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   Old Thread  #1482 4 Aug 2020 at 7.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or at least since you first saw it a couple of months back on a YouTube video eh?

Of course you don't like that word. It starts with U and you only think about 'me'....

Tinhead - you have made your point and I guess the big difference for black young men is that it's probably a consideration whereas for young white men it's possibly. ... as you have said to be fair.
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   Old Thread  #1481 4 Aug 2020 at 6.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Utopia.......been saying it for a while Bob........
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   Old Thread  #1480 4 Aug 2020 at 5.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sounds to me that you think we all live a perfect world where everything is fair, I wish for that world but sadly in my experience it doesnít happen.
Unfortunately if you are young travel 1st Class, or drive an expensive car you are more likely to be questioned.
If you are young wear a hoody, hang around street corners, walk the streets in the middle of night especially carrying a holdall , wear clothes with expletives blazoned on them, avoid eye contact or generally act strangely or arrogantly etc etc then you are more likely to get stopped, the older you get the less it happens.
If you are young and black then I accept this might happen more, Danny Rose has only just turned 30 which to an older person is still young and being an athlete he looks younger but itís not exclusive to blacks it can happen to young whites as well.
What I find hard to believe is a ticket inspector not checking everyoneís ticket, Iíve never been on a train where an inspector has not asked to see my ticket, they ask everyone, absolutely without question everyone. I will speculate and say maybe if you tell someone how to do their job you will not get the response you were after.


Not much more I can say so maybe this will be my last post on the matter.




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   Old Thread  #1479 4 Aug 2020 at 4.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
For those interested in a different perspective maybe...

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-talk

On channel 4 tonight. The discussions that black parents have with their children in the UK today.

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   Old Thread  #1478 4 Aug 2020 at 3.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But it didnít in his case and he was singled out for a ticket inspection.

What sort of white person could it apply to? Do rich white kids get the same treatment? I know Iíve never been singled out for a ticket inspection in first class travel and Donít Ďfit iní with the ďtypical first class travellerĒ

Also, why is this a thing, anyone from anywhere is allowed to buy a first class ticket, there is no dress code, so no one should be singled out for any reason. The fact you are declaring that if youíre not dressed smartly you arenít likely to be a first class traveller is ridiculous.
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   Old Thread  #1477 4 Aug 2020 at 1.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It needs to have burning crosses, white hoods and recorded racial slurs for Slow Bob to believe and rate as a good one, you must get that.
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   Old Thread  #1476 4 Aug 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No what I saying was that the Independent article wasn't a particularly good one.

That article could've applied to a young white man.
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   Old Thread  #1475 4 Aug 2020 at 1.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So youíve assumed something to justify it wasnít a racist incident.
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   Old Thread  #1474 4 Aug 2020 at 12.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And then someone would add a 'ah but....'

That's because for every response their is a counter response and you do not like it.

Nobody is denying racism does not happen, its there, what are we going to do about it?

And like already mentioned, yes, its people, and that's all colours too
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   Old Thread  #1473 4 Aug 2020 at 11.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But it clearly says he was asked for a ticket and two white passengers werenít. Why only him?
Most people who travel 1st Class are usually older business types and I assume the two white passengers fit that category. Younger casually dressed people whatever their colour who wouldn't normally travel 1st class would be asked to produce a ticket.
If the two white people were of a similar age to Danny, dressed casually and were not singled out then that would be racism.
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   Old Thread  #1472 4 Aug 2020 at 10.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But it clearly says he was asked for a ticket and two white passengers werenít. Why only him?
Your point is valid but in relation to Danny Rose and the article it isnít because it literally proves that it was racist...whatís stopping you accepting that?
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   Old Thread  #1471 4 Aug 2020 at 10.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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otherwise all drivers of big cars would be pulled over wouldn't they?

But young white men with expensive cars get pulled over Mal.
A black family man, wife and two kids shouldn't get pulled over without good reason otherwise it's racism
The point I continue to make is I don't think the two examples in that article are particularly good.
Same as the train a young white man travelling in 1st Class will be asked to produce a ticket.
Personally I think all tickets should be checked but if the only one on the train to be checked is a middle aged black man dressed as a business man then that would be racist.
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   Old Thread  #1470 4 Aug 2020 at 10.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Some of this is just laughable- or at least it would be if it wasn't so bloody pathetic.

Racism happens everywhere and always will because it's people. .....

Yes. That's the problem that needs to be addressed.

Slavery used to happen everywhere because it was done by people.

Child trafficking happens everywhere because it's done by people.

The abuse of women happens everywhere because it's done by people.


There are people on here who get more wound up about a bloke 'cheating' to catch a fish than they do about the systematic racism in this country. Like I said. It's pathetic.

It's not acceptable for black men to be pulled over because they are black. End of. If he's in a big car it's still not acceptable because he's being pulled over because of his skin colour, not because of the car - otherwise all drivers of big cars would be pulled over wouldn't they? Saying that they are 'involved in crime' is simply part of the systematic race issue. White men are involved in crime too or didn't you notice that? The stop and search / arrests / convictions are DIsproportionally high amongst black men. It's systematic racism within the police and it has been and is being investigated.

Do you think the police don't know who your local dealers are? If you can work it out, then do you really think they are so inept not to have ffs?

Greekskii calls it right. If your attitude to it is that it happens all the time so just get on with it, then you're accepting it. If you don't challenge it, then you're accepting it.

I knew someone would bring up the Wiley thing. He's an idiot and was rightly banned from twitter or whatever. It doesn't make all black men racist because he said what he did - but we all know that. Would you like to be prejudged because of the actions of an idiot white bloke? Of course you wouldn't.

And don't give it the 'it doesn't happen around me' either. Just look at the thread that goose started yesterday that had about 30 views before I challenged it. That's 30 people who thought it was fine to let it go unchallenged.

Like I posted to greekskii- I could put an example of systematic racism on this thread every day. And then someone would add a 'ah but....' response. Not acceptable.







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   Old Thread  #1469 4 Aug 2020 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, youíre right it happens to everyone. But that doesnít justify it as being acceptable.

No one is looking for blame, just the reasons why people are racist and why others find it acceptable to allow it to happen. Sort one or both out and all will be hunky dory. If people dont find it acceptable to be racist anymore then it alienates the racists at any level and society starts to change. But like you, there are those that wonít change their opinion that itís fine to be racist because racism exists everywhere. Instead of being part of societal change to call out racism and create change.

In terms of Danny rose, the police are to blame as they are the one pulling him over for no reason repeatedly. And the train conductor.
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   Old Thread  #1468 4 Aug 2020 at 8.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The problem is, where did that young person get the money to buy that nice car? Round my way there are a few young undesirables rolling round it shiny new mercs and audis, did they buy them with their dole money? Nope. How about a gift from parents etc? Nope. How about selling crack and smack to all the other little scumbags about.... Yep that's it.
And racism is everywhere, has been and always will be unfortunately. Back in my school days my upper school had a high % of Muslim students and in all honesty most were OK, but the most blatant racists were Muslim kids, and they used to play the racism card because they knew that they'd get away with it.
There will always be racism as long as there are people on this planet
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