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   Old Thread  #197 7 Jun 2020 at 5.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Cleansing ones past , right or wrong ? Rhodes next ?

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   Old Thread  #196 7 Jun 2020 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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this was the second paragraph in your post written by Mary C Walters in 1994 , copy and paste it

A study has been made between US blacks and immigrant blacks from the Carribbean. 2nd generation Carribbean kids can't be distinguished from US black kids because they both speak with the same accent.
They both tend to live in their own close knit communities and are equally subject to any supposed racism.
The study shows that Carribbean kids do far better in education, go on to get good jobs, many in professions, and earn a far higher income. A lot of this difference is attributed to two parent families teaching discipline and respect and a work ethic to their kids. Asian kids success in education is off the charts and is attributed to family work ethic.
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   Old Thread  #195 7 Jun 2020 at 4.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So...

I have avoided this for a while - largely because if I wanted to listen to white men try to find reasons why racism doesn't exist / isn't a problem / is 'perceived victimhood' / and so on and so on... then I could just join the NF / BNP and go to one of their meetings.

Also, I found myself getting emotional - which is fine because there are people in my world who I care about who are directly affected by this each day. So I got pissy...

However - there are small positives everywhere.

You will find that the word used way back in post 119 has now been added to the blocked list on carp forum.
For this simple but important action, I thank the 2 mods who sorted it. If you now feel aggrieved that you can't use that word on carp forum, then I suggest you ask yourself why it's so important for you to say it. It's a vile word with a historical context that offers no positive reason for you to use it.
The choice by some (not all) black men and women to use that word as a way of 'reclaiming' it, is not yours to judge. Sorry.

Denying that racism and racial inequality and racial oppression exist, doesn't make it true.

If finding someone 'intelligent' who says racism isn't a problem helps you to justify your own position of denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If saying that some people are just born that way helps your denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If you choose to focus on the idiots that use events as an excuse for civil unrest, rather than the many thousands more who have protested peacefully and respectfully to help your denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If you are trying to find any excuse / ideology / mythology / ridiculous comparison / 'well what about...' type argument, to help your denial then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

If you think saying 'well I'm not a racist' is enough then good for you.
You are not part of the solution.

There are intelligent, empathetic, emotionally aware people on this forum. I hope and pray that this could be a real moment for positive change in our society. I encourage you to be part of the solution. You don't need to march / protest. But you can do something rather than simply not doing. As Greekskii said, you can challenge racist comments rather than ignore them because not saying anything is not enough if you really want a world without racism.

Tinhead i would gladly have a pint with you - and you wouldn't want to kill me because I'm a nice man.
Spanker / Jon / Jimmy / Ocelot etc. - Likewise.
Scozza - same - although if you drop the 'N' word then I might pour it over your head...
BB - maybe a half if we both promise not to talk... (that's a joke - please take it that way)
Greekskii - I don't know what you got banned for in the past but don't do it again because your voice on here is important.
nineosix - 'Parklife' - the single funniest thing I have read on Carp Forum - ever!
I'd like to thank my agent for giving me this opportunity and the director for making such a wonderful film..

Silliness aside - ask yourself what it is that stops you from saying, and believing,

Black Lives Matter

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   Old Thread  #194 7 Jun 2020 at 4.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Spanker,

The info you refer to came from a U tube vid from Oct 2018, the Rubin Report entitled The Myth of Systemic Racism with the black commentator Coleman Hughes.
The info and stats he gives, come from the research of Dr. Thomas Sowell, and from the Columbian Uni professor of sociology Van Tran and the Harvard Uni professor of sociology Ethan Fosse.
In fact, part of the page you copied agrees with the piece I wrote.

The literature on the second generation, including some of my own writing, has stressed the cultural and structural strengths of immigrants and their children and how they are able to overcome barriers which have cursed some native minorities in the U.S

Agreed, she refers to racism, but that was written 23 years ago and race relations have improved in time in the US.
The point remains that 2nd generation Carribbean kids do far better than their black US counterparts and the main reason is good family structure and work ethic.
The main problems that inner city black communities face is familial, social and bad schools.
And Trump has implemented the policies I outlined, to improve poor communities, which is far more than Obama ever did for his community.

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   Old Thread  #193 7 Jun 2020 at 4.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It's got nothing to do with Vorsprung durch technique, you know?

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   Old Thread  #192 7 Jun 2020 at 3.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ask yourself BB why you did not look a bit further into the Author who you copied and pasted , you found the material to suit your agenda , within 2 minutes of me searching the author, Mary C Waters i found this , to rebalance what you posted , your article was written in 1994 and the one i copied was 1997

In this paper I focus on the third way in which race matters to second generation outcomes--ongoing institutional racism and the detrimental effects of racial segregation. I would like to suggest that while the cultural and identity reactions of second generation youth are important in determining their labor market outcomes, the structural constraints facing these youth have large independent effects. In other words, even the most non-oppositional, un-race conscious, ambitious, school identified youth would face a very uphill battle to avoid crime and violence, do well in school, and get enough education in a local school to actually complete in college. The literature on the second generation, including some of my own writing, has stressed the cultural and structural strengths of immigrants and their children and how they are able to overcome barriers which have cursed some native minorities in the U.S. However, these barriers and the racial discrimination that sustains them are real, and these real deprivations create failure among some youth.

This paper is based on an in-depth race and interview study of first and second generation West Indians in New York City in the early 1990's. After a brief description of the research I concentrate on the ways in which neighborhood and school segregation function to limit opportunities in school, and the labor market for second generations will flesh out the "black box" mechanisms by which race remains correlated with extreme disadvantage in our society even among the children of new immigrants.

You can do better than this BB
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   Old Thread  #191 7 Jun 2020 at 2.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hi All,

There's a bigger picture to this unrest in the US, Australia and here and that is a political battle between the radical left globalism and Republican/ Conservative populism.
This Black Lives Matter movement is identity politics on steroids and is fueled by perceived victimhood.
The stats show that there is little evidence to support the claim of systemic racism and that, in the US, the real problems that inner city blacks face are social deprivation. 75% of black families are mother only on welfare. This is because, if a father is present, the welfare stops and the onus is on him to support the family. So welfare gives fathers a free pass in being responsible for their own children.

A study has been made between US blacks and immigrant blacks from the Carribbean. 2nd generation Carribbean kids can't be distinguished from US black kids because they both speak with the same accent.
They both tend to live in their own close knit communities and are equally subject to any supposed racism.
The study shows that Carribbean kids do far better in education, go on to get good jobs, many in professions, and earn a far higher income. A lot of this difference is attributed to two parent families teaching discipline and respect and a work ethic to their kids. Asian kids success in education is off the charts and is attributed to family work ethic.

Studies from both left and right wing think tanks, agree that the route to success and a good lifestyle in the US is based on 3 basic things. Finish high school and be literate. Get a job and stay in work. Don't have children until you are settled in marriage or a settled relationship.

Inner city blacks live in cities that have been under total Democrat control for decades. They rely on 90% of the black vote in elections and preach the identity politics of being victims. They also harbour the 10+ million illegal immigrants in their sanctuary cities, hoping one day they will get to vote for them.

The irony is, that 8 years of Obama did little to help the black community, but in 3.5 years of Trump, he and the black Senator Tim Scott, have instigated big improvements.
He introduced the ,1st Step Act, which freed 1000s of blacks imprisoned under the 1994 crime bill which Joe Biden helped to introduce.
He introduced Opportunity Zones Legislation, which gives tax incentives to investors and has raised 75 billion dollars of private sector funding, which is being invested in 8700 poor communities across the US.
He has funded the Opportunity Scholarship Fund in Washington, which creates Charter schools and scholarships.
The United Negro College Fund, supports historically black colleges and had to annually, go to the White House to ask for funding. Trump and Tim Scott produced legislation that raised the amount given, to 255 million dollars and made the annual fund permanent.
You won't see any of this in the US media or ours for that matter. They only report on Trump's verbal gaffes.
You really need to do your own research to find out what's really going on.
If you're interested, there's currently Senate investigations in progress trying to unravel the Democrat corruption in spying on the Trump administration and the Russian collusion hoax.

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   Old Thread  #190 7 Jun 2020 at 2.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Immigrants?
This is about black people born here and in the US being treated unfairly.
You can’t ‘look it up’. You live amongst it or are black yourself, otherwise it’s all hearsay
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   Old Thread  #189 7 Jun 2020 at 2.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sometimes if all you have is google searches and a hatred of the Tories with no first hand experience of black culture and communities except articles written by middle class white lefties, you should observe and learn rather than preach. It’s deeper than your political allegiances .

I live in Bolton , it's part of the gateway program for immigrants , look it up ! it is not a hatred of Tories , it's a hatred of corrupt career politicians Labour or Tory , as i have said many many times

Your assumptions are completely wrong !
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   Old Thread  #188 7 Jun 2020 at 1.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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do some research and find out
I've done that and could find nothing on riots because a white man had been shot.

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Black people only make up 3.3% of the population. Are you sure?
I think you'll find a lot of the statistics (we all know how statistics can be manipulated) are focused in black areas where crime rates are high.
I'm not saying targeting blacks doesn't go on because it does but until the areas I describe are relatively crime free then it will continue to happen

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Well put
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   Old Thread  #187 7 Jun 2020 at 1.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Give it a rest ffs
The system in its entirety discriminates and has created the situation where gangs and violent crime may be the only way to survive. This creates the disproportionate figures in use of excessive force, as these are armed and/or dangerous individuals with nothing to lose and no fear of the justice system. Not saying assumptions aren’t made and people targeted by the police for their race, but you won’t get tasered or shot without being antagonistic or aggressive. The figures don’t lie, but they don’t tell the whole story, which is the police can only enforce the law with individuals shaped by society.
Sometimes if all you have is google searches and a hatred of the Tories with no first hand experience of black culture and communities except articles written by middle class white lefties, you should observe and learn rather than preach. It’s deeper than your political allegiances
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   Old Thread  #186 7 Jun 2020 at 1.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Boris is openly racist and has been all his life ,
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   Old Thread  #185 7 Jun 2020 at 1.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your right

Accepting ethnic groups has come a long way in this country from the Windrush days and will continue to progress. Look at TV programs, rising damp and Alf Garnett times. Things have moved on over time and will continue to do so

Racism will never ever go away because people will never let it drop. One moron could start a riot. Same as using the race card as a get out clause, it’s endless

And for the record some of the coloured folk are the biggest racists about, blacks hate Pakistanis with a passion, they don’t like Indians etc, etc.

My Mrs has had it regular, is it because I’m black, not it’s because you have committed a crime you thick ****!

You want to see Harehills in Leeds, that is a melting pot. I wouldn’t want to walk through there on an evening. Black streets, Pakistani streets, Eastern European streets, guess what, they all hate each other. All the houses have there own armoured gates over the doors, mental. This is just one place where it could kick off. Is racism the underlying motive, probably not, they have not got jobs, they pinch off each other, beat each, knife each other and sell drugs to each other because they have **** all else to do all day. This is the biggest battle, how do you employ probably1 million idiots who do not have the skills or more importantly do not give one in the first place!
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   Old Thread  #184 7 Jun 2020 at 12.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Police are using force disproportionately against black people in England and Wales, statistics released for the first time suggest.

Figures released by the Home Office showed that 12 per cent of incidents involving the use of force that were recorded by police were against black people, who make up only 3.3 per cent of the population.

Black people were involved in proportionally more incidents that involved armed police using guns, at 26 per cent, and 20 per cent of people involved in Taser incidents were black in 2017-18.

White people, who constitute 86 per cent of the population in England and Wales, experienced under three-quarters of use-of-force incidents.

They were also proportionately less likely to be subjected to use of firearms, at 51 per cent or Tasers, at 67 per cent.

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Deputy Assistant Commissioner Matt Twist, of the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), said that although the statistics were in their infancy and did not show “a complete picture”, they reflected a wider issue.

“It's something we're aware of,” he added. "As data quality improves it will be the responsibility of police forces to explain why there were disparities ... in use of force, and to act on any issues identified."

Mr Twist said officers make operational assessments to use the “absolute minimum amount of force to resolve a situation”, adding: “They are also using force as you would expect them to, in situations such as arrest or restraint to protect others.”

Around 313 incidents where police officers used force on a person were recorded in the year, with handcuffing and other forms of restraint being the most common type.

Other types of force were “unarmed skills”, ground restraint, improvised, limb or body restraints, spit hoods, dogs, batons and shields.


All there and easy to find , but might contradict your agenda
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   Old Thread  #183 7 Jun 2020 at 12.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Remember the Toxteth riots and the long-standing problems that led to them? Straight after they were quelled Micheal Heseltine was sent up North and made a minister for Merseyside. Investment flowed into the inner city area of Liverpool, improving the area and problems quickly. The old school Tories like Heseltine have been cast out of the modern conservative party unfortunately. Doubt those events led to more racist's.
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