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   Old Thread  #23 1 Jul 2020 at 8.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Love reading your thinking Dean when you are not falling out with somebody over bait lol, brilliant
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   Old Thread  #22 1 Jul 2020 at 7.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well tbh, I'm convinced after doing a winter on a local water and used the same birdfood base with skimmed at 20% and another batch with lamlac at 20%..same swim etc etc and the lamlac massively outdone the skimmed... My conclusion was that the carp liked lamlac more than skimmed milk powder.. Not very scientific but imo conclusive.. Perhaps I should have also added that the lamlac bait also has ground nut oil as well
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   Old Thread  #21 1 Jul 2020 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We all know most foods DO taste better with a decent fat and sugar content
to us, lambs and maybe even carp?

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   Old Thread  #20 1 Jul 2020 at 6.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The obsession I see with some to make virtually fat free baits drives me mad.. Take lamlac vs skimmed milk powder for instance.. One vertically fat free and the other circa 24% and which one does the most damage!! Lol the trypsin inhibitor thing makes me laugh too, a small proportion of the food stuff may be harder to digest but the rest is still utilised with gusto. It's the old, what gets said by someone becomes gospel thing..
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   Old Thread  #19 30 Jun 2020 at 8.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good point.

What's useful doesn't also need to be attractive.
What's attractive doesn't also need to be useful.

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   Old Thread  #18 30 Jun 2020 at 7.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Lincs.

It is something that baffles me, how the need to emulsify, which incidently just makes smaller drops and the fixation on emitting fats from baits as the weather cools As previously mentioned the energy from fats is a far superior source as opposed to carbs. Incidentally my best 3 winters and i am talking over 70 winter fish, have come to heavy baiting with fishmeals. The addition of Wheatgerm alone is enough to help with digestion. A few enzymes thrown in will also make nutrients more readily available to the fish on first transit. All the talk about Trypsin inhibitors means what exactly? That a carp can't digest things? No, merely slow the process down just a little. Still, it sounds intelligent and people might think you now what your talking about eh? lol.

Lipids, fats, call them what you will are instinctively sought after. The circle of natural life within any body of water and the addition of anglers baits address that balance perfectly. Only man made over stocked holes in the ground will suffer any deficiences of a particular nutrient hence, in these circumstances the banning of nuts. Rightly or wrongly.
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   Old Thread  #17 28 Jun 2020 at 12.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good post Dean and I totally agree. Energy is everything in terms of food, without it we cant process other functions.
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   Old Thread  #16 27 Jun 2020 at 9.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good point on the halibut pellets.

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   Old Thread  #15 27 Jun 2020 at 5.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I've always thought that fat / lipids were ok in the summer but act as a binder in cold water. For me attraction has to be the first imperative. Nutrition is a secondary element of a good bait. Catch them first. Feed them second.
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   Old Thread  #14 27 Jun 2020 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There already is a ‘high fat boilie’, a large halibut pellet. Spodded out by the bucket load in some lakes.

But boilies, especially decent quality ones, because they cost more, people think 🤔 before chucking loads in.

Oils and fats used sensibly in baits can be attractive, tasty, and useful. and help utilise protein digestion more effectively.
It is a balancing act, like most things, to achieve your desired end result in your own angling or bait making.

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   Old Thread  #13 27 Jun 2020 at 4.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for the reply Scaley. Yes indeed, any fat not utilised as energy would be stored as fat within the fish. It would therefore be quite worrying if a commercial “high fat” boilie was released for Joe Bloggs and his mates to purchase and deploy kgs into waters. However, a home bait maker has the option to quite easily produce a high fat boilie. Such could be used in moderation with fish welfare in mind, and potentially provide some degree of edge.



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   Old Thread  #12 27 Jun 2020 at 7.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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With Nuts you cannot change their crunchy texture and oil content which is their biggest asset.

TBH the biggest benefit with boilies is that you can adjust it to be, higher protein, more soluble, soft or firm or like rock hard, whatever you want it to be.
A lower fat boilie diet is better long term for our carp.

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   Old Thread  #11 26 Jun 2020 at 11.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If high fat nuts are so effective, why worry too much about keeping boilie fat contents so low?

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   Old Thread  #10 26 Jun 2020 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I feel your pain Dean.
It is bad enough getting a 1 egg mix or a 1lb trial mix of mine wrong,

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   Old Thread  #9 26 Jun 2020 at 8.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Also be mindful that the nuts are roasted before being ground which will remove a small amount of oil and improve flavour.

Oh yes Darren, i know exactly what you are talking about with those mixes.
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