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   Old Thread  #3921 14 Sept 2020 at 1.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly, you have to vote but BJ came across better especially as he was seen to want Brexit done rather than the rest blocking and delaying it for 3 years which is a whole different discussion and could have been avoided if this goverment and labour before them made immigration far more difficult from the EU and the ROW

As for Covid, With what the government now know, to me itís simple. Shield the care homes, shield the elderly, people with serious underlying health conditions and go for herd immunity........

Vaccines should be for the above people like the Flu jab........

Vaccines do work for lots of illnesses but I donít like the fact since vaccines have become more widespread so has Autism in children tenfold!! Coincidence or related??
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   Old Thread  #3920 14 Sept 2020 at 1.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To be perfectly honest I think people can see that already. I know I can. But as Iíve said time and time again. If people donít like it, they donít have to engage with it. If they chose to engage, they should expect a response, probably one they also wonít like.

If anyone decides to engage with an opposing opinion from their own then they would be naive to think the person they are talking to wonít respond to them. Because after all, why should some people have the right to express their views when other arent? Asking people to hear you, accept what your saying and change their view without any sort of discussion just goes to show yourself up.

Most threads on here are in no way one sided. Most of it has healthy debate, which does get a bit heated from time to time, but serves is purpose as a debate because both sides do tend to accept and acknowledge others points even if they donít agree with them. We all see things from a different perspective, long term, short term, impacts to certain things important to the individual, etc. Which is why opinions differ.

If you feel that anyone is ramming anything down anyoneís throat, take a step back and see why itís constant, is it because people are posting without being engaged with anyone else? Or is it that others are responding in debate and discussion but youíre only looking at the side you donít agree with even though itís two, three or even more sided debate occurring?

The sheer fact that people that have a different opinion to you can directly affect your life means that everyone has a right to say what they want about it.

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   Old Thread  #3919 14 Sept 2020 at 1.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When it came to the general election there was a choice between BJ who had spearheaded Brexit and oozes patriotism or boring JC and his lack of it, add the racist **** DA and it was impossible to vote for them!



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   Old Thread  #3918 14 Sept 2020 at 1.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct to a degree Bob.

When it came to the general election there was a choice between BJ who had spearheaded Brexit and oozes patriotism or boring JC and his lack of it, add the racist **** DA and it was impossible to vote for them!

Lib Demís are a complete non runner for me as their policies and manifesto were very poor.

I strongly believe if anyone other than the cons had to deal with CV it would have been exactly the same outcome with the exact same issues with PPE etc. Any party would have had to follow the guidance of scientists and advisors and I canít see how any government wouldnít have come to the same conclusions.



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   Old Thread  #3917 14 Sept 2020 at 12.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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From an earlier post:

I said as soon as they won the election that they would go down in history as the worst government this country has ever seen , looks like they are well on course !

Talk about beaten before you get in the ring

Left or right, the choice is yours. I try to sit in the middle

Its a left for me Matthew

There is NO WAY a right will ever be right
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   Old Thread  #3916 14 Sept 2020 at 12.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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they shouldnt say it
Of course they can say it but it's the way they go about it.
I can't tell people how to post, I just thought my other post may be useful to show how others see it and how it attracts comments and incites people occasionally who doesn't normally post.
If you don't think it's useful just carry on as you were, forget about it and let these type of threads continue as they are.
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   Old Thread  #3915 14 Sept 2020 at 11.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So what youíre saying is, is that if someoneís opinion is that itís the governments fault, they shouldnt say it And not post their opinions because people who donít think that might be upset?

As much as you say you donít want a discussion or ďtit for tatĒ as you describe, it would be nice if you did properly explain your stance on one way self-censorship on the forum.
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   Old Thread  #3914 14 Sept 2020 at 11.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Unless it's by constant PM, no one is ramming anything anywhere.

I don't agree with some of what Greekski says, and tend to skip his arguments with Scozza, but I'd rather read his sincerely held opinions than crap posted by a cretin to get a reaction. But I've got a choice as to whether I read any of it or none. It's not difficult.
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   Old Thread  #3913 14 Sept 2020 at 11.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree with all of that
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   Old Thread  #3912 14 Sept 2020 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I rarely read posts saying the government is doing amazing. Maybe BB but he hasn't been on here for a while. I don't believe Wayne is 100% pro he just does it to wind people up and he does it very well.
What I do read is the reaction to people who constantly ram their anti governments beliefs up others noses, it's incessant. The natural reaction is say something back and then they are mistakenly seen as pro government.

There are others but you seem to attract your fair share of people who rarely post on here but after reading what you and others say end up unable to contain themselves and end up with tit for tats. Which incidentally I'm not going to do here.
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   Old Thread  #3911 14 Sept 2020 at 11.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This Covid pandemic is far from over, and while the government are not responsible for everything bad that has happened so far, they deserve scrutiny and criticism for their many shortcomings.

Totally agree

Should that not be part of the final enquiry and conclusions, when we have worked our way through this? hopefully from an independent and unbiased source too!
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   Old Thread  #3910 14 Sept 2020 at 10.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or people just get on with things because they realise, there is **** all they can do about it
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   Old Thread  #3909 14 Sept 2020 at 10.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does it not go both ways. People refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings because they are so engrossed in their beliefs and harp on about how Fíing amazing the government is doing and they havenít done anything dodgy, poor, underhand, too slowly, that has resulted in deaths of thousands of people.
I suppose people that donít agree with that, that see enough of it feel compelled to speak up too.

People seem to treat politics like a football team, supporting their side in blind belief so doggedly regardless of how poorly they perform. People seem to forget than politicians work of us. They are public servants and if the do not perform well they should be investigated because itís perfectly acceptable to expect them to perform better at their jobs.

Can you imagine a manager employing someone they thought would do a good job, on a majority vote of the interview panel and that person performing poorly at their job, but the manager instead of sorting out the employee, just defends the choice no matter how bad they are, mostly on the basis that the other candidates would have done a worse job 😂

^^^ this is how politics and political support works for some reason, instead of how it should actually work.
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   Old Thread  #3908 14 Sept 2020 at 9.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes they deserve scrutiny and criticism of their shortcomings but on here some just go way OTT to further their political beliefs but what they don't realise is after a while it becomes counter productive.
Scozza may I take you as an example?
Scozza is not a Brexiter or a Boris fan but by the looks of it he's had so much anti rammed down his throat he feels compelled to speak up. Scozza if that is wrong I apologise and will retract it

Also you get people who must follow these pages until they can bear no more so they come on here have a rant and go back to being spectators. If people haven't noticed that it's because they are so engrossed in their beliefs they are far too busy being up their own arses to notice.






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   Old Thread  #3907 14 Sept 2020 at 9.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíd say anyone that gets conned is stupid tbh.
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