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   Old Thread  #992 6 Apr 2020 at 1.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Being self critical is a necessity for the people who make the big decisions on the way we tackle this deadly virus. It's something not many politicians are good at, so need to be held to account daily. Facts? Circumstancial evidence? The evidence of how we are doing is counted daily in coffins. There's your facts.
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   Old Thread  #991 6 Apr 2020 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi guys,

I would think we have, not only a right, but a duty to monitor, question and comment on the performance of the politicians we elect, but not make knee jerk, sweeping judgements presented as absolute fact, when based on, face value, circumstantial evidence, and coloured with a dash of political bias.
When you think about it, our society is one of the most regulated and monitored in the world, with all sorts of checks and balances and official watchdog organisations that oversee all our major industries and institutions. What other country would be likely to prosecute and jail an MP for fiddling their expenses?
We are lucky really, that our democracy is not institutionally corrupt like many other countries seem to be.
It's a feather in our cap that our English common law is the model that most civilised countries have based their own judiciary on. I suggest our politicians have a lot to live up to.
As Mal said, it's wise to try and see the bigger picture, because the more a subject is scrutinized, the more complex it usually presents itself to be.

Anyway, I suggest that the next member to make wild accusations on this thread be handcuffed to Tim Richardson for a day.

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   Old Thread  #990 6 Apr 2020 at 10.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No idea but 4G has been fine for years and is still very much the communication network.......
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   Old Thread  #989 6 Apr 2020 at 10.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The 5G thing all started back in 2000 when a physicist got his numbers wrong LINK
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   Old Thread  #988 6 Apr 2020 at 9.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't the NHS / ambulance services use 5G (and by default the masts) a way of communicating in emergencies?

Knocking them down or setting them on fire doesn't make much sense if that's the case...
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   Old Thread  #987 6 Apr 2020 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The Queen's address was well worded, especially THIS bit, she might as well have said 'no, not you ****s all sunbathing in the parks, you will have nothing to be proud of'
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   Old Thread  #986 6 Apr 2020 at 9.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #985 6 Apr 2020 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree with Mal.
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   Old Thread  #984 6 Apr 2020 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We should suck it up? Take it on the chin like good little serfs and not question our superiors

Absolutely not, everything should be questioned that comes from ANY government and ALL media outlets, as we can see at the minute though EVERYTHING is a conspiracy if it’s not in line with the **** coming out the TV......

Edit - Which bit is nonsense Jon.......
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   Old Thread  #983 6 Apr 2020 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Edit: not in reply to Wayne's nonsense

Politics is the decisions made by others that directly influence our lives.

Do you really think we shouldn’t question the poor, fallible souls whose decisions are quite literally a matter of life and death at the moment?

We should suck it up? Take it on the chin like good little serfs and not question our superiors?

These people put themselves up for these positions of responsibility, they are well paid, and they can draw upon a wealth of expertise in all fields. If they make mistakes, they should be questioned. Do you really think a bit of a shrug, roll of the eyes, and get on with it is an adequate response?

The Scottish CMO has resigned, quite rightly, because she made an unacceptable mistake, perhaps she should have claimed that criticizing past actions is pointless .. forget about it … let’s look to the future …
Making a significant mistake, getting called out over it, and resigning used to happen in Westminster too, but not any more, letting incompetent individuals continue to make mistakes, while people shrug and claim there’s no point crying over spilled milk.
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   Old Thread  #982 6 Apr 2020 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Oh and keep posting those highly plausible and equally provable conspiracy theories everybody.

If it stops just one person from taking it all seriously, and inspires them go out and do stupid 5hit, if it leads to just 1 more infection, or even one more death - it will all have been worth it!

Freedom of speech is far more important than any bigger picture we find ourselves in. Keep exercising those rights guys
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   Old Thread  #981 6 Apr 2020 at 8.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I see 5G masts are taking a hammering.......just to be safe of course.....

Ref politics - Keir starmer laying into the government is a ****ing joke from the new boy! perhaps he should worry about his own cock ups.......

In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the new Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."

TOSSER!!!
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   Old Thread  #980 6 Apr 2020 at 8.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"I still can’t believe China only had 3000 deaths"

It's been posted already that the general public in China have a far higher sense of obedience to their leaders and so lockdown meant lockdown.
Unfortunately to a lot of westerners, who thrive on dissent, disobedience and ingrained selfishness due to years of rampant commercialism, Lockdown just means "It's flu FFS, Free paid holiday - let's have a party, F%@& the guvmint"

Equally unfortunate is the successive British governments' track record in the honesty stakes so when they now cry "Wolf" everyone's natural reaction is "Really though?"


There's a lot to be learned from this episode on all sides.
I personally think the thing that will be remembered the most by everyone is how those around them behaved during the crisis, both individuals and companies.
Worth remembering I reckon...
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   Old Thread  #979 6 Apr 2020 at 8.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on brother jjn
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   Old Thread  #978 6 Apr 2020 at 8.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I’ve started to ignore all the news channels, they seem to all be saying exactly what they are told too, and repeat, repeat, repeat!


But nothing about this pandemic really spooked me until I saw that video done live by an American Doctor last night, he’s treating victims right now – as he’s told the truth!!!

The doctor is basically saying that what they were told to expect (Pneumonia type symptoms requiring a ventilator to aide breathing) is not what he and his colleagues are encountering in all cases!
What they are witnessing is the lungs losing the ability to absorb oxygen, he quoted he has treated many cases of Pneumonia and Covid-19 is nothing like it. Once someone is taken off the ventilator they turn blue in the face immediately due to the lack of oxygen.

But he has witnessed the symptoms before - on high mountains, when identical symptoms can develop due to the lack of oxygen in the air, after not acclimatising properly.

He was not being alarmist, he gave all information in technical terms and then in lay mans terms – and was obviously very, very worried.


I have stored in in Whatsapp, but have no idea how/if it can be shared via a post.
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