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   Old Thread  #73 17 Sept 2021 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The thing kit will sky rocket due to Brexit fishing items will be
Seems as luxury items and we will have to pay premium prices for it. As for the quality of kit that will fall through the floor.

Happened in 2009 when the planet and first world economies suffered the recession cars went from reliable 20 plus years to 10. Engine blocks made after 2006 drastically went down hill so one has to ask what did they know that we didnít back them.

The public are always being conned
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   Old Thread  #72 17 Sept 2021 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I purchased a Nash Extreme Canopy from them took it back and got a red hot credit not there was no why I was going to wait to for them to go bump and decided to upgrade my Delkims which cost me a few quid to be honest. Worth while gamble the newer delks are great and the new smart alarm and Bivvy light are better cost me a few hundred quid but hey I could have lost £500
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   Old Thread  #71 17 Sept 2021 at 9.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíve payed full price for decades as long as the shop is decent I support the independent I go there for advice not that I havenít used the likes of Ericís etc IMO all those shops that offer discounts have a limited shelf life so yes AD will survive for some time yet however they will be their own worst enemy.

Iím trying to think of the first major company that got into bed with the insurance companyís and traded for 10 years plus then agent bump. They eventually sold seconds to try and remain afloat and Everyman and his dog questions that Imo they grew out of the market and became unsustainable. The tackle trade has always been a tricky one riding the waves as are pubs.

Volume over quality is a damming venture in this trade.
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   Old Thread  #70 17 Sept 2021 at 8.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Up until AD monopolistic takeover bargains where plentiful to the point that buying items from sale and clearance sections was done on a whim due to the sheer affordability of buying items purely to try or collect and if found undesirable sold on with little or no loss. When looking at the whole picture the effects of AD are quite sad and nefarious.
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   Old Thread  #69 17 Sept 2021 at 6.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I can't remember the last time I saw a genuine bargain price item in a tackle shop.
They all sell at full retail price unless an items discontinued then the large shops all sell at the same price anyway.
My local tackle shop sells everything at full retail price but gives 10% off to regulars. Which I think is fair.
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   Old Thread  #68 16 Sept 2021 at 10.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If the second hand market with collective effort started pricing more attractively with fellow anglers in mind it wouldn't take long for the overpriced commercial sector to offer genuinely fair pricing even returning to the now redundant sale and clearance offers the like of which Erics angling amongst many excelled at often being the only avenue open to new starters to actually purchase quality tackle. The fact is we have made it easy for AD to bend us over with no Vaseline and shaft us. Sorry Ice cube track running round my head so couldn't resist.
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   Old Thread  #67 16 Sept 2021 at 10.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's simple. Something is worth what people will pay for it. As long as there are people out there who will, for whatever reason, pay extortionate prices the sellers and businesses will keep taking their money. In the end its the buyers who are in control. If they won't buy, nobody will sell.
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   Old Thread  #66 16 Sept 2021 at 9.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I kind of agree with that but it's not the customers fault if the smaller companies can't compete price wise for the same item. Not saying it's just down to that alone but it's a big part of it if the price difference is incomparable. Especially when / if money is tight.
Obviously general economics has a massive effect.
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   Old Thread  #65 16 Sept 2021 at 6.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ultimately we are to blame for the demise of our local tackle shops, COVID not helped as a lot of small independent shops not geared up for doing business online.

Use them or loose them, itís that simple.
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   Old Thread  #64 16 Sept 2021 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I appreciate that, the only issue is that the manufacturers are backing AD,
E.g one order with pure fishing at the value of £300,000 +
Where as a smaller independent shop may put an order of maybe £2,000 at a push.

I can't remember exactly who it was but for some reason I'm thinking it was Preston/Avid (could be wrong), their stock numbers / SKU numbers were all over the place and too big so it was harder to order from and also harder for the company to check off and book in.
AD told them they need to change their numbers or they wouldn't stock/sell their items anymore... Yep, the company soon changed them and even asked how they wanted them to be to keep them happy.

I personally want smaller tackle shops but unfortunately I can only see it getting worse for them.
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   Old Thread  #63 15 Sept 2021 at 11.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I did something similar with a local shop that price matched. The Erics price to me for the Ultegra XTB 5500ís was about £2.50 less than he could buy them for, and during a sale Hull weíre able to sell me ISOís for less than the ex-VAT price he could buy them from Daiwa.

The shop told me that they made no money on rods and reels. The only profit came from end tackle, bait etc.

Crazy!
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   Old Thread  #62 15 Sept 2021 at 10.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The used 2nd hand market play into the hands of AD due to unrealistic greedy overvalued prices wanted by sellers where in a lot of cases it's only a few quid more to purchase brand new warranty backed items, basically until fools start selling used tackle for used prices it's more AD sales also similar fools who pay exuberant used prices fuelling the perfect storm for AD.
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   Old Thread  #61 15 Sept 2021 at 10.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Unless the manufacturers start backing them and no-one else I don't think AD have got the ability to completely kill off their competition, they are not good enough in a lot of departments...
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   Old Thread  #60 14 Sept 2021 at 11.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I used to work for AD, ( not in a shop )
Their main goal is to become #1 fishing retailer so they can control the market and dictate prices etc. It's a business after all.

Many years ago when the Daiwa castizm qda reels came out I wanted a set of three, as usual I worked out my staff price and went to my local tackle shop to see if I could get a deal on a set of three, I'd do this as the owner of the small shop was a friend of a friend so would prefer to purchase from him if he could get anywhere near my staff price....
Unfortunately he wasn't able to get close to the price and I couldn't afford to purchase said reels from him, he totally understood and was fine with that, especially when he asked how much I could purchase them for with my staff price. He said he couldn't even purchase two of them straight from Daiwa at trade price for what I was getting three for.

This was quite a few years ago now and from what I hear things aren't getting any easier from their "competition"

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   Old Thread  #59 6 Aug 2021 at 10.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just before Erics went I got AD to price match their Shimano LC Medium baitrunners. I paid about £122, and look at the price now
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