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   Old Thread  #295 10 Aug 2020 at 9.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah mate it makes sense. But like I said, and Iím sure mal will be able to say How correct this is, Iím pretty sure teachers are performance based in terms of they could lose their job. But end of the day some kids wonít be bothered and itís unfair to punish a teacher for something out of their control. The only way you could do it is based on student predicted grades and final grades otherwise itís unfair on a set 3 teacher with all the D & E grade students when their colleague teaches set 1 with their A & B students, for example.

Sure there is some form of fair system but I canít see it ever being fair because there are multiple factors out of a teachers control that can affect a students performance.
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   Old Thread  #294 10 Aug 2020 at 9.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As I see school, for some itís just another conveyor belt of kids going through a cycle and some take a real passion and interest, it ultimately dictates their futures!!!

Hereís a bit of real life experience. My daughters school ended up been turned into an academy by Ofsted due to under performance. It was no surprise to me since some of the teachers were horrendous, no homework, very little guidance, very poor feedback in lessons and a year tutor whoís head was that far up his arse he could not see daylight, I had several conversations with him and the man was a joke, simply would not listen. I had a couple of meetings with the head mistress who again I thought was pretty pathetic, her life was great, her kids were in private schooling etc. etc. OK then, what are you going to do about the kids in this school? The only satisfaction i got is following the Ofsted report they both got ****ed off and several others. Now me and my Mrs both work so we paid for our daughter to have extra lessons twice a week to enable her to keep up. Not ideal but if needs are a must and all. No homework so I could not understand what she was learning so could not help, and an online blackboard system that was never up to date, not to mention no details of the curriculum etc etc.

Now the key point with all of this, whilst a couple of muppets were playing ďgodĒ it was the kids that were really suffering. Mine was more fortunate because we did something about it, and I seriously felt sorry for a lot of the other kids who did not have these options, failed before they even started out in life, appalling if Iím honest. These are major stepping stones in a kids life and that why I think there should be some element of performance management, just same as there are in other jobs in life.

Reward the real stars, handsomely for me

Not performing, you get what you get
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   Old Thread  #293 10 Aug 2020 at 8.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Performance based I believe they get anyway, in the fact that if they donít meet targets their job is at risk. I donít think you can control it because itís down to the children at the end of the day. If they arenít willing then there is only so much a teacher can do. Even intelligent kids might not be too bothered.
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   Old Thread  #292 10 Aug 2020 at 5.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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One word for me, passion

Iíve had good and bad teachers and lecturers, my daughter has had the same experience. I agree that they should be paid more as a whole. One thing for sure, you never forget the good ones and always remember the bad ones!

Personally I think dealing with people also requires a different skill set than just an academic qualification. Listening to people, being able to inspire and engage them, also being able to capture their imagination is a good start and that is usually down to the character of the person.

Not sure myself, I think performance related pay would be a good thing but difficult to control? Good bonus based on exam results? If I were a techer and came to work and gave it my all I would be well pissed if some mug came and just took the money

Need to look at rewarding the good ones somehow for me, lead the way

TBH I have been thinking about having a crack at it myself over the last few years of my career. Sharing my knowledge and helping others
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   Old Thread  #291 10 Aug 2020 at 3.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can assure I haven't please feel free to have the last word
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   Old Thread  #290 10 Aug 2020 at 2.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You made it up to suit your agenda again
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   Old Thread  #289 10 Aug 2020 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There we go again.
If you find me tedious do not ask me any further questions
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   Old Thread  #288 10 Aug 2020 at 2.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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are we all forgetting academies exist, and a lot of them, privatised state education that doesnt have to pay state teacher salaries so a government sanctioned pay rise makes no difference, and also can employ people to teach children that arent actually qualified teachers. They have the same freedoms as independent schools.

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   Old Thread  #287 10 Aug 2020 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok as is all too common with you it's the tedious route.
Where in post 281 did I say it was the main reason?
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   Old Thread  #286 10 Aug 2020 at 2.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You ask a question in post 281 and I answer it in 284
I would say your response to me is more likely the reason he has gone.
I won't retaliate though.

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   Old Thread  #285 10 Aug 2020 at 2.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Jesus H no wonder Keebs threw his hand in
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   Old Thread  #284 10 Aug 2020 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'd say a person who wants to become a teacher because they care about teaching would be better than a highly qualified person who's main reason for becoming a teacher is for the money.
That's only my opinion, Mal is better placed to answer.
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   Old Thread  #283 10 Aug 2020 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly, we're expecting the system to turn out geniuses by people on security guard wages.
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   Old Thread  #282 10 Aug 2020 at 1.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's a fair point but you could also argue that some potentially really good teachers never went into it because the starting salary was low. I suppose the truth is that you'll always get some people who do it for the wrong reasons. They don't always stick it out though...

I came to teaching a bit older and effectively took a 10 grand per year pay cut to do it - but the money wasn't the key thing for me.

5.5 per cent on 25000 is 1375 per year. After tax and NI it's maybe enough for a short holiday I guess.
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   Old Thread  #281 10 Aug 2020 at 1.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does that make them the best for the role?
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