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   Old Thread  #220 23 Jul 2020 at 11.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol

Bravo the idiots that put all those big carp in the water to support the otters long enough to reproduce.
MAN INTRODUCED THE CARP... the otters were here first technically
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   Old Thread  #219 23 Jul 2020 at 11.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Likewise, otters wouldn't be about in their numbers causing a problem if man hadn't artificially reintroduced them en mass. Otter + big carp = nom nom nom.

Without anything higher up the food chain to keep their numbers in check, they'll naturally spread into areas in search of food.

There was never an otter problem until some bright spark thought, I know, why don't we introduce an apex predator that hasn't anything to keep the numbers down, make them a protected species...otter explosion. Bravo that idiot.
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   Old Thread  #218 23 Jul 2020 at 10.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My point is thereís nothing natural about most fisheries, the predators wouldnít be there without us putting fish in there
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   Old Thread  #217 23 Jul 2020 at 10.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When they don't spend the money on a gatekeeper / otter fence or gamekeeper. To keep the predators down to a level that allows an ecological and sustainable level to be achieved.
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   Old Thread  #216 23 Jul 2020 at 9.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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👍🏻 If you love the fish that much you wouldnít be attempting to place a hook in its mouth to capture it. You would turn up with sunglasses, camera and hopefully get a piccy of it in the margins. I happily go to a lake to fish but wouldnít dream f fishing in my garden pond 😀 My Mrs now wishes we had made the pond bigger so if everyone wants to chip in for digger, liner, filter etc... I will cover the cost of the fencing 😀

Get me gong all PETAish 😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #215 23 Jul 2020 at 9.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This isnít aimed at you mate, but at what point do a group angling for captive bred fish, surviving on a supplemented diet to encourage unnatural growth, stocked with the sole intention of being caught become hypocrites when talking about natural balance and ecosystems?
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   Old Thread  #214 23 Jul 2020 at 9.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Red kites are like ravens ,and crows ,basically carrion feeders. If you put out food for them you are going to have a population explosion. Similar to the urban fox overpopulation. Which has resulted in mangy, scrawny,
half starved animals that only find release when they get run over in their droves. It's very sad because it's unnatural and shouldn't ,and wouldn't , happen without human intervention.
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   Old Thread  #213 23 Jul 2020 at 8.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nah the problem there with the kites is human once more, feeding them! Canít feed them human food and then be surprised when the masters of the air want to start helping themselves
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   Old Thread  #212 23 Jul 2020 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Tim. Every now and then you get a post like this, from someone who is aware.
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   Old Thread  #211 23 Jul 2020 at 1.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #210 23 Jul 2020 at 1.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ecological balance will not be attained if the biomass of the food source is artificially maintained or increased. It's why Grouse and Pheasant shoots need gamekeepers.( An oversimplification I know but an example to get the point across ).
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   Old Thread  #209 23 Jul 2020 at 12.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The released otters wouldíve been the ones dying by means of natural selection but some nutters keep putting carp into lakes that they can maim at will.
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   Old Thread  #208 23 Jul 2020 at 11.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think there'd be more humans on my list tbh!

Greekskii - agreed. This isn't really about otters. They never asked me to crowd fund anything
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   Old Thread  #207 23 Jul 2020 at 11.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sense... which they didnít have, and still donít have unfortunately.

But this neednít turn in to an otter thread. We already have one of those.
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   Old Thread  #206 23 Jul 2020 at 11.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Natural otters i agree with. The problem (although its pretty academic now given it has already happened) was the release of otters without any study or understanding of the relocation site/environments.

My parents used to live in Hampshire and the river Itchen where they were has had a pair of otters there for 20 odd years, and is successful (and too expensive for me!) beat of river with natural brown trout (ie not repeatedly stocked).

The other factor is that the otters main food source is so much scarcer than when they were more wide spread (Eels).

I love seeing natural otters in the wild, however i despise the way that they were bred and then just released without any study or due care and attention. A slow reintroduction with relevant environmental considerations to allow them to find a natural balance over time would have been much, much better.

All IMO of course.
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