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   Old Thread  #679 22 Jun 2020 at 1.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The universal suffrage type. You?
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   Old Thread  #678 22 Jun 2020 at 0.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Depends on how desperate I was to flee a country. My main concern in that position would be to keep safe rather than illegally travel 1000's of miles to cherry pick the UK
Sorry but I think a good proportion are not genuine asylum seekers and could be economic migrants.
I know others may have differing views but I really must be going to bed soon.
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   Old Thread  #677 22 Jun 2020 at 0.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I politely say don't think we're going to agree on much here.
Point 1 seems to suggest they come here for revenge. Maybe that's true but we must try to protect ourselves from such people.
Point 2 and 3 can be overcome by toughening our welfare systems so only the genuinely needy get benefits and those who are not genuine asylum seekers get nothing except refused entry. And those that are genuine asylum are treated fairly but not given preferential treatment over and above our own needy people. You may argue that doesn't happen but that's the perception of many and if true needs addressing.
Point 4. Sounds to me a country that takes pride in itself which is only natural but to be honest I hear more people saying we're **** and getting worse rather than saying we're great.
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   Old Thread  #676 22 Jun 2020 at 0.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What if they speak better English than German or French or Greek or Italian? What if they have familial ties here that would enable them to better carve out a new life for themselves as they escape whatever horrors they have been forced to leave?

If I had to leave here I’d be trying to go somewhere I’d feel most comfortable I’d be able to rebuild and contribute, wouldn’t you?
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   Old Thread  #675 22 Jun 2020 at 0.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Got to remember that 1. They see Britain as part of the reason they are seeking asylum so they’ll come here to get back that which was destroyed by us 2. Half the countries they passed through end up in Britain looking for a better quality of life and earning potential, 3. They see what refugees get here compared to other countries and 4. British people make the rod for their own back claiming “we are the greatest country in the world”... well if you don’t have anything anymore, where are you going go start a new life... the “greatest country in the world” seems a logical option.
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   Old Thread  #674 22 Jun 2020 at 0.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes but risking life and limb to make the crossing to here can't be right when they've travelled through umpteen safe countries is the view of many.

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No copy and paste.
Well that's ****ed it for a few on here hasn't it
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   Old Thread  #673 21 Jun 2020 at 11.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Well....

There are lots of similar things being said and some interesting points tonight.

Some things to ponder maybe....

Our repeated bombing and support of civil wars within other countries adds to the numbers of those seeking asylum which then becomes a 'problem' for some. Closing our borders to those who need asylum as a result of our direct / indirect action, or our turning a blind eye / inaction is just plain ****ty.

Our interventions cited as fighting for democracy are - it would seem - carefully chosen depending on oil reserves, business contracts for infrastructure rebuilds and the supported appointment of sympathetic new regimes.

We have saved some people from dictatorship

But not always picked up our mess after ourselves

Democracy is easily exploited by those in power.



2000 words on the topic of your choice. No copy and paste. On my desk first thing Friday please.

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   Old Thread  #672 21 Jun 2020 at 11.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So under international law we are not neighbours of troubled countries so not obliged to take asylum seekers

There is no requirement under the UN Refugee Convention (the applicable law) for those seeking refuge to claim asylum in the first safe country they enter.
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   Old Thread  #671 21 Jun 2020 at 11.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Freedom of movement means no border checks?

Anyway the point I was trying to make is I'm all for a share of genuine asylum seekers if it's fair.
I think I see what Gregskii is trying to get at this time. Some countries try to make changes and make mistakes and some countries do **** all. There's a saying do **** all and you'll never do anything wrong. TBH I'd prefer ii if we were one of the countries but we are not. So under international law we are not neighbours of troubled countries so not obliged to take asylum seekers but as I say I'm happy for us to take a fair share.
The world is not fair. I'm sure most of us want it to be but our differing views mean we may not be able to agree what is fair.
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   Old Thread  #670 21 Jun 2020 at 11.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I see what you mean now.
Problem with all our political parties is that they'd rather try to score points off each other rather than actually do what's best. Much of the public already sees this and many of the rest are beginning to see it as well. A good election strategy could be to rise above the point scoring and personal attacks. Politics is just as much to do with personalities nowadays, come across as the good guy who doesn't bitch and you may be onto a winner?
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Maybe that's more hopeful thinking than reality
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   Old Thread  #669 21 Jun 2020 at 11.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's not 'freedom of movement', it's 'lack of border checks between some EU states'. Two very different things.
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   Old Thread  #668 21 Jun 2020 at 11.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I’ve always believed that the countries which do the damage should take the refugees. Out of the EU there is no obligation to house them. EU countries have taken plenty of refugees, especially Syrians. Germany, France, etc. They should be shipped to America as it’s them doing the most damage yet they take none... great set up that is. We bomb them and you take the people that survive.
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   Old Thread  #667 21 Jun 2020 at 11.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was more general than brexit. Lib Dem student fees promises, etc. But yes the suspension of parliament was still unlawful, if the government acts illegally it’s not a democracy is it.
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   Old Thread  #666 21 Jun 2020 at 11.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The kind where you vote for things based on party manifestos only for none of it to actually be realised or the opposite happens
We voted to leave the EU but parliament stifled it so to try and get things moving and try and give the people what they voted for they tried to suspend parliament. Maybe not lawful but the people of this country weren't bothered they were so sick and tired of it many lent their votes to the Conservatives to try and break the stalemate.
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   Old Thread  #665 21 Jun 2020 at 11.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Those seeking asylum are illegal all the way across Europe the apply for asylum here,
Yes I get that but it's the free movement that allows them to go where they want once they enter the EU illegally.
Even when we're totally out of the EU the problem will still be there so I understand leaving the EU wont cure the problem. The problem is the illegals gaining entry into the EU and going where they want.
True asylum seekers would be so desperate that they'd settle in any country that was safe.
Too late now but when we was in the EU each country should've taken a fair share of genuine asylum seekers.
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