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   Old Thread  #320 10 Jun 2020 at 9.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
There was a big BLM demo in Rome at the weekend, if that's what you mean.

I don't think anyone's talking about knocking stuff down that was built by slaves, are they?

I doubt the labourers on Stone Henge had a union rep...
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   Old Thread  #319 10 Jun 2020 at 9.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Genuine question Rome was built upon slavery is there any talks or protests going on there?
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   Old Thread  #318 10 Jun 2020 at 8.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Whatís up spanky........point 1 or point 2?
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   Old Thread  #317 10 Jun 2020 at 7.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wouldn't expect anything else from you Wayne !
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   Old Thread  #316 10 Jun 2020 at 7.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I wonder when the pyramids of Giza will be taken down as these were built by slaves!

Doing a bit of a research and it would appear there was plenty of black slave masters in the US too......


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   Old Thread  #315 9 Jun 2020 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Me too. Great idea.
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   Old Thread  #314 9 Jun 2020 at 6.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I like the idea by Colstons fellow Bristolian Banksy. Get it back out the Avon and remodel it back on it's plinth.
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   Old Thread  #313 9 Jun 2020 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He was introduced as Scotlands first black professor. That in itself tells a story I suppose.

He made a very similar point to yours when you said about removing them but not destroying them and instead using their existence and subsequent removal as a start point for education about past atrocities.

It is a really good point. Documenting their removal and explaining why is important. Like the Berlin Wall coming down. That footage is used as a stimulus for studying modern European history.

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   Old Thread  #312 9 Jun 2020 at 6.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
A lot of protests today about removing statues. One black man on the tv said it was a bad idea as it removed the evidence of what went on all those years ago, he's got a point.
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   Old Thread  #311 9 Jun 2020 at 5.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
RIP George Floyd

Have a good day and stay positive fellas
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   Old Thread  #310 9 Jun 2020 at 3.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for Thomas Sowell
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   Old Thread  #309 8 Jun 2020 at 8.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I totally agree. It starts with education and dealing with the fact they will experience people that hold racist views in their lives and how to identify it and the right education to be able to question that, in the or own minds and make the own decisions but be fully informed before they do.

Like I said, society is racist by proxy, because racists exist and they are in all parts of society. From the poorest of the poor, to the richest of the rich. Itís not that society is all completely racist, but a part of it is and not doing enough to remove those individuals from their platforms and just say ďitís a minority so itís not that badĒ isnt good enough. Imagine doing that with terrorism or sexism or whatever else. When the majority does not stop the minority it is an issue.

That quote is what people are asking - why the majority didnít stop the minority vandalising monuments this weekend. Well why donít the majority stop the minority being racist? Thereís too much irony involved in a lot of the anger that goes around.
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   Old Thread  #308 8 Jun 2020 at 8.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I realised that and edited my post but you said it, 71% could be being racially abused by one person, obviously that is not the case but your sweeping statement that society is racist is in my opinion untrue, you seem to have had a bad go of things because as I have said I haven't had any racist comments made against me for so long I can barely remember, I have of course heard people make racist comments and am probably guilty of 'letting it go' but I do think we are more in an age where people have said and indeed I have said to people when they have made sexist or racist comments that you cant say that sort of stuff, its not acceptable, we still have a long way to go because there are people out there who are blatantly racist, sexist...angry people who are even hate-ist! if that's a word? But seriously I do think the ease with which we can comment and abuse online and through social media does have a lot to do with it and the world does seem to be an angrier place these days, question..... where does the innocence of a child turn to hatred and bigotry? After all no one is born racist
Oh and this is interrupting my dinner.....final post
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   Old Thread  #307 8 Jun 2020 at 8.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Youíre interpreting the data wrongly but coming across the true meaning of it in your own words. 71% of people could experience racism from one singular person. Still 71% have been subject to racism. It doesnít mean 29% of the population isnít racist. Just that 71% of those surveyed have been subject to racism of some form. Whether itís being physically attacked, verbally (this has so many different levels to it), refused entry to a club, not given a job, all because of your race.
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   Old Thread  #306 8 Jun 2020 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think society is racist. But thatís solely the fact that racists exist amongst society. It doesnít mean everyone is but as I explained in a previous post, be it a teacher, police, politicians, business owner, bouncer or whatever profession, chef, sport team manager or whoever, has the ability to cause inequality or teach and impart inequality to others. That is how racism exists in our society. You then have the racist sympathisers who donít stand up against it, or ignore it. Iím ashamed to say I have done before because I was selfish enough to put my safety above that of others.

I guess it comes down to peopleís personal experiences in life. Like I said, for me personally, I have experienced mild racism in 2020. Ive has some form of racial abuse every year for the last 13 years from mild comments to extremely vile ones. However they were all made by people that clearly knew i was not foreign, Iíve lived here since birth, I donít have an accent. Now thatís another level of racism. Itís Full on targeted to offend someone because it says ďyouíre British but because of your heritage I will abuse youĒ. Knowing that these type of people exist in society, that are willing to actively insist on being racist to a British person, tells me that thereís a level of racism that runs a whole lot deeper than the superficial layer.

Until you root out and cure racist people and thus racism, you can justify that society is inherently racist solely on the basis that racism is allowed to exist. The long term cure is to educate children. About the British empire, winston Churchill, Ireland, Soviet Union, etc. Domestic and global history and without ignoring the bad bits. Because as much as itís shouldnít be scrawled on a statue, Churchill was a racist. He said racist things, he did things because of race. Particularly in India. And people have to accept that not deny it. It doesnít mean he Didnít play a pivotal role in WW2 and it doesnít mean that part of his history shouldnít be celebrate. But you canít just sweep the bad bits under the carpet. Kids donít learn proper history in schools, In year 10 I had to force the teacher to explain that Russia actually took part and played a HUGE role in WW2 and it in fact wasnít just Britain and America and other allied forces. The curriculum Doesnít teach the entire story on historical events. You learn about all the other empires but not the British? You donít learn about your own countryís history? What?

Luckily the younger generations are able to access the remainder of history with so much accessibility to the internet and resources. They also seem to be so much more accepting of others and switched on to calling out injustices and prejudices that at worst we can hope racism dies out with current living generations.
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