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   Old Thread  #1460 4 Aug 2020 at 1.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So just be to clear I'll say again I'm sure Danny Rose does suffer racism on and off the football field but the two instances in that Independent article are not the best examples

I know what we write doesn't always come across as we hope on this forum but I hope the above does
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'Young black men singled out on standard class trains and while driving modest cars while white young men not being singled out would definitely be racism.'

or even more simply - young black men being singled out... it happens and it is racism. As he says in the article, it first happened to him when he was 15 - probably not sat in 1st class or driving a very expensive car then...


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If a casually dressed white man was sitting in 1st class along with a load of business men dressed in suits wouldn't the ticket inspector likely to single him out for ticket inspection.
Same with a young white man driving an expensive car that most young people can't afford.
Not saying Danny Rose has never been a victim of racism because I'm sure he has but young men with loads of money will raise suspicion whatever of the colour of their skin.

Young black men singled out on standard class trains and while driving modest cars while white young men not being singled out would definitely be racism.

So just be to clear I'll say again I'm sure Danny Rose does suffer racism on and off the football field but the two instances in that Independent article are not the best examples




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   Old Thread  #1457 3 Aug 2020 at 11.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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you know what greekskii - you could post a different story along similar lines on here every day of the week and the sad fact is that some people will still tell you racism isn't a problem - or that it's the fault of black people / absent fathers / democrat governors / societies where people from different cultures have the nerve to live together etc etc

Luckily, there are many who see the truth and strive to do the right thing

The volume may have been turned down but the record is still playing - Black Lives STILL Matter
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   Old Thread  #1456 3 Aug 2020 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
click here to view For all those racism deniers out there. You cheer him when heís got an england shirt on, will you back him now heís told you racism doesnít exist?
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   Old Thread  #1455 24 Jul 2020 at 8.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Kanye been on a long journey towards this mental breakdown imo. I hope he actually gets the help he needs, come a long way from when he was making music. Then again it must be hard work being around the Kardashians!!

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   Old Thread  #1454 23 Jul 2020 at 11.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think Kanye West lost it a looooong time back....

Doesn't he want to be the next Donald Trump?
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   Old Thread  #1453 23 Jul 2020 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And an aside is Kanye West loosing it?

Now saying his wife is a white supremist who wants him sectioned.

The world is growing crazy but Kanye is not 😀
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BLM protests they are ok because itís for a just cause, misguided in my opinion, But peaceful with only 40 police officers hurt! But ****ing dare to go to the beach or pub for a drink you might as well hang a bell round your neck and a leper sign.

I didnít do these any of the above I have to much respect for my family and friends 👍🏻

Apologies in advance for being Leperist 😷
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No point with you. Youíre consciously an idiot, you donít even do it accidentally.
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   Old Thread  #1449 23 Jul 2020 at 5.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Key words

1. Celebrations, happy people celebrating

2. Protesters, angry people and rioting

If either group want to socialise then they are both fools but each to their own I guess
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   Old Thread  #1448 23 Jul 2020 at 5.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít really know what your post has to do with anything?
You clearly know what Iím saying in my post.
Not like you to have a problem with a clear fact though is it and try and twist it.

Iíll explain it for you anyway in simple terms just in case though;

British mentality seems to be that football celebrations are okay to not socially distance, not wear masks, not be careful as no one is condemning them on social media. Whereas BLM protests social media was awash with condemning even though many wore masks, many socially distanced and many were careful.
Therefore football seems to trump equality on the list of whatís actually important in the country because itís acceptable to ignore the pandemic for football but not for equality.

Tbh your mindset seems to be the exact mindset Iím talking about.
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   Old Thread  #1447 23 Jul 2020 at 4.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Football trumps equality apparently

Football has done more for BLM than anything else I have seen. Banning people, banners all over the grounds. BLM on their shirts, BLM one knee stance before kick off

Unless you know any different?
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Worst thing is, I noted who it was and ive lost respect for for them tbh. Many probably have done it subconsciously as well and donít even realise their own low-key racist tendencies!!
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Same with the regular illegal raves and the flippin madness when the shops opened....

Makes you wonder if it was just an excuse for some people...

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odd times, and I think it says a lot about the mentality of Britain...

My facebook was full of people condemning BLM protests for potential to spread Covid...Liverpool and Leeds fans going bananas with no social distancing doesnt get a mention at all? Football trumps equality apparently. Sad when you think about it.
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   Old Thread  #1443 18 Jul 2020 at 2.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
John Lewis and Rev CT Vivian RIP

Two key figures in the civil rights movement from the 60s and compatriots of MLK Jr. Involved in moments of positive change that made real difference at the time.



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   Old Thread  #1441 14 Jul 2020 at 5.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes and it will be available to everyone except you
You get I'm a dick
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we also need a 'you're a d*ck' smiley...

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I'm not a fan of analogies so I was on a little wind up


We need a wind up smiley

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   Old Thread  #1438 14 Jul 2020 at 2.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it does work for class and wealth - because both of those things are part of the bigger picture that is all linked. it could be applied to gender too i guess. Maybe think of City as being an upper middle class family in Alderley Edge with 2 Range Rovers, 3 dogs, a cleaner, ipads for all, disposable income... (I'm generalising but to make a simple point).

it's about inequalities that can make even a supposed level playing field unbalanced.

i can see how talking about it in football terms might be tricky for a gooner to grasp though...

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But in your analogy the Wallets are equivalent to tax avoiding CEO's who get paid an obscene amount. Yes the vast majority of them will be white but your analogy works better when comparing class and wealth. Even Joe Average who is often labelled white privileged can't compete with that.
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when in doubt, a football analogy is always useful

I'd be interested in getting that pdf - the link too me to the Kickstart website which I assume isn't what you meant.

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Agree with a lot of what you say and nicely put

The link i posted earlier to a PDF did not work correctly. But it was an interesting read and does justify quite a bit of what you are saying. I dont dispute it, i dont dispute anything tbh but there are a LOT of factors to address here, its certainly not as clear cut as lot of people seem to think, a lot!

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   Old Thread  #1434 14 Jul 2020 at 12.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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morning scozza

I've never said that there aren't opportunities - just inequalities in those opportunities.

By way of a bit of emotional distance from the subject I'm going to use a footy analogy.

At the start of this season, every team in the Premier League - one could argue - had the chance to become champions. They all start on zero points, they all have to start the game with 11 players on the field, they all play the same number of games and each other home and away. Opportunities for all.

However, some teams are starting with a bigger squad - which means they can cope with unexpected situations like injuries or suspensions. Or a squad with better players - some even having spare better players who would be first choice at other clubs. They have state of the art training facilities for these bigger and better squads.Their 'home' is bigger and better equipped. Some teams know that if it's not going well, they can buy new players in January - and some teams can spend a LOT more on these players. Or they can sack their manager at great expense and bring in a highly paid replacement mid season (hello Jose). Some teams have to borrow players from the better off clubs - but then when they play that parent club that player can't play so the smaller club is disadvantaged and the bigger club is given even more of an advantage. The bigger clubs get to play in more lucrative competitions, widening the gap year on year. Then there are the unquantifiable elements like referees being swayed by the crowd at those big clubs - afraid to go against that mass of public opinion, even subconsciously. Perceptions about certain players being 'divers' or 'dirty' clouding judgement. Those opportunities for all are different now.

Yes there are those smaller clubs who 'work hard and apply themselves'. And on their day they might get a result against one of the bigger teams. But over the course of the season, the inequalities begin to show and the advantages for those bigger clubs take effect. At the end of the season the rewards are based on league position, so there will be clubs (like the Blades) who have worked their backsides off - one could easily argue they have worked harder than the bigger clubs - for ultimately less. And so the gap widens.

Occasionally there will be a team that bucks the trend - brilliant Leicester City. But that's the exception rather than the rule and the status quo is restored pretty quickly because the imbalances and inequalities will always favour the advantaged clubs.

And that's just looking at the Premier League. Further down the spiral it is even tougher. Look at Man City and Wigan over the past few weeks. City can buy their way out of a ban - £9million quid is not so much when you are working in budgets of billions. Wigan are facing points deductions and the resulting financial penalty because they've gone into administration during a pandemic where hundreds of businesses have failed. The inequalities come with further punishment for those who are disadvantaged.

So...

We've got stuck on the job thing - but it IS part of a much bigger picture with some real systematic issues that need addressing. Our society isn't fair - and I do think that we both want it to be. We maybe have differing views on how to get there based on what we see / hear each day.

Education - So much to say there. I agree it is key. And thankyou - I do teach with passion and with pride in my students' work. But that's a system that isn't perfect either. The lockdown has highlighted the huge disparity in opportunity for disadvantaged students even in something so simple as setting work to be done online. That's much easier for some - and practically impossible for others. The gap is widening and that is going to have a knock on effect for years. And that bigger picture comes into play again when you look at wealth disparity and race in the UK... (another can of worms). The government say - get kids back in schools to combat the disparity. Rather than tackle the root causes of it...

Right - I've done my essay now. That report link from Greekskii is worth a read

Hope you have a good day man.
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   Old Thread  #1433 14 Jul 2020 at 11.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hypothetical solution, do you mean example?

Hypothetical was the word you used... I assume wrongly to describe your solution to black African unemployment.
No point trying to make it out like I've not made sense when it was a re-use of the wording you initially used to describe something

So you wont read the evidence that disproves your "the issue doesnt exist because I say so" theory and continue to believe your own theory. says a lot about your attitude tbh. This discussion will never progress as you will continue to put your head in sand and say "im right, your wrong, doesnt matter if im proven wrong I am still right" so... I'm out
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you have no response for the studies I linked that show that your view of everyone gets equal opportunities is actually disproved by professionals??

Probably because i did not read them, plenty more **** to get through in this thread

Hypothetical solution, do you mean example?
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you have no response for the studies I linked that show that your view of everyone gets equal opportunities is actually disproved by professionals??

When the evidence is in front of you, you very quickly don't respond to it, either you didn't read it or you are too proud to admit that you may have it wrong.

As a reply to the other one, from the way your views and opinions come across on here, it is quite believable that you would think that is what the BLM movement want as an outcome. So no, I didn't take it as a hypothetical solution to the issue.
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You really cannot read between the lines can you. it was hypothetical

Something i would have expected you to agree with thought really, to be fair i am shocked that you did not
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The reply was not to one of your comments. It was to Mal
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Mal, Slight issue at the minute............

'Well, we have a new African lady who started this week. I hope she was employed because she was the right person for the job'

your words.

I'll ask again -

Q1 - would you have posed that question if it was a white bloke that had got the job?

No?

Q2 - why might that be?

...


Q1. because of the recent BLM drive are businesses just balancing the ethniticy of there workforce so are employing Black candidates who perhaps are not best for given Jobs but feel under pressure to do so for fear of being called out.......

Q2. As above.
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Not sure how that relates to anything tbh. You are quite a drastic person arenít you. Sacking white people to employ black people? That just keeps unemployment at the same level. Maybe sorting out the economy and ensuring businesses thrive so more jobs are available would make more sense as then there would be jobs available for all unemployed people.

Interestingly do those unemployment statistics include people that canít work as being disabled or not?
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Didnít I mention the kickstart programme in my post? Not by name but I thought everyone knew about it was it was national news a few days ago.

It pains me that you base you entire opinion from just your place of work and what they do. Maybe a reality check that not every business operates as yours does. Way way back in this thread I posted a link to a study carried out in 2015 where researchers sent out the exact same CVs with ONLY the names changed to represent different ethnicities. Funnily enough BAME names got less call backs than white British, even though they were qualified and educated exactly the same on the made up CV. That was a proper study, that was peer reviewed and accepted. It far supersedes youíre experience of your one employer and their recruitment policy. The study shows clearly that BAME people were not offered the same opportunity as someone of equal ability that was white British.
Study

there is also this one About a pay gap, which I am always sceptical of but it seems as if they accounted for a number of things and did come out with the conclusion that there is one with white British of the same qualification and education starting on a higher salary. But like I said I am sceptical of pay gap data but it makes interesting reading.
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No, but since this is about black people and employment or lack of opportunities it is kind of relative to the thread isnít it. Canít think why I would mention it otherwise, can you?

And BTW. If the white bloke wasnít performing he would be treat just the same as others who were not, performance managed. Itís called business

So, you saying they lack opportunities thatís another one to prove you wrong. Not to mention all the other people that are on site. And I have worked for three large corporates now and diversity, as I posted earlier, is big on their agenda, they like to be seen doing the right thing. Good for their image and brand.

You might find this interesting. The last person I set on was a white lad, fantastic attitude, very good qualifications and a brilliant interview. There were a lot of candidates of different ethnicity but they do not get the job because they did not have the qualifications, grades, background and interviewed very poorly. What we do though, we usually choose 2 people during the process so if we offer to the first candidate and he does not accept we can offer to the other. The other candidate was a Thai lad who had some fantastic qualifications and was working in his uncles restaurant as a waiter, very little experience compared to some but had a fantastic attitude and came across as a very friendly person who would integrate well with the team. The key point is getting the right person, we can develop the skills. He would have been working for a black engineer. really nice fella, he works for me, but now the white lad is. Not that I had to tell you this but, you see, your spouting a lot of bollox really.

And for the record. This does not account for all the others though that have come through the gates and gone over the years that I have seen with a ****ing bad attitude. And if you want to tackle something, thatís what you need to be tackling. Bad attitudes because a qualification is only a tick box. So, on what I have seen, I guess some businesses may stereotype people for a reason and since I have experienced it first hand I can see why they do

You should maybe stick to teaching and giving kids the best opportunity in life instead of just another group of helpless lives that come through the system every year because this is where it starts for me. My daughter had a rough time through school, the teaching was horrendous and the school got put on the ofsted report, which didnít surprise me really. I had a few meetings with the headmistress whoís head was so far up her own arse she could not see daylight, she got sacked though in the end, no surprises though for me. Not to mention the other year tutors who I have had meetings with, one was appalling, we had to listen to him, telling us how it is, not the other way around, listen, why would he want to do that, clueless idiot, would you believe it?

Some people teach with a passion which I think you will Mal and some people teach to earn a living, and thatís the difference, there are ****ers in every sector see. My Mrs and I did some home schooling and I even ended up paying for private lessons to ensure we gave her a good start since school was failing her badly. I have discussed it many time with other parents and it really is heartbreaking when you see all these kids struggling and you know they are not going to have much luck in life, because this is where it all starts. This is one area that needs a massive shake up for starters, schooling. Give people the best start in life. Once you can get the kids to attend school and give it their best shot that is (the parents)

I had an hour on google last night to try and educate myself. This backs your argument up perfectly, surprised you did not find it. There are lots of counter arguments though. Thereís a problem though too, this is qualification based. The real things like interview skills and attitudes are not accounted for. And letís face it, when you see how half of these perform that are on the news, screaming, shouting and rioting I can see why they are not employed

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Fair enough
I would like to think that although we see things a bit differently underneath it all we are not as apart as it sometimes reads.
10 more minutes and I'm off to bed, goodnight
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That's why I said ' Yeah, but...' as opposed to 'No it isn't'.
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Well it's a blessing cause scozza would only complain about you...

I'm done here for tonight. Just posted a blinder in the listening thread for you

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But.....
At Scozza's place I could miss out if I'm white because they use positive discrimination.


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The vast majority on here say that racism is a problem. I don't know anyone who has said it isn't a problem
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A persons skin colour or gender does not define their ability to do a job.

Would you be ok to miss out on a job because the previous worker was a white bloke who wasn't very good? No of course you wouldn't because that's not treating YOU fairly. It's a loaded preconception. And that's a problem.

Jon - nail hit on the head
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1400 posts on this subject.

A minority saying 'racism is s problem'

The majority saying 'yeah, BUT .....'

That's the trouble.
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Q1
If a large proportion of the previous white blokes were good at their jobs the answer would be no.
If a large proportion of the previous white blokes were not good at their jobs the answer would be yes.
Remove white blokes and insert any combination of colour and sex and get the same result.

Q2
Based upon the previous performance and proportion of the colour/sex of the workers
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'Well, we have a new African lady who started this week. I hope she was employed because she was the right person for the job'

your words.

I'll ask again -

Q1 - would you have posed that question if it was a white bloke that had got the job?

No?

Q2 - why might that be?

...


Please answer Q1 before moving on to Q2


or not - your choice
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Didn't question that. I question company policies at times based on experiences as I posted before

BLM doesn't say give us jobs and houses. just saying

What does it say then because thatís what most of the banners are that I see on the news?
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Are you on something tonight?

What your claiming that I'm saying is not anything like I've actually said.

And you still don't answer my questions. ...

Double standards much?

When black women 'stop complaining and do something' you question whether she's worth the job she applied for, interviewed for and then was appointed for. You can't have it both ways



BLM doesn't say give us jobs and houses. just saying

edit - Greekskii .... 'No one said there wasnít any opportunities, is this why youíre so irate? Just not always equal opportunities.' I said this ages back but some people have their head in the sand / up their backside....

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We could sack 151,000 white people and give their jobs to black people?

Bit unfair but itís a quick way to address the balance, 75,500 could be better, evens it out?

Look at the figures, black peoples are a minority, 3 out of every 100 so donít except to see their faces everywhere, 3 out of every 100 TV presenters that you see, 3 out of every....

Now what you could do is dig down even further to try and understand why there are 151,000 unemployed?

But ultimately we need to get all these people employed, the dream would be loads of businesses stood around wanting labour because there was not enough to go around?
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Now heres the question for a clever lad like you. How are you going to get all these people working and earning a good living?

The governments seems to be set to pay their wages now. The young ones anyway. Upskilling people, re-training them, etc. With Priti Patels new immigration system there will be plenty of minimum wage jobs going soon enough they can do. Is that not the main of brexit, to stop those foreigners stealing Jobs?

Iím not quite sure what problem you want me to solve? %wise more black people are unemployed than white? Even though there is 28x more white english than black Africans, there is 12x more unemployed whites than black Africans. Makes sense that the conclusion to be drawn is that even though there are 28:1 white:black African in the population, itís only 12:1 on unemployment.

Funnily enough you do understand that black African doesnít include all black people right? Black British, black Caribbean, etc. Arent included in your figures.
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Hereís the problem for you to solve based on the 2011 census figures

White English 48,160 000 people (86% of the population)

4% unemployed, around 1, 926 400

Black African 1,680 000 people (3% of the population)

9% unemployed, around 151,000

Interestingly black unemployment has come down a long way over the last few years

Now heres the question for a clever lad like you. How are you going to get all these people working and earning a good living?

BLM - We want jobs and houses

And donít forget to ensure they have the education and skills the employer requires, if you can find one of course
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I detailed all my answers as to what can be done well down this thread but to some up. In fact I gave you some things that could be done in my last post Did you not read it?

It happens to all races, yes, but not in the same proportions. If poverty was distributed equally I donít see see why there would be a racial inequality issue in terms of poverty. But fact of the matter is, it isnít distributed equally. Which leads to the other inequalities we see in race, incarceration figures, knife and gun crimes, etc. Itís all linked. And it isnít solely down to a lazy attitude is it.
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You raise some points I can relate to for once. And why the stance is still the same for me. ALM because the things that you mention effect all in this country, so, round and round again, what are we going to do about it?

Stop calling people by their skin colour (which is wrong)

Do something, which is what I asked you many posts ago and you went round the houses, because as now, you can spout crap all day but you canít provide any answers can you?
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The only satisfying part of my day is pulling up in my **** estate and getting out of my **** car and crossing the threshold into my **** abode
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Yeah but you can't put a price on job satisfaction
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No one said there wasnít any opportunities, is this why youíre so irate? Just not always equal opportunities.

Opportunities are harder to access, harder to come by, not the same opportunities that others may have, etc. If your poor you donít get the same opportunities as a rich kid. You canít tell me that you believe a clever poor child going to a rubbish school has the same opportunity as a clever better off kid going to a better school? When you throw in social and environmental factors it all adds together. Some of the most prolific criminals are geniuses ffs. Putting food on the table or looking after your siblings or even disabled parents all come first, a clever kid misses out on education because of the need to support the household. Opportunity is there but they have other priorities. An example of how easily someone ends up staying in poverty and potentially a criminal as they wanted quick cash. So you look at the government statistics, double the amount of black people in poverty than white. Well why is that? Itís simple, they were started in poverty and itís been a rough ride to get out of poverty. Governments never help the poor, when they say they will they get lambasted by MSM and media because they have the view as you do scozza, poor people are lazy.

No brain capacity to process the reasons behind poverty, why so many, why do they struggle to get out of poverty, etc. And no brain capacity to do anything about it; better fund schools in poor areas, community centres, apprenticeships, whatever it may be. It never happens because people that arenít poor donít like poor people getting help, because then there isnít someone beneath them. Again, this happens everywhere but itís a typical British trait. ďWe won the war against the GermansĒ when comparatively the Germans are better than us as a country and global power. ďThe French are cowardsĒ when France show they are a step ahead or beat england at a sport. Having to try and be better by grasping to historical things which have no bearing on the context of anything. A sad state of affairs.

Itís why the above described people donít like it when they realise there are people that exist that actually want to help pull people up the ladder instead of keep treading on their fingers as they try to climb.
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To be fair I have worked my Jacobís off and have pretty much f-all. Hard work doesnít always equal just reward.
Probably the absent father, french, welsh and Jewish heritage.
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if there was no racial inequality then the numbers of 'successful' black men and women would be higher.

You see, your just typical of the situation arenít you. Far easier to put barriers up isnít it.

Thereís a reason they are successful, they have done something about their situation. They could have sat around and complained all day that everything is unfair but they havent have they. They have done something
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If I were a rapper I couldnít do any covers and drop n bombs either, cťst la vie
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Clearly thereís a HUGE problem Nationally for it

I wonder if all these Germans in our country are blaming this for their lack of success?

I doubt it. Now they are a nation of ambitious people if ever I have seen one!

You see, I donít doubt there is some racism about, look at the 12 year old kid who has just got done for racially abusing the footballer. Mmmmm, 12 years old, I wonder why that is? **** wit father?

It will always be there for a long time to come and there is **** all the government can do about it, yes they can change the education system but there will always be bell ends in life.

We are in a completely different place to where we were 50 years ago, 40, 30 etc and things are going in the right direction but do not ever tell me there are no opportunities in our country, there are plenty if you want to do something about, end of story

Unless you want to blame everything and everybody, far easier ainít it

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If I were to say black people were fast runners due to their heritage I could be accused of being racist?


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Isn't the government a bunch of liars and can't be trusted?
That's a joke BTW
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some of you might want to download this report

You know, where government statistics state that by race, poverty is double in black than it is in white. In fact white poverty is lowest out of any race. Are you really saying that the cause of that is solely because of laziness?
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I know plenty of people of most races. As far as we know most are descended from migrants who came to work from Africa, Asia, Europe and the Caribbean; the percentage of the black population here who are directly related to freed slaves is minuscule compared to the US.
Although those from the Caribbean obviously came to be there through the slave trade. I remember Michael Johnson during the olympics talking about natural selection/survivors of the journey creating populations in the Caribbean and southern states who were genetically supercharged and to this day dominate most sports. Not really relevant but I find it interesting
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do you know what 'in spite of' means....?

if there was no racial inequality then the numbers of 'successful' black men and women would be higher.

your argument simply doesn't hold up.

the problem - as Greekskii has said - is that there are too many BAME people who are being held back from 'success' - sometimes even from a basic fair crack of the whip. I'm off for my government approved walk.



and you haven't answered my questions....



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I bet your one of those who dont like the Germans because they bombed your grandads chip shop in the war!

Quite the opposite because Iím not thick And they did a lot worse than bomb my grandad, he was one of the polish that made the journey through Siberia after having to flee the nazis, starting at the age of 14.

But like I said, I know the difference because I have brain cells. Iím not part of the ďten German bombersĒ tw*ts every time England play Germany. Just shows how un educated people arenít doesnít it, sadly on a match day there are hundreds of thousands of them up and down the country. Clearly thereís a HUGE problem Nationally for it. Should the British stop being lazy and educate themselves properly so they donít sing, what you could call racist, songs about past events? A societal issue which needs addressing.

Itís funny how you get me so wrong, goes to show you donít actually read anything I post properly.
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Perhaps because IN SPITE of systematic racial inequality

See, your talking rubbish again to try and justify your claims. If there was all this inequality they wouldnít have got on would they!!!

Maybe itís because they have done well at school, progressed through university, have good communication skills, can conduct themselves in a proper manner and get the respect they deserve instead of been a complete bell end, like I have already said, same with white folks too
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But if we want to get very simplistic then yes it is white peoples fault that black people have issues in this country, why? Because black people were bought over and asked to come to live and work here by white people. That started a long journey off and here we are today. If they hadnít then it would be a different picture all together.

And thatís the whole problem isnít it. Something that was right 100s of years ago. Thatís called history, itís gone, done with, something to reflect on and learn from. Maybe thatís the next step forward, forget about the past, we cannot do absolutely anything about it, done

I bet your one of those who dont like the Germans because they bombed your grandads chip shop in the war!

Just like your love of the police. You need to drop it, if you canít then donít expect anything to change, and guess what, thatís the same with everything else
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the biggest barrier to that is people denying there's a problem

I don't think anyone on here is saying there isn't a problem Mal. We can agree with that
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alright fishie? survived the river?

Dawn Butler may well have told porkies about rough sleeper numbers. No excuse for that and it's wrong.
It doesn't for one second excuse the racist abuse she - and her staff - have suffered though. The attacks have been based on her colour - not on her political comments.

As for MP's and schools / left wing politics, that's maybe for another thread?

I agree about positive role models - it's just stereotyping to assume that all black kids want to be rappers etc. as mentioned a few posts down on here. There's a nice quote regarding aspiration - 'you have to see it to be it'. If young BAME kids can see their role models in industry, management, finance, teaching, Police etc. then they can more readily aspire to it. It's been an argument for getting more girls into STEM subjects for years.

The story about you and your mate is great and credit to him for his approach. You might get accused of it being a 'fluffy' story but what the hell eh? If that was the norm across all areas then we'd have a lot less to worry about. Unfortunately it's not yet.

edit - tinhead, yeah i recall the discussion about it. it's scozza's perception of his workplace. and we also discussed the reasons why positive discrimination has had to persist. no going round in circles allowed.... although i do recall asking him a question back then that he never answered...
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You seem to be suspicious of her appointment in the role
Going back a few days I seem to remember Scozza saying there's a lot of positive discrimination in his firm and that not always the best person was chosen. Now that can happen from time to time but if it becomes common then over time most people will become suspicious
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The same Dawn Butler who claimed to have 3,000 people sleeping rough in her constituency whilst the actual verified number of rough sleepers was 3,900 in the whole country 😡

The left do not want equality in the country whether it be north/south, rich/poor or black/white they thrive on division. How many Labour MPís send their kids to private schools? I can think of 2 black MPís who did not want their children educated in London state schools for a start! I wonder why for a party of the people?

Role models are required in all sectors not just rappers, DJís or sportsmen. I am talking about industry, health, finance, building and the likes. And let the black community shoulder some of the responsibility for this. They have to motivate their youth the same way the Asian community push their children forward. My mate joined the job at the same time I decided to specialise he decided on promotion. One black one white but motivated, we both decided to apply for different roles at the same time and he was told to take his application in person so they could see he was black. His reply was I donít use my colour, if they want me they want me itís on merit. We both got our roles 😀

My grandson who is 3/4 black his mother my step daughter was dual heritage and his father Jamaican. He was a pain growing up and always in trouble with the law and was taken into care at one stage. He turned 18 last year and has been unemployed since school. He had a child late last year and this has completely changed him. He got a job as a bin man via an agency in April at the start of COVID. He started with 20 others, black/white/asian. Now 4 months on he is still working has been offered a full time direct job and is the only one out of 20 still working. He has grown up, wants to give his son everything he should have and he sees the only way of doing this is working and supporting him. People just need focus, motivation and a will to succeed.



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you're posting pish again - in fact the same pish you post on here all the time.

it's you going round in circles with your 'i know some black blokes who don't work hard' and 'everyone has the same opportunities' and 'there's no racism where I live' sh*te.

Has it occurred to you that those blokes you work with might appear to have a chip on their shoulder because they have to hear your bull repeatedly? Maybe they just don't like you. Did you ever work with any white blokes who are lazy or have a bad attitude? Care to share those pearls of wisdom?

To answer your question 1

Perhaps because IN SPITE of systematic racial inequality, they have persevered and found opportunities where their skin colour has not been used as a reason to hold them back.

feel better now?

out of interest - are we viewing the fact that the black woman got a job at your place as a positive? - she's been successful in taking one of those 'opportunities for everyone' after all. You seem to be suspicious of her appointment in the role - would that be because she's black? or a woman? Would you have bothered to question it if a white bloke had got the job?

now - care to answer my question about Dawn Butler? Is there no problem with racism there? Is it her own fault? or because some black families have absent fathers?

as for nothing moving forward - the biggest barrier to that is people denying there's a problem and hence taking no positive action. simple really
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Donít really get how that is a response to my post. There would be no black people in this country if white
People didnít force and also ask them to come here. There would be no successful black people, nor would there be any poor ones either. That is why it is on a very simplistic level it is white peoples fault that black people have issues in this country.

Saying there is some successful doesnít mean all of them are and there are no issues
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You answered the question? They had good upbringings. Successful black people arenít the ones with an issue when it comes to poverty. Iím not quite sure what it proves that black people are successful in this country? That there isnít an issue with poverty? Or that there is no systemic issues in any communities because there are rich people? By your way of thinking issues donít exist in any communities because there are rich people of every race in this country. Racism doesnít exist because some people are successful?

You never answer my questions either tbf. Why are black single parent households fairing worse than white single parent households? Is it solely a race issue because you seem to make it out that itís only an issue for black people?

Your only answer is that there is no issue, apart from lazy people. Which is mind boggling tbh. Head in sand merchant. Never make anything better because you are scared to admit the truth.
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We must be doing something right

WE as a country provide the opportunities, schooling etc

I think the key word is THEY

Because THEY have made it happen and made a success of themselves
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Neither of you have answered Q1. To be fair I would not expect you to, because you know itís a fact

You see, I know more than you think. My Mrs grew up in Sheffield and thereís a pattern there, absent fathers, similar to rest of the communities. Iíve had a lot of dealings with them too, some brilliant people and some complete and utter bell ends.

You two keep on looking for the fluffy things in life, that why nothing moves forward because of people like you. Plenty of this

And no answers

Opportunities for all, if people really want it
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Cut and paste

Q1. Why are there so many successful black people in the U.K.?

They probably had a good up bringing, concentrated and did well at school, have ambition installed in them and the drive to do well. They want to be a success


We must be doing something right
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Why is the single father thing only a black issue? Do white single parent families fair better for some reason then?
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Itís funny thatís all you see when people say there are multiple reasons for deprivation in all communities and particularly in black ones.

But if we want to get very simplistic then yes it is white peoples fault that black people have issues in this country, why? Because black people were bought over and asked to come to live and work here by white people. That started a long journey off and here we are today. If they hadnít then it would be a different picture all together.


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touches on some of the same stuff - appalling reflection of what goes on daily.

scozza - couple of articles posted. maybe have a read about some of the racist comments you are 'positive' aren't part of the problem - or is it just her own fault because of something you read about absent black fathers?
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Always easier to blame everything and everybody else

After all, we are a communist country and there are no opportunities for anybody in the U.K.
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From what Iím reading on here lately Iím getting the impression that we (white people ) are to blame for their actions and itís not their fault.
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Another Dawn Butler story
The Brent Central MP fears the party is losing support among black and minority ethnic voters

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Well, we have a new African lady who started this week. I hope she was employed because she was the right person for the job

See we are going round and round again.

Q1. Why are there so many successful black people in the U.K.?

They probably had a good up bringing, concentrated and did well at school, have ambition installed in them and the drive to do well. They want to be a success

Q2. Why are there so many unsuccessful black people in the country?

They probably did not have that father figure around to give them the support and direction when they needed it. Probably because there father was a bell end and was not about?

Possibly a few other reasons too, one thing for sure, Iím positive it is nothing to do with racists comments?

Hereís one for you to consider. A lot of the black men that I have dealt with have had a very bad attitude, can be extremely aggressive and have a proper chip on their shoulder. Then you wonder why nobody will employ them or they canít hold a job down

Similar situation with the Tommy Robinson gang, bad attitude, world owes them a living, canít hold a job down, donít want a job, want 30k a year to get out of bed with no skills and a ****ing bad attitude

Please answer Q1. Before you attempt answer Q2.
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So basically poor people need to sort their own sh*t out but people that arent poor can have their sh*t sorted by the government??

Wonder where inward reflection would lead...lets go on a journey... why are more of this community in prison? well because we have more criminals....why do we have more criminals? because we are poor and quick easy money cash helps us out, because the gangs that operate and prey on the poor groom children to work for them so kids enter a life of crime from a young age, because poor people are statistically more likely to suffer from mental health issues, anger issues, and generally be more anxious because sometimes they dont know how they will pay for their next meal, all of this leads to friction and volatility....okay so why are we poor then? because of crime, because single parent households, etc.

Or maybe some more logical reflection from everyone... why are so many of this community in prison? well (and this is true of America btw) For small amounts of drug possession thereís more black people in jail than there is for rape and armed robbery and murder put together. In America prison is private, $50,000 per inmate on average, its big business. In the UK we have only 14 privately run prisons, just shy of £40,000 per prisoner (10,500 of them in 2018). It's mega money. It's socially engineered to keep the poor poor. most of them are in council housing, which could be made nicer but it isn't. the schools in the areas are underfunded when they should be better funded than schools in well off areas.

There is so much to delve in to I haven't got the time tbh.
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Hi Aidey

fair enough and thanks for replying to clarify. You are right about the way forum posts can work / not work at times.

I'm passionate about this - you might have guessed

I agree that rightly convicted criminals should be in prison (or whatever the sentence might be). I've heard a lot lately about the black community not doing enough to combat knife crime / black on black crime. The 'white community' is never given that same responsibility for tackling knife crime (yes, white people carry knives too) or white on white crime. It's accepted that the Police will do that job (as it is their job). Inequality of expectation there?

I'm also not saying that any community is perfect and doesn't have its' own set of unique issues. Simply that these issues don't always stem from within the community, but are often a response to the bigger picture - in this case systematic race inequality.

I'm not sure if people are forgetting George Floyd's name, but I agree that the picture has widened hugely. By way of an analogy, his death was like a stone in a pond and the ripples are spreading. Even today with the Washington Redskins changing their name - after many years of request from the Native american community. It might not have mean too much to some white American NFL fans, but it is important for others.

I'm glad you started this thread - others might be done with it by now, but it's opened up some really good debate.

here's one to consider - not a lazy gang banger complaining, but an elected MP trying to help in a community and suffering threats in relation to her colour...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/11/have-assaulted-attacked-will-never-silenced-12975181/?ito=push-notification&ci=22331&si=9412819


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"That should read as "parts of the black community". However, there is no doubt at all that there needs to be some serious inward reflection by the black community, and they need to ask some serious questions as to why their children are disproportionately in prison, involved in gang crime, involved in knife crime, involved in black on black crime, and why the likes of Trident are still in existence. Nothing is improving, it's only getting worse.""


They? We live in Britain in 2020 mate. Do you not think it's a British problem to solve? Why's nothing improving if we've known the problems leaving people and areas behind causes? Inward reflection is definitely needed and you need to broaden your views on by who.
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Thanks for the reply Mal, I forgot about the work that community groups undertaken in the community, as well as within prisons so thanks for the reminder.

To address a couple of your answers....

Either you are so ignorant on what you are posting about that you didn't know (and couldn't be bothered to do a 2 second google search), or you used that term intentionally to be insulting and provocative which of course would be moronic.

It was tongue in cheek. People have forgotten his name because the focus has shifted from his unlawful killing to mindless rioting and looting, of which does more to damage poorer communities.

'Their Asian mayor' - Who's mayor exactly? The Black community? Why just 'their' mayor - because his skin is a different shade? Sounds like something Tommy Robinson might say in one of his moronic moments

I meant residents of London, of which knife crime and gang crime are ever increasing despite the work of youth and community services. Hence why I said nothing is being achieved. One step forward...

Mal, don't take my badly constructed words literally. The only problem with this platform is you aren't face to face, so detecting sarcasm is difficult! I don't see colour when I speak to someone, I hate everyone equally , so no need imply that I have a issues with certain people just because of the level of melatonin they possess.

I would be interested to learn more about the Police investigation, as that is one that will have interesting consequences. However, with the black lads I met within prison, they weren't tax evaders, shop lifters or joy riders, the vast majority were "gang bangers", drugs dealers and murderers. All of whom should be in jail, right?
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I guess it's Boris' fault as well that a huge number grow up without a father figure.

Funnily enough some of his children are growing up without him as a father figure
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If you really find the EDL etc. so moronic then maybe don't write posts that could easily be attributed to them eh?

To address a couple of your points...

'whatshisname' - He was called George Floyd. Either you are so ignorant on what you are posting about that you didn't know (and couldn't be bothered to do a 2 second google search), or you used that term intentionally to be insulting and provocative which of course would be moronic.

'Their Asian mayor' - Who's mayor exactly? The Black community? Why just 'their' mayor - because his skin is a different shade? Sounds like something Tommy Robinson might say in one of his moronic moments. Are you implying he only represents the black community because of his skin colour. In that case - using that same logic, no wonder we are in such a state with the white racists Prime Minister in charge...

'a single convenient coat peg' - 'trust me' there's nothing convenient about decades of systematic racism. Well not for those who have experienced it anyway.

'disproportionately in prison' - already been posts here about racial profiling and the far greater likelihood of stop and search / charges / convictions for young black men. There are investigations happening right now within the Police force to address the problem.

your comments on the black community not looking inwards simply show your ignorance of the situation. You seem to be unaware of the work done within the black community on a daily basis to help redress the balance. And equally unaware that this work has been repeatedly hindered by years of cuts to youth and community services making it impossible to run projects / fund youth workers and centres / food banks / knife, drug and gang related initiatives. It's why the term 'systematic' racism is used. It runs through the system, not just individuals.

'what have we achieved ... nothing' - again, showing either ignorance or purposeful denial. Lots has been achieved already and more is being put in place to ensure that the good start continues. Industries are looking at their policies and practices. Educational establishments are openly admitting the need for change. Awareness is hugely increased. Maybe you really haven't noticed - but then maybe you don't need to.

I'm not going to bother with the ridiculous stereotyping. Or the contradiction in terms of role models.

If you are interested enough to start a thread then go have a look at what's happening - really happening - outside too. You might be surprised.

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Mal,

Trust me, I find the likes of Britain First, EDL and the BNP/NF before them to be absolute brain dead morons just like you and the vast majority.

I just feel the black community need to look within and address some pressing issues before hanging all their coats on a single convenient coat peg.
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Well...

Perhaps decades from now parts of the white community (to borrow your phraseology) will realise that they are talking utter sh*te when it comes to dismissal of racial inequality in 2020...

We can but hope eh?
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That should read as "parts of the black community". However, there is no doubt at all that there needs to be some serious inward reflection by the black community, and they need to ask some serious questions as to why their children are disproportionately in prison, involved in gang crime, involved in knife crime, involved in black on black crime, and why the likes of Trident are still in existence. Nothing is improving, it's only getting worse. Their Asian mayor seems to get off lightly in the criticism when it comes to the amount of young black children dying in the streets too, of which I have had the displeasure of witnessing.

I fully recognise that there are black people from poor backgrounds who have succeeded in life. My issue is with those in poorer communities who have no aspirations apart from creating wealth through any means possible as they have no positive role models. That is their problem, and not the fault of the posh boy Etonians in which the black community choose as an easy target for their woes. I guess it's Boris' fault as well that a huge number grow up without a father figure.

To dismiss the above as just stereotyping, or even worse as "racism" just allows the issues to fester even more.

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   Old Thread  #1367 12 Jul 2020 at 8.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't know... I'd say it was pretty much like it....
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"Decades from now, the black community will still be blaming others without looking within, and still not recognising it's their lack of ambition and self victimisation that is holding them back, not whitey."

Nothing like full on racial stereotyping
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Jesus, haven't looked at this post since I created it, and 92 pages later, what have we achieved since whatshisname died?

Nothing.

Oh, apart from America showing itself up as the hormonal teenager that it is. Thankfully, people get older and wiser. This means the doughnuts in Seattle that are rioting, creating autonomous zones and living off daddy's hedge fund, will thankfully grow up and contribute to society once they get into their "gammon" years.

Decades from now, the black community will still be blaming others without looking within, and still not recognising it's their lack of ambition and self victimisation that is holding them back, not whitey. If your role model as a 16 year old is a drug dealer with facial tattoos rapping about trainers, jewellery and women, are you REALLY surprised that you're not the CEO of a company? I guess going round committing racial motivated offences against innocent white members of the public due to a copper kneeling on a burglars neck will REALLY help your cause, and put you on a great path to being an upstanding civil servant, doctor, lawyer etc etc.

Talking of doctors, the Indians who arguably come from a much poorer society must sit there pissing themselves laughing at the excuses that come from Americans. Especially when those oppressed Americans are tweeting from $900 dollar phones and wearing $200 trainers...
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another leap from what I said... maybe our wires are a bit crossed?

I agree - one incident is too many. If it was only one that would be so much progress from where we are right now.

The first story really got my back up tbh. - and it's back on thread track too of course...
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One is one too many but let's not get the idea we are mass exporting racism to the states of all places.
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another isolated case to add to the rest of the isolated cases every day....

and that's just the ones that do make the news.



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Looks like an isolated case which is why it's made the news.
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/cop-who-held-george-floyds-legs-died-asks-charges-dismissed-12964399/?ito=push-notification&ci=21927&si=9412819

Really?!?!?!?!?!

F***ing pathetic excuse for a person. He held his legs and then claims he wasn't aiding the man's death? F***ing coward and the person who is 'defending' him needs a slap too.



Also - for those who are convinced racism isn't a problem....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/british-ceo-calls-family-celebrating-birthday-restaurant-fg-asian-piece-st-12960381/?ito=push-notification&ci=21920&si=9412819

We're exporting our racists too now it seems...

Black Lives Matter
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12042712/beyonce-faking-african-american-really-italian-congress-candidate-kw-miller-claims-twitter/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

The new Donald....

Scary thing about it is that there will be some dumb sods who would vote for him....
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Terry at Eurovision was a role model for us all.
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More statue fun. Purely for laughs.

https://youtu.be/PEFc68D0lH4

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Pastor Kidneys anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdWnTa9X2NI
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Perhaps for balance they shouldíve put an edl supporter on the spot and asked about somebody like Marcus Garvey. Communities often only educate to suit their agenda as greekski has pointed out and why I think history is dangerous for developing minds.
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And thrown at the kitchen wall to see if you're ready?
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You need to be heated to around 85 degrees for a couple of minutes, then cooled and kept in an airtight container. Or something like that.
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She could be asked about those things but I doubt statue and street names were mentioned on the job spec.
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You little scamp you...


Tinhead - me too. I'm out. Come and have a laugh in the footy thread
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She's Chair of Lambeth independent police advisory group so she may be asked about statues and street names.


I can see this going into yet another tit for tat in this thread, so I'm done and will allow others to have the last word

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Shameless popcorn-grabbing job on my part, posting that vid within a vid.

There's a little something for everyone isn't there?
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None by the looks of it
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What skills and qualifications should you have to get a job as a Pastor?
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I'm not excusing her lack of knowledge tinhead. Like I said I doubt that lambeth council seek her advice on matters of British history. More likely on matters of local community.

And I did also put the loony coco pops woman in the bin with no objection then.

At least this lady isn't in a position to make decisions that affect the country like .... well, take your pick really

And if he feels strongly about this one woman saying something dumb on tv then that's ok for him. He can put that news item in the bin.

Peace and love man. Have a good day.
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Mal stop throwing stuff in the bin that doesn't meet your agenda.
If it's a one off like you say it is maybe, just maybe he feels strongly about it?
If he's done this many times then you would say he's biased.
Either way you'd bin it

The worrying thing is this woman, the job she's doing and the way the TV interviewer let her off the hook.


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South London, weíre the pride of Britain
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It seems there are a few unqualified advisers around lately.

I doubt she's an adviser on British history....

The guy starts his video by saying he'd do the same for any person of any colour, gender etc. who was saying something similarly stupid. I wonder if he has, or if he's just done it with this woman...

Edit... just looked at his other content. No examples of the many others he could have called out.... there is one of him moaning that hes racist cause he has a master bedroom or something. Not hard to see some people's agendas. He can go in the bin with the other attention seekers (like the breakfast cereal woman).
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Talk about giving jobs to people without the required skills, can anyone defend this?
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Is it

This one Keebs?
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It also brings job happiness. I know plenty that just work for the money and donít really enjoy it or never envisaged themselves in that line of work and still have different aspirations.
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itís just the way of getting there

Was trying to say this all along, I started at what I see is the biggest challenge

School should run until 18 standard. Ideally progress to mandatory 3 years higher education or skills standard. At this point Iím sure kids know what they will want, sorry, young adults
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See, we do actually agree itís just the way of getting there. Schools put so much emphasis on going to sixth form, if your arenít they donít really offer much support sadly. You let a non academic kid do an NVQ in a trade and they will apply themselves to the basics quals for math, English and science. Because they are happier.

Me, I was lucky that I knew what I wanted to do from a young age and I chose my GSCEs at 14 to set me on that path for the subsequent A levels for my degree. I was one of the very few that knew. The pressure on 13/14yr olds to define the course of their life by picking GSCEs is insane imo.
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Not teachers, they have their pressures so they donít get sacked. Curriculum yeah, itís set and kids learn what they are taught. I donít know about you but in school I learnt of the Romans, Wild West, colonisation of America, Saxons, medieval Britain, ww1, WW2, British history (with the empire removed from it of course), Vietnam war, Ireland and probably a few things Iíve forgotten. I learnt about plenty of bad things, but not the empire. Funny that Plenty of my friends that didnít study off their own back now; hate Germans, hate the French, hate the Argentines, donít understand why there are lots of Indian and Caribbean people here, donít know what the Boer war was and most of all believe Britain has never set a foot wrong in its history.

To me, that is not right. And itís what creates a society which doesnít tolerate and allows low key racism to exist. The causal racist. Like Dean Cowell, banned again for racial comments towards me on a thread I wasnít even involved in.
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Plenty of jobs out there, have you been on recruitment websites? Literally hundreds of thousands. Or at least there was before the pandemic. Ups kill people and get them in work. Simple as that.

Agree. This is something they could look into

I think the sad thing in a way is kids donít get it. At school, next thing, 16 and out on their arses and expected to crack on in life, difficult times for them, they donít really know what they want to do. I speak from first hand experience with my daughter
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Not everyone is academic and they should be catered for.

Now we are talking

I agree. In such circumstances there should be much more hands on and skills based opportunities but they still have to go through the basic schooling practices sadly. Academic qualifications are not the be and end all but until companies still benchmark with them thatís where we are sadly

For me practical experience is everything
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Youíre saying the same thing over and over. We all get it. You believe that people have to work as hard as they need to get an equal opportunity. One person that might be hardly at all due to circumstances, others it might be every second of their life. You believe that is fair and right. You donít believe in discriminated against people getting to have equal opportunity, they have to work harder.

Why do I sound victimised? Because I can see inequality and not ignore it and want better for the world?
I feel sad for people that discriminate and victimise people. Iíve been racially discriminated against loads in my life, despite being born here. Am I bitter? No it never bothered me too much.

Plenty of jobs out there, have you been on recruitment websites? Literally hundreds of thousands. Or at least there was before the pandemic. Ups kill people and get them in work. Simple as that.

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I think you're being harsh on the teachers and curriculum if you think they teach us good them bad mate.
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I get it but when you donít teach people about their own history and cultures and will teach them other countries atrocities itís purely a case of hiding it.

To be perfectly honest I think there should be an entire overhaul of the education system. Not everyone is academic and they should be catered for. Goes back to some of the stuff scozza mentions, lack of ambition because they donít want to do academic based learning? Or maybe give them some tools and theyíd love it.
Offering trades and other opportunities as part of GCSEs would really keep more kids in school as they wonít feel worthless like the current system makes them feel. Give the kids an opportunity to do something they are interested in and theyíll enjoy it more, and work harder to get the basic GCSE maths, English and science.
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   Old Thread  #1328 4 Jul 2020 at 6.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís what Iím saying, donít teach of any atrocities until the emotional maturity and required time are available. We were made to watch roots at school, what did it achieve? Caused huge fights between black and white kids!
Also a lot of these historic ĎracistsĎ can be just as easily labelled as Ďof the timeí.
Iím not condoning it but how far do we go? You said yourself equality wonít happen overnight and these people were X years behind us and we are essentially nowhere in the struggle
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Do you feel victimised in life, you sound like a very bitter person?

You need to read and more importantly understand my previous posts, itís a fact that some people have it and some do not and until everybody gets an opportunity such as a job there always will be, as I said earlier flowerpot, there ainít enough jobs, what should we do?

Bang on about history what we cannot change only learn from
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So you donít want equality then. Part of the issue then arenít you. I feel sad for you tbh that thatís how you view life Ēif youíre disadvantaged then screw you, work harder than others to get the same thing when you shouldnít have toĒ

Suppose you think paraplegics should crawl up stairs instead of getting ramps for wheelchairs too
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Greekski, we had this the other day and it wasn't really about democracy, I was hoping you'd realise. It was about how difficult it is to choose which bits you teach. There's better things to be taught about in school's as Noj says. If you have the inclination it's something to do in your own time
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Like I said earlier,you may believe in individualism as a cure for all ills but society is changing. Even Johnson recently acknowledged "there really is such a thing as society" during this COVID-19 lockdown, quite a slap in the face for Thatcherite's.
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Just teaching the Ďgoodí bits isnít really teaching history though is it. Look when Churchill got racist sprayed on his statue. Everyone saying it isnít true. Well it was, they were just uneducated because of the curriculum not teaching them about their own heritage and the basis of their own society. Happy to teach the kids about other peopleís atrocities though. Maybe people would actually understand why there are people of other ethnic groups in this country if they learnt about the empire and subsequent commonwealth.
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Itís called life, and that how it is in most places of the world. Compared to others we are in an exceptional position, you need to remember and respect this. Life is what you make it flowerpot
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Again, having to work harder to get equality isnít equality is it

Whatís equal about one person having to work 3x as hard to get the same opportunities. Honestly canít make it up how you donít understand what equality actually is
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Realist

Not like you flowerpot, 🌹 idealist

And equality is there if people are prepared to work toward it, otherwise, get what you get
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   Old Thread  #1319 4 Jul 2020 at 6.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I donít think forcing the teaching of past atrocities on kids at school and leaving history teachers to explain them on already limited time is fair and too open to being interpreted differently regionally and from one individual to another. Further education of young adults is different..
Parents should have the responsibility of raising their own children to be understanding of different cultures and leave teachers to concentrate on the curriculum. Itís not hidden history, the entire documented history of mankind is available online or at libraries for those interested. Sadly it occasionally breeds extremism and is dangerous to only touch on briefly with young, impressionable minds.
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Similarly to you saying I never provide any detail on how to combat inequality. Why canít it be resolved? What is your reasoning for that being the case?
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Not with your attitude it canít. Youíre part of the problem. Pessimist more than an optimist. You donít want equality so donít see how it can be achieved and constantly put the idea down.

You honestly donít have much to say about the points I make. You donít want to acknowledge the REAL history not a selective history where bad things are erased. That education is key to progressing forward as a society.
Iíve given you multiple ways to stop discrimination and ensure equality. You just donít want to read it because itís actually sensible and doesnít fit your ďit wonít workĒ agenda.

Stop discrimination of all kinds. To the point you donít need diversity inclusion forms to force employers to consider BAME or disabled candidates. In an equal society that neednít exist because it doesnít matter. The fact it exists means we arenít anywhere near having equality to all.

Police could do a proper job and take drugs off the streets, remove child grooming for gangs and you stop children loads of kids dropping out of education and ending up a slave to gangs. Stop all crime. If you get life for nicking a loaf of bread people wouldnít do it. Theyíd stay in school and get an education. ďPolice need more fundingĒ I hear you say... then tax the rich properly like I said so the money is available. Stop spending pointless money on hs2 or £25m to a company to get PPE that has never traded and has no employees.

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I typed a few paragraphs and then deleted them, sometimes you have to realise when you are just banging your head against a wall. You have still not resolved the equality issue or even looked at it have you, just another load of tosh skirting around the subject because you know it canít be resolved can it?
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Disagree, history is written. If anything we should leave it alone, respect it and learn from it
Teaching the full story not just selective bits. For instance we donít teach anyone anything about the British empire. No one wants to change or delete history, just to tell the actual real history. Burying your head in the sand that the British empire didnít round up Africans and rape, torture and murder them in concentration camps after stealing their land is frankly incredibly sad. Itís omitted from education so how can anyone learn from it?

Everyone has equal rights in our country. Itís what you do that matters


They are meant to but they donít. For instance fathers donít have equal rights when it comes to parental custody. Men donít have equal rights when falsely accused of rape. Just this week a female judge let a woman off a jail sentence after she had a sexual relationship with a 14yr old boy because its was consensual and they had genuine feelingsí...reverse the genders and it would have never happened and been a national scandal.
Itís not equal rights to be racially profiled but it happens daily. Harsher punishments being for example if a police officer racially profiled and harasses someone they should lose their job instead of nothing happening. Theyíd stop pretty quickly.

As I said I didnít list the entire revamp of society thatís needed to create equality, just some. More learning resources instead of funding cuts to education would start. Thereís thousands of social and economic things that need to change before true equality can exist and none are easy to do when you have racism and people that are unwilling to try to better themselves and the country like yourself.

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Sorry Greekskii, always thought it was a T not a K........

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Stop discrimination by Ensuring kids donít grow up racist. Social services will take children out of households where they are being taught racist or other discriminatory values, as they do with other harmful situations.

Agree

Educate people properly and remove white supremacy from history (Jesus wasnít white was he)


Disagree, history is written. If anything we should leave it alone, respect it and learn from it

Give everyone equal rights. Harsher punishment on authorities that profile people and abuse power.

Everyone has equal rights in our country. Itís what you do that matters

Harsher punishments, example of the wrong?

And you have still not tackled the main underlying problem have you. Equality. The people at the bottom and all these jobs that they need. The things that will make the real difference

Dream on
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Stop discrimination by Ensuring kids donít grow up racist. Social services will take children out of households where they are being taught racist or other discriminatory values, as they do with other harmful situations. Educate people properly and remove white supremacy from history (Jesus wasnít white was he)
Give everyone equal rights. Harsher punishment on authorities that profile people and abuse power.

Some of many things that could be done to remove discrimination over time. It wonít be a quick fix but itís possible. Unless you have unwilling participants like involved but theyíll die one day and then they wonít be an issue.

I believe if you disagree that everyone should have the same opportunity in life and not be discriminated against then you are clearly part of the issue arenít you?
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It was only a joke mate, since Trump got called it, it seems to be the new buzz word lol
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As I've been involved for 30 years in training apprentices and under grads, the last 15 including more and more female's. I've seen it first hand mate.
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Letís agree to disagree.

Thereís already a schooling system in place, you either make use of it or you do not, simple

BLM - Jobs and homes

You can say whatever you like but what I posted is the reality. So, as I said, how are you going to change it?

How are you going to create this equality?

Edit -

I will give you a starter, create 5 million new jobs and try to fill them with people who do not have the skills, work ethic, desire or will to work?

How will you create these 5 million jobs, how will you get all this investment? in America itís probably about 50 million, how are you going to sort the USA out too?
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Who said everyone had to be employed or we want to give everyone a job?

A fair chance at getting a job.... so it seems like you are missing the point arenít you.

I think you are trying to drag people down to your basic level tbh. I fully understand that race, gender, sexuality, upbringing, poverty, postcode and many other things create Inequality within society. To say that simply if you have to work hard enough to get what you want doesnít actually take in to account that some people have to work harder than others due to one or more of those reasons I have mentioned above. And if you acknowledge that and say ďwell they should just work harderĒ that means you donít want equality because people shouldnít have to. That is the whole point you seem to be blindly or intentionally failing to realise.

I said before, taxing rich people properly and not letting them avoid tax would be a start to increase available funding for things like libraries, community centres, better school funding, etc.

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I can't leave you lot on your own can I? I've only been out for a couple of hours
Notice the superiority complex in me there

In a nutshell positive discrimination for the sake of it and employing people who can't do the job is a big mistake.

If a company chooses to employ underskilled whites in preference skilled BAME then that's another big mistake.

It's not difficult to understand IMO but seems some people have a problem understanding and seem to believe people have hidden agendas that simply aren't there
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You see, your not looking at the whole picture are you, whatís equality to you? I will tell you what it is to the majority as I see it, having a job, a nice car, and a house like everybody else. And for that you have to work for it, end of story.

So then smart arse, this is the question for you like I already mentioned earlier in the thread.

How are you going to create all these jobs for all these people to give them this equality?

I will answer it for you. You canít because there are not enough jobs in the country, and guess what, itís like a filter ainít it, the people who have the skills, education, communication and the right attitude have the jobs and the stupid or lazy people do not.

What are you going to do, divide the sum total of U.K. earnings by the population and give everybody a piece?

So, how are you going to employ the nation and create this equality, Iím all ears?
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Well Iím just going off the fact that people that acknowledge inequality and want equality you deem to be racist and anti white. So you canít want equality if our ideal of equality is, to you, a bad thing.

I get the feeling you like to single out and focus on one factor of something. For example race in this instance of ďbeing stupidĒ or incapable of working to the standards. You attribute stupidity to parenting but donít look in to what social-economic circumstances lead to that parenting or that person not achieving in school, etc.

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misogynistic

I bet you have never heard of that until Trump got called it
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WTF are you going on about. What makes you think that?

Maybe you have a problem?
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"Why are you so opposed to equality is the real question"

Some are because they are racist, some are because they're misogynistic, individualism also plays a part. It's a great race that you start wherever you start and the finish is dependent on how fast you run and not predetermined in any way. Inequality is irrelevant in the race just get on with running. Its pretty easy to see the flaws when applied, in society.
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Back from what turned out to be another bashing session

Have good day Mal, itís only cyber space
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and reality?
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But then if you look at it the other way round, are employers compensating for years of ignoring BAME candidates?†


Maybe times change and things move on, good job were not back in the 1900s ain't it, mind you though, listening to some on here you would think so
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Fishing mate, avoiding the pubs
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Im fishing, difficult to keep up, another bream

I don't have to say anything I have wrote it all below, should have read it and joined in a proper debate nsted of ignoring and cherry picking, but then you don't want to do you becuase your right, but really, your wrong, you are banging on about minority issues and not the main fundamental causes
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you appear to have identified a positive reason for employing someone of a different race / religion / background there noj - careful now....

scozza - if you're out there, have a good day man.
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Racist
Anti white

For wanting equality.

Why are you so opposed to equality is the real question.
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I was just giving my views on business exploiting division..
Doesnít get you off the hook
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Just trying to make the point that how you said it came across a different way than you meant it.

We all know recruitment of BAME and disabled occurs due to quotas and being perceived as fair. If it didnít then there would be no need for diversity and inclusion paperwork when applying for a job. Double edged sword as itís purpose is to ensure that no one is discriminated against however many employers use it as a way to only pursue BAME or disabled candidates to improve diversity in the workforce and donít really base it on the capability of the candidates. Of course people could lie to get jobs...Iíve seen it first hand with made up qualifications and even someone using a different name so they were considered for the job and not automatically binned (this was a BAME person using a British name btw).

But then if you look at it the other way round, are employers compensating for years of ignoring BAME candidates? I said a long time ago down this thread that it only takes the boss to be a racist and that creates an issue. Is it a conscious attempt to hide discrimination or even better themselves and try to make up for previous ways of thinking?

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What pathetic claims?

And what's your question?

The more you post the less you say
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Pointless trying Jon, they are racists, anti white, everybody else is persecuted in the land of.oppurtuniy and the UK is all wrong because it does not suit there map of the world.
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In scozzaís defence I have witnessed people of varying races, religions and social groups be promoted to management without the Ďrelevantí skills; myself included.
It can however be considered good business because managing is just the management of those who are actually doing the work. If, for instance, itís an area with a high BAME population then a big proportion of the workforce would potentially better relate to a manger with similar social, religious, financial and linguistic differences and work more efficiently; or at least with less division.
Sadly that in itself feeds casual racism across the board but business is business and success almost always comes at a cost
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Read the post again

If

But yes, I do have the picture in my head but it could be seen as derogatory instead of a honest opinion based on xperiences so let's leave it at that eh?

Unless you want to tell me that the biggest idiots are Italain (stupid person)

Or.are you just trying to cause trouble?
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Tbf you still havenít answered which race you know Is more idiotic than the other based on the data you forgot to keep
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Maybe canít bring himself to acknowledge any other nationality than English so refuses to type Greek

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There you go again, back to pathetic claims. You have still not answered the question about the white kid out side KFC have you, easier to keep banging the same old drum
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Of course you don't need to.

Why would using language that offends be something you needed to worry about?

Blissfully ignorant
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Idiot by definition A stupid person

Could be, depends if you think he's stupid or not?

Forgot, or an idiot?
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Yeah really...Iím wondering if heís one of the idiots you refer to or not
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I don't need to. You need to take your head out of the sand
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Which race was it that you know are the most stupid?

Because you are implying that the most stupid race is down to a majority bad parenting, so that race has inferior parenting as a result of race?

I know exactly what you mean but youíre ignoring the fact there are external factors to all of it and solely saying itís race related that there is bad parenting, lack of ambition, etc. On the majority of course not everyone.
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Showing your ignorance again scozza

Try getting off your arse and educating yourself about the terms 'coloureds' and 'black'
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Iím still wondering if misspelling my username everytime you type it is intentional or not. Canít quite figure it out

Really?!
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Talking about idiots, do you understand what I have wrote?

As in their parents have not brought them up correctly, no ambition, no schooling etc. etc. so you could.class them as idiots?
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You can see the pattern Wayne, bit of a joke really isnt it

Few posts ago we could not refer to people by the colour of their skin, then Mal mentions, dare I say it, black teacher

Just admit it Wayne all white people are racists, that's what they want you to say
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Iím still wondering if misspelling my username everytime you type it is intentional or not. Canít quite figure it out.

Scozza said he Ďknows who are they areí when referring to stupidity:race data and they get it from their parents. Implies it is genetics which define your intelligence and a certain race is genetically inferior. Iím only asking to clarify what he means. Why is that such a bad thing?
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Greetski, you must be a casual racist.......
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I think we all get what youíre trying to say but in saying it you defined idiots by colour and seemingly ignored my post asking if you think white people are genetically more intelligent going by what youíd said. That doesnít really help the case youíre trying to make
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You defined the idiots by colour.

There are opportunities in the UK but not the same level for all and unfortunately for some it's skin colour that is used to suppress opportunity.

I've my own experience of KFC and EDL which I've mentioned before. The blame game appeared to be that all of their problems were the fault of the young asian girls in front of them

And I see beyond my toes. Even through this mass of hair....

And the white lives matter guff just shows your lack of understanding
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When you cannot see beyond your toes, probably.so, sadly

Agree

I could.make the claim WLM based on their social circumstances

That why the reality is, all lives matter. Let's not even start on the homeless, very sad that
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TBH Chris I think that scenario might cloud the issue for Mal rather than clarify it?


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I think that's the problem he's trying so hard to put things right it's blinkering him?
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He does not need to. He is looking at it from an oppressed black position only and we are simply not in that place anymore. It's a free country the UK there's opportunities for all, if they REALLY want them. For the 100th time...

The problems is, it's.far too easy to make excuses and blame everything else
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I will try another perspective to see if you can read between the lines. Let's try the KFC scenario where all the TR fans were one day when I went in handing leaflets out and been a bunch of ****s in general. They think there are no jobs because of coloured folk taking them and coloured folk taking over our society and taking all their options away. It's their fault, the colured folk, we don't want them here

So stupid white skinny drug taker with his staffy. Who fault is it really, people.taking his job or is there another reason?

Could it be his own fault, could.it be his upbringing? Could it be his lack of ambition, skills, education, maybe it's because he is white?

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You still don't get it do you.
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I have already explaind it before, you have either not read it or its not.sunk in

As I was reading Mal's post I was thinking exactly that, Mal why aren't you understanding what Scoz is saying!
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If you are on about idiots regardless of colour then don't repeatedly define them by colour.

The same crap? Racial equality? Sorry if that's crap to you.

How dare I what?
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I know who would come out on top.
Is it white people...because I know plenty more white idiots than I do of other colours.

Or are you saying people with non-white skin are genetically less intelligent than white people?
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I have already explaind it before, you have either not read it or its not.sunk in. Yes, prefrence to the minoroties to be politically correct. Fact

And you still keep banging on about the same crap, I'm on about idiots, regardless of colour. Wish i had kept stats on idiots and race now. I know who would come out on top. And guess what, it's their parents and their fault, so guess what, you get what you get. Do you still want to blame everybody else and make up pathetic excuses for them?

Just like the successful black teachers (how dare you) you mention, they have got off the arses and done something about it, respect to them, they could have just sat around on their arse all day and complained that it's everybody else's fault, ****ing idiots
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To have a meritocracy you first must have equality. Quota systems have been used to good effect to kick the door in on equality but a long way to go yet.
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You don't understand the process of recruitment if you think that employers are taking on unqualified applicants just because of colour. A company will not be compelled to employ a 'quota' of BAME if there are no suitable applicants. So.... not exactly that at all.

And as already said, being not good at your job, or lazy, or any other negative trait is NOT down to skin colour. If that were so then exactly the same reasoning could be applied to the the lazy and ineffective white blokes out there couldn't it? Or is that something else that's not an issue where you live...?

People are idiots for a reason? What is it then? You seem to be saying it's skin colour even though that's not a problem for you.

'Let them all be teachers' - who's 'them'? You're too easy with the them and us rhetoric scozza. That's the years of lazy race inequality in our society showing through. Maybe something needs doing about it eh?

There are plenty of brilliant black teachers. In spite of some absolutely shocking discrimination they might have faced (a report in my union newsletter just this week if you want to read it). I'm sure there are a few awful white teachers out there. But not because they are white.

No comment on the comparison made with female police officers? Try using all the negative comments you've made but replacing colour with gender and your workplace with the Police force and discuss it with your wife to see what she responds with.
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Then surely thatís it not a reflection on the people employed, but the employee choosing the wrong people.

I agree, should be employed and paid based on your capabilities, not colour, gender, knowing the right people, etc. Equality.
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Exactly that

Lets set them all on in Mals, field, let them all be teachers, oh, wait a minute, they cant do it, they don't have the capabilty or right attitude for starters...

There are idiots in this life and they are idiots for.a reason

Lets try and reducate the UK again when they have already had one crack at it or most likely did not give a ****
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Poor training from your employer is more likely as a suggested reason.

We don't work at Scozza's company Mal but my guess is that in attempt to redress the balance with positive discrimination they've employed the wrong people, perhaps there wasn't enough suitable BAME applicants for the job but in attempt to do the right thing they employed them anyway?
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Poor training is not the problem, they have not got the relevant qualificatiins to start with, certain skills can be taught and that is open to all, whether they can do it is another story, another massive one, communications and an even bigger one, attitude towards work but more importantly towards others, some of them have a very ****ing bad attitude problem
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I donít get offended but thanks all the same......
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You're right.

Apologies to any pound shop owners out there if I offended you.
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Scozza I do think that colour of skin is not an issue for you - But is is a huge issue for many others.

It's an issue for people of colour every day.

And unfortunately it's a different kind of issue for white right wing supremacists in a different way.

Positive discrimination only exists to redress imbalances. That applies to gender too. Imagine someone assuming your wife was a less effective police officer just because she's female.

Your idea of a totally level playing field for all is exactly what BLM is really about. A kind of utopia I suppose...

As for 'why's that then?' - it's absolutely NOT because of the colour of their skin. Poor training from your employer is more likely as a suggested reason.
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Yes Nike are probably the most hypocritical of the lot. But Fedex has said the same and also the federal government that own the land the stadium is built on have said they canít rebuild it as planned until itís changed. Positive movement.
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Maybe take a directive to employ or support Native American communities or something

Perfect

But letís look at the facts. Nike donít really give a **** do they, otherwise they wouldnít be paying peanuts to people in third world countries to produce their goods

I can hear it now, ah, but they are providing jobs for people in third world countries. The reality is they could be American jobs. Itís down to the third world countries governments to sort out their problems.

Fact number 1, Nike are only bothered about their public perception and branding and need to be seen as politically correct like a lot of large corporations, load of bollox really. What they should be asking Nike is why are they banging on about native Americans when they are exploiting people in third world countries and the answer would be they are probably paying the government a nice wedge for the pleasure

Edit - One for Jon, he mentioned it a while ago and he is right

By 2017, American companies had put at least $2.6 trillion into offshore tax shelters. President Donald Trump, when arguing for his sweeping tax reform bill, claimed the actual number is $5 trillion.

If the companies ever decide to move the money back onshore, the IRS can levy taxes on it. But until recently, most companies had no intention of doing so. The offshore investments became known as ďpermanently reinvested earnings.Ē

By the end of 2017, Nike had $12.2 billion in permanently reinvested earnings. The company estimates that if its $12.2 billion was repatriated to the U.S., it would owe $4.1 billion in U.S. taxes, according to its SEC filings.

ďDesignating its profits this way allows the company to avoid paying even a dime of U.S. income taxes on these profits until they are repatriated to the U.S.,Ē said Matt Gardner, a senior fellow at the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.


Howís that for Nike. Imagine what you could do with that $

Not to mention screwing Indonesia down to pay less than there set minimum wages, again and again and again

Quite ethical eh. BLM
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Can Always rely on you for the insults Mallory.......
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Just to sidebar slightly. The Washington redskins NFL team is being renamed. Nike and other sponsors have cut ties until they do. Native Americans are offended. No idea what theyíll rebrand as but it would be nice To see it not move far and pay homage. Renamed the natives or something and retain logos, etc as it would be in tribute to them not an offensive name. Maybe take a directive to employ or support Native American communities or something.
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"Wayne can't change his mind - the pound shop won't take it back... It's not their fault he got one that was too small"

Rotten sods - it's unused!
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I understand that Jon
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As in black people, white people, yellow people?

Funny, because I worked for a Japanese company for 20 years

I get it

Japanese
Chinese
African
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Good on ya Scozza, the point is, not everyone is like you.

As far as I can see, the BLM movement is asking for nothing more than this:

Colour of the skin does not matter to me at all Mal, can they do the job or not, end of story


All the ******** about cancelling the police etc was said by some daft BLM extremist and grabbed by the statue defenders as evidence that it's all nonsense.
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People maybe?
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Colour of the skin does not matter to me at all Mal, can they do the job or not, end of story.

How should I refrain to people with, dare I say it, not white coloured skin?

Unfortunately you're blissfully unaware that is exactly what the BLM movement is saying too but from a point of view that has had to put up with skin colour beige used as a barrier for too long.

You can have whatever skin colour you like you still have to have the skills and capability to do a job and hold a job and a lot who I have had dealings with simply do not

Question, whyís that then?
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Totally

Biased
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Thank you for that valuable insight and a reminder of the word 'coloureds' for the casual racists to use


You actually make a good point at the end. Unfortunately you're blissfully unaware that is exactly what the BLM movement is saying too but from a point of view that has had to put up with skin colour being used as a barrier for too long.
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To be honest Scozza, that's evidence of your employers' HR depts being **** more than anything else.
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2. Make our own laws and abias towards black people.

3. Continual reminder of history and the fact White people should pay for it for years to come.


Our laws, correct, abide by them

Some people will NEVER be happy Wayne not matter what you do. That is a FACT

And like you mention about jobs, I mentioned earlier that I worked for a couple of companyís that like to promote diversity for their own political place in the business environment and if Iím an totally honest they have set some proper coloured ****ing idiots on, proper, to keep things nice and fluffy, same with a few white folk two but not on the scale of comparison to the number of coloureds

Skin colour SHOULD never, ever, get a look in or ever be a consideration when employing people it should be experience, skills and qualification based ffs!
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Yep, Michelle has a wanger.......
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Plenty of evidence he is...I mean his son Eric got stung trying to insinuate the Clintons were involved as Ghislaine was at their daughters wedding and twitter replied with 15 years worth of pictures of Trump with her and Epstein... sheís cooperating with the FBI so thereís going to be some serious **** hitting the fan pretty soon.
like I said look into OPSdeatheaters
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Amazes me the idiots on here sometimes, Not only do they talk sh&te they are fluent in it.
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I expect some people think David Starkey used to be in that American police thing, driving fast down alleyways full of rubbish in a big red car with his mate Hutch.
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errr.....

wiki?


facebook?


that bloke in the pub again?

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But Mal, if the people who wrote the books are wrong then why is it that the people who donít read books are wrong?
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My view changes as the facts do. Helps me catch plenty of fish too. No-one is beyond education, not even you
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Wayne can't change his mind - the pound shop won't take it back... It's not their fault he got one that was too small




so - back on thread topics...

'Rewriting history' is a term that people have been using a lot. There's a famous quote about history being 'written by the victorious' (maybe paraphrased slightly).

If British history has been written by people like this (and it HAS) then it's worth having a fresh look at things...

https://news.sky.com/story/david-starkeys-so-many-damn-blacks-comment-is-indefensible-12020107

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No changing my mind Ocelot......I see the world in one way, you see it in another, Others see it in another........Its what makes this thread great fun........
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The narrow ideological space you occupy will continue to contract. No-one will slate you when you change your mind.
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Whats good for the goose is good for the gander............

You stay in Utopia Mal.........Such a lovely place in your own head........

Yep, Michelle has a wanger........
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Maybe we should ask for an utter c*ckwomble icon as well....

Would definitely come in handy

Wayne. As ever you are deluded. BLM Is no more a far left terrorist organisation than your beloved Tory party is a far right terrorist organisation. Although I can see how you might have come to that conclusion as finding one example to suit your argument and then saying 'they're all the same' does fit your usual modus operandi....


What next? Obama married a man?

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Yes it is.

Look at the demands.........

1. End the war on black people.

2. Reparations for past and continuing harms.

3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.

4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.

5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.

6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.

Or in simple terms.....

1. Defund the police until they can be resumed with Black police officers ONLY

2. Make our own laws and abias towards black people.

3. Continual reminder of history and the fact White people should pay for it for years to come.

Plenty more demands coming through to, Take a knee.........My arse!!!
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Where's that sarcastic smiley when we need it?

Thread is back on track but unfortunately for the wrong reasons
You're right Mal. No it isn't
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No. It isn't
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Yep, picked there side and hope it kicks Them in the arse!! Thats the problem nowadays, you have to pick a side and back it or change your mind and then be slated for moving camps........

greetski, trump ainít no fiddler, But exposing them gets labelled as fake news by the machine........

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Times are definitely changing then with the England cricket team wearing a far left terrorist organisation emblem on their shirts
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Good to see BLM being recognised as far left terrorist organisation........
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I hope so but I doubt he has got the wherewithal to do that.
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he'll be trawling through your old posts to reply with kn*bhead responses before you know it....

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Good job I donít really care what you think then ainít it
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Greekskii - I just come here because I love reading your posts, they just make me realise how clever I am!

Just keep posting, post more if you can, as it's raining outside.

I must admit though when I read what you write, a little bit of sadness washes over me.. :( Hard to explain TBH.

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Youíre in to alternative looks on the world. OpDeathEaters is something you should look at. Trumps a kiddy fiddler too. Close to Epstein who was offed in prison to protect the seedy celeb fiddling ring.
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I assumed so.

We need that sarcastic smiley you suggested.

It would completely revolutionise the clarity of posts and improve the forum experience 1000%

Edit; Scozza, quite possibly
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Or maybe its because a lot of them are successful and make things happen in their lives?
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I'll come clean and be honest, I was only teasing as this thread has gone way off target as it is.

For the record I praised Keir Starmer the other day and that got slated that as well.



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FFS, what has the bloke that makes Johnson look a bumbling ******** every Wednesday got to do with it?

Start a politics thread.
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No Keir will see to that
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Arrest imminent?
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Biden the wrong un kiddie fiddler...... great choice For POTUS......
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I blame Jordan Peterson....
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Is it because anti-Semitism, like all forms of racism, is still alive and well in the heads of the small-minded, and the internet allows them to wind each other up, making a bad situation worse?
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Persecution, persecution, and they have been sadly, to unbelievable extents which is disgraceful for the world and humanity sadly and we canít never forget!

Today though, not anymore. If the truth be know, they are hated by a lot of people in a lot of countries, I wonder why?
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What's worrying is you're the sort of rubberhead that thinks they are ffs. As bad as anti semitism
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Can I present the trophy to ocelot or does it need to be a pink haired crazy liberal?
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Yes typical reply beauty man game set and match
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Are British Jews Israeli?
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but isn't a healthy and happy Jewish community in the UK multiculturalism? - which of course hasn't worked?

you don't half talk some pish
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Yes I knew you would come round good enough for the UK good enough for isreal Nice one
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I doubt I'd want you explaining history to anyone. Lots of Jewish people live happily in the UK and know our history.
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Haha beauty man lovin it
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for a moment I thought you were serious there...



do you do any routines about mother - in - laws? 'my fat wife'? how dogs lick their privates?


oh - and apparently you're the go to guy for hair dye in pastel shades...?
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Itís funny how history changes and whatís thought of history, if I had to explain the British history to a Jewish person and say to him these guys are telling you how you should control your country and you are All horrible people what would he say. in a very difficult situation where no one seems to want to back down and agree to something as well as keeping good faith to build on peaceful living this conflict will carry on, itís not right they take land and say itís thereís how dare they the British have never done that the Dutch the French the Germans never Would they do such a thing the British take land and kill people start unwanted wars Sell arms to start wars never. the British have been involved and they have done a great job in helping the situation over the years the British are The people we need to listen To they have a great history of living side by side with other countryís that neighbor them the hospitality and kindness that the British have showen the Scottish and the Irish Over the years, yes itís the British people we need to Listen to.
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Itís the western worlds democracy on the Arabs doorstep and it expanding rapidly
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Great article, clearly very knowledgeable on the subject.
You never know though the days of Trump/Netanyahu may be numbered. See if Biden/Gantz can get something moving.
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Yep , the USA as an honest peace broker is on a same level as that of Blair's position as middle east peace envoy , was this gesture made to antagonize , you could not make it up !
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I'm finding out a fair bit from this current discussion.

Found this article interesting

https://newint.org/features/2019/12/18/us-no-honest-broker-israel-and-palestine

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ďnation-state of the Jewish people,Ē

That's what happens when you go down a religious state route and mix in nationalism. Shocking in my view when it was proposed. Appalling piece of legislation.
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I think you need help !
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Might sound democratic , but it is far from being democratic , the main Jewish political groups have both ruled out a coalition with any Arab partners , their vote is virtually meaningless , and after recent Knesset legislation which defines itself as the ďnation-state of the Jewish people,Ē instead of the state of all its citizens, as typically practiced in a democratic country

The Nation-State Bill or the Nationality Bill, adopted by the Knesset on July 19, 2018 was meant precisely to prevent that possibility.

Likud member Amir Ohana, who is chairman for the committee that prepared the legal path for its passage, stated , ďThis is the law of laws. It is the most important law in the history of the State of Israel, which says that everyone has human rights, but national rights in Israel belong only to the Jewish people.



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Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me spanky, all this reading from online sources......
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   Old Thread  #1186 1 Jul 2020 at 5.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Arab Israeli's can and do vote in Israeli elections.
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   Old Thread  #1185 1 Jul 2020 at 5.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Israel is open to all , as long as your jewish , fair enough , i can understand that ! but if your a black jew you will be a second class citizen , it has become an apartheid state where the Palestinians are concerned , what they are doing to the Palestinians is unacceptable under any law , it is an illegal occupation ! they are deliberately creating an environment to make life impossible for the inhabitants , anyone who has bothered to look in depth at what is really happening there , should be shocked and feel a certain level of empathy for them unless your a twisted racist that is !
Maybe look into the massacre at Shatila and Sabra , or the US Liberty massacre and the attempted cover up , Israel can get away with murder , and they regularly do !
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   Old Thread  #1184 1 Jul 2020 at 5.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And #1182
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   Old Thread  #1183 1 Jul 2020 at 4.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could be anyone, just like saying it because it gets a reaction
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   Old Thread  #1182 1 Jul 2020 at 4.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm guessing Joe average is a gooner. ...

Or is that surname stereotyping?

I'll go have a word with myself
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   Old Thread  #1181 1 Jul 2020 at 4.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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sorry just had a word with Joe Average and he doesn't agree.

Carry on chaps let me know who ends up winning
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   Old Thread  #1180 1 Jul 2020 at 4.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Palestine and BLM stand together. Palestine back BLM and vice versa. So itís all been on topic.
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   Old Thread  #1179 1 Jul 2020 at 4.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good point

Commenting is still optional.

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   Old Thread  #1178 1 Jul 2020 at 4.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But you have to read it to see if we've got back on topic again.
Said it before create a political/history/superiority complex thread and fill your desert boots.

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   Old Thread  #1177 1 Jul 2020 at 3.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Of course reading it is still optional....
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   Old Thread  #1176 1 Jul 2020 at 3.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But donít people say if you donít like it, leave?
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   Old Thread  #1175 1 Jul 2020 at 3.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hasn't this thread run it's course.
Started about riots in another country and now turned into Something completely different.

You should all just go and join a political forum. Or better still go fishing and leave your phones at home
Get away from the forum for a few weeks
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   Old Thread  #1174 1 Jul 2020 at 2.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well that's a good start.... only half to go....
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Deleted half his post
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   Old Thread  #1172 1 Jul 2020 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pink hair dye?


Confused. ..

However if I can get some that would be great to cover the mass of grey I've got.
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If you defend yourself you are being attacked first...if you attack someone and call it self-defence even though you werent attacked that just means you attacked.

In any case, Palestine has the same right to defend it self as Israel does doesnt it?
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