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   Old Thread  #18 17 Aug 2020 at 5.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How can anglers think owners can go without income for so many months? I completelly understand what they are doing now... In first wave majority of them decided to take the loss surelly people dont think they can do that once more?
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   Old Thread  #17 17 Aug 2020 at 5.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I fully understand and sympathise with anyone suffering from this situatuion however as you lads cannot afford to lose income the same applies to the lake owner who will lose his if you cancel. It really is a no win situation with someone going to be a loser whatever happens.
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   Old Thread  #16 17 Aug 2020 at 4.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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oldfellah i can see your point it isnt really anybodys fault but a lot of anglers maybe be putting there jobs in jepordy by choosing to come to france and then having to isolalate as were just entering what could be the biggest recession in most of our lives so with the bait i have ordered and the cost of the trip ill be almost £1000 out of pocket or risk losing my job
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   Old Thread  #15 17 Aug 2020 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There is nothing stopping you going to France (at the moment) itís just advice from the government to only travel if itís essential, they are not saying you canít travel. Therefore it is entirely up to the angler if they want to travel, they wonít get stopped at Dover and turned around because they are going fishing, the only thing you need to do is quarantine on your return

Lakes are open and travel is allowed so as far as the lake owners are concerned itís business as usual and if you donít turn up you will lose your money

Couple of my mates are due out on Cretelakes on 19th September and they had to pay the balance of their trips the other week, they asked what would happen if we had to quarantine and because of the quarantine they decided not to go. They basically said itís tough, if you donít pay your balance now you will lose your trips and if you decide you donít want to quarantine on your return home so decide not to go, then they would also lose their money
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   Old Thread  #14 17 Aug 2020 at 4.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Err....there is no problem travelling to France !
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   Old Thread  #13 17 Aug 2020 at 3.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi we have had this problem lake owner cant see any problem travelling to france he is being a compete ****
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   Old Thread  #12 17 Aug 2020 at 2.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can tell you and from a French venue owner MOST DONT
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   Old Thread  #11 17 Aug 2020 at 1.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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? Lots do.
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   Old Thread  #10 17 Aug 2020 at 1.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I can never understand why anglers travelling to France etc take out breakdown cover but don't take out travel insurance which includes health cover.
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   Old Thread  #9 17 Aug 2020 at 1.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And that is why you have holiday insurance so the lake keeps your money and the insurance company reimburses you. Everyone is happy.
Trouble is the insurance companies have decided because its a pandemic they can opt out but keep your premium.
Thus leaving this right old mess.😭
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   Old Thread  #8 17 Aug 2020 at 1.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not strictly true though is it, uk advice is not to travel to France unless essential and let's face it, fishing is certainly not....... Which also negates travel insurance if you do get into the country.

For me, I'm happy to go if allowed to travel, if not allowed to travel then it's not possible to fish there.

I understand the thought of lakes not being able to afford to not lose income, however, it goes both ways, I can't afford to subsidise someone else's business for no return to me. I know it's not the lakes fault, it's also not my fault........

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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   Old Thread  #7 17 Aug 2020 at 12.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Think you will find most lakes will have the same attitude, which I agree with.

As far as the lake owners are concerned, they are open for business. There is nothing stopping people travelling to their lakes etc. Itís the anglers choice whether to travel or not.

Basically as the angler you have 2 choices. Go and fish then quarantine upon return or donít travel and forfeit any money already paid

When the borders were closed and it wasnít physically possible to travel then you could understand the lake owners doing their best to try and sort something out as it was out of everyoneís control. This time though itís down to the anglers own decision

To put it another way, would you expect your money back or your trip to be moved at any other time just because you decided you donít fancy it?
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   Old Thread  #6 17 Aug 2020 at 12.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think it is worth considering that from a fishery owners point of view the situation is more complex than it may seem. Firstly most have weathered winter with no income at all and then suffered the consequences of the big lock down. That resulted in complete loss of earnings for the period ending from the start of the season up to a couple of weeks ago. Any money paid into a French registered business will already have had to be declared and tax/cotisations of at least 23% paid. Fish feed, nettings, aeration, gravel and hardcore plus equipment purchases will still have been made to safeguard the environment and fish stocks. In our case £4500 has been spent in the last month alone on aeration upgrades. During the major lockdown many fisheries either refunded or carried payment made over to a future booking. In our case we have lost £45,000 income in that period. We felt it was right to carry the burden of that loss as anglers were unable to visit through border/lake closures. The situation now is that at last we can take anglers back and start to receive an income from the business for the latter part of the season. The lakes are open, the border is open and business is 'as usual'. If anglers decide not to come over due to possible loss of income on their return it is wrong to expect the fishery to absorb that cost. It is easy to regard lake owners as rich kids that just suck the cash from the poor angler year on year however the truth for most lakes in France is very, very different. In the last week or so I have been speaking to numerous lake owners in France that are struggling financially due to this years events. There is no doubt that some will not survive and others, like ourselves will be seeing the financial loss for several years to come. Remember 15 weeks bookings carried over to next year means 15 weeks of income that we will not receive in 2021. Most of us lake owners are family people that took a life decision to move to France and sink their savings, house sale, etc into their of having their own carp fishery. We are not wealthy, we are passionate about our fisheries and value our customers highly however we cannot (not will not) afford to take the financial hit of cancelled booking when we are open for 'business as usual'
I have stuck my head above the parapet on behalf of all lake owners over here and have no doubt that the usual crowd will villify me for dong so....thats life !!
Oh, by the way.....we have had just the one cancellation and look like enjoying a good second half to the season so no sour grapes from this old chap.
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   Old Thread  #5 17 Aug 2020 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This is a really difficult situation for fishery owners and customers alike, The trouble for fishery owners is if they carry over every holiday to next year they essentially looking at losing the best part of a years income!! As for anglers the other thing to be careful of if you do decide to travel then quarantine/isolate comes into play, I would read the small print on any travel insurance you have as i believe that you may not be covered, All in all its a bloody mess
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   Old Thread  #4 17 Aug 2020 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As a starter for ten, pascale of goncourt has apparently posted a video on Facebook stating unable to move bookings and won't refund. Seemingly close to losing the business, which for such a solidly booked complex is hard to believe.

Although I've had zero contact from them or updates as a person with a live booking with them for this year and next.
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