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   Old Thread  #288 8 Jun 2020 at 3.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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906, I don't quite get the analogy, comparing a relic of our historical colonial past with a predatory deceitful paedophile doesn't make any sense to me but if you can see it then fair enough
What Colston did was wrong but it was acceptable through that period of time, and the statue being pulled down should have been done through a democratic vote, i'm sure the people of Bristol would have voted for its removal
I don't quite know where JS fits into this but i'm sure we would all be in agreement that we would prefer to forget him, regardless of his charitable work, personally I found him repulsive and completely weird whilst he was alive and long may he rot where ever he is!
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   Old Thread  #287 8 Jun 2020 at 3.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Greekskii,

That is exactly the identity politics driven by the far left, particularly in the US that blame all of society ills on what they call the corrupt, white, western patriarchal society.
Left wing professors brainwash their students in most universities with their ideology and political correctness and try to stifle free speech and no platform speakers and disrupt meetings.
Where do think Antifa originated from? Ever heard of doxing?

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If you want an example, look up Lindsay Shepherd and the nightmare Wilfred Laurier Uni in Canada, put her through because she showed her class a short clip of a Jordan Peterson video.
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   Old Thread  #286 8 Jun 2020 at 3.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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not like you to agree with Kier on something!!
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   Old Thread  #285 8 Jun 2020 at 3.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It seems to me our left wing members make a bigger deal of it than it, perhaps is, because they suffer from white privilege guilt.

sorry but what an utterly stupid thing to say. You moan about negative reception but then say stuff like that intending to insult anyone that doesnt agree with your views

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   Old Thread  #284 8 Jun 2020 at 3.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi 906,

No I wouldn't because that is such recent history, that it would seem that we were celebrating him.
That statue from centuries ago is not celebrated by us now, it is an historical reminder of what we now consider the sins of the past.
Anyway, Sir B suggested the ideal solution.

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   Old Thread  #283 8 Jun 2020 at 3.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Would you campaign for the Jimmy Savile plaques and statues to be put back, after all he was a great benefactor?
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   Old Thread  #282 8 Jun 2020 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Henry,

It's nice to get a positive reaction for a change.
I'm normally a big target for our left wing colleagues on here.
It's good to hear that you were able to rise above whatever racism you were subjected to and had the self confidence to realise that they were the problem and not you.
As you say, racism isn't a one way street. It seems to me our left wing members make a bigger deal of it than it, perhaps is, because they suffer from white privilege guilt.

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Sir B, well put, I agree with that.
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   Old Thread  #281 8 Jun 2020 at 2.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We are all hypocrites.What amazes me when we talk about slavery is what about modern day slavery? What about all the t shirts we wear that are made in Vietnam by children getting paid a 1 a week? Or the iPhone sitting next to me that is assembled in China by cheaper labour than Apple want to pay in the west? I know some will say , 'but those people have a choice', but do they really? Its either work to feed your family or starve so they don't really have a choice. Like I say we're all hypocrites when it comes to what we deem acceptable, its just that some are a lot more hypocritical than others, perhaps some of those protesters should rip off their Nike t shirts, trainers etc... and chuck them in the river with that statue!
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   Old Thread  #280 8 Jun 2020 at 2.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But the statues in Hungary have been moved to a different place and now teach what happened in the past rather than celebrate the past. I reckon that's the way forward.
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   Old Thread  #279 8 Jun 2020 at 2.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I'd imagine Auschwitz is preserved because it is a relic of a horror that should not be forgotten.

Statues are a celebration of, and a tribute to the subject.

They're very different things.
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   Old Thread  #278 8 Jun 2020 at 2.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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a majority wore masks, look at the pictures, masks that the government are now saying work so well to minimise the risk of spreading the virus in close contact that they've made them mandatory on public transport....and are these the same social distancing measures of 2m that Boris wants to halve to 1m so we can all go have a pint in the pub, without wearing masks?
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   Old Thread  #277 8 Jun 2020 at 1.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally agree with that
There are similarities to indigenous Australian Aborigines who have been treated abominably down the years but in recent times, lets say the last twenty to thirty years they have received a lot of help and been given many rights by the Australian government and deservedly so like housing, welfare, land reforms etc...you name it and they were given it but the problems of the past are hard to shake off, and it is their ancient culture that is what they yearn for which doesn't really work in modern day Australia they have bad health issues, terrible drink/alcoholism issues, you cannot make drastic changes in a generation or more let alone a year or two
I remember reading in the 80's when I was living there that more Aborigines had died in police custody than Blacks in South Africa, seems hard to believe and whether it was true or not who knows but it wasn't the era of fake news back then
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   Old Thread  #276 8 Jun 2020 at 1.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Scozza,

I agree and you are reiterating what I've been trying to say.
In terms of opportunity and affluence, we in our Western democracies are in the top 1% of people on the planet.
In the US, millions of ethnic minorities and legal immigrants work hard and lead comfortable, successful lives. They will mostly have been raised in functional families with responsibility and a work ethic.
Inner city blacks raised in 75% mother only families on welfare with little father guidance, bad schools, bad role models on the streets, gang culture and crime, it's no wonder not too many of them, go on to lead successful lives. Attributing their problems to systemic racism is just nave and missing the point.

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Mal, so in that case, why is Auschwitz maintained as a reminder of the holocaust?
Why not just tear that down and just teach it in schools?
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   Old Thread  #275 8 Jun 2020 at 1.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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why was it not the front page news? yet this is.
Unlike the other incidents it was caught live, the demo was not authorised with and no social distancing took place putting everyone at risk.
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   Old Thread  #274 8 Jun 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Remove it yes put it in a museum and add a plaque describing the reason.
I'd like it to be recovered and that to happen.
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