Thread  #506 5 Mar 2021 at 2.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i would say looking at them photos, there more like two man than one and a half man ?
i have the original composite tempest, and that's definitely more like a one and a half man,
then two look massive like you say
i was looking at getting a new bivvy, but they look too big for me
so looks like i'll keep the composite for now, as i need a bit more room due to a bad back, and at the moment dodgy knee
i can't remember the measurements of the composite ?
but i would definitely say its in between the 100 and 150, and the fox frontier and frontier x
unless someone knows different what the sizes are ?


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   Old Thread  #505 5 Mar 2021 at 12.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Those are both massive 1 man bivvies , you guys on the continent seem to use far bigger bivvies than we in the UK tend to so what you refer to as small really aren't in the grand scheme of things
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   Old Thread  #504 5 Mar 2021 at 10.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Trakker 150 photo comes from Youtube movie: Choosing The Right Tempest Bivvy or Brolly for Your Carp Fishing (2.14min)

Frontier Xd photo I just set up in my living room

Tempest 150 vs Frotier XD Setup

https://ibb.co/pryJTDY
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   Old Thread  #503 5 Mar 2021 at 9.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The frontier xd is not a small bivvy, it's biggest in the range of three.
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   Old Thread  #502 5 Mar 2021 at 6.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ofc the T150 has more floor space but not alot, we are talking about two 1 man bivvies that are 315x 255 vs 270 x 210, XD gives a lot of space for a small bivvy, T150 doesn't give much extra space for such a large bivvy compared to the XD, the high and flat back/sides of the Xd also make a huge difference in space.

My previous 1 man bivvy: quest tackle defier is 280 x 225 bedchair 210 x 80 with sleeping bag hit the sides with the Xd I still have 20cm of space left, measured from the bechair to middle door I only had 65 cm left with the Defier, XD i have 117cm left...
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   Old Thread  #501 5 Mar 2021 at 1.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's where I put my rucksack, fits perfectly.
My tempest would be perfect if the back was 20cm higher instead of sloping down that much. That's what the frontier improved on
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   Old Thread  #500 4 Mar 2021 at 11.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Zinno, this phrase you use "usable floor space". Surely all floor space is usable if you choose to use it?
If you are referring to the space behind the bedchair in a tempest why is it not usable
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   Old Thread  #499 4 Mar 2021 at 11.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Titan is well designed and the fabric is decent itís expensive and one of the better bivvies on the current market. Iíve been looking at bivvies for several years even saw the review of the Fox before buying a Titan, Iím not saying the Titan is better than the Fox I have a Powerplus that is better. The Titan for me can be a sturdy Brolly through the a full session Bivvy with the extreme canopy.

Ahhh ďThe CovidĒ, reading your post reminds me of snatch.
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   Old Thread  #498 4 Mar 2021 at 9.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Between the Frontier Xd and Tempest 150 with a standard bedchair in it (not oval) the remaining floor space is not that much of a difference despite the fact that the XD is 45 cm less wide and 45cm less deep

One of the reasons I didn't want the T150 was: when I go fishing alone I don't want a bivvy that is 315cm wide, there are 2 man bivvies that are less wide, and despite the width of 315 the usable floor space inside is not that big because of the V-shapes, personally for me 315 cm wide is too much for a 1/1.5 man bivvy


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   Old Thread  #497 4 Mar 2021 at 9.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There seems to be a hard sell based upon a flat back bivvy gives you more space. It doesn't, what it does do if you put your bed at the back is give you all the available space at the front.
A tempest type bivvy gives you space both at the front and back. Suits some you know.
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   Old Thread  #496 4 Mar 2021 at 8.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Was bored and put the Frontier in the living room , will return the inner capsule because it is unnecessary for me, have a Samsung S20 pro turned on the flashlight and placed it on the canvas on the outside you don't see any light through the canvas on the inside

I'm going to keep Vapour peak with velco on sides/back it's is ver fast to take off, and it is an upgrade for when it rains, for against sunlight unnecessary


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   Old Thread  #495 4 Mar 2021 at 8.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Would never think the Titan t1 as quality itís at a quality price like a lot of inflated priced carp tackle I think your right itís the COVID people are not spending like they were as Iíve always said if people donít buy they will have no choice but to drop the price looks like itís been done for us looks like the gravy train might be over
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   Old Thread  #494 4 Mar 2021 at 7.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting, I was surprised to see the Titan t1s in various guises on the bay. obviously taking a hit I wonder if itís to the financially changing/challenging circumstances that people are facing as opposed to the quality of the product rather than quality of product.


Either way itís a concern
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   Old Thread  #493 4 Mar 2021 at 4.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Seeing more and more of these popping up for sale
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Thanks for taking time to explain they are very expensive carp fishing has gone mad with prices I hope that no one has any problems at that price I didnít like the plastic joints on the legs and the way it clicks in at front be worried about it breaking on the fox tbh
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   Old Thread  #491 4 Mar 2021 at 10.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Frontier is alot higber.

Footprint inside will be roughly the same between the XD and the Tempest 150
So you have 1 a higher bivvy and 2 a bivvy that is only 270cm wide vs Tempest 150 which is 315 wide.

There is a photo, think on fb with Frontier and Tempest groundsheet on top of each other, you can see that the Frontier which is less wide outside still gives a lot of space inside due to the flat/high sides and back

in a Tempest, you should actually use a Oval bedchair, these are specially made to create extra space in your Tempsest, with a normal bed it's ridiculous how much space you lose with V shape bivvy models.

Don't get me wrong I would also be happy with a Tempest, but I am even happier that there is finally a 1.5 man bivvy on the market that is high and has a door height of 143 cm

If the weather is good this weekend I will make a photo series of my XD with inner capsule with bechair and measure everything.

Now we all know Fox's reputation so I am also afraid to wait and see how long the Frontier will last, we are already talking about a bivvy that has cost me Ä838 (Ä1067 with overwrap) , but from what I have seen so far of quality it's very good.
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   Old Thread  #490 4 Mar 2021 at 9.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can anyone explain What is the difference between the fox and the tempest why would you buy the fox over the tempest as I see a vid on it yesterday doesnít look much different
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   Old Thread  #489 3 Mar 2021 at 10.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have the frontier X and own the large ss4 wideboy. Fits perfectly in my bivvy
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Got my innner capsule and vapor peak today, can still get my bedchair and junior bed in it with an extra chair in the front and space for 3 bags behind my bedchair.

Reason why I wanted the XD and the inner capsule, I got an autoimmune disease from mosquitoes and also use Immunosuppressant medication so have to be extra careful an inner capsule is a must for me, that's why I was immediately happy when I saw the Frontier XD, even with the inner capsule it is high inside, you really don't lose much space at the sides/back/front

I bought vapor peak for when it rains without there is no cap that collects the water at the front, will probably always use the vapor peak even when it is not raining

I will soon buy the overwrap also for when I go winter fishing again.
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   Old Thread  #487 3 Mar 2021 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was the standard one that the bedchair was touching not the x model.
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I can assure you the X 100% has no issue with a bigger bed in .. i don't get why anyone would by the bigger one then put a capsule in that takes it down a size or slightly more .. then probably add aa wrap how many bloody layers do people need ??
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It was.. and there's me thinking why he wants to sell it 😂
I really like these but it'll have to be the frontier X for that reason or the new Nash hide XL (if they do it in green, not that bird **** camo)
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Putting a xl bed in a Small bivvy
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Iím sure in the pic you can actually see his bed chair pushing the sides out
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Is the the basic frontier? I saw that on there.
Looks too narrow for a bedchair, I've seen 2 on YouTube and the bedchairs are touching the side
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Hasnít taken long for one to pop up on fb market place
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I ordered the inner capsule / vapor peak today, they are out of stock in most EU shops.

Where I usually buy carp material told me: new expected delivery: April, but this is not 100% certain it could also be alot later.
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I've just had an hour in the garden playing with it (FOX FRONTIER X ) 1st off it is 100% an X and with no instructions it could not have been easier to set up... I pegged it out fitted the groundsheet ,put in the different doors, opened all the windows and put my big nash bed and sleep system in it and still so much room. A nice gap either end of the bed without touching the walls at all and so much spare room. yes a lot of velcro as others have said, but I have no issues with that at all and can see it's reasons for being there especially to cover all the zips keeping everything storm flapped if an over wrap isn't being used.. The vapour cap was bought separately and not arrived yet but it will make it look so much neater give a peak hopefully keep it even cooler and even more water resistant. I really like you can keep the camo in place or fully open up the side openings in the warmest conditions .. Its the 1st bivvy I've bought from new and 1st impression is it's an exceptional bit of kit and I have chosen well. .... only time will tell.. but I'm definitely smiling ..
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   Old Thread  #478 25 Feb 2021 at 6.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Result all round their
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   Old Thread  #477 25 Feb 2021 at 1.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I ordered a frontier x for £499 from rods and lines F2 Sapphire Court, George Rd, Bromsgrove Technology Park, Bromsgrove, B60 3FP - T: 0121 663 6650 online Sunday arrived yesterday via Royal mail in 3 days ... not unpacked it yet it was on E-bay and on Amazon but i think I got the last or only 1 advertised at this time.

just picked up a brand new X vapour peak for £74.00 delivered as well result.
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Leave it with me I will ask Tom now
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   Old Thread  #473 25 Feb 2021 at 11.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Carpy09 sent me his picture via Fb, luckily I don't have this with my Xd
Link carpy09 XD Picv
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   Old Thread  #472 25 Feb 2021 at 9.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've no idea mate. To be honest the communication from Vale has been extremely poor.
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   Old Thread  #471 25 Feb 2021 at 9.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Has the courier still not sorted it out
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   Old Thread  #470 25 Feb 2021 at 8.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Be interested to know too. Thinking of cancelling my order with Vale as they seem to be messing me around.
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   Old Thread  #469 25 Feb 2021 at 7.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Where was selling the X for £500?
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   Old Thread  #468 25 Feb 2021 at 0.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes I have got photo of the marks but no good with uploading them on here
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   Old Thread  #467 24 Feb 2021 at 9.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
One thing that puzzles me is they have spent a fortune printing a full glossy brochure WHY ? what a waste of money ! We are supposed to be cutting down on printing........
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   Old Thread  #466 24 Feb 2021 at 8.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Got any photos of it?
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   Old Thread  #465 24 Feb 2021 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What do you mean mate? Just so I can look for it on mine
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   Old Thread  #464 24 Feb 2021 at 4.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Got my frontier XD last week took it over the lake today to set it up properly and check it out and it has couple of tiny areas where the new inner lining as scraped back so back to the shop it goes
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   Old Thread  #463 24 Feb 2021 at 2.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its arrived and the box says its an X so unless its a scam from a reputable dealer then all is good... can't wait to unpack it ..
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   Old Thread  #462 23 Feb 2021 at 11.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol I agree with the velcro, guess it's to make everything look tight and stop stuff flapping about in the wind. Hopefully with time the velcro will soften and won't ruin your fingers
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   Old Thread  #461 23 Feb 2021 at 2.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice work Jimmy thanks for sharing
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   Old Thread  #460 23 Feb 2021 at 1.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Loads of room inside,I will be going for the x model
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   Old Thread  #459 23 Feb 2021 at 1.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Some good pics and info there. Thanks
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   Old Thread  #458 23 Feb 2021 at 1.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Picture with some dimensions of the Frontier Xd that I bought today



2 things I don't like:

-Velcro everywhere (my finger is already bleeding )
- Clip in groundsheet.

For the rest top bivvy alot of space for 1 man, 1 man with child ( junior bed)
2 bechairs is possible but it is not a 2 man bivvy

Very strong and thick cloth, very easy to put up/take down (find it easier to set up/break down than my previous Quest Tacke defier)

Very dark inside

-Inner Capsule is not necessary imo, Vapor peak not sure if I buy it (maybe only for summer) Overwrap I buy 100%.
Overwrap can be done just as quickly as the Vapor peak (think even faster)

-Height in the middle: 163cm
-Width inside @ front: 267cm
-Inside width @ back: 235



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   Old Thread  #457 22 Feb 2021 at 11.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I also got the X for the same price. Hopefully you won't be disappointed, my brother has a trakker and the only think putting him off was the pack down size, being bigger than his. Obviously no one can vouch for the durability of it lomg term but that seems to be the only question from owners so far.
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   Old Thread  #456 22 Feb 2021 at 6.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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FOX FRONTIER X BIVVY SYSTEM
Total: £499.99

Order number: 23-06616-1903

Item number: 383970619629


Money Back Guarantee eBay Money Back Guarantee

I thought the same but advert is 100% clear its the X and i double checked e-bay and on amazon ads before paying if it doesn't turn up as an x i'll be returning it ..
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   Old Thread  #455 22 Feb 2021 at 6.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ild double or infact tripple check that's not the smaller frontier for that price and being available.
But good find if it is an X
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After looking for a new bivvy for several months and reading reports on most current models available and being a big trakker fan for all my luggage it seemed only inevitable really I'd go with a trakker Bivvy .. being honest i'd not even considered fox .. after looking at all options rightly or wrongly and reading this thread I have actually gone with the Frontier X . But it's one thing deciding another actually finding the thing.. eventually I found just 1 Frontier X online at a price of £499.00 delivered... I've just had confirmation of Delivery Wednesday... fingers crossed but I'm confident this will be the correct choice ... being 100% honest 1 thing put me off the camo mozzi finish ... I've never had anything Camo in 45 years+ on the bank... cheers all for a great informative thread..
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   Old Thread  #453 21 Feb 2021 at 10.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Lost treasure oh arr
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   Old Thread  #451 21 Feb 2021 at 7.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They are checking them for leaks
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   Old Thread  #450 21 Feb 2021 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Better check with the supplier as there's likely to be a few Frontiers at the bottom of the ocean.

https://themaritimepost.com/2021/02/18/another-maersk-ship-loses-several-containers-in-pacific/
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   Old Thread  #449 21 Feb 2021 at 4.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"collective amnesia".

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   Old Thread  #448 21 Feb 2021 at 4.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The left and right poles shouldn't be an issue as they just sit in a groove rather than properly click in to place. My only concern is the centre one that clicks in to place but touch wood it'll be fine.
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   Old Thread  #447 21 Feb 2021 at 12.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Took my Frontier X out for a test ,yesterday
Total weight with Vapour peak ,ground sheet pegs ect in the bag came in at 16.6 Kg.
It fits a Nash SS3 Wide with around 6 inches clearance at both ends.and plenty of room inside .
Clipping the arms in is relatively straightforward , taking apart does make you feel like you may bend them , but i didnt, how long the boss will last clipping them in and out (wear and tear) ,who knows .
All in id say well made and an excellent bivvy .
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   Old Thread  #446 20 Feb 2021 at 10.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Frontier gives even more space The block on the frontier doesnít seem to be under the tension like the tempest, just see how the clip holds out, this would be my guess that is what will go first in these
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   Old Thread  #445 20 Feb 2021 at 1.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just wanted a bit more usable space inside and the tempest bivvy gives me that
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   Old Thread  #444 20 Feb 2021 at 12.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What was wrong with the Armo?
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   Old Thread  #443 20 Feb 2021 at 12.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I had a trakker armo when first did the aquatexx version,what a pile of **** that was.I had an aqua m2 think it was that had no peak then had the m3 which is still my favourite bivvy.I now have a tempest v2 bivvy which ticks alot of boxes,it just feels so tight when set it up that it worries me it is going to rip
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   Old Thread  #442 20 Feb 2021 at 12.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have you had an Armo?

Armo for camping, Tempest Brolly for fishing. The Armo has done about 8 years and the brolly 3 and not a bother with each so far.
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   Old Thread  #441 20 Feb 2021 at 12.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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15-20 years,im lucky if I keep a bivvy for 15-20 months.I just can't honestly find a bivvy I'm 100% happy with so I'm hoping these do stand upto bad weather and the block is robust
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   Old Thread  #440 20 Feb 2021 at 11.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was a tongue in cheek comment hence the silly smiley.

I hope itís robust design and lasts, I did see the Fox video and thought it might be the weak link however the Bivvy does look well thought out. I purchased the T1 as although I donít need another Bivvy Iíve fancied one for sometime. Itís not perfect and I want to re enforce the inner capsule clipping points with some gorilla tape. And Iím still waiting for two rear poles as the rivets where not satisfactory, that will get sorted in due course. Like my others bivvies id hope to get 15-20 years out of the T1.
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   Old Thread  #439 20 Feb 2021 at 11.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have compared mainly in terms of quality.

Compare to the Pioneer 100 was with the Pioneer 150 in mind (only 100 in shop) and T1 camo is 275 cm x 197 cm so no big difference vs XD 270 x 210, although the difference is big inside

Not so sure if T1 is proven quality, have seen many with problems


In Belgium we are allowed to fish on private waters at night (first night will be next weekend).
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   Old Thread  #438 20 Feb 2021 at 11.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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T1 and pio 100 are both smaller bivvies than the xd so pointless comparison unless trying to compare quality but the titan and pioneer are proven designs. Fox produced some great bivvies in the past so let's hope this one is a return to those days.
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   Old Thread  #437 20 Feb 2021 at 10.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If it leaks at the block the MK2 will have material over it with
A velcro panel. I'm off to the patent office.
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   Old Thread  #436 20 Feb 2021 at 10.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why what is wrong with the block or are you just guessing it will have issues based on your expert opinion
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Sort the block out 🤪
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   Old Thread  #434 20 Feb 2021 at 9.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I compared the Frontier XD in shop side by side with the Titan T1, pioneer 100, tempest 150, the where all 4 in shop next to each other (my budget was 1000euro)

I am 100% sure that I made the best choice with the Frontier XD, the marketing of Fox about the Frontier is a joke (yeah right 5 years to development lol ) but the Frontier is Top
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   Old Thread  #433 20 Feb 2021 at 9.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This is an example of what social scientists call the 'Supabrolly Effect'. A perfect storm of group hysteria whipped up by clever marketing and social media. And fuelled by a group of anglers suffering from collective amnesia.
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   Old Thread  #432 20 Feb 2021 at 8.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Tuesday I will have my Frontier Xd, if the weather is good I will set it up with bedchair, chair, bags/table take pictures and will measure everything.
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   Old Thread  #431 20 Feb 2021 at 7.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I must admit I keep looking at this bivvy despite telling myself each time that it is Fox and to just walk away.... ....why oh why do they persist with ****ty clip in groundsheets though?
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   Old Thread  #430 20 Feb 2021 at 0.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very true !!
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   Old Thread  #429 19 Feb 2021 at 10.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No One can use them over night yet for a decent time so that might be a reason, not slating the frontier just saying that might be why, every bivvy ever made always has a couple come back
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I am very difficult to please, but the material feels strong and the fittings were superb. The elbow joints are so easy to put together and click faultlessly in to place. I also love the way that the bivvy stands up after you pull all the arms out allowing you to peg it slowly and precisely. The height is also a plus. I have the XD with inner dome. 165cm is comfortable for me to live with, especially being partially disabled. The other aspect i like is in the winter, its easy to add the winter wrap, click the 3 poles in to place, roll back and peg, instead of pulling the wrap all over the place to peg it ! All in all I think it is a winner. If there is anyone in the Norfolk area that wants to have a look before buying please pm me, would be happy to oblige.
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   Old Thread  #427 19 Feb 2021 at 5.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
having spoke to two shops who have sold a few frontiers and xd's so far no returns.fingers crossed as i wouldn mind one myself
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Very disappointed with TFT. Ordered in September and then told after their first delivery of the Frontiers that they had under ordered and they did not know when the next lot would be in ! I am sure I would have still been waiting if Vale Royal had not saved the day !!!!!!
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   Old Thread  #425 19 Feb 2021 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Has anyone else had an update from TFT for when they will receive a fox frontier bivvy? Got told that they will be here soon
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   Old Thread  #424 17 Feb 2021 at 12.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just a daft comment by him... I think a camo version will come in time
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   Old Thread  #423 17 Feb 2021 at 10.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why what do you think they can do to improve it to make a mk2 version
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   Old Thread  #422 17 Feb 2021 at 10.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just in time for the MKII
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Thats what I'm doing
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I really like these but will give it 12 months i think.
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I will go for the X if I decide to get one
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That's what I'm worried about.. I think I'll wait for the X..
Or just wait to see them all up in a shop when we can
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A couple of videos on you tube showing the standard frontier and it seems to have room at the front.It shows if push your bedchair right to the back it touches the sides though on one video
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   Old Thread  #416 16 Feb 2021 at 11.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's my exact point.. the air is deeper but with less usable floor space because of the sloping headroom.
Ideally I don't want something too big to peg out but the frontier has the height
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   Old Thread  #415 16 Feb 2021 at 4.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The problem with bivvies is that you can't compare them by the dimensions becouse off diffrent design

A Trakker tempest T100 is bigger on paper than the Frontier, but due to the flat back and flat side you have more inner space with the Frontier than with the T100.
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   Old Thread  #414 16 Feb 2021 at 4.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why don't you compare the dimensions of each, that should give you a good indication of size.
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   Old Thread  #413 16 Feb 2021 at 11.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Has anyone got the frontier bivvy? Plenty with the larger ones.
Just want there review on size.
Currently got a V2 air and that size works for the swims at my lake.
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   Old Thread  #412 16 Feb 2021 at 11.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No it's not tones off space with 2 beds in it , Fox is also clear about it: We will nog bring a Frontier 2 man on the market.

And the floorspace is not 270 x 210, the space inside on the flat sides is 160/165 perfect for a junior bed to set against the side, but you cannot put an adult bedchair against the sides

2 Bedchair only fit in the Xd if you place them in width, then you will have 10 / 20cm left at the front, comfortable? dont think so

Yes, the Yt shows 2 people (1 adult, 1 kid) but only 1 bedchair, look again and picture a 2nd bedchair, the bivvy will be almost completely filled and you will have almost no space for storage except under your bedchair, that i dont call a 2 man bivvy.
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   Old Thread  #411 16 Feb 2021 at 10.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They're already released in the UK. I have one and know a few places still selling stock a week or so ago.
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The height is 165. The floor pace is 270x210 so could easily get 2 in, I dont get the purpose of the inner dome as this makes it the size of the standard version which in my eyes defeats the point of going for the largest.

The YouTube video by fox shows two people in the XD and there's tonnes of space.
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   Old Thread  #409 16 Feb 2021 at 10.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So any whispers/rumours on when a expected delivery date for the UK ??

I have seen a few Frontiers and Frontier XD but very few of the Frontier x.

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Belgium store (Lisarde)
They have the standard Frontier set up in the store, but the shop owner unpacked the frontier XD to see what it was like with all the tackle in it.
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   Old Thread  #407 16 Feb 2021 at 9.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Which store is it the frontier is put up ?

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   Old Thread  #406 15 Feb 2021 at 11.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Xd is not a 2 man, maby for 2 hobbits, yes if you want you can get 2 beds in it (only without the inner capsule) but it is not comfortable and you have to put everything under your beds.

You can only place 2 adult bedchairs in the width, 2 bedchairs along each other in length is not possible
The Xd have 160/165 cm space from the back to the front along the entire length inside, with 2 beds placed width you wil have 10/15 cm space left on the front if you call that 2 man then My slx v3 plus is a 4 man bivvy




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In my opinion it is very large in comparison to his, its the only thing putting him off. Not for the person who wants to travel light, but then again its classed as a bivvy, not a brolly or shelter. But if you own a barrow it's hardly an issue.
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   Old Thread  #404 15 Feb 2021 at 9.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The XD is the largest 2 man. The X is the 1.5/large one man.
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Back to shop today for compare T1 with Xd, T1 is no match for the XD, XD bag is 160cm the bivvy bag is large enough to put the bivvy back in easily

These were the things I put in the XD in the store today

-Junior bed 150 x 65 against the side
-Bedchair 205x 80 angled
-Behind the bedchair: bivvy table, Solar Undercover Camo Carryall, cool box,
-There was also plenty of room in the front to put 2 chairs in it

XD is a very big 1/1.5 man bivvy.
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   Old Thread  #402 15 Feb 2021 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is the pack down size that big? Got a V2 air and that's tiny.
Had a m3 and that was like a body bag!
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My brother owns a trakker and he was with me when I put up my frontier. He's in two minds of whether to replace his trakker because he liked the frontier so much, only thing putting him off is the pack down size being much bigger l. But he's just paid 200 quid for a barrow so it would give it some use lol
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   Old Thread  #400 14 Feb 2021 at 6.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have had fox ventec ripstop shelters and the material is very good,it feels more robust than the trakker aquatexx.If Fox get the build quality right on these then they could be taking over the tempest.I just have my doubts though
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   Old Thread  #399 14 Feb 2021 at 5.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It is a very good design thats for sure.
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   Old Thread  #398 14 Feb 2021 at 5.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's why I'm retard
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   Old Thread  #397 14 Feb 2021 at 4.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree, not sure on build quality and materials etc but the design is the best on the market IMO. Flat backed, higher version of the tempest. Trakker needs to follow suit
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   Old Thread  #396 14 Feb 2021 at 4.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I reckon a zip would get crushed.,magnetic strips might have been better
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   Old Thread  #395 14 Feb 2021 at 4.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think Fox will cain the market with these.

Maybe I'm wrong here, got me thinking about the ground sheet flap thing, would it not have been better to put a decent zip on it rather than velcro as over time, the velcro will get clogged up with crap and won't stick together properly? Adding a zip would have crap get into it too mind.
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   Old Thread  #394 13 Feb 2021 at 1.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!


I got the bivvy quickly from Vale Royal last week, could not be happier. Braved the wind today and put it up in minutes. It was a bit stiff but soon went up. It makes a great difference when your not messing about with loads of connecting pipes ! Loads of room inside, even with my SS5 MF60 Wideboy. The material looks even better than the fox R series bivvies. I got the XD with inner dome and it comes installed. The winter skin goes on really quickly - attach the front poles and roll backwards, you know its over properly that way first time ! Could not be happier with the Frontier and of course the excellent service from Vale Royal.

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   Old Thread  #393 13 Feb 2021 at 12.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Going off topic now, probably best discussed on another thread but yes I agree.

Best get back to bivvies
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   Old Thread  #392 13 Feb 2021 at 11.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Kind of odd considering this

The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, also known as the Huanan Seafood Market, was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan.

Never seen a frozen live animal or sea food.
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   Old Thread  #391 13 Feb 2021 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes that's how I understood it but the Chinese are now claiming that covid came into Wuhan through frozen food
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   Old Thread  #390 13 Feb 2021 at 9.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can't believe some read my post and took it seriously. Having said that the whole carp scene has become a bit of a joke.
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   Old Thread  #389 13 Feb 2021 at 0.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I heard they run out of disinfectant
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   Old Thread  #388 12 Feb 2021 at 11.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Anyone received a frontier from total fishing tackle?
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   Old Thread  #387 12 Feb 2021 at 10.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well nothing to stop you setting up the bivvy as a day shelter I suppose
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   Old Thread  #386 12 Feb 2021 at 9.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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OK,
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   Old Thread  #385 12 Feb 2021 at 9.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not for night fishing
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   Old Thread  #384 12 Feb 2021 at 9.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Loads of lakes are open.
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Well whatís the hurry, itís not like you can use them. Well unless you set up in your garden
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   Old Thread  #382 12 Feb 2021 at 9.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm suprised the crew of the ship survive getting from China to the UK iy takes that long at the minute
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   Old Thread  #381 12 Feb 2021 at 9.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fogging that's it,that's what we got told about
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   Old Thread  #380 12 Feb 2021 at 9.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly right that's why it's laughable about the contents being sprayed.

The biggest hold up is incorrect paperwork right now.

This thread is better than a Netflix series, Adolf Hitler got half a million men across Europe quicker than Fox have shifted these bivvies and most of them were on a horse.
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   Old Thread  #379 12 Feb 2021 at 9.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I thought it was acknowledged that this virus does not survive outside the host body for more than 72 hours. Anything in a sealed container that came from China by sea will surely be safe to handle.
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   Old Thread  #378 12 Feb 2021 at 9.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They do not open containers to disinfect the contents. The containers are sprayed that's it.

Opening a container and disinfecting as described by Goose is laughable, this open's (no pun intended) the importer and ports to all sorts, accusations of theft along with damage to goods and H&S issues.
A lot of container shipments are security sealed, any breakage before the client receives the goods opens all sorts of can's of worms.

The only alternative to what's been described is Fogging, this damages nothing, we fog all our offices on a weekly basis, this includes the computer equipment etc

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They disinfect the inside of the container using some device so the contents are disinfected too.They obviously don't do every single item individually
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Yes the containers not the contents.
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The containers where I work are coming in with different paperwork showing they have been checked and made safe
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Well thereís something in that, when China locked down Wuhan they sprayed the streets with chlorine solution
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   Old Thread  #373 12 Feb 2021 at 8.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What a load of rubbish, ports are not opening containers and disinfecting the contents, That would result in massive damage claim's. I cant believe people believe this cobblers.
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   Old Thread  #372 12 Feb 2021 at 7.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So best open the swimming pools so we can all go for a dip.
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According to the scientists in China and Korea one of the most effective killers of the virus is a weak chlorine solution and surely thatís not in short supply
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   Old Thread  #370 12 Feb 2021 at 5.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Every item in every container is being disinfected?
Really?

Edit:
They seem to be in stock in the EU.
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The delay is at the ports because they have to disinfect everything coming in from China and can't get enough disinfectant to keep up with it. Add in the fact the bivvy manufacturers don't want them disinfected as it will remove what little waterproofing they have and they will all be different colours depending on the amount of disinfectant used. Still at least the container ship rats are getting fat while all this is going on.
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Trust me the shops want the customers to have their items too,they are getting just as frustrated with the situation
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   Old Thread  #367 12 Feb 2021 at 12.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Has anyone on here had a Fox frontier bivvy from TFT as of yet ? I had an email last week saying that mine should be with me this month but after reading this forum I'm not so sure
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   Old Thread  #366 12 Feb 2021 at 9.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As has already been said. The retailer has taken money, not the manufacturer. It is not in the manufacturers interests to hold off on delivery to the retailer. They want them out there so that they get their money from the retailer, and to stop the consumers from bleating on
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Under normal circumstances I would have been on the phone this morning asking for my money back, which i am sure the retailer would have done without question. However, I pre-ordered mine on Black Friday so got 20% off.......I will still want one when they do actually arrive so i either sit it out or get my refund then pay full whack....
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   Old Thread  #364 12 Feb 2021 at 8.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The manufacturer wont have had any money at all for pre-orders. They let the retailers know how many will be allocated to them and then the retailer decides whether to do a pre-order or not, they wont pay Nash until they take delivery so the pre-order money is sat with the retailer.

Delaying a product due to shipping costs is not going to be cost-effective for any company. Something isn't quite stacking up though as the delay was evidently due to them being sat in a container at a port somewhere....and as you said, it doesn't take another 3 to 4 months to solve that!
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I wouldn't count out the effect of Covid regulations in China impacting their ability to manufacture. The large manufacturing areas were under house arrest for months.
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The bivvies are already paid for via pre-order and the manufacturer has the money in the bank. Container of said bivvies are then manufactured and ready to ship. In the time between the manufacturer calculating their margins and selling price and the product being ready to ship the cost to ship rockets due to covid/Brexit/whatever.

Do you think that the manufacturer (bearing in mind that they already have the money from the customer pre order) will take the hit on their margin and ship at the higher rate? Or delay the shipping in the hope that the costs drop and they can retain their margins?

What doesnít make sense there?
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I really hope you have said that tongue in cheek because if you havenít then can I please have some of that funky stuff youíre smoking. That makes absolutely no business sense at.
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Ive just had a strong sense of Deja Vu . I'm thinking we had a really long Fox Bivvy thread
About 10 years ago on this forum. About anticipation of the Fox Supa Brolly. But a search doesnt go back that far.
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I'm not sure what is going on exactly but it's not good
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I wasnít aiming at the shops, itís the manufacturers taking the mick. They are probably just holding out to save money on the shipping now the prices have gone up.
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It's not the shops fault is it and people were aware they were not available straight away.If people are not willing to wait and want their money back im sure the shops will issue a refund straight away.The shops are getting just as frustrated as the customers
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   Old Thread  #356 11 Feb 2021 at 10.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Surely now this means that they have been advertised and sold with money taken up front for something that has not even been manufactured yet? Even with the world as it is it does not take 7 months to ship a container from anywhere on the planet.

If it was me I would want my money back in my pocket while I waited for them to sort their act out. Itís not as if they will be limited edition once they finally hit the shops.
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   Old Thread  #355 11 Feb 2021 at 5.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I will drop him an email....
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   Old Thread  #353 11 Feb 2021 at 4.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bugger!

Has that come from Tom at Vale Royal Tony?
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Nash have sent email to the shops this morning
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Where have they said that Tony, haven't seen anything on their social media?

Nash told me a week or two ago they would be here sometime in March. If it could be as long as June I will seriously consider pulling my pre-order...that said, I will still want one...
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   Old Thread  #350 11 Feb 2021 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Well Fox delayed the Frontier and people were moaning and kicking off about it.How are people feeling now Nash have announced the camo hides are going be May/June.
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   Old Thread  #349 9 Feb 2021 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes sorry was replying to the comment about the RM bivvy
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   Old Thread  #348 9 Feb 2021 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So are all the dimensions on the fox website for the frontier external ?
It doesnít say
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   Old Thread  #347 9 Feb 2021 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ah yes my bad
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   Old Thread  #346 9 Feb 2021 at 5.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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250 wide outside...
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   Old Thread  #345 9 Feb 2021 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Think he means the ridgemonkey bivvy sundance mentioned
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   Old Thread  #344 9 Feb 2021 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well thatís strange the basic frontier is 250cm wide and the indulgence bed chair is 200cm
So in theory it should deffo fit across the bivvy.
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My mate bought the 1 man and his indulgence bed didnít fit so had to buy another bed. His bed had to be really wedged between the 2 sides
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   Old Thread  #341 9 Feb 2021 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes Tony I agree
I thought that's what this section was all about, asking appropriate questions to enable you to make an informed decision, and like you said 4" could be quite important to some people
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   Old Thread  #340 9 Feb 2021 at 1.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Already been said but can be the difference between being able use the bivvy with your current bed chair or not. I have the frontier X which is about 11cm wider than the standard, having put my nash ss4 chair in the standard would have been too small and would need to be replaced
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   Old Thread  #339 9 Feb 2021 at 12.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Clearly lockdown and drink getting to some
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   Old Thread  #338 9 Feb 2021 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep. Ask anyone that bought a ridgemonkey
Bivvy that was advertised as being able to fit any bedchair
With ease. And have now found it isnt wide enough across.
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I like the footprint of the Hide XL, so would really like to see one next to a frontier XD
the main advantage for me would be the increased door height as i am quite tall.

I would think the usable floor space will be very similar, although the Frontier has more upright sides, so may be marginally better in that respect.
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   Old Thread  #336 9 Feb 2021 at 11.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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wind it in, someone asked so i replied

10cm can make a difference with bedchairs, so it was a valid question and a valid response.
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   Old Thread  #335 9 Feb 2021 at 7.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Lol 10cm can make a lot of difference in a bivvy example for your bedchair, no need to be rude if you have no clue ....
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   Old Thread  #334 9 Feb 2021 at 0.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well if I had 4inches less I would have two belly buttons
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   Old Thread  #333 9 Feb 2021 at 0.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Ooooo 10cm jhees its getting as bad as mumsnet or what ever its called... you lot are getting bad with lockdown just think about what 4 inch is... not even your kettle in the corner... grow up lads please
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   Old Thread  #332 7 Feb 2021 at 7.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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On paper it is 10 cm wider but that says nothing about the actual usable interior space, my Quest tackle spec are 280 x 225 but inside i have less space then in a Frontier XD

Anyone that have seen both?
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   Old Thread  #331 7 Feb 2021 at 7.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hide XL is 10 cm wider same depth but the Frontier XD is taller especially the door
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   Old Thread  #330 7 Feb 2021 at 7.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is the Titan hide xl pro bigger inside then the XD?
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Is the xd a 2 man
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   Old Thread  #328 7 Feb 2021 at 12.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís it, it used to be Specialist Tackle In Collier Row.
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   Old Thread  #327 7 Feb 2021 at 12.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Of course that's correct. However it's human nature to want nice, better, even more aesthetically pleasing things and if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford it why not.
As others have said, when buying mass produced stuff from China, there is no guarantee the next shipment will be better than the last.
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   Old Thread  #326 7 Feb 2021 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Itís stuff mass produced in China. Of course there can be quality control issues when itís mass produced. Do you really expect fox to open up every shelter that comes though, and check it over, and the weather test it. Itís a risk we take when buying stuff. Yes itís inconvenient, but it happens in all industries producing stuff in China.

There was a thread about an issue with a dymag net the other month, and everyone jumped to their defense about it. An issue with a hand made piece is worse in my mind as it should have been caught when being made.

Everyone just needs to chill a bit and see this stuff for what it is. You could wait a year, to buy one after the first 2 shipments are spot on. The 3rd shipment could have issues. Waiting wonít avoid any potential issues.
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   Old Thread  #325 7 Feb 2021 at 10.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not just bivvies, look at some of the off the shelf rod prices at £500+,reels at £600+ but no matter how much the manufacturer hypes up the product one fact will never change, a good angler with mediocre kit will always be more successful than a mediocre angler with all the best kit.
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   Old Thread  #324 7 Feb 2021 at 10.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I mean you buy it after it is a year old and been used
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Unfortunately most bivvies/brollies have issues,like I said once it becomes mass produced.I have had more issues with Trakker bivvies than any other make but I now have a v2 tempest bivvy that's spot on.Its crazy how expensive some of these shelters are getting without the quality to justify it
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   Old Thread  #322 7 Feb 2021 at 9.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Would I wait a year to see if one of the sponsored anglers have problems so they can rectify it? Yes of course I would They have no quality control. I wonít go on about fox as they do some good stuff but Iíve had 2 ultras and both was crap. Forgot quality control, the build quality was that of what Iíd expect of a 10 yr old
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   Old Thread  #321 7 Feb 2021 at 9.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It can be put through its paces for years but it's when it becomes mass produced issues occur.Would you prefer to buy a bivvy that's been used for a year by one of the companies anglers then still pay full whack for it as its been tested.
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   Old Thread  #320 7 Feb 2021 at 8.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not if itís been put through itís paces properly.
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   Old Thread  #319 7 Feb 2021 at 7.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Proud to say i will be one of the new Testers middle of next week with the Frontier X and Vapour shield
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   Old Thread  #318 6 Feb 2021 at 10.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Isnt every new model of bivvy a tester? New materials, new manufacturing processes etc. And there's far more expensive bivvies out there.
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   Old Thread  #317 6 Feb 2021 at 9.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hell of a lot of money to be a tester
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   Old Thread  #316 6 Feb 2021 at 9.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And how do you know this bivvy is no good? Until its been tested by anglers when night fishing is allowed we won't know
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I actually think some Fox stuff is very good, their luggage particularly the Camolite is very good quality.
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Been on here a long time too. And people use that phrase
A lot. Or say something is looking 'carpy'. Ive even seen carbon pods referred to as looking ''sexy'. Men buy on looks all the time. How else can anyone justify Korda SIngelz?
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Well said Heff

Heís like a stuck record

Obviously has a chip on his shoulder about something
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   Old Thread  #312 5 Feb 2021 at 11.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You dont like fox bivvys, youve made that clear several times already on this thread so far, but give it a rest now please mate, its boring
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   Old Thread  #311 5 Feb 2021 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why not? That's the only field testing it will have seen
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It never went away mate. Cant remember the name of the woman that had it when i first started going there, jo maybe? Was in woodford then. She had taken it over from her dad. Then sold it to a guy called gary who used to work there. Gary then sold it to mark who runs it with his sons. It moved to collier row, took over the shop that was specialist tackle, but cant remember wether it was gary or mark who had it when they moved.
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Wow Keswell is back up and running? Same family or just the name?
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That will be fieldtested then unlike most companies on the market
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From personal experience I'd rather not have fishing gear kicking about a couriers depot or van for to long 👎
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Me vans bust and can't get it fixed till a week next Tuesday as part not available, boss won't get another van to me so bivvied up in your bivvy till van is sorted, will let you know if it's waterproof and try not to spill to much of the takeaway food I'll be living on.
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Hope you get it soon
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Yes I spoke to him and he said it had been posted. Think he's gonna track it with the courier to see what's happening. I'm in no rush, it's just the not knowing lol.
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I think every shop has issues at some point,the problem is alot of the time they are messed about by the company supplying them.It gets just as frustrating for the shop as it does the customer
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TFT are very well known for taking there time with pre orders, if they have the stuff in stock then they are very good but wouldnt pre order anything off them ever again tho
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Keswalls in collier row had some available earlier this week. Not sure if they are still available but could be worth a call to anyone looking for one
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Tom said yours had definitely left the shop mate so hopefully be with you soon
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Well my friends, alot happier now ! I spoke to Rod at Vale Royal and my XD will be on its way shortly. I asked TFT for refund ! Very impressed with Vale Royal, will be shopping there more.
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I have had that with TFT before, (when the Titan was re-launched) placed my order on a pre-order basis and instead of limiting this to the number they have allocated for their first drop they sell as many as they can. If you are lucky and are within the first drop, happy days otherwise you have to wait until the second and sometimes third order......

I had pre-ordered my Titan on the same day it went live on their website yet wasn't included on the first drop which i found very hard to believe.....was then told the second drop would be 2 weeks later which I was fine about but that came and went.....looked around the net and there were plenty of other shops showing they had them in stock so cancelled TFT and went elsewhere

Sometimes there is such hysteria that FOMO kicks in and people rush to pre-order when in reality there isn't any need...
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Still waiting on mine too. It was posted a week ago so it's down to the courier. Have you checked that yours hasn't been posted? You could be in the same situation as me.
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Yup, I saw on here that they oversold the pre orders and I had one update from them in 4 months and that was to say it could be May, I cancelled my order with TFT and ordered from a local tackle shop and it came next day.

If you look on eBay thereís a few tackle shops advertising on there that they have them in stock. Give them a call instead just to make sure they have them in first.
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I'm sure someone else up in the thread canceled their order because they were taking the pish when many anglers have now received theirs. Id shop around, find somewhere with stock in and cancel your order with TFT
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Hi all, getting a bit frustrated, TFT have still not sent me the one I ordered (In September). I got an email saying it should be soon , but not to get my hopes up as they have only got so many in.

Did someone say they have them in stock somewhere ? May cancel my order with TFT and go elsewhere .......
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   Old Thread  #293 4 Feb 2021 at 11.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yet for me the Pioneer and Titan never offered anything more actually less than my Nash Canvas and Profile, even the Dillo wasnít enough to sway me having a powerplus in my armoury.

25 years on and I still think they are better than anything since, sure I have a T1 and yet I doubt if I had only one Bivvy it would be that. I would probably look at one of the Tracker Tempest, the Carbon Compact did struck a chord with the Utility front.
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   Old Thread  #292 4 Feb 2021 at 11.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The T1 is an excellent design imho, has its draw back still think my powerplus a 20 plus year old Bivvy shames everything in the market when compared the the all whistles and bells. However my T1 stripped back is great and full blown decent.

Having used a various brollies for 90% of my fishing over 30 years I still think they are hard to beat for practicality and if I had one Bivvy it would be that with an over warp.

We are all different and I hope you enjoy the Fox and get many years out of it.
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   Old Thread  #291 4 Feb 2021 at 0.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Falling out on how a bivvy looks,come on guys its a fishing tent.We can't all like the same things,life would be boring.I like it personally for its functionality as I have never really looked at a bit of green/camo material and thought wow that's good looking
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   Old Thread  #290 3 Feb 2021 at 11.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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any other naughty words you want the forum to filter out.
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   Old Thread  #289 3 Feb 2021 at 11.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Apologies
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   Old Thread  #288 3 Feb 2021 at 11.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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whats all this "add value" bollox?? .... This is a forum, its an opinion and im entitled to voice it as much as you are entitled to defend it
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   Old Thread  #287 3 Feb 2021 at 11.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol. I agree with both comments. You arent going to buy something you don't like the look of and you aren't going to buy something that looks good but is s**t. But his comment did add no value to anyone
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   Old Thread  #286 3 Feb 2021 at 10.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Grow up pal... Your comments about the bivvy add no value whatsoever...
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   Old Thread  #285 3 Feb 2021 at 10.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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im sensing you may have bought one
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   Old Thread  #284 3 Feb 2021 at 10.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
yeah, of course carp anglers never buy based on aesthetics
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   Old Thread  #283 3 Feb 2021 at 10.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree, hence why I said everyone has there own opinion? But if you have a choice between two bivvies after doing your research you'll choose the one you prefer the look of. Same applies with anything you buy
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   Old Thread  #282 3 Feb 2021 at 9.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Only an absolute noddy from noddyland would say such a thing and he has 14k+ posts therefore heís not exactly a Covid carping pleb, maybe a pleb, but thatís beside the point. Heís just looking for a reaction. I mean, ďgood lookingĒ bivvy Only noddys would say something like that and really mean it.
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   Old Thread  #281 3 Feb 2021 at 9.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does it matter what they look like really.....

Function over form surely


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   Old Thread  #280 3 Feb 2021 at 5.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You see I don't like the looks of the nash T1, think its rather ugly. I do like the look of the new hides though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions
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   Old Thread  #279 3 Feb 2021 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Titan and Pioneer both handsome bits of kit
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   Old Thread  #278 3 Feb 2021 at 4.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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for me if i'm honest,the best looking brolly i saw
was when i first saw nash's original oval umbrella with the velcro all around the edge, and the infill panels which just velcroed to the umbrella
first time if i'm right a oval umbrella was sold ?
brought one as soon i as i saw it, bit of a game changer for me,
with the oval you got a bit more room sideways for the bedchair, up till then it was a nubrolly with nas sides or over wrap
then after that, the titan,
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   Old Thread  #276 3 Feb 2021 at 4.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can you tell me what you think is a good looking bivvy ... They are all little green tents to me !!
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   Old Thread  #275 3 Feb 2021 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can't say I have ever looked at a bivvy and thought wow you're good looking.I guess if a good looking tent floats your boat then it takes all sorts
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   Old Thread  #274 3 Feb 2021 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wow.... Good to see your adding value to the thread🤫
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   Old Thread  #273 3 Feb 2021 at 2.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Having seen a few photos of these Frontiers ..... they are one ugly looking bivvy
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I have the X and the bag is rather big, quite a bit longer than my 2 man I had before but I guess it's because youre only folding joints in half rather than in 4 like on my two man. It does state the pack down size online but im not that bothered as its only in the bag for transportation, up its half a meter small in width and length so considerably smaller once up.

I did think I was missing a clip on my groundsheet but I hadn't lined the groundsheet up correct inside so was slightly off, fixed it pretty quick.
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   Old Thread  #271 2 Feb 2021 at 3.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I think the X is a good shout, Iím actually slightly concerned about getting this thing around to be honest but the lakes i fish are pretty small. Like I said Iíll pop some pics n stuff here when I get chance and at least everyone can get a rough idea before buying.
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   Old Thread  #270 2 Feb 2021 at 3.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm going go for the x if I take the plunge
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Iíve got the XD, just off initial impressions. Bag is huge and definitely oversized, material looks good, groundsheet is good quality and had a quick look at the elbows and seem okay.
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   Old Thread  #268 2 Feb 2021 at 3.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Which model have you had
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   Old Thread  #267 2 Feb 2021 at 2.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just took delivery of mine, will put it up tonight and see if anythingís missing. I can tell you one thing already though, itís huge.
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Seen one guy having an issue with clips missing on his groundsheet has anyone else found anything else yet
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   Old Thread  #265 1 Feb 2021 at 8.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes I agree, hence I was surprised when I checked the dimensions
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   Old Thread  #264 1 Feb 2021 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It looks it on that video
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The XD is actually slightly narrower than a Nash Hide XL same depth but taller
So Iíd not call it huge
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   Old Thread  #262 1 Feb 2021 at 8.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Without inner capsule the Xd can fit 2 small beds, but I wouldn't call it a 2 man bivvy
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   Old Thread  #261 1 Feb 2021 at 8.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was more that video of the xd where the guy said about two beds,the xd looks huge.I will let you test it out and see if any issues show up
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   Old Thread  #260 1 Feb 2021 at 8.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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😂 And me but it gives you a guide on the room... Plenty big enough and yet shallower than a tempest...
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   Old Thread  #259 1 Feb 2021 at 7.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I dont want squeeze two beds in it mate,I go fishing to escape .Once there is a bit of longer feedback and reviews its the x I will go for
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   Old Thread  #258 1 Feb 2021 at 7.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If you want some pics send me your email, I reckon you could squeeze in 2 bedchair into the x if your asking the Mrs and kids, the xd definitely is huge without the capsule...
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I know,I live near Alsager
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   Old Thread  #256 1 Feb 2021 at 11.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Definitely could have done HF as itís only down the road, didnít even think to be honest.
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   Old Thread  #255 1 Feb 2021 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could you not have done click and collect from hf angling in crewe,I know Vale Royal have got them in stock too
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Cancelled my TFT order as no sign at all of it being delivered. They seemed relieved when I asked to cancel so supports the comment below of them overselling pre orders.

Ordered from Taskerís angling and itís coming tomorrow (they have two left in stock)

Will pop a video in here when it comes and I have chance.
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If they are heavy duty nylon like the tempest block they will be fine.They are shaped so hopefully don't have too much pressure on them
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I cant help but think them elbow joints made from plastic are going to become brittle with long term use after being exposed to the elements. it looks a tidy bivvy and 5 years from start to finish product seems a long time,but how long has the finished product been tested for...I hope its a hit as it looks decent.
stand by for the camolite version in 12 months no doubt that will get people selling the green just for camo....
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Not sure mate, but here are the dimensions for the frontiers. The flat back definitely makes more room for the front but not sure if the depth is smaller or bigger than the 100 bivvy.

Fox frontier
(Width 2.50 x Depth 1.85 x height 1.3)

Fox frontier X
(Width 2.60 x Depth 1.98 x height 1.4)






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   Old Thread  #250 1 Feb 2021 at 7.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So how does the Frontier X compare to the Tempest 100 bivvy? Is it just the a bit higher? Im assuming you get more floor space in the Frontier with the flat back? Is the material better on the Tempest?
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   Old Thread  #249 31 Jan 2021 at 8.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Letís just say if you sit on an ss4 in an advanced 100, you get a bad neck looking out and Iím only 5í11Ē
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   Old Thread  #248 31 Jan 2021 at 7.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cant comment on the comparison with the 100 but seems good enough with mine. No negatives from me on the height of the X
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   Old Thread  #247 31 Jan 2021 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just want I wanted to hear, I have the ss4 and was hoping there was a bit more height than the tempest 100
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   Old Thread  #246 31 Jan 2021 at 5.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not sure mate, but if you're worried about the height I have the tall ss4 bedchair and I'm 6ft 3 and the head room is fine for me, can see out the bivvy too
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   Old Thread  #245 31 Jan 2021 at 5.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Whatís the door way height with the door rolled up on the x model
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Yeah the X is decent size... Got my flatliner in no problem with a bit of room head and feet end and then you have about a metre space in front...

Personally don't get why the need for a capsule but hey that's me.. When the capsule is fitted it is the same dimensions as the X model...
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I like the look of these and am looking at the X model. Would like to see them all in the flesh rather than the stated dimensions though, so could be some wait until I can do that

I have a V2 brolly and V2 bivvy which I use for short/long sessions. I find the V2 bivvy massive and the brolly a little on the squeeze size but not uncomfortable for a night or 2. Im sure the XD is similar in size to the V2 bivvy and the standard frontier more like the V2 brolly. So Iím hoping the X is somewhere in the middle which would be perfect for me as Iíd sell both my bivvy and brolly for it
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That was what I was thinking,cheers
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I have the X mate and I own a large bed chair (SS4 wideboy) literally fits perfectly in the X, the normal one would be too small.
To be safe id go for the X, it's literally only 10cm bigger in length, height and width than the standard so barely any difference, but you just get that little extra room and height to be safe
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On the walk round video he says it's a bit tight with one bedchair,what the hell is he sleeping on.The xd model looks far too big for my needs ,I can't decide between the frontier or the x model.
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   Old Thread  #238 31 Jan 2021 at 1.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Video on YouTube giving you a rough run down of the frontier... Its the xd model, just search fox frontier and the chaps name is tyron mapp
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   Old Thread  #237 30 Jan 2021 at 10.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Even the Death Star had a hole the size of a womp rat in it 👍🏼
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   Old Thread  #236 30 Jan 2021 at 10.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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For me:
Summer: inner capsul/vapour peak, winter: inner capsule/overwrap

in may i always get my bonus if the experiences are good i buy the Xd

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I've a couple of Tempest's, the Frontier adds very little if anything to their design. If i was in the market for a new abode I'd give it a go once the field testing has finished solely because I think they haven't taken the pisss with the price.
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   Old Thread  #234 30 Jan 2021 at 9.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Think you've made it clear in numerous posts
It's not for you.
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He wants to use it in the rain

It would be like buying the Death Star without the shields, he'd be totally ****ed.
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Am I missing something but why would you buy the xd with inner dome and mozzie mesh door and windows then also buy the vapour shield, wrap and mozzie front?
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Brilliant. Thanks very much.
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   Old Thread  #229 30 Jan 2021 at 8.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mine arrived on Thursday from Johnson Ross. Went for the full shebang. Not had it up or tested it yet so canít comment on quality. I went for this after trying a Cyprinus Typhoon Max Head as the quality was incredibly poor so hoping itís worth the money. Iíll certainly give my honest assessment when Iíve road tested it properly.
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   Old Thread  #228 30 Jan 2021 at 7.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tom says was shipped on Friday,he will chase it up Monday
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   Old Thread  #227 30 Jan 2021 at 5.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank you, frontier x with the skull cap. I was going to give it till Tuesday and ring so don't go out of your way. I expect they are busy with dispatches as are couriers.
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   Old Thread  #226 30 Jan 2021 at 5.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Best giving Tom a call Monday morning
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   Old Thread  #225 30 Jan 2021 at 5.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How much are vale doing the xd for ????
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   Old Thread  #224 30 Jan 2021 at 5.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Will chase it up for you,what model did you order
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   Old Thread  #223 30 Jan 2021 at 4.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Rightly or wrongly, I had no hesitation on the block or the joints. Purely based on the fact that fox have had a very long field testing process in that department in the form of the easy domes and evo shelters. I'm sure they've learnt what works and doesn't with them? Now if only Vale would hurry up and post me mine 😭
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   Old Thread  #222 30 Jan 2021 at 4.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If the joints are heavy duty nylon then they should be fine,it's the main thing that's concerning me too
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   Old Thread  #221 30 Jan 2021 at 4.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'll.wait and see.on those joints. Looks like it's weakest link.

All in all, it does look like it ticks all the boxes, good colour, good height, got pockets, a clip on the ceiling, good sizing.

I think Fox will shake up the market with this bivvy.
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   Old Thread  #220 30 Jan 2021 at 3.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The inner dome according to fox will reduce the Xd to the size of the x internally
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   Old Thread  #219 30 Jan 2021 at 3.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good call that, hopefully give a few bob discount with a decent order. With regard to the inner dome, does this significantly reduce the internal area?

I'm assuming its purpose is to reduce condensation inside the inner shell?

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   Old Thread  #218 30 Jan 2021 at 3.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm in the same boat.. waiting 6 months to see and hear some decent reviews. If all good I'll buy
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   Old Thread  #217 30 Jan 2021 at 3.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah xd is the daddy, no bigger than the tempest v2 bivvy apart from height... Personally not a fan of the inner dome... Think you can get some discount off a few if you give them a ring... Vale as below
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   Old Thread  #216 30 Jan 2021 at 3.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No more than the vapour peak mate
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   Old Thread  #215 30 Jan 2021 at 3.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!