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 #947 5 Apr 2020 at 5.37pm | |   |
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You do know this is a fishing forum, do you ever post about fishing?
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#946 5 Apr 2020 at 5.15pm | | |
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I would not trust anything this government or it's chosen adviser's tell us , they have been proven , more or less on a daily basis to be lying .
mask's are vital , i have just taken a batch of my ffp 3 mask's 20 mins ago to a mate of mine who's wife is a nurse ! they have run out ! and are re using their mask's
If you are in a contaminated area and are not wearing a mask you are around 5 x more likely to catch it , that was from a South Korean doctor , among many other's who say the same !
Why are all the governments around the world falling out with each other and committing act's of piracy to obtain masks if they are not vital ,
YOU ARE BEING LIED TOO ! i can't believe people are still "lapping it up " !
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#945 5 Apr 2020 at 4.38pm | | |
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MY guess and it’s a guess, the NHS need masks and ppe because they are in close proximity to the infected. They are touching leaning over and breathing from the same area, and distancing is not an option. Social distancing is playing a part in slowing the spread down but as usual with everything the minority spoil it for everyone 😡
Anyway must head off to the park to sit in sun and cut toenails as it looks like a nice day 😀
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#944 5 Apr 2020 at 12.19pm | | |
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I can't believe the rubbish that has been being spouted about a mask will not protect us up until now in the UK. It's clearly more about low stocks being needed for the NHS, than the fact that masks offer no protection against the spread of the virus. How they can say on one hand that masks offer no protection... Yet on the other hand say that masks are essential for medical workers... Has made no sense since the very start. Every time they show South Korea on the news... Every single person out in public has a mask on. They have dealt with the virus better than anyone.
I've had an FFP3 mask on since the start when stepping outside, no exceptions. I wore one when travelling from Brazil to London via Paris in mid March. I'm shocked at the lack of masks being worn in the UK compared to other nations. No one at all is wearing them in reality. Most people including my friends seem to comment that a mask will do you no good. If this was true, every single paramedic/nurse/doctor worldwide would have the virus already, from dealing constantly with infected patients on a daily basis. PPE clearly has an effect on stopping you from contracting the virus. How could it not, when the respiratory virus is spread in droplet form from coughing, or touching your mouth/nose with the virus on your hands?
Before I left Brazil, my son who's a paramedic told me what masks I needed to buy for my flights back. I was clueless. A comment he made to me has stuck in my head ever since. The virus is actually far larger in size than most other viruses of a similar type. (I've seen this repeated on the news too regarding the size of the virus particles)... So a decent face mask should be very effective at stopping you from getting it, or spreading it. He's been dealing with Covid patients constantly everyday... I'd say the only thing that has stopped him & all of his workmates from contracting the virus is PPE, including high quality face masks.
I'd bet good money, that once the restrictions are lifted and we are allowed back out from lockdown... That face masks will be compulsory for everyone going out. I'd also bet that when all of this is over and we are back to normal... Everyone will have a stash of FFP3 face masks at home for any future outbreaks.
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#943 4 Apr 2020 at 7.39pm | | |
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chronic diseases aren't typically viral though. And yes viruses mutate & evolve all the time dependant on environment and availability of host, Chinese wet markets being a good example.
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#942 4 Apr 2020 at 7.34pm | | |
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Maybe that's because science and medicine has been concentrating on the acute diseases?
The increase in life expectancy in rich countries has been pretty constant.
Back to Covid19 news ... Masks (or face covering) have just been made compulsory when going out here in Italy. Mounting belief that everyone wearing masks might do something to help.
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#941 4 Apr 2020 at 7.11pm | | |
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In 2001 chronic diseases contributed to approx 60% of deaths worldwide, by the end of this year that’s expected to increase to 75%. According to the world health organisation.
New diseases pop up a lot, corona, sars, Ebola, hiv... I do wonder where they come from.
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#940 4 Apr 2020 at 6.48pm | | |
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Hi Jon,
Shucks, I think you're just saying that.
I'm not really that good.
So what about post 932? Did you not agree with that?
By the way, if carp actually can speak French, I would think it would only be those that live in France.
BB.
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#939 4 Apr 2020 at 6.12pm | | |
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In reply to Post #377
Wtf went wrong.
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#938 4 Apr 2020 at 6.10pm | | |
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Well I never ... A whole post from Beany that I agree with!
Spot-on BB!
Vaccines are cheap. Vaccines don't make much money for pharma companies, which is why so much research into them is funded by government or charity. One jab that protects for months at least, or life at most, compared with therapeutic drugs taken several times a day ... Which do you think makes most money?
Having a debate about the merits of vaccines gives anti vaxers a degree of credibility that they do not deserve. They put everyone else at risk by allowing diseases to return. It's like debating whether carp can speak French.
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#937 4 Apr 2020 at 5.54pm | | |
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At a guess I'd say it's more of a case that our ability to identify different diseases has improved through science rather than it being a case of there simply being more diseases. Of course if you are conspiracy minded it's good business for big pharma to 'discover' new diseases that need new medicines, vaccines etc.
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#936 4 Apr 2020 at 5.40pm | | |
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Hi Tony,
That's fair enough, I did ask and you gave a detailed explanation of your opinion.
However, I'm not sure that it's likely that diseases have massively increased in the last 100 years.
I'm not clued up on the history of medicine, but it seems that antibiotics have saved millions of lives since the discovery of penicillin, and vaccines have eliminated polio, cholera etc. at least in the west.
You mention plenty of research studies that question vaccines, but I would think they would pale in significance up against mainstream medical science and would think the evidence of the proven benefits of vaccines is overwhelming.
I understand that vaccines for viruses are difficult to prescribe, like the flu vaccine that I get every year, because that is a question of which strain of virus is the one to inoculate for. But having had proper flu twice as a young, fit man, I dread the prospect of getting now.
BB.
Edit. I can't do links either and neither do I have one of those thumbs.
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#934 4 Apr 2020 at 4.45pm | | |
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In reply to Post #932
Don't worry. You're ok so long as you don't Use his vaccine...
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#933 4 Apr 2020 at 4.43pm | | |
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Hi BB
Unfortunately I’m unable to do links. But basically, in 2011, an aids researcher wrote a paper in a journal called frontiers in microbiology saying that The most likely way these murine leukaemia virus related viruses, entered humans, was through vaccines.
They said that to make the vaccine less toxic/pathogenic they would pass them through the brains Of a mouse (?!), this led to the possibility of picking up a virus that was harmless to the mouse but could cause serious disease in humans.
This was just one study. There are plenty more. So there’s that plus the fact I don’t trust the “government “.
It’s my body and I’m not putting unknown substance in it thanks.
There’s been a massive increase in disease over the last 100 years, despite advancements in medicine. Coincidence? Maybe.
Anyway I don’t really care what others choose to do, that’s their choice, so I’m not going to preach. But you did ask 😂
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