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   Old Thread  #264 7 Aug 2020 at 10.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's these hot nights Scoz I can't help myself.
BTW it was Morrisons tonight, I think I caught on the camera
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   Old Thread  #263 7 Aug 2020 at 8.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hiya fishie

I'm pretty confident you know the ins and outs of it in terms of the law better than most of us on here so again fair enough.

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   Old Thread  #262 7 Aug 2020 at 7.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exposing myself?

Was is it Tesco again then Bob? How about trying Asda next time
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   Old Thread  #261 7 Aug 2020 at 5.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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May I make a suggestion,
Next time someone doesn't understand one of your posts rather react in the way that you do why don't you just try to explain it in a different way rather cause a confrontation, you'll probably be thanked for doing it.

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   Old Thread  #260 7 Aug 2020 at 3.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And now we know why you are like you are.
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   Old Thread  #259 7 Aug 2020 at 2.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't know only go by what I read. Anyway I'm going back outside for some more sunshine.
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   Old Thread  #258 7 Aug 2020 at 2.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have you just misunderstood a perfectly basic statement.
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   Old Thread  #257 7 Aug 2020 at 2.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exposing myself?
You seem to making a lot of errors today
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   Old Thread  #256 7 Aug 2020 at 2.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Clearly I was giving examples of actions taken against people whilst being investigated.
Canít believe youíre sad enough to actually purposely try and make it seem like I was saying they all happen at the same time.

Keep exposing yourself bud.
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   Old Thread  #255 7 Aug 2020 at 2.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well if you are suspended you're suspended. Can't be on restricted duties if your suspended, can't move to another office and work from there if you're suspended and if you are on gardening leave it means you are nor suspended
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   Old Thread  #254 7 Aug 2020 at 2.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can't have all of them at the same time

You are joking arenít you? Please tell me youíre joking.
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   Old Thread  #253 7 Aug 2020 at 1.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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but routinely all over the country employees are suspended, put on gardening leave, have restricted duties, moved office space You can't have all of them at the same time. Parliaments is out until September so my guess he/she is on gardening leave
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   Old Thread  #252 7 Aug 2020 at 1.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís fine but itís in the workplace, you have workplace policies and guidelines same as everywhere else. Normally an internal investigation will happen too. It may be post police investigation in this instance but routinely all over the country employees are suspended, put on gardening leave, have restricted duties, moved office space. When an incident is being investigated.
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   Old Thread  #251 7 Aug 2020 at 1.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mal

An accusation of misconduct again is just an accusation not a proof of guilt, until he is charged with criminal offences or failures in a public office he is still innocent.

Its wrong but its the law!

Unfortunately as the CPS are involved and it will be a cross and dot all the "i"s and "T"s, including telephone records, social media and the ins and outs of a ducks ********. So don't expect a quick conclusion to charging!

Gone are the days when the charging sergeant would give it a go and let the courts decide.
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   Old Thread  #250 7 Aug 2020 at 12.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair point.

Agreed on innocent until proven guilty. And agreed on him stepping back and being out on gardening leave.

The accusation involves reports of misconduct at work and I'd say with this in mind a suspension pending investigation would be the appropriate thing to do. No names need to be made public and shouldn't be unless there is a charge etc.
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   Old Thread  #249 7 Aug 2020 at 12.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My two penneth and then i'm out. The rule of this country is you are innocent until proven guilty.

He should do the decent thing and stay away from Parliament whilst this is being investigated, and put on gardening leave. But as it stands at this moment he is still under investigation. Once he's charged if that happens, he should be named and then suspended. But at this stage he is still innocent and up and until conviction he still is!

Look what happened with Op. Minsted public figures named and shamed, Procter, Lord Brittain and Gen. Dannent. None charged and all publicly outed, some dying without closure of the case! But no charges so all innocent.

Its not right but its the law of the land!
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   Old Thread  #248 7 Aug 2020 at 6.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Boris can do what he wants, didnít you know? No one will say a bad word about it. MP could be found guilty and not be sacked and the Tory voters would still somehow believe Boris made a great decision.

Seriously though, anyone else would be suspended or sacked even. Shameful that Boris wants to play pals and no one bats an eyelid.
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   Old Thread  #247 7 Aug 2020 at 1.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think Jess Phillips called it right (as usual to be fair) in that it (a suspension) would be standard practice for other places of work and parliament should be no different.

if it's under investigation then Boris should have no knowledge of what the strength of evidence is or isn't.
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   Old Thread  #246 7 Aug 2020 at 1.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I thought that was strange. All I can think is that the evidence is so poor and so unlikely to go anywhere that this way the person get anonymity?
Not saying that's right or not but that's all I can think of
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   Old Thread  #245 7 Aug 2020 at 0.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/06/boris-defends-decision-not-suspend-tory-mp-arrested-suspicion-rape-13093683/?ito=push-notification&ci=26830&si=9412819

so they'll remove the whip for not voting for brexit, but not for being investigated for sexual assault...

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   Old Thread  #244 6 Aug 2020 at 10.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The USA sending a high profile delegation to Taiwan with an ambassador in all but name. First time in years. Ratcheting up the response to the Hong Kong, one country two system's changes by undermining the two governments one country stance with China over Taiwan. Risky stuff.
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   Old Thread  #242 5 Aug 2020 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank god itís only on Brit Box.
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Result, cant wait for that, sure they can find plenty of ammo lol
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   Old Thread  #240 5 Aug 2020 at 7.42am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Spitting image is coming back !
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   Old Thread  #239 2 Aug 2020 at 0.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Remove the word videos and you could be talking about most of the contributors to the Corona thread
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   Old Thread  #238 1 Aug 2020 at 11.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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from what I've seen of tiktok it's a bunch of attention seeking kids and grown up narcissists posting videos of themselves in a bid for popularity

sounds like the kind of thing trump would love!
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   Old Thread  #237 1 Aug 2020 at 9.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Trump is banning tiktok because itís Chinese. From what I gather it is pretty invasive and data trawling intensive. Personally never liked or used it so doesnít bother me but plenty of tiktok reliant ďinfluencersĒ are going to be either relocating or unemployed
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   Old Thread  #236 1 Aug 2020 at 12.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
BA pilots Union striking a deal that reduces redundancies from 1255 to 270. Good to see employees and employer's finding a solution in tough times.
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   Old Thread  #235 1 Aug 2020 at 0.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The whole system needs to be changed but as it currently favours the Tories and Labour it won't be happening soon.
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   Old Thread  #234 1 Aug 2020 at 0.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not what I voted for....

But tbh none of the bullocks that has been peddled is what I voted for so I remain unsurprised and unimpressed
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   Old Thread  #233 31 Jul 2020 at 11.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So Claire Fox and Evgeny Lebedev into the unelected second chamber.

An actual terrorist sympathiser and the son of a KGB man.

Is this the democracy you wanted?
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So they weren't built by the aliens who donate their DNA to the doctor that Trump is backing then...?

It would've funny if it wasn't true....

https://youtu.be/dQS5mK_7dh8 - maga....
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   Old Thread  #231 30 Jul 2020 at 0.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Whatever next?

They've finally worked out where the big vertical stones at Stonehenge came from. 'scientists thought they may have been transported from as far away as Devon or Norfolk'...
Turns out they came from the closest source of that type of rock, 15 miles up the road. Who'd have thunk it?

It's like when my wife gets all happy and excited when she finds her previously lost keys, and when I ask where they were she says 'in my bag'
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   Old Thread  #230 24 Jul 2020 at 1.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The corrupting influences on democracy are many. The excellent BBC documentary: Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty should remind people about whose news you're reading and it's grubby individual serving nature.
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   Old Thread  #229 24 Jul 2020 at 11.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very bleak outlook with Gove heading things up. I wouldn't trust him to feed the cat if I was away overnight let alone with the Brexit negotiations

I can see lots of 'Brexitears' ahead. (I'm copyrighting that one now. It'll be well used in the future)
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   Old Thread  #228 24 Jul 2020 at 7.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The buffoon has set a new record , he has lied and misled parliament every single pmq's since returning after the c19 break !
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   Old Thread  #227 24 Jul 2020 at 0.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You mean....


They lied to us?

But this is a democracy. Surely that can't be allowed
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   Old Thread  #226 23 Jul 2020 at 10.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't worry , double O Wayne is on it , there will be no escaping him !
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   Old Thread  #225 23 Jul 2020 at 9.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
populist buffoon .











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   Old Thread  #224 23 Jul 2020 at 9.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shooosh its supposed to be a news blackout orchestrated by the conspiratorial MSM 😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #223 23 Jul 2020 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Brexit is looking like it's going to pan out as BREakdown with the amount of under the radar votes going on and the realisation of the lies the Tories told in the election campaign.

"we wont sell the NHS in a trade deal" - vote to not protect the british public ownership of the NHS in trade deals
"we wont import sub-standard food" - Vote to lower food standards
"we will at least try for a brexit deal" - categorically refuse to extend the deadline so a deal can be reached in light of the pandemic delaying things
"we know what we are doing" - prove time and time again they havent got a clue and make it up as they go along

Plenty more than those...funny that any Tory voter I know refuses to engage with anyone when the lies start unravelling in front of their eyes apart from "yeah but brexit"

And people thought we were doomed with Corbyn...yet are kissing Rishi's a*se when he starts shaking the magic money tree. Delusional about sums it up.
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   Old Thread  #222 23 Jul 2020 at 11.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!


Did the leave campaign ever re-do the opening bit of Dad's Army, but with EU flags? If not, they missed a trick.
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Walmington-on-sea Home Guard haven't stood down yet Jon. Still peering across the channel looking for imminent invasion with fixed bayonets. There is and never has been another threat stupid......
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Keep up Wayne, Brexit's done. It's non-thwartable now.

Hilarious to see how you dismiss Russian influence when you've spent so long promoting 'non MSM' bull**** on a whole range of subjects that was probably inverted in a troll farm in St Petersburg.
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   Old Thread  #219 23 Jul 2020 at 10.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'd have thought you would love it as a conspiracy theory Wayne

Imagine the fun you could have with all that talk of interference and even collusion with the kgb etc

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Dark chocolate Tim tams are the worldís greatest biscuit too
Iíve been importing mine for years
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   Old Thread  #217 23 Jul 2020 at 10.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Tim tam anyone......

Funny to see the MSM saying Brexit was influenced by Russia....complete bull****......their running out of time to try and thwart the whole process......**** the EU, their rules And regulations........
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   Old Thread  #216 22 Jul 2020 at 8.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

How did some of the worlds biggest clown's get to win , here is the formula

link.




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Magic Grandpa's got more guts than those in charge at the moment , this country needs a purge , it becomes more apparent by the day ,
what the man himself said about Keir's gutless actions

Labour Party members have a right to accountability and transparency of decisions taken in their name, and an effective commitment from the party to combat antisemitism and racism in all their forms.

The Partyís decision to apologise today and make substantial payments to former staff who sued the party in relation to last yearís Panorama programme is a political decision, not a legal one.

Our legal advice was that the party had a strong defence, and the evidence in the leaked Labour report that is now the subject of an NEC inquiry led by Martin Forde QC strengthened concerns about the role played by some of those who took part in the programme.

The decision to settle these claims in this way is disappointing, and risks giving credibility to misleading and inaccurate allegations about action taken to tackle antisemitism in the Labour Party in recent years.

To give our members the answers and justice they deserve, the inquiry led by Martin Forde must now fully address the evidence the internal report uncovered of racism, sexism, factionalism and obstruction of Labourís 2017 General Election campaign.
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Right there, need some powder

Corruption of the highest level
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Now you mention magic grandpa whatís he got to say about the payouts to the whistle blowers over the internal investigations into anti-semetic allegations. They capitulated in court rather than have their dirty washing out for everyone to see.

All as bad as each other 👍🏻 To sides of the same coin 😀
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To all those that lapped it up around election time whilst calling those that tried to warn them !

link.

Never in the field of politics were so many lies lapped up by so many delivered by so few ! you dopey sods !

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the NHS is clearly on the table , for sale to the highest bidder as we were warned by Corbyn who's prophecy's seem to be coming true , looks like we are truly up shi* creek with this lot !

If their was any remaining believers in Johnson and co , the latest voting down of Clause 17 should put them straight , yes but were gunna get brexit done !
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   Old Thread  #210 22 Jul 2020 at 11.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Corbyn was never a threat to anyone. Including the worst Tory pm for ages, Theresa May. Unfortunately.
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One man was never a threat , the other is a massive threat , as proven recently , this lot are rotten to the core !




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Those Wahhabi Sunni Saudis are our mates so look away and keep sending the bullets. Same with the rich Russian's and Chinese investment, look away. Lay with dogs you'll get flea's.
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So the Russian bot farms pumping out ******** about Turkey joining the EU, an imminent EU army demanding national service for all youngsters and hundreds of similar stories were probably responsible for getting all the nutters out from under their rocks to swing the brexit ref, but no one wanted to actually find out, 'cos that would have made for an awkward atmosphere when having lunch with their Russian mates and pocketing the cheques for donations to party funds.

Meanwhile, the EU have agreed a 750 billion Euro recovery fund with cash going to the countries with the highest death rates. In the famous words of Jim Bowen 'UK, Look at what you could have won...'
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The news outlets that feed the masses their opinions have as a majority, ignored it. They were all over It when this exact thing was bought up in the leaked report, calling it absolute rubbish, yet now, when people are overwhelmingly supporting the NHS during the pandemic, they wonít tell them whatís just happened.

A majority of people wonít have heard about it due to the news sources they access not reporting it. Do you really think the MSM work for the people? They work for the highest bidder. Regardless of political bias.
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   Old Thread  #205 22 Jul 2020 at 6.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice to hear you have watched it mate, terrible situation and echo what you have said but thatís America for you, own gains only, went in,,took him out and left the rest to sort itself out. Did nothing for humanity and the Iraqi people and thatís what is wrong

Very interesting how they let the population rob all the banks and shops etc and the only building they protected was the ministry of oil was it. Said that at the time, oil was the underlying factor

Funny how Saudi has destroyed the Yemen and killed 100,000s too and nobody has blinked an eyelid
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   Old Thread  #204 21 Jul 2020 at 11.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Absolutely

Blair took us to war on a lie and the destruction of the infrastructure and subsequent awards for rebuild to certain vested interests added insult to injury.

I was touring a political play that touched on aspects of it all around the time and in talk back sessions we discussed the fact that Blair had a heart bypass at the time he sent people off to die and kill knowing that he had misled us all. The metaphoric idea of his heart being bypassed so he didn't have to feel for anyone was a recurring theme.

Mentioned the movie 'official secrets' recently. Well worth a watch
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   Old Thread  #203 21 Jul 2020 at 9.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was a lovely dinner

"MSM not picking it up is worrying yes, world news have, itv have... why havenít the MSM? The sun has but F them. The mirror did too. If they can run stories about Nigel who got his hand stuck in a usb slot or some Z list celeb going to the shop in trackies or whatever tripe they deem Ďnewsí but not this then it is worrying as someone is trying to not let the masses know about it. Wouldnít fit Murdochs agenda for sure.."

So the 2 biggest Tory hating papers are ignoring it and you go on to list several news outlets reporting it so WTF is it a conspiratorial blackout or not! It cant be a blackout if its in Hansard, tweeted by HoP and reported on by news outlets.

Maybe the G and I will pickup on it for tomorrows headlines or keep it on the blackout list not mentioning it
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   Old Thread  #202 21 Jul 2020 at 9.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have to agree Scozza
What an absolute mess Iraq has turned into, the Iraqi people have suffered incredible injustice at the hands of the so called western democracies and for what?
Can you believe that some of those people in that documentary actually preferred life under a brutal dictator like Saddam than what has gone since, at least they had running water and electricity and lived in some form of relative safety depending of course on what tribe you come from, Sunni or Shia, but it clearly had descended into chaos and violence that is far worse than it ever was under Saddam, you dont see much about it on the news these days but i suspect the violence continues at a level

Terribly sad stories of utter hopelessness is probably what drives the hatred of the West, both Bush and Blair have blood on their hands but politicians come and go, its the mess thats left behind that affects all of us. How on earth Blair was given the title of middle east peace envoy is beyond me!
Its particularly heart breaking to see the footage of the children in those war torn countries, children who should be playing, laughing enjoying an innocent childhood always look sad and bewildered and mentally scarred forever
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   Old Thread  #201 21 Jul 2020 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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MPs voted to not protect the NHS from foreign purchase. The amendment was to protect it from this in the trade bill so it couldnít be put on the table. By explicitly voting against protecting it, it means they are open to it being sold off as part of a trade deal. If that wasnít an intention then just vote to protect it as it makes no difference? Especially seeing how much they love to praise the NHS staff but not actually show any gratitude apart from a worthless clap.

You might believe that it is nothing to worry about, maybe you will once itís all signed and sealed without anyone knowing until after pen is put to paper...you know when itís too late.

MSM not picking it up is worrying yes, world news have, itv have... why havenít the MSM? The sun has but F them. The mirror did too. If they can run stories about Nigel who got his hand stuck in a usb slot or some Z list celeb going to the shop in trackies or whatever tripe they deem Ďnewsí but not this then it is worrying as someone is trying to not let the masses know about it. Wouldnít fit Murdochs agenda for sure...

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   Old Thread  #200 21 Jul 2020 at 5.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No i'm not saying it isn't real, and you say the MSM are hiding this, the same MSM who wet their pants over Cummings and his eyesight test

Oh you mean the Tories voted down amendments to a trade deal which doesn't protect or INCLUDE the NHS. Why didn't you say so rather than the cloak and dagger Jeremywasright sh@t.

The guardian and independent have had 24 hours to report this and haven't bothered I wonder why, maybe because its not worth reporting on at this stage. The same 2 papers who didn't check their sources over the Cummings debacle in a rush to get the story out.

If those 2 aren't bothered nor am I

Im off for my dinner
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   Old Thread  #199 21 Jul 2020 at 5.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Are you saying it isnt real? Bit odd the house of commons twitter account announced the results if it's all fake.

Egg on your face for those that denied it would happen and vigorously defended the tories stating they would never do anything like that...clearly all looking a bit foolish right now, after saying the leaked report was all lies and fake news.

The fact it ISNT on MSM shows how worryingly corrupt MSM is. Why arent they running the story? Is it not in the public interest to know what has happened? Not even the lefty rags reporting it...something stinks does it not? Maybe straying in to conspiracy theory territory but lets be honest, it isn't a theory, its obvious corruption and social manipulation, it's real.
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   Old Thread  #198 21 Jul 2020 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No defending of Tories or Boris here, but this blackout is so good but you managed to find it and obviously you are better than the Guardian, Independent and the MSM who all hate the Tories and Boris

Why hopefully followed by eggonyourface if its true its true!

Wouldn't it be on every news outlet now! As of 1 minute ago it was only trending on Twitter that great moral compass and news source.
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   Old Thread  #197 21 Jul 2020 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How embarrassing but predictable. Russia will always try to destabilize the UK/EU/ USA that's a given. For us to be cowed by Russian money sloshing around London is unacceptable. Let's see the government response towards Russia and not the report.
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Are we all aware Tory MPs have voted against keeping the NHS in ownership of the British public?

The MSM blackout of it is frightening, bit odd considering all tories feel the MSM is totally against them...clearly not the case.

#CorbynWasRight trending strong on social media right now, hopefully followed by #EggOnYourFace
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Only caught a snippet on the news but I did hear the phrase that in successive 'democratic votes and elections' the government had 'actively avoided investigating claims of Russian interference' ...

Oh dear....
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   Old Thread  #194 21 Jul 2020 at 1.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And what a **** storm it turned out to be!
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   Old Thread  #193 20 Jul 2020 at 9.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Great watch on the Iraq war. Itís called Once upon a time In Iraq if anybody is interested. You can see part 1 on the BBC I player.

Shows the true reflection of war told through several people who were on the arse end of it, from victims to special forces and a whole variation of people, a little disturbing really

Very good program
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   Old Thread  #192 16 Jul 2020 at 11.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Russia Report coming soon.
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   Old Thread  #191 16 Jul 2020 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Another shabby episode from Johnson with his attempt to rig the influential and supposedly independent Intelligence and Security Committee Chair. Putting his flunky fall guy Chris Grayling as the chair back fired when Ian Lewis voted for himself Subsequently getting booted out of the Tory Parliamentary Party.
You couldn't make it up
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   Old Thread  #190 15 Jul 2020 at 10.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Robert Maxwell's daughter, friend of prince Andrew, and general nonce-assistant ....

Her name is pronounced 'Jizz-Lane' surely?

Bloody MSM are making up all sorts of alternatives.
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   Old Thread  #189 15 Jul 2020 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Lancet article gives all the factors used and blurb but is a heavy read.
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   Old Thread  #188 15 Jul 2020 at 2.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521
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   Old Thread  #187 15 Jul 2020 at 2.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok I'll see if I can find it and give it a read
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   Old Thread  #186 15 Jul 2020 at 2.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The study conclusion is a global population collapse within 80 year's. Acute in certain countries, not a gradual decline.
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However it pans out most of us won't be here to witness it. Future generations will see the changes gradually so it will be just a part of life for them.

I do find it difficult to believe that Italy figure though,
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   Old Thread  #184 15 Jul 2020 at 1.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, this.

Quotes from the "experts":
"To be successful we need a fundamental rethink of global politics.
"The distribution of working-age populations will be crucial to whether humanity prospers or withers."
Wowzers.

@Mal, Children of Men is an incredible film
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Yep, instead of points systems for immigration countries will be offering incentives for working age migrants. Who pays taxes to care for the huge old age population, who cares for them even. AI and robotics will have to take lots of jobs that populations can't fill etc. Sub Saharan Africa population will treble over this time so that's where your working population will come from. Putting incentives in place for people to have more children is a tricky proposition and bound to face opposition as does immigration.
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   Old Thread  #182 15 Jul 2020 at 12.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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now I'm intrigued...

what are you expecting? ageing population? more draw on resources to care for them?

genuinely asking

puts me in mind of the film 'Children of Men' (Clive Owen) - takes it to the nth degree. A REALLY good film
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   Old Thread  #181 15 Jul 2020 at 11.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I just read about that this morning. V interesting. The impacts it will have are not what you might expect.
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   Old Thread  #180 15 Jul 2020 at 11.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good! It'll be too late by then though, the world will still be overpopulated for the resources available. That's if we dont destroy it before then.
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   Old Thread  #179 15 Jul 2020 at 10.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
A fertility study by the University of Washington has some incredible projections.
Japan population 128 million now, 53 million by the end of the century. Italy population now 61 million, 28 million by the end of the century. UK projected to peak at 75 million dropping back to 71 million over the same time frame. China population 1.4 billion now, to 770 million by the end of the century.

Education and more women working is the reason apparently.
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   Old Thread  #178 13 Jul 2020 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
please tax us properly

Imagine millionaires having to beg the government to tax them properly for the good of the nation. Goes to show the scale of incompetence at work in the government. Bet none of them are politicians or friends of either are they. Corruption runs deep.
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posting this in here as well as the positive thoughts thread as it was something that came up a wee while back

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/free-nhs-parking-indefinitely?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2020-07-13

Petition to the Government for free NHS staff parking to continue indefinitely.

Not far off the 10,000 mark now...
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   Old Thread  #176 13 Jul 2020 at 5.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Points based, innit! Hoorah!

So let's hope the brexiters who were sick of all those EU migrants cleaning their elderly relatives' bottoms are handy with a sponge.

High earning British lawyers with Polish cleaners will soon be replaced by high earning foreign born lawyers with enough points, and British cleaners. Will that make the brexit lot happy?
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   Old Thread  #175 13 Jul 2020 at 4.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53382818

Care sector shafted again...? It's becoming a habit with this Government...
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Wired Gov.
To be honest I'm not in the mood or in the right setting so I'm baling out again. The Arse have lost and I'm in the company of two Spuds and a fridge full of Hobgoblin. Only really came on here to check out the footy thread.
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   Old Thread  #173 12 Jul 2020 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Suppose they be accused of racism because they only went after the BAME sweat shop owners but ignored the British ones?

Not saying itís right it ignore any of the crimes but thereís going to be British pedo gangs, British sweatshop owners, etc. Which are not being bought to justice too.
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   Old Thread  #172 12 Jul 2020 at 7.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Was that from reading the actual report or from a newspaper columnistís take on it?
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From what I can remember a list of failures.
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   Old Thread  #170 12 Jul 2020 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Did you read the report?
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I was going to bale out but I'm now intrigued. Why was so little done about the Asian grooming/abuse scandal?
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Not sure if this is the right thread but seen as it covers many topics. I mentioned Communism and Cuba a while ago, terrible situation. Watch the Simon Reeve program on Cuba if you are interested , thatís the reality
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If you read the Jay report and others you will find that the blind eye didn't exist to anything like the degree that has been exploited by the usual subjects, if at all. Dog-whistle stuff.

Don't let the evidence get in the way of your thought process though, go for the unsubstantiated rumours.
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People couldn't work cash in hand if dodgy business owners played by employment rules though...

I'm taking a leaf out of your book too and also sodding off.

Have a good day all
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EU workers being exploited don't make me laugh they want to work for cash in hand. Some of you lot really live in a different world.

Anyone want to comment on the comparison to the blind eye taken on the Asian grooming/abuse?
My point being not calling out for fear racism is wrong which was the real point I was trying to make before it was taken off course.
Actually don't bother I've heard enough for today.
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Bit of a double edged sword. The vast majority of these employees wonít be employable in any other job and the company (who contribute whatever tax the accountant canít fiddle) wonít survive on the profit margins paying minimum wage would leave them. So the government are left with X amount of people on the dole (still working cash in hand) and dried up tax revenue.
Not condoning it, but action could technically put more people into deeper poverty than turning a blind eye.
As usual, the poor get poorer

Havenít heard much from Tommy the tit on this, isnít specifically Islam related I suppose
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Read what I wrote again fella. I said EU workers were being exploited. The opposite of me calling them culprits.

My view of the police is that they deal in proof and fact where possible. If a person is suspected guilty, whatever their background, age, gender or favourite bloody tv show, then they will be investigated and if evidence supports it, they will be charged. Saying they don't because they would be accused of being racist is just a cop out (no pun intended).

Besides, there are enough examples of the police doing things on a daily basis that question intent due to racial profiling and that doesn't seem to stop them does it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53359269

and by way of balance - getting it right

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/09/serving-met-police-officer-charged-member-far-right-terror-group-12970013/?ito=push-notification&ci=22142&si=9412819

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The link in your post is chock-full of references to exploitation and the minimum wage. What evidence is there of anyone not wanting to meddle other than that of government not enforcing their own legislation?

The EU workers aren't the culprits, they are being exploited.
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Yeah sorry. Generalising in response to the Patel comment about Police.
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So If the police were fully funded they'd be able to concentrate on such things? No because they'd be accused on racism.

Fully agree with black market labour but surprised you acknowledge that EU's are culprits. I would like to see it stamped out whoever is doing it.


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Just remembered I'm talking to a very limited audience on this thread so I guess we'll never agree
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My point wasn't about minimum wage but something much more general. A culture of not wanting to meddle in certain mis-doings in case they are accused of racism.
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The police arenít the agency that enforce minimum wage legislation.
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Doesn't get much more diverse than round here so clearly that's not a problem for everyone...

Tinhead - pritti Patel making the same suggestion that you did. I still don't buy it tbh. More likely a police force not able to operate effectively after the huge cuts made by her party? Or just ineffective action all round?

And as I said, there are people of all backgrounds being exploited in these places so protecting them could hardly be see as discriminatory. Playing devils advocate - One could suggest that they might have done more if it wasn't BAME workers being exploited....

The important thing is that it's finally addressed and dealt with. Maybe then look at the other areas where business owners knowingly swerve the employment rules. Builders paying EU lads cash in hand so they can pay less and avoid NI etc. Restaurant and take away owners paying way less than minimum wage. There's too much of it about.
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Gaslighting rubbish from the Home Secretary. Minimum wage enforcement is the job of HMRC not the council or police. How many prosecutions have there been for paying under the minimum wage? Why isn't she calling out the Treasury for inaction?

They knew. Even one of their local MPs (Andrew Bridgen) is on record saying the sweatshops are a national disgrace. Many investigations by the media have highlighted the problem to the government. A select committee's recommendations were all refused by government.

She is trying to deflect.
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I am lucky to live in a street that still has that sense of community. local pub with a proper old school feel about it. neighbours who look out for each other. all the kids play out on the field / park out the back. my cat gets fed in at least 2 other houses!

Same as and very nice to. Lots of communitys are now so diverse that its simply not possible for one reason or another...........
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   Old Thread  #154 12 Jul 2020 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A few people and shareholders making a lot of money on the back of modern slavery manufacturing conditions is more likely the reason.
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   Old Thread  #153 12 Jul 2020 at 9.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Regarding Leicester sweatshops

People not calling it out for fear of being called racist. A similar reason to why the Asian grooming/abuse scandal went unnoticed?
This is where trying to be anti racist is wrong.
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   Old Thread  #152 11 Jul 2020 at 7.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Is it me or does anyone else see so much fake news come out of the MAGA camp...which incidentally believe everything is fake news if it doesnít fit their agenda.

Latest one is a protestor that has been left blind in his right eye after taking a direct hit from a tear gas canister from close range. He put a selfie of him in a hospital bed and the photo has been put side by side with a photo taken of him in the street directly after the incident with the caption ďwhich eye?Ē, a claim that itís not real and the eye has changed side in a continuity error.

I donít think they are clever enough to realise a front facing camera on a phone flips the picture
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Convicted by a court of his peers and sentenced to jail Trump steps in and commutes the sentence of his mate Stone. He broke the law but won't face punishment. Banana Republic stuff.
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Firm with links to Gove and Cummings given Covid-19 contract without open tender

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Joe Normal would've done it free.

PPE contracts to pest control firms, millions on a useless app to Cummings' mates.

No wonder they haven't published the Russia Report ... Looks like they've adopted Russian government practices as their model. Crooked *******s.
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   Old Thread  #149 11 Jul 2020 at 5.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree Mal

Gone around me sadly, I suspect other places too
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you make a good point scozza

I am lucky to live in a street that still has that sense of community. local pub with a proper old school feel about it. neighbours who look out for each other. all the kids play out on the field / park out the back. my cat gets fed in at least 2 other houses!

makes a massive difference to your everyday
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Anybody watching the one show?

Something I have discussed with my mates before. Two words. Community spirit, thatís whatís missing

I grew up in a pit village with working men and a pub culture but everybody on the street knew everybody and helped everybody, we were all close. I think we have completely lost it

One show tonight there was a street where the neighbours had ended up sitting outside their houses talking to each other. Straight away, bloke mentions a lad banging everything with his hands, buy him some drums for Christmas, straight away thought he had offended the Asians as they might not celebrate Christmas. Asian woman says, she would not be offended, that was nice

That could be whatís missing, the community bonds, everybody was in it together, no individualism and I think modern communities and house builds donít help this

We donít know or appreciate other communities values
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I'm thinking beach house Jon

Was going to say hut but people might think there is some underlying racial agenda

Need to really think and filter everything we say nowadays
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sod off you two

besides, they're all going to be 'youtubers' and make millions from posting cat videos...
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Once you see them walk out of the door thatís it. Some will swim, some will sink


You must live REALLY close to a canal.

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Hippy with passion. Oh those poor kids
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I reckon he will do a good job, heís a man with a passion, we know that
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Once you see them walk out of the door thatís it. Some will swim, some will sink
None of them will have a chance, the drama queen would've turned them all into snowflakes by then.
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Interesting what you say about kids Mal since you are dealing with all cases on a daily basis I guess. Once you see them walk out of the door thatís it. Some will swim, some will sink

I think leaving education up to the age of 18 minimum for example should be standard for all, possibly school, college course or trade training minimum etc. A couple of years up to 20 would be nice on a cheap labour scheme to get kids employed, gets the kids experience and helps businesses to be competitive by paying a percentage of lower set wages. I think kids going out into the big wide world at 16 is crazy for me, they are still kids.

We need to get our skills up to attract business and provide the skills and quality they are looking for, build in England not Europe for example should be the driver

Itís a bit like the old industrial revolution at the moment, lots of investment into automation, predominantly to reduce the human error element and head count to make them competitive, where as China and others are still big on head count and just exploiting people, paying them peanuts. All the profit is predominantly on reducing labour costs ffs. Not good business at all but if you want to compete...

The skills set will have to change too in the future

There are jobs about, my daughter was doing an accounts course which has fell on its arse. She is working at Tesco the moment order picking, only thing that pisses me off, sheís loving it. Which at the moment fair play but I wouldnít like to think it was a long term option, her choice of course. There are jobs about but whether they pay enough to suit a persons livelihood is the problem sadly
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   Old Thread  #139 9 Jul 2020 at 6.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But 6 months employment looks better on a Cv than 6 months sitting on arse
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I think you know what has to happen. The most important thing is always getting your goods and services to market. That's how economies work. We must get a good economic deal with the EU our biggest market. China has chosen to put the squeeze on us now over Hong Kong, knowing we're gonna be knocking on the door for a trade deal. Guess what'll be top of their agenda? The USA has its own issues and the fallout of foreign and domestic policy of this administration has yet to fully unwind.
Hopefully this government are realists and not idealists.
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True - but pretending that a 6 month work placement is the fix for 16-25 year olds isn't the answer either. I know I sound negative but with so many companies honestly saying that they will need less staff, it's simply a political move... Maybe I'll be proved wrong and all of the placements will turn into jobs?

I wish I did have the answer - any word from Average Joe?
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   Old Thread  #136 9 Jul 2020 at 0.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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we are facing unprecedented challenges and the sh*t that comes with it

I think we all know this. I know a lot of furloughed people and they are ****ting themselves. No good Sunak shrugging his shoulders and announcing there's nothing I can do we are all ****ed.
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   Old Thread  #135 9 Jul 2020 at 0.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I get your point and agree - we could have heard a lot worse today.

I guess my point is that the 'lot worse' that we maybe could / should have heard today is the truth of what the country is facing. It's not pretty and maybe a bit brutal, but maybe it was time to just hold hands up and say 'we are facing unprecedented challenges and the sh*t that comes with it' - rather than use the youth as a distraction / pawns in political shenanigans

And this is from an idealist snowflake who actually likes Sunak!
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So you don't know but at least you admit it.
It's so easy to criticise but not so easy to come up with a solution.
I shall ask my Joe Averages tomorrow to see if they have any ideas

BTW I haven't got the answers but we could have heard a lot worse today IMO.
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some honesty?


sorry - i forgot it's politicians we're dealing with


tinhead - if I had the answer to the impending mass unemployment I could tour the world fixing economies and become a millionaire.
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So what should happen?
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   Old Thread  #131 8 Jul 2020 at 11.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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not sure how you made that leap from what I said tinhead?

a lot of what Sunak has announced today are short term sweeteners. 'Kicking the can down the road'?

The kickstart idea will likely see a lot of companies paying lipservice to providing for young workers, in the same way the recent apprenticeship schemes have. Companies get the funding provided to them from the schemes - maybe even give youngsters a go for a spell after the scheme ends (but not always) - and then when cuts need to be made, it's the same youngster who are first out of the door.

As I said - it's government shifting bodies around to hide the truth of unemployment which is going to have an inevitable rise post lockdown / furlough.
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   Old Thread  #130 8 Jul 2020 at 11.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So what should we do leave people jobless and bring in cheap imported labour?
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   Old Thread  #129 8 Jul 2020 at 11.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I needed the sarcasm smiley....

I'd hate to be a kid leaving school in this climate. They're going to become pawns in the politics of 'recovery'. Shades of some of the worst of the old YTS schemes I think. It's all about shifting numbers so that the 'unemployed' figures don't spike. Call me cynical if you want, but short term plasters over gaping wounds aren't going to work.
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I blame a number of things.
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I blame the parents....




(well - not all of them)
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   Old Thread  #126 8 Jul 2020 at 11.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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For many generations most kids standard of living was an improvement over their parents.
Don't happen so much nowadays.
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Spot on , every generation belittles the next , i'm just glad i'm not a teenager now though as it was hard enough in the 80's , poor sods , buying a house , even getting a job soon , it's going to be tough , young lads i know through cricket are no different than my generation ! give em a brake !

edited so the idiots wouldn't be out breaking kids legs
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That's not news. I think the basic theme of those neolithic cave paintings found in France years ago was more or less "kids of today, they've got no chance".
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Tell you whatís wrong now shall I, with most things, not just education, life, the jilted generation, cyber space kids, they are ****ed

Snowflakes and trolls

Nobody has got a good word for anybody and everybody is a ****. Years ago, letís say the 80ís you would have a fight and sort out your differences, now itís just a complete joke and thatís cyber space for you, he said, she said. Not to mention kids worrying themselves to death, ****ing pathetic. Ganging up and bullying. There will be some SERIOUS psychological problems in the future sadly, itís turning into a crazy world. How long before we canít look each other in the eye and have a conversation without using buttons ffs!!!

Itís wrong
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Amazing really, we get a crisis that will drain our funds and they are trying to get people back to work. Shame they donít look at this any other time

#****ing ****ers
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   Old Thread  #121 8 Jul 2020 at 8.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe reintroduce proper manual apprenticeships in the building trade, with City and guild qualifications at the end.
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That's the sound little piggy makes when he pulls his snout out of the trough
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They will bring back the old yts schemes soon !
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But i think they have to have a permanent position for them on completion.
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Kickstart scheme: 16-24yr olds to be employed with wages paid by government instead of on UC...minimum wage for 25hrs a week. Companies get £1,000 per employee on the scheme.

Sounds good, also sounds a bit like paying to have staff for the companies. Some big firms have signed up to it including barclays and sainsburys.

All well and good unless your 25+ I guess
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No such thing as a free lunch ... but Rishi will give you half (up to a tenner, no booze, in August etc. etc.) still not bad though. Hope it gives the hospitality sector a bit of a boost.
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I know there was one back in 2017 / 2018 but that was sidelined of course. I think it was to scrap ALL charges - for visitors too - and govt said it would be too costly and that NHS would be subsidising people going shopping...

Wouldn't have taken much for someone to suggest the staff only free parking option though would it....?
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We need to flog the private car parking companies in public and show them for what they are.
Hopefully they will concede and drastically reduce the charges to staff and then the government pay those charges.
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It's sickening isn't it!!

Is there a national petition going round yet or not?
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Apologies for the copy and pastes, but it was quicker than typing the same figures out again...

On the NHS parking thing -

From Indeed, the jobs site, on hourly wages for Nursing staff ...

'The average NHS salary ranges from approximately £13,558 per year for Nursing Assistant to £52,846 per year for Clinical Lead Nurse. Average NHS hourly pay ranges from approximately £9.65 per hour for Healthcare Assistant to £60.00 per hour for Registered Nurse.'

From The Independent online ...

'Before the pandemic, NHS staff in England were paying between £1 and £4 an hour for parking outside hospitals. These charges were scrapped in Scotland and Wales in 2008.'

Imagine if you find your self at the extremes of both sets of figures there. Paid £9.65 per hour (before tax / NI etc.) - and then forking out £4 per hour to park. That's disgraceful. Especially in the wider context of the job that nurses do.

And charges were scrapped in Scotland and Wales 12 years ago....

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Loved that little snort at the end. Delightfully Partridge-esque.
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I think parking for visitors should be charged but the funds should go back to the NHS. Its easier to offload things and privateer them as opposed to manage them, our governments over the last few decades have been very good at this

Parking for doctors and nurses should be free though for me, part of their package.
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Charging staff to park is wrong. I hate private parking companies.
Let's hope they do a U turn
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Absolute joke. My missus is NHS and although they get a discount itís still about £7 a shift. £21 a week (3 12hr shifts), £1,092 a year To go to work. All of the salary sacrifice car parks are on waiting lists. Car park ran by a third party that are more than happy to whack a ticket on a car even when they know itís NHS staff.
Hospital sold the parking rights to keep their head above water a few years back.

Our country is ****ed up. Free healthcare but if you want to use it then you have to pay someone else £2.80 an hour.
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Well said. They do a sterling job, we should be proud and assist them wherever we can

Not just when it suits

Nurses are HIGHLY stressed and the workloads are ridiculous and thatís down to all those idiots cutting the costs and reducing the numbers without out some proper thought. Seen it first hand. Itís wrong
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I think Boris got the ball rolling with his comments but ffs - it should just be a lifetime pass for the NHS on parking

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Major govt policy news is released by the Telegraph before Sunak.

NHS staff having free parking cut. I know they stopped the clapping, but didn't realize they'd re-started the shafting.
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as a typical Y10 lad at school might say....

WTAF?

maybe he thinks that Cummings actually stormed Barnard Castle in a Dominic Raab approved Game of Thrones fashion....

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who's running the country ?.

It's not Boris





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Mark Francois. A full to the brim tub of self-parody, telling the chief of the defence staff that Cummings will be over to sort things out.

Another totally normal day.
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i was thinking 'maybe that's why she's his EX sister in law...'

I think the stuff on market stalls and in smaller family business shops is one thing, but for a massive company like Boohoo to be part of the chain on this is the more surprising thing I guess.

nine 0 six - they'd all passed me by. I guess I subconsciously switch off from 'fashion' items. maybe someone could've done something about it all earlier eh?
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It was a joke, I thought you may get excited
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Your right, she started doing it mid nineties and did it for quite a few years!
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did you tell your ex sister in law off?

No. Once tried to finger her though but she wasnít having it
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Chaps this has been going on for years. I lived in Tower Hamlets in the early 2000ís and it was the same there. All these wholesale clothing shops along Mile End Road and surrounding areas, if you looked at them there was a shop front for showing the clothes but above every shop was 3 or 4 floors with all the windows barred and clothing stacked on the window cills. In the summer with the windows open all you could here in the early morning late at night was sewing machines. Iím sure the bars werenít there to protect the stock!
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You're absolutely right that people working in these places are doing it because they need the job / income. In this country and abroad.


And regarding Nike... It's been known for years that they and others have dodgy practices and I can't understand how they are still endorsed by so many. Are they still doing it all as bad as they were? There's a short play called 'Trainers' that I sometimes do with the younger kids at school that explores the whole thing - good for them to get a bit of knowledge about it.


did you tell your ex sister in law off?
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Happens in Bradford and Manchester too

My ex sister in law used to run few market stalls. People in the know go to the high street stores buy one of each garment, drop them off at the sweatshops and they will do identical copies for a fraction of the price, She used to pay about £5 for the equivalent of a £40 Top shop piece for example if buying in bulk and flog them for 1/2 the original price. The people working in them want jobs, blame the bent ****s for opening them and providing the service

Absolutely no different to what other leading "brands" such as Nike are doing in other countries, paying the people absolute peanuts, exporting it and charging us top dollar. Truth be know i bet most of these BLM people would ditch the swoosh and others if they knew the real truth
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2017, C4: "Leicester sweatshops exposed"
2018, FT: "Exploitation in UK garment industry"
2019, BBC: "Leicester...fast fashion sweatshops"
Jan 2020, Guardian: "Alarm over UK fast fashion factories"

Saw this earlier. Damn MSM failing to report things as usual.
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I doubt that as boohoo is joint owned.

I'd imagine their workforce/ supply chain includes BAME workers being exploited too so ....
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Maybe the authorities don't want to be accused of picking on BAME.?

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I was shocked too. Makes a mockery of the 'made in the uk' tag they use when selling the stuff. Primark and the like get a lot of stick for their foreign factories but it's surprising to see it's happening here too.

The clothing industry is appalling in lots of ways. Exploiting workers in terms of pay and conditions. Environmentallly it's terrible. Read a thing about the ecological damage done by making a single pair of jeans.... ridiculous

All so that people can buy a dress or shirt for a fiver every week.
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I found the recent stories about the sweat-shop clothing manufacturers in Leicester really surprising.
I assumed that sort of thing only happened in Asia. Don't these places ever get inspected by Health and Safety or similar? Did everyone know it was happening?
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Altruistic or not
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Fair enough.

Mine will be off to my sister. Not entirely altruistic as I bloody hate high street shopping!

She flippin does deserve it mind.
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The theory is it isn't means tested so for everyone, hence the vouchers. Use them, lose them or pass them on upto you. Makes sense for the struggling High Street to get moving and job retention
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False Widow spiders another example.
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Is that absolutely everyone?

I'm sure there are plenty that don't need it. Like Alan Sugar and the winter fuel payment thing.

And all the mp's of course...
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There are a few cases every year, Iím sure I read that there were a couple of cases in the US within the last fortnight or so but I canít find the article now. Of course, Mongolia is close to China so this one will get loads of coverage.

Remember the ĎSummer of the Sharkí back in 2001. No increase in the amount of shark attacks but there was hysterical coverage up until the 9/11 attacks. It sold papers.

Flat Earth News by Nick Davies and Risk by Dan Gardner are worth reading to see how the news cycle and the inherent human misunderstanding of dangers can escalate what is probably a non-story into a BIG story.

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Phew ..
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Yes but if you believe the MSM didn't they have 30 new strains of Covid 19 three to four weeks ago.

Apparently the plague is now curable but if untreated leads to death, like every symptom of every illness if you search on Google.
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Yikes ...

http://news.sky.com/story/china-suspected-case-of-bubonic-plague-reported-in-inner-mongolia-12022119
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The News:
£500 for every adult and £250 for every child in the UK in High St vouchers. Seems a better idea than paying out dole money as the furlough scheme winds down and job loses go up.
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https://oscar.go.com/news/oscar-history



MOTO?
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Not a single Oscar nomination for the cast of the animated masterpieces they starred in either.
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Damn goats always wanting to change the world order with the trolls.
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thanks man

honestly I'm wasted here sometimes...
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2 were deceptive little *******s and one resorted to mindless thuggery. No attempt to understand a different culture, engage in dialogue about ownership of said bridge, discuss the benefits of a plant based diet or offer themselves for stud to domesticate the species and support any troll children and their possible offspring that may have subsequently starved to death
Troll lives matter ✊🏼
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excellent
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Spoiler alert
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Yep there were 3 actually. Two were smarter than the unfriendly uneducated troll and one was brave. They all lived happily ever after.
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Loved that story when I was a kid.....
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Well there was once a billy goat that wanted to cross the stream via a bridge where a troll lived....... 😘
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Troll away then.
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I'm a bit as well shall we leave them to it?

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Perfectly acceptable on this one IMO
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Why when you can troll this one
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Iím bored already
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Now there's a politics thread how many will lose interest and go back to trolling the other threads?
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Mineís bigger than yours.

*apologies to whoever posted that recently, it was too good to just have the one outing.
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Oh well at least it keeps those with superiority complex happy
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Woo hoo Canít wait 😂😂😂
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This is why we canít have nice things.
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Too late this has become the politics thread and about time to I say

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Well at least we've got another photo of the grinning d*ckwad holding a pint. I was worried we wouldn't see any more of them....

Wonder if Cummings popped into his local in Barnard Castle...


Greekskii- sod that. You can be my chancellor though if you do the Robin Hood thing
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Iíll run the country and you can all shut up.
Now bow before me!
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God forbid Fromage gets into trouble. Certain people are bound to despise Davey for it

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Sounds like a public spirited citizen doing the right thing to me. No bias at all.....

Noj - 'Political thread'
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Fair enough mate. Could be worse, not worth getting irate about. Though weíre all guilty of the same lol
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Was a generalisation and caught you up in this, soz, look at Riot, CV and Brexit then you will understand 😀 all it needs is Wayne and Greenskii to chip in and then itís a full house 😂😂😂l
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That was Noj but the other two examples I gave werenít, I wonít have posts saying Iíve said something I havenít
Iíve given the examples in post 44 mate
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Usual suspects Fishie? Iím hardly ever on here these days, for obvious reasons!
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Post 37 was a copy and paste of your words.

This is a prime example of why there isnít a political thread
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Mate as Mal knows I have had a few angry moments on here, try not to take it to much to heart life is to short 👍🏻
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I tried that Mal earlier on in the thread where i told him that we disagree to a great extent but he then has to try and put words in a post that i clearly havent said, he needs to think before he hits the send button and starts slating people for no reason, he says he's copied my words....sorry but he hasnt and i wont put up with it!
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Well that didnít take long to degenerate into a right/left slanging match the usual suspects on both sides!

Itís a bit late in the day for angry hangovers Or maybe the sun, BBQ and vino was to much

Back to the news Ed ďthe grassĒ Davey must be well proud of himself - a strongly worded letter to the police! Farage is a **** but No one likes a grass
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Come on fellas. Take a breath. Agree to disagree.

This could be a really interesting thread. Ignore each other if you like. I do it at times and it saves on the grey hairs...
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Ok I will be reporting you, where did I say I condone a police state?
And also where did I say I despised Communism, just because you are hiding behind your keyboard which you appear to do a lot of doesnít mean you can dish out lies, you just donít like it when someone stands up for themselves
Youíve already made disparaging comments about the county of Essex probably never having been there, but to be honest you appear to know very little about most things
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Get off your soap box it's a copy of your words. Now go away. As I said I'll leave it there AGAIN.
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Commulism's the future for many, it's the way China and Russia, Vietnam etc have changed from failed communist systems and is a real danger to democracy. Some of the authoritarians on here might like it I suppose.
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Iím warning you now Ocelot if you make a statement about me again saying Iíve said something that I havenít then I will report you to a moderator, youíve done it twice so STOP it now,
If you want me to post the examples I will, I donít mind you quoting stuff Iíve actually posted but I wonít tolerate you posting stuff Iíve said that I havenít....is that clear!
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Nobody rides my motorbikes !

This man explains perfectly why the word communist and socialist get manipulated to suite certain geopolitical agendas

link.




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Agreed.

And it's a shame because it's so easy to do on a daily basis.

I lived in London for 12 years or so and would always try and pass my travel card on to someone after my final journey of the day. You'd think I was trying to French kiss their gran from some of the reactions I got from people!

And I hate those car parks where you have to put your number plate details into the machine so that you cant pass on to others.

Capitalism sucks

Edit - scozza, I wrote a song about that ages back. It won't be cropping up on the listening thread anytime soon, but I liked it

Edit 2 - I called it 'Kalashnikov messiah'

Just in case you were wondering
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David Koresh had a community, or was that a cult
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"COMMUNITY: A group of people living together and practising common ownership"


Yeah best leave it there again.
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Communism has never existed , closest we have seen it is Cuba , but america made sure it could not succeed ,
However , you should look up democratic socialism , the countries that have managed it are now the best countries in the world to live with regard to standard of living , health care , wages and pensions , their schools are also leading the way , and they are the least corrupt politically ! their systems are built on a capitalist system with state ownership of certain things usually , health care , post , gas ,electric etc , railways ! of course it is not perfect , no system is ,and there is a perpetual fight against corruption , one we are loosing at the moment in the uk ! it is possible and over the next few years as people become more aware of it as they analyze their plights it could be possible !
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Itís like I said Mal, there was a lot of that about at the beginning of Lockdown ( apart from the panic buying ) but sadly it evaporated with peoplesís consciences in no time at all, it might yet come back but I agree with you on that, if everyone helped out someone less fortunate than them then the world would be a better place but it doesnít take too much for people to go back to me me me mode👎
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Funny old world, two extremes for me, communism and the democratic world of greed and waste

I went to Cuba a few years ago, not nice to see if Iím honest. Used to chat to the hotel staff as you do, I thought they were on theirs arses due to trade embargoes, no the government. Nobody had a good word for them. I stayed in an iberostar hotel. The government charged them around £1500 per month per employee and then paid the employees absolute peanuts whilst the minority in charge where living in luxury. Was talking to a Gardner, he had qualified as a doctor, everybody can get a good education but then they canít use it, lack of opportunities and the pay structure is kind of flat so they put all that effort in for virtually nothing. Went to Havana for a couple of nights, the poverty is unreal, again, not nice to see. Exploiting people really to the highest level. Think yourself lucky we live in our country. When you see the other side you know how lucky we are. We take a lot of stuff for granted sadly
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They could let the Green mp have the casting vote...

Just an idea....


I think what I'm getting at with community is the sense of 'if I have more then I will help those who have less, or at least not begrudge them that help from others if it is truly needed.

Which isn't communism, and is not capitalism. However.... it's probably a stretch for most supposedly civilised countries....
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I donít despise Communism, I say it doesnít work, find me the sentence where I say I despise Communism

COMMUNISM A theory or system of social organisation in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs

COMMUNITY A group of people living together and practising common ownership

Kind of similar in a basic sense and I did say to Mal I do know what you mean so please Ocelot donít letís get started again as I have no wish to get into a debate with you, clearly you and I disagree to a great extent so letís just leave it there as I would much prefer to have a sensible debate in person rather than keyboard warrior to and fro-ing
I replied to Jon because I thought his post misrepresented the truth
As for community, Iíll tell you what kind of community I like and thatís the one where we all came out at 2000 on a Thursday night to clap for carers when the press were full of admiration for the population reporting how kind we had all become to each other with neighbours helping neighbours........and then a black man was killed by the police in the USA and everything changed back to us vs them, me vs you, black vs White, left vs right.......what a mess!
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party funding would dry up pretty quickly I reckon

@post 30- thatís sort of the idea. They earn their money by thrashing out a compromise that the population benefit from rather than party donors or risk losing their jobs. The finer details might take a while, itís usually something I only contemplate while intoxicated
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There is a slight flaw in that system in that some would be from the left and some from the right, they would then need to vote in changes in Laws etc.... similar to what they do now and you would have to go with the majority....you canít win Noj
There are far too many MPís anyway, we donít need 600 greedy ( not all ) privileged representatives, and as for that lot in the other chamber.....Iíd abolish them straight away and save the country a fortune!
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You despise Communism and say community is essentially the same thing. A couple of typo's?
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I'm in!


Unfortunately it's too sensible an idea for any uk government to support....
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As Iíve said previously, a coalition of ministers voted for independently on personal merit rather than political association would be the ideal situation for me.
You might even see a green with more power than his/her/their Nissan leaf
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Community rather than communism. How about that as an idea?

I think theyíre the same thing essentially Mal but I know what you mean
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George Orwell wrote a good story about it too.

Human nature and pure communism don't mix unfortunately. As a species we appear to have a selfish trait that goes beyond fight or flight / natural selection etc. And teeters over the edge into a real relish in f***ing other people over and enjoying their downfall and misfortune.

Community rather than communism. How about that as an idea?

Actually I really like that. I'm running for election on that ticket. Vote me!
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I don't think anyone apart from you would see it that way. Joe average doesn't agree.
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Yes it's the new excuse everyone can use.
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Precisely what I mean about the rich and powerful Jon, Spanker says Capitalism is self corrupting but as for the alternative, Socialism or god forbid Communism,believe me there is no more a corrupt system than the one in Russia and China, and as for the champagne socialists we have in this country in the Labour Party, if ever there was hypocrisy then itís staring us all in the eyes there!
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Your applied logic makes it the same?
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Craig Murray ,Julian Assange , both being persecuted by the state at the moment !
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Sorry, he sounded pissed and traveled to Greece via Bulgaria against Foreign Office advice and Greek attempts to stop UK residents arriving, but you carry on knowing your place compared to the toffs. They won't thank you for it, but it'll be appreciated.
Support opening 'air bridges' by all means, but as a UK resident, to be taken seriously, don't do so from Greece FFS.
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That's an interesting concept that government and leaders have no influence on the people in the country they govern
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No never heard of Germany is it in East Anglia?
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Jon says Stan was pissed....was he? I watched the clip and he seemed to be advocating opening up an air- bridge between Greece and the U.K., unless I missed something he didnít mention anything about Ďlittle peopleí or the rules not being for Ďpeople of his statureí?I just want people to post stuff thatís true and not to try and embellish what they see for their own purpose, probably why I hate the BBC because they only report half the truth most of the time, why we canít get back to good honest truthful reporting I donít know
Where are the John Pilgerís of todayís journalists?
Great song by the way Sir B👍
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Have you heard of Germany? Apparently their car industry will stop brexit being a complete st1tshow....
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It's all hindsight. Borrowing from the logic used earlier in the Pastor thread when we voted our politicians in we didn't ask them of their knowledge of viruses.

Ooh La La

As I say what's this got to do with Stan's Greece holiday?
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Smack in the gob , behave !

How did nearly every other country mange it , except the ones with populist leaders , coincidence ?
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Does anyone honestly think that just because bo jo Or the tories are in charge that is why we have such a death toll
If you Honestly believe ANYONE could have done any better then you are deluded and you need to give yourself a serious smack in the gob For even thinking it

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It's quickly shifted away from Stan, maybe carry on back on the other thread?

Interesting post Henry
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I tend to agree with what you say about capitalism but what do you replace it with? We all of us are guilty of embracing it, I expect most on here own an iPhone or something similiar, drive a car, take holidays, aspire to own their own home, so please tell me what you replace it with?
Socialism, Marxism, communism donít work, they are corrupt by their very nature as there will always be fat cats and rulers. Humans are greedy and that is the problem, if most people were happy with their lot then it would work ok but the powerful and rich donít help
A little story here, in the late 70ís I spent six months in Israel working on. Kibbutz, in fact I worked on two, one was operated on a communal type of system where the profits were sunk back into the Kibbutz, the other was predominantly cotton growing which is very profitable and was run more as a business. On the first one, one of the jobs I did was working in the Kitchens prepping up food for the communal dining room, we were warned that some of the elderly Kibbutzniks might occasionally pop in and help themselves to bits and pieces and that we were to turn a blind eye to it, basically it was petty pilfering as there was food throughout the day at set times for all of the Kibbutz members, the Kibbutzniks and of course for us, the volunteers, some of them chose not to dine in the dining room and preferred to Ďstealí food and cook at home as they had basic cooking facilities there, I know it appears that I have gone off on a tangent here but what I am trying to say is that these systems always eventually break down because of human nature which to many equals greed and selfishness. So I ask again if you donít want Capitalism what do you replace it with?
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The Don would....

Oh hang on.... he already has
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I know i have mentioned it before , i think we are entering the most important time in this countries history post wwII with the laziest least component leader imaginable , the populist choice , peddled by our , not fit for purpose press , this country needs a huge shake up , as the financial times admitted , capitalism is self corrupting and it needs resetting ,



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More of a comment on RS going on about locking things down while BJ was on holiday than a labour vs conservative thing.

With deaths the worst in Europe bar Belgium, I seriously doubt anyone, left or right, would have done worse than Johnson.
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Stan's a Remainer so it's hard for him to accept a ruling
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I don't think the penny has dropped yet that they didn't elect a leader by voting for Johnson.
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Would that be one Rory 'Opium' Stewart the manspreader?
I'm no fan of Boris but Rory Stewart? come on!
And besides you cant categorically say anyone would have saved more lives, its alright with hindsight and i agree we've done very badly and it has been badly managed, still it could have been a lot worse....it could have been JC....and i dont mean Jesus Christ!
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Wrong

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Maybe this could stop other threads getting dragged off topic by recent developments.

A thread about stuff in the news, that's not been covered by other discussions.

So, https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-53292142/coronavirus-uk-pm-s-father-says-he-hopes-for-air-bridge-with-greece

Pissed up Stanley Johnson explaining why the rules are for the little people, not for those of his stature, or Dom C, obvs.

For those who voted for Johnson as Conservative leader, don't you feel a bit embarrassed by it all? If you'd gone for Rory Stewart there'd be a good few thousand more pensioners alive today.
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