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 #251 1 Jun 2020 at 7.53pm | |   |
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In reply to Post #250
Keebs - you may be able to identify with my experiences when I was younger
I was regularly stopped on my way home from gigs when I was in my late teens / early 20's. If we'd been playing in driving distance of home, I'd usually do that rather than stay over. Stopped so many times and breathalysed. Asked on numerous occasions about drug use and was there any illegal substance in my car. One officer levelled with me and said 'to be fair, with your long hair, you look the type'. Suspicion by appearance...
dial that up by about a million and we are still not getting close to what happens to young black men every day here and in way more serious events in the US with gun happy cops...
Here's something to think about - if George Floyd's murder hadn't been caught on camera, do you think we'd have even heard about it, or would the man that killed him still be on the lookout for his next target?
Only one person's life was at risk in that arrest.
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#250 1 Jun 2020 at 7.43pm | | |
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In reply to Post #248
" These officers got excited they were about to get a collar and couldn’t let their buzz go once they were wrong about it"
I've been in the same position in the frame for rape and murder! - it ain't fun when you can see that regardless of the truth it could still go either way - and I'm white!
Bad apples on both sides blur the lines.
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#249 1 Jun 2020 at 7.39pm | | |
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In reply to Post #248
Nice to see someone favours "innocent until proven guilty" over "no smoke without fire"
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#248 1 Jun 2020 at 7.33pm | | |
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In reply to Post #246
Yeah and it’s right. Had he not allegedly broken the law he wouldn’t have died. But it was the suspicion of the shop owner that caused it all. No one has yet confirmed if the $20 was fake or not. It’s still being referred to as an ‘alleged fake bill’ everywhere. How many times have you seen videos of who’re people calling the police on black people because of a suspicion. Look at the father and son who killed that guy because they thought he was a thief. What about the lady in the park when the black guy asked her to control her dog, I bet he feared for his life when she did. They both happened in the last month. All over our media. You can’t have missed them. Not every person that has the police confront them has committed a crime.
Take the time my brother was looking for cigarette filters in his glovebox, whilst sitting the passenger side of his car, it was 11:30pm and we were about to leave to head in to town. Police pull him over on suspicion of breaking in (fair enough) however after establishing it was his own vehicle they went on to accuse him of about to drink drive. Keys in his pocket and sitting in passenger side  I started laughing at them and asked for badge numbers and got threatened with arrest for some random public order offence. We tried to leave but they tried to stop us. They were very aggressive and physical the entire time, considering my brother is the most placid person known to man, a drunk me probably didn’t help cracking up over their stupidity.
I dread to think what a black person would have been subject to. These officers got excited they were about to get a collar and couldn’t let their buzz go once they were wrong about it. My brother didn’t get the full stop and search or car search but I bet a black person would have done.
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#247 1 Jun 2020 at 7.23pm | | |
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In reply to Post #246
Agree. If you watch a lot of the American police documentaries they deal with guns all the times and lots of officer have been shot. There are questions about how with was dealt with, without doubt. I do not believe kneeling on someone’s neck is standard protocol. They tend to make them lay down, crawl onto they so they are close to their body and they cannot pull a gun on them. It’s a sad state of affairs but of your life depends on it, then needs are a must  
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#246 1 Jun 2020 at 6.33pm | | |
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In reply to Post #242
mostly law abiding
Well I do sometimes do 33 in 30mph area and I have taken pens and paper from work 
I can understand the innocent being stopped and harassed for their colour bit but even though it was low crime over a fake $20 note this man broke the law and the police were called.
We all agree what has happened after was tragic and unnecessary but had he not broke the law the police would have not been called.
I hope that comes across the way it's intended.
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#245 1 Jun 2020 at 5.33pm | | |
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In reply to Post #244
not at all. I've said all along the drastic response to it was borne out of the West's provocative response to when it appeared in China, all we got from our side of the world was slating then and slagging them off whilst arrogantly believing it somehow wouldnt get here. When it did they couldnt then tell us that it isn't a hysterics inducing issue could they.
My county has a 0.19% infection rate, 0.06% death rate. Now why should we be that worried?
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#244 1 Jun 2020 at 5.22pm | | |
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In reply to Post #243
CV is certainly not the scariest viral scenario on the planet 
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#243 1 Jun 2020 at 5.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #241
funnily enough I havent been on twitter for over a year, but I heard about the anonymous stuff leaks and hacking and logged on because facebook seemingly ignored it was all happening. (just seen your edit...plays in to that well doesnt it)
I was very deep in a hole looking at all this stuff, i was there when the DC blackout stuff came up, which was discredited after a few hours. Funnily enough the active anonymous account did an experiment with a tweet asking for it not to be retweeted or commented on or anything. 5,000 retweets later it was clear bots were all over any tweet it was posting.
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#242 1 Jun 2020 at 5.00pm | | |
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In reply to Post #239
As would I mate - but automatically being suspected of wrongdoing doesn't happen to us on a daily basis I guess.
We can't understand all of it. But - as I tell my students - we CAN understand injustice and unfairness, and we CAN support people's right to stand against both - and we CAN stand with them.
'mostly law abiding' ...? 
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#241 1 Jun 2020 at 4.55pm | | |
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In reply to Post #238
Nothing personal mate honest - just highlighting how readily people generally just pass this stuff on with no thought at all.
If you (anyone) are on Facebook, Twitter etc you are being manipulated constantly (“Not” at least got that right) by so many agendas - all targeted especially for you.
That has always gone on throughout history but my god how f-ing easy has Zuckerbergs box made it.
One big (spending majority?) basket of eggs.
You’ll have got that tweet because somewhere along the line you’ll have shown yourself as someone who would pass it on. Whoever originated it knew it was false so why? Because it suits someone’s agenda for disinformation to fudge the truth. Once the lawyers are involved all bets are off, 2 huge agendas there. There will be others too.
The truth isn’t suppressed any more because it will always out in the end
At one point the most powerful man in the world couldn’t even keep a cheeky BJ quiet, with only 2 people in the room!
The truth now is just part of an elaborate 3-card-trick - get it out there early on but surround it with enough contradicting, polarising but plausible conspiratorial options and even when it’s obvious, a big enough percentage will not believe it anyway. Job done.
Of course no-one wants to believe their opinions are not entirely theirs and get uppity when you call them out to save face(book)
EDIT
I refuse to believe that Zuckerberg has any control over Facebook whatsoever - he's a figurehead now.
There's a conspiracy theory for you 
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#240 1 Jun 2020 at 4.55pm | | |
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In reply to Post #239
I guess it depends on the interactions you have with police. I had a number of black friends from a rough area when I was teenager. Part and parcel of their life was being stopped and searched and treated guilty until proven innocent, even when crimes were not being committed and they weren’t criminals themselves. They just lived in that area. I’ve had plenty of negative interactions with the police and I’m not evidently of foreign heritage until you know my name.
I think all criminals know the risks of committing a crime, but let’s put it in to perspective. If you were caught speeding and pulled over, would you expect to be treated to a physical encounter with the police, car searched, checked over for faults, questioned about all manner of things OR would you expect to be issued a fine and let on your way? If you verbally refused to enter the police car would you expect to be thrown on the ground and handcuffed? OR would you expect to be dealt with by the roadside (remember it isn’t compulsory to even leave your own car, let alone enter a police vehicle unless you have been arrested).
Police brutality and power hungry actions aren’t limited to race, it’s anyone they want to inflict it on for whatever reason. I’ve been involved in incidents myself where power hungry police c*nts have reared their fat heads.
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#239 1 Jun 2020 at 4.41pm | | |
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In reply to Post #234
As you say being white I've never experienced it so I had a discussion about this with my 28 year old white daughter and she said some things that you refer to and I've tried to take them on board but as I'm mostly law abiding I understand that anyone and that means anyone that breaks the law has to accept there will be consequences.
If I got caught doing something wrong I would hold my hands up and go quietly.
Important note. That's not to say that the consequences this man suffered were in anyway justified.
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#238 1 Jun 2020 at 4.35pm | | |
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In reply to Post #237
I was deep in a hole on twitter at 1am keeping up to speed with the anonymous leaks. Don’t make me travel through thousands of tweets to find it.
If it’s wrong then it’s wrong. I’m just saying what I heard from a Minneapolis official (btw she’s black) stating it. A quick google
It only fuelled a theory that it there may have been history between the two. This is a conspiracy thread after all.
Fact remains a man was unlawfully killed by a police officer. Not sure why the focal point of it is that they worked together for a year or 17?
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#237 1 Jun 2020 at 4.17pm | | |
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No - you've assumed that was the only thing I read and used it to discredit the source rather than the information. A common tactic these days.
I read dozens, all saying the same thing.
I even posted "reading around"
Find me one report, anywhere that says anything other than the below.
Better still post your audio clip - contradicting every quote from Maya Santamaria.
Chauvin 17 years, Floyd about a year overlap.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/
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