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   Old Thread  #149 17 Apr 2020 at 7.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bit OTT there mate. Take a chill pill.
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   Old Thread  #148 16 Apr 2020 at 8.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That is the reply I was looking for!!!
There you go, Iím obviously talking to either a disgruntled fishery owner or a keyboard warrior who lives with his Mum.
As for manning up, per your request, believe me mate, you wouldnít say that to my face, or to a group of Carp anglers from Sheffield who just lost their hard earned money!!!!
If you had an ounce of intelligence, youíd be renamed at best as Ďfuktardí!
The fact that you have not read properly the messages before this one, with some scope and detail, tells me a lot about you. Per the last message I just posted;
Shall I break it down for you once more, I think so!
MOST fisheries are happy to either refund your deposits in full, or use those deposits to book a future trip at the same venue ASAP. This is called good business practices, displaying loyalty, compassion and respect to the very client that enables them to have a business year in year out.
If a venue states it will not use the deposit for a future booking, and that the deposit is lost because the angler was not able to attend, this is simply, robbing the angler of money, given the crisis!
By the way; just because terms and conditions are displayed before A booking Is made stating this, that and the other, does not mean in any way those terms are bound by law, being adheres to, or even legal under trading standards.
Also; in this world of Carp Angling, it is relations that assist the merry go round of anglers, lakes, tackle and bait! As for insurance, most people do not take out Insurance until The final balance is due, usually 8 weeks prior to the trip.
For the purpose of this demonstration, letís say you had to pay your balance March 1st, for a trip may 11th, where a deposit of 50% was paid 6 Months prior.
You are now not going to pay your balance, because there IS NO trip!! You are locked down!!
Therefore, and again, so you can understand this.
There would be no insurance in place!
So; if I booked a trip last year, arranged my insurance cover to start from the date of balance Settlement, then there is no cover. In this case, the fishery owner should be compassionate, and use those deposits for a future booking.
Is that simple enough for you ?
I wonít answer your messages again, simply because I think your ****er!





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   Old Thread  #147 16 Apr 2020 at 8.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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In these circumstances it is not so black and white Croc....
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   Old Thread  #146 16 Apr 2020 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So that is YOUR problem..... I bet you and many others have not even given a thought to taking insurance for trips booked , particularly if booked as part of a group.

You are not doing it right . Ö. and then crying that it is down to somebody else to pick up the pieces.

EVERY holiday you book , be it fishing , Spain with the wife , skiing Ö...offers you insurance or advises you take insurance out elsewhere to cover travel / no show ...whatever.

I bet you a pound to a piece of sh!t that all these people without the correct insurance , will just carry on regardless booking trips and thinking ...it won't happen again.

Man up it is whoever booked the trip that has failed.

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   Old Thread  #145 16 Apr 2020 at 7.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Firstly; This is not about fault!
If I had a business where I had to rely upon withholding clients money in the event of a business catastrophe, then I have failed my clients, in this case, anglers.
In most cases; itís totally understandable to keep the deposits, but, they should be used for future bookings.
The deposit Funds should not simply be used to quantify managing a business through a tough time, this is unacceptable, a false economy and bad practice.
In fact, if you wish to get legal, you should not spend, allocate or disperse deposits until you have fulfilled the agreed contract the funds are for.
IE: someone may wish to cancel, therefore, those funds should be readily available to refund back.
Most fisheries have excellent relations with their anglers, and in most cases, things like this can be arranged in a sensible, amicable manner, for both parties.
But for fisheries who have little, or no compassion & respect for anglers money, or loss, these fisheries ought to be exposed.
Why?
So that anglers in the future, CAN make an informed decision in the future, as to where they spend this hard earned money.
Iíll end with this:
The above words do not associate to well managed, respectful and decent fisheries.
The words above relate to those at the opposite end of that spectrum!
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   Old Thread  #144 16 Apr 2020 at 7.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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a lot of fishery owners make a living out of there business not a killing how are they meant to manage with no anglers money coming in if they refund everyone its hardly there fault either
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   Old Thread  #143 16 Apr 2020 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíll put like this:
Itís the right thing to do..
And for those who do not, where fishery owners keep funds, knowing the angler looses money, they will not be in business long..
word gets around, simple as that. Shame on them during a crisis.
& by the way; you canít get insurance to cover a scenario like this! It all comes under act of god!
Most fisheries have done exactly what should be done, return deposits, or use those deposits to book a trip later in the year, or the following year, not in 2023!!!!
Does that answer the question!!!!
Itís called respect, honour, loyalty and compassion.

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   Old Thread  #142 16 Apr 2020 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Andy Carper 82 Did your deposit get swapped over to your new date????
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   Old Thread  #141 16 Apr 2020 at 6.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have been reading a few posts elsewhere and it seems that some people are having problems with insurance
One of the reasons being the border was not closed and other are saying that there are all sorts of terms that mean they are not covered
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   Old Thread  #140 16 Apr 2020 at 6.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It is in my, and probably everyoneís else view, completely working to withhold people money, or not offer to use that money for a future trip. Itís disgusting!
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   Old Thread  #139 16 Apr 2020 at 6.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím no lawyer, but surely Ribiere is not entitled to funds without fulfilling some alternative means for taking the money.
Either way, all other fisheries have either refunded the money or offered dates late in the year, with the deposits from cancelled trips, due to the lockdown.
Iíd be interested to see your mates message on here.. Fisheries like this need to be exposed.
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   Old Thread  #138 16 Apr 2020 at 6.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is that travel insurance you buy??? So do I but just before I go not 3 years in advance when the trip is booked.
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   Old Thread  #137 16 Apr 2020 at 6.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Friend of mine is due out at Riberie on 9th May, the lockdown is in force until at least the 11th May, he received a mail from Riberie stating that if hes not there by the 11th May thats 3 days into his 7 day trip so giving him 4 days fishing, he will lose his deposit. I believe if the travel ban was lifted the earliest he would be able to travel would be the 12th. Hes a regular who has supported Riberie since David bought it.
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   Old Thread  #136 16 Apr 2020 at 6.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How much 'good will' can a fishery give.
I am failing to see why people expect the lakes to pay out.
You book your trip you take insurance OR NOT !!!

Where is the incentive for people to take insurance in the future

More interesting would be Ö how many of these anglers actually have the insurance in place ??

As stated previously , I have had one English venue keep the deposit because I refused to pay the balance and then have to claim on my insurance if we were still prevented from travel.

And my French trip has insurance in place ÖÖÖÖ I pay the insurance (bank ) and I go to them to refund me Ö..simples
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   Old Thread  #135 16 Apr 2020 at 5.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Messaged him but heard nothing back yet.
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