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 #3960 15 Sept 2020 at 10.40pm | |   |
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In reply to Post #3958
Evening tinhead.
I did read your posts and was of a similar mind. It's been like standing back and watching a couple of year 9 kids at times which is why I've just kept out of it all.
In terms of your reply. I'm in agreement. Nobody has all the answers.
That is no excuse for mistakes that could have been avoided though. The response that 'Corbyn would have been just as bad' is just rubbish. He probably would have been but that doesn't address the actual question of the government who ARE making the mistakes. If you took your car to be fixed and they did a Crap job, you wouldn't accept 'well the garage down the road would have probably done it worse mate' as a valid response would you?
And as you know, this isn't me banging a labour drum as I would be equally critical of any government who made the same errors. And it's common knowledge I didn't vote for them either.
Some things have been the result of unforseen events but others are simply poor planning and management and it's right that we can call that into question as a populous.
Always happy to have a reasonable debate fella 
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#3959 15 Sept 2020 at 3.20pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3953
I am all for change if it is for the better but a bit of direction would be useful. No different to where we are now for me. Uncharted waters 
As long as it turns out good for our country and our people then so be it
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#3958 15 Sept 2020 at 3.13pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3956
Ok Mal you must of read my posts about these type of threads yesterday.
I don’t mind debating with you though because your responses are measured and polite
Just thought I’d give you an alternative point of view, the government has made mistakes and will continue to do so. It’s the nature of Covid and anyone who says they have all the answers are either liars or deluded.
@Noj
Ok mate but I’m not going any further with Brexit in a Covid thread
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#3957 15 Sept 2020 at 2.58pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3953
Yeah it was decision people needed to make, but the actual information regarding the choice wasn’t clear and impartial enough for my liking
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#3956 15 Sept 2020 at 2.57pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3955
Yes there are less hospital admissions which is the real positive
However; the focus shifted a while back to economic factors being the driver for decisions and it was obvious to anyone that the risk would increase once businesses and schools etc reopened. The result is that the attempt to kick start the economy could be scuppered because predictions didn't err on the side of being better prepared. I definitely wouldn't have called them reckless for that.
Better to take plenty of sunscreen in your suitcase than wait until you fall asleep in a sangria fuelled stupor and end up with sunburn.... (speaking from experience there!)
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#3955 15 Sept 2020 at 2.47pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3954
All to do with predictions and like most things Covid are just that predictions
If they thought cases were going to rise too high they wouldn’t have lifted so many of the restrictions in the first place. They must have thought the present capacity was sufficient to be able to get those people back to work.
If they had to increase testing capacity to do that then you’d say that the government was being reckless with the easing of restrictions if they thought the current system couldn't cope.
Not much of an increase in hospital admissions last time I looked, we’ve loads of capacity due to that prediction not being spot on.
Let's see what your prediction about further restrictions being needed turns out to be. I predict you will be right 
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#3954 15 Sept 2020 at 1.59pm | | |
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There have been a number of very obvious and clear factors that have increased the risk of the spread lately - businesses restarting, schools, colleges and universities starting, the eat out to help out scheme. ..
And it seems no moves to prepare for the increase in testing that would be needed to cope with this if evidence is to be believed.
That's just poor planning.
Knock on effects of kids having to be sent home to isolate - other kids in their bubbles having to do the same, parents and carers having to get tested and stay off work... it's all very messy right now and there's a lack of joined up thinking being displayed.
Cases are rising and projections have us looking to follow the patterns in France as an example - so expect more restrictions as a probable rather than a possible.
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#3953 15 Sept 2020 at 1.51pm | | |
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In reply to Post #3952
where the outcome could hamper generations Or could improve them.
Where would we be if no one ever took a chance or opportunity because something 'could' go wrong.
It 'could' be that things will get worse to begin with but turn out better in the end.
It 'could' be a disaster but the decision has been made now and only time will tell.
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#3952 15 Sept 2020 at 11.43am | | |
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In reply to Post #3949
Personally I don’t think the public were well enough informed to make a decision of that magnitude, where the outcome could hamper generations
Exactly that for me. A critical decision like that based around virtually nothing. Think i will stick
Sorry, conditioned a lot of the nation into thinking we would get rid of all these bloody immigrants pinching our jobs 
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#3951 15 Sept 2020 at 11.39am | | |
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In reply to Post #3948
Hopefully they get tests, seemingly there isn’t any left anywhere.
Cant get tests, not good
Businesses all over the country in limbo. do we shutdown or continue to run
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#3950 15 Sept 2020 at 9.22am | | |
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I voted labour. On the basis of long term benefit to the overall population. Especially around tax evasion by the rich. Funnily enough a lot of the ‘nonsense’ measures around taxes and finances are now being serious considered by Rishi to get us out of this economic crisis...whereas when it was a labour idea it would “only make it worse” 🤷🏻♂️ But that is the nature of propaganda isn’t it. A large part of my persuasion is based on the environment because I care about it, and I also work in the industry of improving and restoring it.
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#3949 15 Sept 2020 at 8.28am | | |
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In reply to Post #3940
Yes, people have every right to be pissed off if the government make mistakes.
So did you vote liberal? Who were prepared to ignore a democratic vote and cancel brexit altogether?
Or labour? Who couldn’t actually decide where they stood and wether ignoring the first referendum was a good idea or not .
That’s not a criticism of how you’ve voted, because it’s your vote to do with as you please.
I never mention brexit, because I didn’t vote and have no dog in the fight. Personally I don’t think the public were well enough informed to make a decision of that magnitude, where the outcome could hamper generations
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#3948 15 Sept 2020 at 8.17am | | |
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In reply to Post #3941
On another note. Couple sent home from my work yesterday with symptoms. Gone for tests. See what happens today. You can go out but must not exceed groups of 6. In the workplace apparently this does not matter?
Hopefully they get tests, seemingly there isn’t any left anywhere. NHS staff can’t even get hold of them. It’ll be a pain if they can’t as I’m assuming they’d have to tell everyone to isolate?
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#3947 15 Sept 2020 at 8.15am | | |
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In reply to Post #3946
Yeah, it’s weird how political allegiances works isn’t it. You’re brought up to support a party or it’s geographically charged. America is similar for it too.
Best thing is to have none and vote based on what you think is the best overall manifesto to benefit yourself and the country you will be living in. And if all else fails, vote Green Party because if everyone did that then at minimum the environment will be at the forefront of policies instead of an after thought.
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#3946 15 Sept 2020 at 7.46am | | |
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In reply to Post #3944
Fair point
How many people vote for one certain party because its bred into them, loads i bet!
To be fair there is only two in the reckoning and when the Liberals came close last time with i guess that was because most people were not happy with the "poplar two" and they were selling something a little different, which then ended up opening the door for the conservatives!!!
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