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   Old Thread  #208 7 Jun 2020 at 5.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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why not take a couple of days to read into the history and full context of the word?

It is derogatory. That is the fact.

don't need a high horse to be above using that word

when I asked the mods to look at it, I made a point of saying that your context in the post wasn't an attack or aggressive in nature.



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   Old Thread  #207 7 Jun 2020 at 5.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The same Jim
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   Old Thread  #206 7 Jun 2020 at 5.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Spanker,

I'm not sure what you mean?
If you are inferring that I copied it from Mary Walters, then you are wrong.
I wrote that as a précis from the info from the U tube vid.
I've never read Mary Walters or knew of her until you spoke of her.
Nice try though.

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   Old Thread  #205 7 Jun 2020 at 5.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I find it impossible to read without hearing Phil Daniels speaking the words and then me in my head chanting Parklife 😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #204 7 Jun 2020 at 5.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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utter genius
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   Old Thread  #203 7 Jun 2020 at 5.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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One thing I will agree with you on and that’s nineosix’s parklife post, easily the best thing I’ve read on this forum and worthy of best post award at the end of the year 😂😂😂
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   Old Thread  #202 7 Jun 2020 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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maybe it's more than that Jim

It's important that this is different than before - we EXPECT places with a large Black community to march / protest etc. But if places with a predominantly white community can physically show support then that message gets out. Maybe it's the start for some of them to become more pro-active.

Most - if not all - rallies / protests are a case of speaking to the converted - unless opposition groups / individuals etc. decide to go along to make a point. That's just the nature of the beast.

How easy would it have been for those who attended to say ' well we only have a few 'ethnic minorities' here so it doesn't really affect us'? It is part of a bigger picture sending a positive message - and the fact that it was peaceful, even more so.
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   Old Thread  #201 7 Jun 2020 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Twice you've referenced Obama in the last 2 post's. As a self advertised student of US politics, you'll understand the significance of 6 of those 8 year's being served with a Republican majority in Congress. You'll no doubt know also during those 6 year's, it's one of the lowest periods of bills being passed and signed in any modern US administration. So you'll know about the bills and acts that failed to get to the president's desk to sign into law, blocked by......
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   Old Thread  #200 7 Jun 2020 at 5.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Seeing the bloke who jumps on every criticism, piss-take or sarcastic comment as a chance to cry ‘abuse’ in the hope of getting a bit of sympathy cite black Americans’ ‘perceived victimhood’ as a cause of their problems has just broken my irony-meter.
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   Old Thread  #199 7 Jun 2020 at 5.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You will find that the word used way back in post 119 has now been added to the blocked list on carp forum.
For this simple but important action, I thank the 2 mods who sorted it. If you now feel aggrieved that you can't use that word on carp forum, then I suggest you ask yourself why it's so important for you to say it. It's a vile word with a historical context that offers no positive reason for you to use it.
The choice by some (not all) black


Get off your high horse. It was used in the context of what some of them call each other. Not, derogatory, Fact!

I like the “your not part of the solution” points

What should we do then?

Possibly take a couple of days out before providing a non emotional response?

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   Old Thread  #198 7 Jun 2020 at 5.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I saw on FB today that they were holding a BLM peaceful demo in our local park at the war memorial, three things I wondered, why are they meeting at the war memorial given the recent photos and news coverage of the recent atrocities to the cenotaph etc....why Hastings ? we have a lower than average ethnicity in the town and who are they demonstrating to ?
Well I’ve just seen the photos on FB and thankfully it was peaceful, and all kept to safe distancing and from what I gather no one urinated up our war memorial, but the photos showed a crowd of a couple of hundred largely consisting of white middle class and student types with the odd ethnic minority dotted about, and it seems to me it was just folk taking the Mike and giving there views to a crowd who all agreed with their views anyway... I just can’t see what the point of it was ... their anger and displeasure was certainly not aimed at anyone there to listen to it, and I expect the local paper sent a photographer along but there was certainly no film crew to broadcast their message to the hordes.... just a bunch of Liberals who for their own benefit had to be seen to be doing something to the cause
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   Old Thread  #197 7 Jun 2020 at 5.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Cleansing ones past , right or wrong ? Rhodes next ?

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   Old Thread  #196 7 Jun 2020 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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this was the second paragraph in your post written by Mary C Walters in 1994 , copy and paste it

A study has been made between US blacks and immigrant blacks from the Carribbean. 2nd generation Carribbean kids can't be distinguished from US black kids because they both speak with the same accent.
They both tend to live in their own close knit communities and are equally subject to any supposed racism.
The study shows that Carribbean kids do far better in education, go on to get good jobs, many in professions, and earn a far higher income. A lot of this difference is attributed to two parent families teaching discipline and respect and a work ethic to their kids. Asian kids success in education is off the charts and is attributed to family work ethic.
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   Old Thread  #195 7 Jun 2020 at 4.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So...

I have avoided this for a while - largely because if I wanted to listen to white men try to find reasons why racism doesn't exist / isn't a problem / is 'perceived victimhood' / and so on and so on... then I could just join the NF / BNP and go to one of their meetings.

Also, I found myself getting emotional - which is fine because there are people in my world who I care about who are directly affected by this each day. So I got pissy...

However - there are small positives everywhere.

You will find that the word used way back in post 119 has now been added to the blocked list on carp forum.
For this simple but important action, I thank the 2 mods who sorted it. If you now feel aggrieved that you can't use that word on carp forum, then I suggest you ask yourself why it's so important for you to say it. It's a vile word with a historical context that offers no positive reason for you to use it.
The choice by some (not all) black men and women to use that word as a way of 'reclaiming' it, is not yours to judge. Sorry.

Denying that racism and racial inequality and racial oppression exist, doesn't make it true.

If finding someone 'intelligent' who says racism isn't a problem helps you to justify your own position of denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If saying that some people are just born that way helps your denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If you choose to focus on the idiots that use events as an excuse for civil unrest, rather than the many thousands more who have protested peacefully and respectfully to help your denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If you are trying to find any excuse / ideology / mythology / ridiculous comparison / 'well what about...' type argument, to help your denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If you think saying 'well I'm not a racist' is enough then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

There are intelligent, empathetic, emotionally aware people on this forum. I hope and pray that this could be a real moment for positive change in our society. I encourage you to be part of the solution. You don't need to march / protest. But you can do something rather than simply not doing. As Greekskii said, you can challenge racist comments rather than ignore them because not saying anything is not enough if you really want a world without racism.

Tinhead i would gladly have a pint with you - and you wouldn't want to kill me because I'm a nice man.
Spanker / Jon / Jimmy / Ocelot etc. - Likewise.
Scozza - same - although if you drop the 'N' word then I might pour it over your head...
BB - maybe a half if we both promise not to talk... (that's a joke - please take it that way)
Greekskii - I don't know what you got banned for in the past but don't do it again because your voice on here is important.
nineosix - 'Parklife' - the single funniest thing I have read on Carp Forum - ever!
I'd like to thank my agent for giving me this opportunity and the director for making such a wonderful film..

Silliness aside - ask yourself what it is that stops you from saying, and believing,

Black Lives Matter

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   Old Thread  #194 7 Jun 2020 at 4.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Spanker,

The info you refer to came from a U tube vid from Oct 2018, the Rubin Report entitled The Myth of Systemic Racism with the black commentator Coleman Hughes.
The info and stats he gives, come from the research of Dr. Thomas Sowell, and from the Columbian Uni professor of sociology Van Tran and the Harvard Uni professor of sociology Ethan Fosse.
In fact, part of the page you copied agrees with the piece I wrote.

The literature on the second generation, including some of my own writing, has stressed the cultural and structural strengths of immigrants and their children and how they are able to overcome barriers which have cursed some native minorities in the U.S

Agreed, she refers to racism, but that was written 23 years ago and race relations have improved in time in the US.
The point remains that 2nd generation Carribbean kids do far better than their black US counterparts and the main reason is good family structure and work ethic.
The main problems that inner city black communities face is familial, social and bad schools.
And Trump has implemented the policies I outlined, to improve poor communities, which is far more than Obama ever did for his community.

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