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   Old Thread  #1598 19 Apr 2020 at 6.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No disrespect guys Ė but what the hell has politics got to do with a worldwide pandemic?

Other than Chinaís Communist hierarchy, following Stalinís training manual on ones conduct if faced with a major incident ďDenial!Ē

Remember the last major incident prior to this one Ė Chernobyl, what was the Russian policy for five days ďDenial!Ē


The last estimate I saw was that 500,000 people few in and out of China, or crossed its borders back and forth in the two months prior to them even admitting there was a major pandemic, thereís absolutely diddly squat any government in history, or in any country for that matter Ė can do to combat a spread of possible infection on that massive a scale!
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   Old Thread  #1597 19 Apr 2020 at 5.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe you should read what has been all over the papers and media today ! then maybe update your answer !
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   Old Thread  #1596 19 Apr 2020 at 5.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hiya BB

I don't like it. I've said it's a personal thing and if people need to appropriate similar terms for a response then that's up to them. It's been used by too many racists for my liking.

Black lives matter is a different thing and in direct response to a long time underlying problem in American society and specific events that relate to it...

I've made a suggestion on another thread that if people have found a desire to make a stand against animal cruelty or human rights issues then they could take positive action by finding a suitable organisation and make donations. Perhaps the increase in awareness can be a positive by product of this crisis eh?

And defending trump by saying Obama was bad...? We've been here before. If Obama got it wrong too then it doesn't excuse trump still getting it wrong.


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   Old Thread  #1595 19 Apr 2020 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same in America, Italy and Spain spanker! Thatís tells you something! No ONE was prepared apart from China.....
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   Old Thread  #1594 19 Apr 2020 at 5.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mal,

Yes, I hear what you say, but you failed to point out that terms like that, are equally used by the far left, with ref to their identity politics with examples like, " Black lives matter ." " Our people are oppressed. "
I'm not sure that saying, " our people " in ref to the population of a country, should, automatically be given a negative connotation, as in say, " our people enjoy a more prosperous lifestyle than did their grandparents."
It really depends on the implication of the message in which it is used.
I don't see it as a PC issue, to beware of using commonplace phrases, because extremists will use them.
I think we can use common sense to see any negative connotation.

I read that " Voiceless " article and although I know little about world wide animal welfare, it struck me as questionable that the US would rank 49th out of 50 countries. One of their 3 criteria for animal cruelty was consumer consumption. Without animal consumption I would think half the world would starve. And what about fish? They're animals too, or at least living, breathing creatures. Don't they count?
My skepticism arose when she said that, for years, the US had been near the bottom of her index, yet she twice criticized Trump for it. Her article was written in July 2018, only 19 months after Trump was elected.
So Obama, president for 8 years, gets a free pass. Really?

BB.
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   Old Thread  #1593 19 Apr 2020 at 4.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Wayne and BB

you are trying to defend the indefensible , the whole world including the majority of our right wing press and media have started to hold them to account and the facts are there for all to see , the facts are very damning , to sum it up ,
Boris didn't have his eye on the ball he ignored good advice and went with the herd immunity then did a u turn ,by this time he was exposed in regards of lack of ppe , ventilators testing equipment etc , so they tried to manipulate the figures and deflect blame , We were warned that Boris is a lazy fu**er ,

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   Old Thread  #1592 19 Apr 2020 at 4.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís the responsibility of the management at any care home to provided the tools for the job, not you or me!

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   Old Thread  #1591 19 Apr 2020 at 4.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm deadly serious. It's a pandemic ffs, it has a massive mortality rate with the elderly and infirm. You may be happy for the Capt Tom's of this country to be ripped off for a £1000+ per week and as they're being carried out in coffins killed by COVID-19 blame the care home management. I'm not. It's OUR responsibility to make sure care home's and worker's are fully supplied with PPE and trained in it's use, so that these people can't get infected.
The reckoning can come later.
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   Old Thread  #1590 19 Apr 2020 at 4.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I checked out your link Mal and normally I'd say you can make stats say anything but in this case there are no stats.
Maybe I've missed it (I'm no going to spend all afternoon investigating) but I would have to like to have seen who the 50 countries are and what 'stats' are used to rank them.
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   Old Thread  #1589 19 Apr 2020 at 3.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hiya BB

It's as I said - phrases like that are too easily used in different contexts to push a divisive right wing agenda. But you know that and you know that when right wing organisations use the term 'our people' it's not the same as me saying 'my cat' etc.

It was late and I was probably being overcautious...

It's not really the important bit of what I posted anyway.

Interesting point about a nations treatment of animals related to ethics. I think the current knee jerk reaction to China is riding that wave - although far fewer people seemed bothered about it until recently. I've said before that we could look more closely at ourselves and other countries when it comes to animal welfare. The Voiceless Animals Cruelty Index is worth a look - although not great reading for the US who come next to bottom.

https://www.voiceless.org.au/content/us-ranked-second-worst-nation-world-new-animal-cruelty-index

As I've also said before - we could do a lot better too. The RSPCA has plenty of horrific examples.

Animal cruelty is horrible - it was before the Coronavirus crisis and unfortunately it will be afterwards too...





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   Old Thread  #1588 19 Apr 2020 at 2.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #1587 19 Apr 2020 at 2.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Guys,

Just a few observations.

Ken....I wouldn't call the Times right wing. I read it for years, and the reason I did was because I found it to be the least partisan and hyped with Dogma, at least in their editorial pages. They would give criticism or support to political issues without obvious bias. They often printed articles from journalists both left and right to present a balanced view.

Re the article you posted, Michael Gove was interviewed this morning and pointed out errors, like that, Prime minister's don't always chair Cobra meetings, nor do the military always attend anfd that the relevant cabinet minister, often chairs those under his remit. The point is, that the devil's in the detail and eventually, detailed, forensic reports will come which will give a more definitive analysis to apportion responsibility.

Re South Korea, they suffered from the last sars outbreak and so learned lessons and stockpiled huge quantities of kit and were ready for any new virus outbreak.
Germany, to their credit, immediately identified the value of testing and were fortunate to have about 100 Roche labs in situ, and instructed them to produce millions of test kits.

Re China, Not's 1384 post gave a damning opinion based on his own personal experience and re his reference to cruelty to animals, I read an opinion, that a good pointer to a country's ethics and humanity was to look at their treatment of animals, both wild and domestic. Well, pictures of Chinese wet markets with dogs hanging on meathooks and info that they boil them alive paints a bleak picture.
Given that China is an authoritarian regime, it seems naÔve to give their freedom of information, the same credibility as would be given to a western democracy, which is tough enough to evaluate.

Mal, it's interesting that you would give an apology for writing, " your own. " You mentioned it to me before, questioning my use of " my own. " I wonder why, innocently expressing possession, would give cause for a negative connotation?
Do you never say, my car, my children, my house, my wife, my syndicate, my mistake, my problem? So what's wrong, as I did, in saying my country? I could say, the country that I was born and live in, or the wife that I am married to, but that is unnecessarily cumbersome and means the same thing.

BB.

Edit. I forgot you Jon boy, mustn't ignore you eh?
Of all the pejoratives you use and could use, you pick lazy, re Johnson?
Given the effort politicians have to make to climb to the leadership of their party and campaign, successfully to become Prime minister, lazy would seem to be the least effective insult you could throw.

Marks.....3/10.
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   Old Thread  #1586 19 Apr 2020 at 2.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ocelot, you cannot be serious!!

The responsibility for care homes is down to the management company, not the government in anyway, shape or form!

After all this BJ will still be PM and now has the job of getting the country moving again, no easy feat but Iím sure there will be plenty saying Labour would be doing so much better......

@ Spanker - Bolton is now the CV hotspot you say. well hopefully it will clean up / sort the grooming gangs as labour never could and KS wouldnít dare for fear of losing voters in that neck of the woods!!
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   Old Thread  #1585 19 Apr 2020 at 2.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Care Home owners were happy to take the profits, not just a profit but cutting everything to the bone to really maximise profits, they should be supplying PPE and a safe working and living environment. As a short term infill the workers and residents should be supplied with PPE but bill the owners once this is under control for the full cost ie logistics, deliveries and the cost of PPE.

Itís the same as Branson laying people off and then asking for government support. Itís wrong on every level.

Canít wat for the government update and the inane stupid questions from the journalists, itís pathetic from both sides and if I see that slide showing how travel has reduced one more time I will probably loose it, what ****ing use is that slide and even shows all motor vehicle rising 😡

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   Old Thread  #1584 19 Apr 2020 at 1.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So ignore the chain of responsibility and jump straight to the top then ? The people in charge of the care home's are directly responsible ,
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