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   Old Thread  #3600 3 Aug 2020 at 7.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Assumptions plenty of those about, something I think we all do. Good post
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   Old Thread  #3599 3 Aug 2020 at 6.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Claiming there havenít been spikes of infections is really an assumption. Those places and events would generally have been attended by those likely to be asymptomatic/untested and largely unaffected by the virus, maybe the sensibility of older generations and those with underlying conditions has kept hospitalisation and deaths in decline? Plus the wearing of masks, which although a bit late in the day and from what Iím seeing is only about 50-75% adhered to depending where in London, Kent or Essex Iíve been, could help put the brakes on.
The truth is we couldnít enforce a lockdown and even if we did, hospitals and care homes would still have been spreading it to the old and medically susceptible.
I wonder how many hospitalisations occur annually in the time we have been keeping tabs on covid admissions; for heart failure, terminal illnesses and bad falls?
Superbugs never seem to leave hospitals en masse, weíve had it at our local.
Iím not saying there isnít transmission in the community, of course there is.
But we canít just blame political ineptitude, the thing that spread this (globally) is ignorance and/or arrogance in the worldwide community and unprepared health care services.
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   Old Thread  #3598 3 Aug 2020 at 3.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mr Accurate you couldn't believe how much that post made me chuckle thank you
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   Old Thread  #3597 3 Aug 2020 at 3.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like where to drop a rig accurate
Grow up and cheer up Slow Bob.
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   Old Thread  #3596 3 Aug 2020 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #3595 3 Aug 2020 at 1.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I won't be drawn into another tit for tat so will be ignoring you until your posts are more accurate.
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   Old Thread  #3594 3 Aug 2020 at 12.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A mass lockdown of public places till they're proven to be ready to open safely for the public?
Thought we lifted lockdown restrictions at the right time...
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   Old Thread  #3593 3 Aug 2020 at 12.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You think alot of things that aren't the case.
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   Old Thread  #3592 3 Aug 2020 at 12.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I actually think we're more in agreement than not Bob - we're all working on opinion and personal experience right now because there are no definitive answers (although there are a LOT of statistics! )

a few stories that caught my eye - please excuse my sources and the sheer bulk of them but I'm billy no mates for a while...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12293024/preston-nightclub-switch-lancashire-reopens-government-ban-coronavirus/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - just along the M65 from Blackburn and Darwen...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12294273/brighton-brawl-seafront-drinkers-beach-coronavirus/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - antisocial distancing?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12294881/fight-flight-ibiza-drunk-brit-refuse-wear-masks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - and another...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12295524/boris-johnson-young-people-social-distancing-lockdown/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - over 50's locked in?!?!? Who's running the businesses / schools then?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/12279662/eat-out-help-out-everything-you-need-to-know/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - nothing to worry about here....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/02/kfc-wetherspoons-shut-branches-staff-get-coronavirus-13071517/?ito=push-notification&ci=26123&si=9412819 - or is there?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/02/hundreds-queue-heathrow-social-distancing-13071708/?ito=push-notification&ci=26134&si=9412819 - at least the travel industry will be ok...

edit - sorry, another one just popped up. looks like you cockernees might be next....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/03/plans-seal-off-london-event-another-coronavirus-spike-13075526/?ito=push-notification&ci=26258&si=9412819



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   Old Thread  #3591 3 Aug 2020 at 12.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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but to get things under control quickly pubs in the areas we are referring to should be closed unless they can prove they are practising SD to the very highest standard.

Not just pubs, all businesses and local gathering places. It would have been difficult to roll out but having an inspection before being allowed to open and regular monitoring needs to happen otherwise there is no control over it.

If this is solely, as Hancock insinuates, down to families meeting up then it makes no sense, how are you more at risk of meeting your 5 family members than going to a packed pub or to the packed beach, or to celebrate liverpool win the league?

Honestly, the spikes of doom they feared would come as a result of protests, beaches, football celebrations, etc. havent happened. Localised increases have, now is that because like Leicester they started testing more people? because everything re-opened? because those places maybe hadnt had a lot of cases already so it's a larger % increase than other areas? Don't forget the data the decisions are based off has been repeatedly found to be flawed in numerous ways. As Trump said "We test so much of course we find large numbers of cases, if we stopped we wouldnt have any" probably the only sensible thing he's said tbh. The Government were so proud of 'ramping up testing' whilst coinciding it with re-opening things...of course more cases will be found. That's just simple logic, dont need to pin the blame on anyone specific which they seem to be doing.
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   Old Thread  #3590 3 Aug 2020 at 11.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When it's all over they'll be plenty of people with hindsight who will have claimed to have said 'told you so'

I could pick flaws in your analysis Mal (but that would be only IMO)but to get things under control quickly pubs in the areas we are referring to should be closed unless they can prove they are practising SD to the very highest standard.
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   Old Thread  #3589 3 Aug 2020 at 11.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I thought you had the last word the other day
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   Old Thread  #3588 3 Aug 2020 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Definitely not trying to shield anyone tinhead - if only we flippin could eh?

Hancock claimed the rise was directly attributed to people visiting family and friends in homes and I fail to see how he can state that as the reason whilst ignoring the other factors - especially the pubs and the like as we've all seen the examples of how that has panned out.

The virus doesn't just spread from like to like in terms of ethnicity. It's entirely possible that one of the drunk lads in the pub on my corner then went to the Spar and was served by the Asian lad I know who works there, passing on the virus. (And yes this could have happened the other direction too of course)
the factors concerning family life and multi generational living then come into play. And on top of that the possibility of the genetic issues that we've already posted about.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think he's gone far enough if this is about protecting health. If it is that serious then shut the pubs, restaurants and hairdressers again. But that is money related so he didn't.

I've taken this seriously from the off and I know there are no fix all solutions. I just don't think this one has been called right. Maybe hindsight will show me different though eh?

Have a good day man. I'm off out for my walkies
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   Old Thread  #3587 3 Aug 2020 at 11.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"Each man has his price Bob and yours was pretty low."
Quite apt Keebs
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