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   Old Thread  #3409 11 Jul 2020 at 11.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If a changing environment/ ecology is the trigger for dormant viruses we're in the ****.
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   Old Thread  #3408 11 Jul 2020 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I find it difficult to believe that the virus has been dormant in waste water across the world and then by chance it was all activated across the world at the same time. More like the virus was deposited into waste water by carriers of the virus.
I've got no problem accepting the virus may have been around longer than we first thought though.
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   Old Thread  #3407 11 Jul 2020 at 10.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #3406 11 Jul 2020 at 10.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting article in The Brussels Times LINK, there was an article about this in the Telegraph but that's behind a paywall, this gives you the gist though
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   Old Thread  #3405 11 Jul 2020 at 10.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If it was so prevalent around the world it should be being picked up in the antibody testing.
I read an article the other day that Tokyo has had 0.038% positive antibody results, 0.02% in Osaka. Spain under 5%. Germany has battered the testing and 200k positive out of 84 million people.
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   Old Thread  #3404 10 Jul 2020 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There have been more than a few suggestions that this was the mystery virus that decimated the touring England squad in South Africa at the start of the year.

When you see mentions that 80 odd percent of cases have no symptoms, and for a long time only the most serious cases were actually being tested, should we multiply the mid April numbers by 10 to have a better idea of the real scale?
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   Old Thread  #3403 10 Jul 2020 at 6.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mum was seriously ill over Christmas running til after New Year,she is convinced that she had it too.I have told her go get the test too
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   Old Thread  #3402 10 Jul 2020 at 10.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Both my aged parents (92 and 87) had severe flu symptoms in December, they both described it as the worse 3 weeks of illness they both have ever had and my mother when younger spent 6 weeks in hospital with rheumatic fever.

My father 6 weeks into the lockdown had 2 stays in hospital with heart failure. In total he had 6 CV tests and was negative every time. This was in QE2 hospital which had loads of CV patients and has since had numerous nurse/carer visits at home although they are now over. They are both convinced they had it in December, Hacking/severe coughing fits, temperature swings, exhaustion and my father still has a loss of smell and taste since December, though this is gradually coming back now. It was suggested by 1 nurse that he have the antibody test whilst he was in Hospital but this didn't happen.

So draw your own conclusions as this will never be proved one way or another!
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   Old Thread  #3401 10 Jul 2020 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thereís been some cases where patients DONT produce antibodies. Or if they do they only last a month or so.
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   Old Thread  #3400 10 Jul 2020 at 9.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's still 'could' 'would' and 'maybe'.

I personally think it appears to have spread around the World so quickly because it's actually been around a lot longer than they make out and went unchecked and only became a recognised thing earlier this year, imagine all that World travel going on during that period!. I'm convinced I picked it up in the US in January and know a few people who went to the Docs before Xmas showing all the signs but they didn't know what it was at the time. Andy Gill (from Gang of Four) and his tour manager became ill after touring China in November, unfortunately Gill later died LINK
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   Old Thread  #3399 9 Jul 2020 at 10.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He said , they were ill in start of March , had the test last week !
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   Old Thread  #3398 9 Jul 2020 at 10.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can test positive for Covid19 but not have antibodies yet. Antibodies often not present until the patient has recovered.
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   Old Thread  #3397 9 Jul 2020 at 10.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!


at last .


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   Old Thread  #3396 9 Jul 2020 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Joiner , who i know well , told me today that , his wife knows someone who tested positive for c19 but didn't believe it and had the antibody test which came back negative , something ain't right !
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   Old Thread  #3395 9 Jul 2020 at 6.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If only there was an appetite for a form of QE that could go directly to people who would spend the money and help create jobs. Fairer taxation of unearned income would be a good idea if they want to avoid unemployment but thatís not going to happen either, so there will be millions of unemployed just as we head towards the no-deal disaster and a climate crisis.
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