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   Old Thread  #718 22 Jun 2020 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
We should set up a secret task force to execute on sight any adult wearing a tracksuit that isnít running and those carrying a man bag. Prisoners get a pack of seeds, a tent and a corner of a remote Scottish island; thrive or die, develop the land prisons are on. A&E admissions due to drink get euthanised and sent to landfill. Make class A drugs legal and free with 2l syringes. Fathers not paying child support neutered. Unemployed people with dogs they canít feed are canned and fed to said dog. Those on benefits are given a dynamo exercise bike and must generate a daily quota of electricity for the national grid or be executed along with the tracksuit ****s. Controversial, but itíll save a few bob; the man bag mob disappearing is just a hidden sweetener I slipped in
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   Old Thread  #717 22 Jun 2020 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting point that. If thatís the case then, donít ever come moaning they have a crap life

Edit for your edit.

I used that as an example. Accept what you get or do something about it. Choices, there are lots in this free country of ours, if you want to take them of course. If you donít, accept what you get
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   Old Thread  #716 22 Jun 2020 at 7.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That some people take more out of society than they put in, while having a pretty crap life? Yep, not worth worrying about as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't swap places with them.

Tax dodgers who get away with millions ... Now they're worth getting upset about.

Scozza, you do come across as disproportionately frustrated by ex goat herds who are unwilling to retrain, but perhaps you weren't moaning.
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   Old Thread  #715 22 Jun 2020 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Again like I said Afghanistan is one of the most corrupt political systems in the world since we ďexported democracyĒ to them. Iraq one of the most politically unstable since we ďexported democracyĒ to them. Why is that something to be proud of? Why is going to Libya something to be proud of when it was found that it was all based on lies...again...like Iraq. If you find pride in those things then thatís up to you but Iíd have thought it would be more of a proud thing to have established a working, actually democratic democracy, not a corrupt one. Then again as Iíve already said, the democracy in Britain isnít even democratic so canít blame them if we exported this system to them. Probably taught them how to be corrupt too.

Looking at ex soviet countries the population that have lived under both soviet and democratic rule will tell you that when it was soviet at least they had something. Now they have nothing because once again itís corrupt to the eyeballs. But I guess we were at the forefront of making it like that for those countries too.

If Britain is ďat the forefront of exporting democracyĒ then why havenít they to places like China and North Korea? Thatís what I want to know because as you think that Britain is the worlds saviour why havenít they gone and saved those people?

Iíll make the point, in which you seem to be mistaken and hung up on, Iím not against democracy as a way to govern an country. I just donít see how murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people to install democracy in a country is something to be proud of.
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   Old Thread  #714 22 Jun 2020 at 7.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No moaning for me Jon. Itís a thread for public discussions. If I didnít want to comment I wouldnít

People have their views, mine are below

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   Old Thread  #713 22 Jun 2020 at 7.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When you say we shouldn't moan about are you saying we should just accept it without question?
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   Old Thread  #712 22 Jun 2020 at 6.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's always been like that, always will be. Chances are that brexit will mean fewer EU folk picking your sprouts and more people from other countries who will want the right to come to the Uk in exchange for some trade deal.

No point moaning about it. Some people take the piss, others are a bit daft. Pay your taxes and move on... Otherwise you just get stuck in a cycle of who's more worthy of your anger. Is it the workshy dole scrounger on a couple of hundred quid or the bloke costing the system thousands for treatment for cancer caused by smoking? How about those in car crashes who were speeding? Fatties, drinkers, people who never exercise?
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   Old Thread  #711 22 Jun 2020 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We've established that democracies very rarely go to war with each other, an extremely good thing. Other major competing ideologies. Monarchy, aristocracy and oligarchy have generally be confined to the rubbish bin of history. Fascism had a go and was smashed by democracies and communist countries. Russian Communism was confronted by democracies over the long term and the Soviet Union collapsed. Over half the world's population live under democratic institutions, again a very good thing. All of the ideologies mentioned above fought against democracy and failed. Britain has always been at the forefront of conflicts with competing ideologies due to our historical position in the world, exporting democracy I'd say, forcing onto you say.
Like I say how many democracies have gone back to the other options?
That's something to be proud of I'd say.
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   Old Thread  #710 22 Jun 2020 at 6.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No, Iím saying there are foreign workers in the U.K.doing the jobs that people in the U.K. donít want to, English, foreigners, you name it

What do you think about U-turn number 318 last week giving poor kids food during the summer?

Saw it in the news, didnít think much about it, what do you want me to say Jon, itís wrong or right?
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   Old Thread  #709 22 Jun 2020 at 6.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So you're saying there are foreign workers in the UK because other foreigners can't be bothered to do anything because they get everything free?

What do you think about U-turn number 318 last week giving poor kids food during the summer?
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   Old Thread  #708 22 Jun 2020 at 6.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I say it how I see it Bob, itís a frustrating situation.

It all goes back to social status for me and the will to get of their arses and do something other than complain, blame others and the ďsystemĒ nothing comes on plate, you have to fight a little along the way. Thatís if you REALLY want it of course

We are at an advantage since we get a free education in this country for starters, if you want to participate that is! and that is If! And this is a major problem for me. The if!

Wonder how many of these complainers got on at school. Some may not have a natural talent for it but we all can have a will and an urge to want a job but more importantly be able to hold a job down through presenting ourselves in a decent manner and communicating well with others helps for starters. Thereís a problem for you for starters, attitudes

And while ever qualifications dictate jobs, which dictates the salaries which in turn dictates your livelihood donít expect **** all unless you participate and try your best. Otherwise, you get what you get, wrong or right, thatís the reality

So mr X. You used to be a goat herder, what qualifications have you got, ur, mmmm, none. OK, you could look at a hands on roles such as a waiter, a cleaner or a cabbage picker etc? **** that I can sit around on my arse all day

How about trying to improve your education, language or some training to make you more employable. **** that, a cant be bovered

And thatís why there are foreign workers in this country doing their jobs, the jobs that they do not want
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   Old Thread  #707 22 Jun 2020 at 5.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I donate enough in tax as it is, like most, and I will be totally honest, I would happily donate more if i knew it was going to the right causes, the people that are genuinely unfortunate due to their personal circumstances and they cannot work, not a problem. I wouldnít pay **** all for another bunch of spongers though

What happens when the balance changes in the future, and it will, manufacturing has gone down the pan, whatís next, there will be more unemployed unfortunately and the number of spongers is going up. It will become an unsustainable situation thatís what will happen so they had better act now before we are paying 50% tax. BLM, we want houses and jobs. Good luck, wonít we all!
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   Old Thread  #706 22 Jun 2020 at 4.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have not got a problem if they are genuine,


I got to say Scoz I agree with much of what you say and I reckon there's quite a few others on this forum that would say something similar but they tend not to come on this thread and prefer to just let the ones that do come on here argue amongst themselves.
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   Old Thread  #705 22 Jun 2020 at 4.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We already spend trillions destroying their countries so why not spend some more trillions giving them a life back.

But seriously people should be made to work unless they have paid their taxes and have a genuine reason to be on unemployment. My mums a retired teacher and some of the kids she taught were from dole dosser families. Their parents had drilled the ambition of getting a free house and everything on the taxpayer by getting pregnant at 15-16 years old. No aspirations to do anything with themselves but that. Best to look at home rather than complain about refugees tbh. At least they go through hell to try and get a better life courtesy of the UK taxpayer. Not when their is BRITISH nationals who have a sole intent to be a dole dosser for life. They know all the legalities and loop holes to get the maximum of everything.
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   Old Thread  #704 22 Jun 2020 at 4.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wrong side of bed, no. You just annoy me with some of your comments

What % are Syrians that are over here?

I would like to know the percentage intake over the last few years!

If you watched the documentary I did there is a massive percentage of Africans, paying an absolute premium to the human traffickers to get here, and Europe, nothing to do with a genuine cause. Have you watched the news, did you see what was happening at the channel tunnel and still is. My brother in law comes through there regular, complete mess. I wouldnít want that rabble living down the road from me, you can see how they perform, horrible people some of them!

I have not got a problem if they are genuine, like I have said below, proving they make a contribution to this country, otherwise, if they do not, they are nothing more than dead wood who are another drain on our resources and a kick in the bollox for everybody who goes to work, gives it their all and help to make this country tick over with their tax deductions

And before you say anything. Yes, if they are genuine and over here then we should do our best to integrate them into our society. What do you think we are going to do, spend trillions investing in everyone that enters the country!

I think you are a lot naive at times Mal, not just a bit

Edit, forgot to mention. I agree, there are a lot of spongers over here and I wish they would bring a policy out to deal with them. I.e, if they are capable of working, letís get them working to earn their giros. This way, all those banging on about immigrants taking there jobs would not have a leg to stand on because there wouldnít be any jobs at their pay grade for the immigrants, or shall we say foreign workers. The giro people would be doing them. That would give Tommy Robinson and his bunch of muppets something to think about
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