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   Old Thread  #38 5 Jul 2020 at 8.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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David Koresh had a community, or was that a cult
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   Old Thread  #37 5 Jul 2020 at 8.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"COMMUNITY: A group of people living together and practising common ownership"


Yeah best leave it there again.
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   Old Thread  #36 5 Jul 2020 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Communism has never existed , closest we have seen it is Cuba , but america made sure it could not succeed ,
However , you should look up democratic socialism , the countries that have managed it are now the best countries in the world to live with regard to standard of living , health care , wages and pensions , their schools are also leading the way , and they are the least corrupt politically ! their systems are built on a capitalist system with state ownership of certain things usually , health care , post , gas ,electric etc , railways ! of course it is not perfect , no system is ,and there is a perpetual fight against corruption , one we are loosing at the moment in the uk ! it is possible and over the next few years as people become more aware of it as they analyze their plights it could be possible !
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   Old Thread  #35 5 Jul 2020 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís like I said Mal, there was a lot of that about at the beginning of Lockdown ( apart from the panic buying ) but sadly it evaporated with peoplesís consciences in no time at all, it might yet come back but I agree with you on that, if everyone helped out someone less fortunate than them then the world would be a better place but it doesnít take too much for people to go back to me me me mode👎
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   Old Thread  #34 5 Jul 2020 at 8.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Funny old world, two extremes for me, communism and the democratic world of greed and waste

I went to Cuba a few years ago, not nice to see if Iím honest. Used to chat to the hotel staff as you do, I thought they were on theirs arses due to trade embargoes, no the government. Nobody had a good word for them. I stayed in an iberostar hotel. The government charged them around £1500 per month per employee and then paid the employees absolute peanuts whilst the minority in charge where living in luxury. Was talking to a Gardner, he had qualified as a doctor, everybody can get a good education but then they canít use it, lack of opportunities and the pay structure is kind of flat so they put all that effort in for virtually nothing. Went to Havana for a couple of nights, the poverty is unreal, again, not nice to see. Exploiting people really to the highest level. Think yourself lucky we live in our country. When you see the other side you know how lucky we are. We take a lot of stuff for granted sadly
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   Old Thread  #33 5 Jul 2020 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They could let the Green mp have the casting vote...

Just an idea....


I think what I'm getting at with community is the sense of 'if I have more then I will help those who have less, or at least not begrudge them that help from others if it is truly needed.

Which isn't communism, and is not capitalism. However.... it's probably a stretch for most supposedly civilised countries....
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   Old Thread  #32 5 Jul 2020 at 7.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I donít despise Communism, I say it doesnít work, find me the sentence where I say I despise Communism

COMMUNISM A theory or system of social organisation in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs

COMMUNITY A group of people living together and practising common ownership

Kind of similar in a basic sense and I did say to Mal I do know what you mean so please Ocelot donít letís get started again as I have no wish to get into a debate with you, clearly you and I disagree to a great extent so letís just leave it there as I would much prefer to have a sensible debate in person rather than keyboard warrior to and fro-ing
I replied to Jon because I thought his post misrepresented the truth
As for community, Iíll tell you what kind of community I like and thatís the one where we all came out at 2000 on a Thursday night to clap for carers when the press were full of admiration for the population reporting how kind we had all become to each other with neighbours helping neighbours........and then a black man was killed by the police in the USA and everything changed back to us vs them, me vs you, black vs White, left vs right.......what a mess!
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   Old Thread  #31 5 Jul 2020 at 7.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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party funding would dry up pretty quickly I reckon

@post 30- thatís sort of the idea. They earn their money by thrashing out a compromise that the population benefit from rather than party donors or risk losing their jobs. The finer details might take a while, itís usually something I only contemplate while intoxicated
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   Old Thread  #30 5 Jul 2020 at 7.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There is a slight flaw in that system in that some would be from the left and some from the right, they would then need to vote in changes in Laws etc.... similar to what they do now and you would have to go with the majority....you canít win Noj
There are far too many MPís anyway, we donít need 600 greedy ( not all ) privileged representatives, and as for that lot in the other chamber.....Iíd abolish them straight away and save the country a fortune!
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   Old Thread  #29 5 Jul 2020 at 7.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You despise Communism and say community is essentially the same thing. A couple of typo's?
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   Old Thread  #28 5 Jul 2020 at 7.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm in!


Unfortunately it's too sensible an idea for any uk government to support....
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   Old Thread  #27 5 Jul 2020 at 7.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As Iíve said previously, a coalition of ministers voted for independently on personal merit rather than political association would be the ideal situation for me.
You might even see a green with more power than his/her/their Nissan leaf
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   Old Thread  #26 5 Jul 2020 at 7.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Community rather than communism. How about that as an idea?

I think theyíre the same thing essentially Mal but I know what you mean
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   Old Thread  #25 5 Jul 2020 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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George Orwell wrote a good story about it too.

Human nature and pure communism don't mix unfortunately. As a species we appear to have a selfish trait that goes beyond fight or flight / natural selection etc. And teeters over the edge into a real relish in f***ing other people over and enjoying their downfall and misfortune.

Community rather than communism. How about that as an idea?

Actually I really like that. I'm running for election on that ticket. Vote me!
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   Old Thread  #24 5 Jul 2020 at 7.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't think anyone apart from you would see it that way. Joe average doesn't agree.
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